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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / Car Maintenance (UK group) / October 2007

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Diesel Engine Problems

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StuHorner - 24 Oct 2007 09:18 GMT
Does anyone have any ideas? (Sorry for the long post).

2.2 Turbo Diesel (DI) Electronic fuel pump.(Nissan Almera Tino 2002)

Is it the same engine in the 2.2 Diesel Primera and is the diagnostics OBDII
compliant.

Engine starts perfectly cold or warm.

Original problems occurred when running with engine cool until normal
running temperature acheived with temp gauge at halfway point.

Had changed oil to the tesco high grade 15w-40 previous to problem first
occuring.

The fault: Engine cool,increase throttle then at 1500 - 2000 rpm engine miss
fires and a cloud of white smoke thrown out of exhaust.

Once the engine is warm smooth running although occassionally a little
lumpy.

Once cruising along no problems at all.

Changed air filter, fuel filter and tested ECM and sensors (no fault code
indicated). All seems to be in order.

No oil loss or coolant loss.

Changed oil to a 10w-30 and although engine warmed quickly and the cool
running problem (coolant warmed more quickly) occurred for less time from
cold start.

The engine performed terrible when warm. Immediately took the 10w-30 oil out
(too thin).

Replaced with a 10w-40. Performs much better now.

Over the last week the ambient air temperature on a morning is much cooler
down to about 2 celcius.

The car is running much smoother and will even run when engine cool without
a problem.

Obviously something to do with cool air being denser,more air to fuel and
fuel being burned more efficiently.

The white smoke when fault occurs is more than likely unburned diesel is it
not?

Just one last thing to mention is that even when running well there is some
sort of a lag at just after 1500 rpm when applying throttle, but even this
was less noticable today when ambient air was cold.

Thanks for any suggestions.
Mrcheerful - 24 Oct 2007 09:49 GMT
> Does anyone have any ideas? (Sorry for the long post).
>
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> Thanks for any suggestions.

same engine, obd compliant.  10 -40 is correct for uk.  white smoke in your
case sounds like dirty injectors, how many miles?  that would also explain
the lag
Mike P - 24 Oct 2007 13:14 GMT
>> Does anyone have any ideas? (Sorry for the long post).
>>
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>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions.

Sounds like dirty injectors. Bung a bottle of injector cleaner in it, and
give it an italian tune up. That might solve the problem. I recently bought
a Xantia TD that was so sluggish I thought something was badly wrong with
it. A couple of bottles of injector cleaner later, and a damn good thrashing
and it's like a different car.

Mike P
StuHorner - 24 Oct 2007 14:07 GMT
> same engine, obd compliant.  10 -40 is correct for uk.  white smoke in
> your case sounds like dirty injectors, how many miles?  that would also
> explain the lag

Thanks Mrcheerful

Your correct 10-40 is the recommended grade. The car has done 95000 Miles.
The car runs well when engine cold if revs kept below 1500rpm. Just above
this the problem comes in. The car is on its second bottle of diesel
treatment. The white smoke is not present on cold start up. It is just one
large cloud  for a second or two when the engine apppears to misfire. Drop
revs below 1500rpm and the engine runs clean again.

StuH
Mrcheerful - 24 Oct 2007 15:21 GMT
>> same engine, obd compliant.  10 -40 is correct for uk.  white smoke in
>> your case sounds like dirty injectors, how many miles?  that would also
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> StuH

at 95 k it is probably due for a set of injectors.
dirty injectors lead to the equivalent of a weak run situation which ends
with unburnt diesel being thrown out as white 'smoke'.
moray - 24 Oct 2007 16:23 GMT
>>> same engine, obd compliant.  10 -40 is correct for uk.  white smoke in
>>> your case sounds like dirty injectors, how many miles?  that would also
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> dirty injectors lead to the equivalent of a weak run situation which ends
> with unburnt diesel being thrown out as white 'smoke'.

Sounds like injector problems
1500rpm is the point at which diesel injection systems of that era go from
two stage injection, to single stage injection (ie. the pre-injection gets
turned off).

It is most likely only one injector causing the problems.
But whether you just sort the one injector, or all of them, is up to you and
how much money you want to spend on it.
StuHorner - 24 Oct 2007 17:11 GMT
Thanks Moray

> Sounds like injector problems
> 1500rpm is the point at which diesel injection systems of that era go from
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> But whether you just sort the one injector, or all of them, is up to you
> and how much money you want to spend on it.

This sounds very feasible.

Would this then be worse in a colder engine?

Is it also possible that when the engine is running at above 2200rpm
(approx) there would be no sign of this problem?

All information is gratefully received.

Best regards StuH
moray - 24 Oct 2007 17:31 GMT
> Thanks Moray
>
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> Is it also possible that when the engine is running at above 2200rpm
> (approx) there would be no sign of this problem?

Injector issues are more noticeable when cold.

It's quite feasible for injector problems to only appear within certain rev
ranges.

Best option is to take the injectors out, and get them tested by a diesel
specialist.
 
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