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Arfa Daily - 29 Jul 2009 00:52 GMT
1.8 Focus Estate on an X plate. 98k miles.

If I try to lock it with the magic key, sounds like all doors lock, then a
half second later, they all unlock again. Same if I try to lock it manually
from outside on the driver's door. Same if I try to lock it from inside
using the "LOCK" rocker in the handle. However, if I lock it from inside
using the rocker on the passenger door, it stays locked. Likewise, if I
manually lock it from outside on the passenger door, it locks, and the alarm
sets, as denoted by the indicators flashing twice.

I'm initially thinking that the "I'm locked" microswitch on one of the door
locking mechs is not operating for some mechanical reason, or has suffered a
contact failure, but then, it occurs to me that if this was the case, it
wouldn't lock properly from the passenger door either - unless perhaps the
fault is actually *in* the passenger door ... ?

Any thoughts anyone ? Am I on the right track with my thinking, or
completely off ? If anyone agrees that it's a problem with one of the
internal door mechs, any simple way to determine which one ?

Not desperate to get a quick fix, as it's only me that drives it, and I at
least know that it can be made secure by locking from the passenger door,
but obviously, would like to get it sorted in a reasonable time, so that I
can use the magic key again, which is a much more convenient way of locking
and setting the alarm.

TIA

Arfa
Blah - 29 Jul 2009 01:28 GMT
> 1.8 Focus Estate on an X plate. 98k miles.
>
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> Arfa

Interior light switch button on drivers door?

I know nothing of your Focus, but my Laguna has exactly the same
symptoms as the above when the drivers door is open - my fob on spare
keys is buggered so only way to lock car is close drivers door, run
round and open pass door, press lock button, close pass door.

If you have drivers door open and press lock internally, they lock and
reopen - some sort of 'don't lock keys in car thing I guess'
Chris Whelan - 29 Jul 2009 08:15 GMT
> 1.8 Focus Estate on an X plate. 98k miles.
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> Arfa

Your diagnosis sounds spot on.

Note that the Focus doesn't have an alarm as standard, just an
immobiliser.

Chris

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Arfa Daily - 29 Jul 2009 09:03 GMT
>> 1.8 Focus Estate on an X plate. 98k miles.
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> Chris

Thanks both. Interesting that the Laguna seems to do exactly the same. OK
also on the alarm. It's a Ghia model - don't know if that makes a
difference. I must admit that I don't think that I've ever had an alarm go
off on it, but neither have I ever checked in its book of words as to
whether it's got one !  I just assumed that because locking was a two stage
process, and you got the pretty flashing of the lights at the second stage,
that this was an alarm setting itself. Learn something every day, as they
say   :-)    Cheers for the tip anyway.  As far as the locking problem goes,
how about this ? What if the problem is in the passenger door, and something
is causing the central locking not to fully throw the lock, but when you do
it manually from the outside, it does. Although thinking about it as I type,
that doesn't work either, because the "LOCK" rocker on the passenger side
successfully locks it, and that works on the central locking ...

Hmmmm. Maybe time to get out the meter, and start tearing off door panels.
Anyone know if you can get at the locks on this motor, or are they sealed up
in thief-proof rivetted-together pods, like they are in my daughter's Street
Ka ?

Arfa

Arfa
Chris Whelan - 29 Jul 2009 09:32 GMT
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> OK also on the alarm. It's a Ghia model - don't know if that makes a
> difference.

Nope. Ford, along with most other manufacturers, decided some time ago
that no-one took any notice of car alarms.

> I must admit that I don't think that I've ever had an alarm
> go off on it, but neither have I ever checked in its book of words as to
> whether it's got one !  I just assumed that because locking was a two
> stage process, and you got the pretty flashing of the lights at the
> second stage, that this was an alarm setting itself. Learn something
> every day, as they say   :-)    Cheers for the tip anyway.

The indicators flash at the second pressing of the lock button to warn
that the car is deadlocked. (Obviously it's inadvisable to activate the
deadlock if anyone remains in the vehicle on safety grounds.)

