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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / Car Maintenance (UK group) / November 2009Dent repair advice
Our car suffered a bit of a dent thanks to clipping a handrail at a supermarket car park (the sort which enclose the trolley bays), and I would appreciate some advice about how to go about getting it fixed. Pictures of the damage can be found here: http://www.swampie.ukfsn.org/dent/IMG_3671.jpg http://www.swampie.ukfsn.org/dent/IMG_3672.jpg http://www.swampie.ukfsn.org/dent/IMG_3673.jpg http://www.swampie.ukfsn.org/dent/IMG_3679.jpg http://www.swampie.ukfsn.org/dent/IMG_3688.jpg I approached someone who does mobile paint repairs and paintless dent repair (PDR) and he didn't think it would be suitable for normal PDR techniques due to proximity to headlamp (apparently they need something strong to level off), suggesting that welding studs on would be necessary - which presumably requires taking back to bare metal. He can arrange this work if I want to go ahead with it. Does this sound realistic, and if so, what's the best place to get this sort of work done, and the sorts of prices associated with this? The normal mobile paint repair sounds great if metal is not exposed, but if it is, are they still really suitable - or are other paint methods better? I don't want it rusting through in the future for example. Many thanks David David Hearn wrote on 27/10/2009 : > I approached someone who does mobile paint repairs and paintless dent repair > (PDR) and he didn't think it would be suitable for normal PDR techniques due > to proximity to headlamp (apparently they need something strong to level > off), suggesting that welding studs on would be necessary - which presumably > requires taking back to bare metal. He can arrange this work if I want to go > ahead with it. The paint is badly damaged so the PDR cannot be used. PDR only works where there is just a dent, which can be pushed back out.  SignatureRegards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk > I approached someone who does mobile paint repairs and paintless dent > repair (PDR) and he didn't think it would be suitable for normal PDR > techniques due to proximity to headlamp Bollocks. More like that its a proper repair and he knows mobile PDR bods are nothing but bodge and wag over merchants. > Does this sound realistic, and if so, what's the best place to get this > sort of work done, and the sorts of prices associated with this? The > normal mobile paint repair sounds great if metal is not exposed, but if > it is, are they still really suitable - or are other paint methods > better? I don't want it rusting through in the future for example. Take it to a proper bodyshop. Its not an expensive repair. I'd be surprised if there weren't change out of £150. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally. >> I approached someone who does mobile paint repairs and paintless dent >> repair (PDR) and he didn't think it would be suitable for normal PDR >> techniques due to proximity to headlamp > > Bollocks. More like that its a proper repair and he knows mobile PDR > bods are nothing but bodge and wag over merchants. Double bollocks. I got a PDR bloke to repair little dents all over a Renault Espace last year and watched the bloke do it. He got every single dent out without using filler, paint or any other 'bodge', the bloke was supremely good at it, and it worked out over £700 less than the cheapest quote I'd had to get the dents out from a 'proper' bodyshop (the car had pearlescent paint) it was worth a go. He did it in one morning and the only tell-tale that he'd been near the car was a little rubber grommet in the D post / rear 1/4 where he had to drill a hole to get his dent removal gubbin in to an area that was otherwise inaccessible. The only thing the bloke did that could almost be called a bodge was to give the car a full polish with colour magic once he'd finished. SignaturePete M - OMF#9 '62 Rover P4 100 '61 