Chris

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David Hearn - 29 Jul 2009 11:11 GMT
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> Nope. Ford, along with most other manufacturers, decided some time ago
> that no-one took any notice of car alarms.

My 55 plate Mk2 Focus (Zetec Climate trim) has a basic alarm, enabled
when deadlocked (I think!).

It's real pain when you want to check the oil/water, and pop the boot
for the alarm to go off because you forgot to unlock it first!

It's only a basic one, triggered by opening a door, boot or bonnet I
believe.

D
Chris Whelan - 29 Jul 2009 12:59 GMT
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Yebbut the OP's car is a Mk1 - quite a different beast.

I think an alarm was an option however.

Chris

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Gordon H - 29 Jul 2009 14:14 GMT
>The indicators flash at the second pressing of the lock button to warn
>that the car is deadlocked. (Obviously it's inadvisable to activate the
>deadlock if anyone remains in the vehicle on safety grounds.)
>Chris

I did that once, in order that my lady friend didn't have to watch for
anyone nicking from the boot while I was away for a few minutes.

It wouldn't have stopped her unlocking the car from the inside, but it
was embarrassing for her, because the alarm went off triggered by the
interior movement detector.

The grief I got afterwards stopped me doing it again.     ;-)
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Mrcheerful - 29 Jul 2009 09:30 GMT
> 1.8 Focus Estate on an X plate. 98k miles.
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> Arfa

It may be that one of the lock mechanisms is a little stiff internally and
does not quite finish its throw and complete all its movements. The
passenger one sounds the most likely.
Arfa Daily - 29 Jul 2009 10:58 GMT
>> 1.8 Focus Estate on an X plate. 98k miles.
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> does not quite finish its throw and complete all its movements. The
> passenger one sounds the most likely.

OK. Update. I now know what's causing it, just not exactly *what's* causing
it - if you see what I mean ...  :-)

After locking it successfully last night by using the key in the passenger
door, I just went out in it this morning, and unlocked it as normal with the
magic key. I then tried relocking with the magic key, and Lo ! it worked ok.
Unlocked again and got in, and noticed that the "LOCK" rocker on the
passenger door, was still engaged. Using the magic key, I locked and
unlocked a few times, and the rocker doesn't move. If you manually disengage
it, then you are back to the original situation, and the rocker doesn't move
to engage the lock condition when you use the magic key, or use it manually
in the driver's door lock.

So, it would seem that it is to do with how the internal rocker is linked to
the external lock, and the central locking mech. Manually from inside, the
rocker can obviously be thrown. Outside by using the key in the lock, the
rocker can be thrown. But the central locking mech, is not throwing the
rocker in or out. Clearly the "I'm locked" switch is part of the rocker, and
is, in itself working.

Arfa
Dave Plowman (News) - 29 Jul 2009 09:54 GMT
> 1.8 Focus Estate on an X plate. 98k miles.

> If I try to lock it with the magic key, sounds like all doors lock, then
> a half second later, they all unlock again. Same if I try to lock it
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> Likewise, if I manually lock it from outside on the passenger door, it
> locks, and the alarm sets, as denoted by the indicators flashing twice.

Had the same on a '92 BMW with an aftermarket remote. Never did find the
cause as I sold it shortly afterwards. ;-)

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MattF - 29 Jul 2009 14:15 GMT
> 1.8 Focus Estate on an X plate. 98k miles.
>
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> Arfa

Our Mk1 Focus has a weird central locking fault, you can be driving along
and you can hear the locks engaging every now and again without user
interaction. I think a broken switch is the answer.

Mattf
Mrcheerful - 29 Jul 2009 16:27 GMT
>> 1.8 Focus Estate on an X plate. 98k miles.
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> Mattf

that is common on those, seems to be worse when it is wet.
Davey - 29 Jul 2009 18:25 GMT
> 1.8 Focus Estate on an X plate. 98k miles.
>
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> either - unless perhaps the fault is actually *in* the passenger door
> ... ?

Door lock mechanism is knackered on one of the doors.

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=4&t=75751

Common as muck on Mk1 Foci.
 
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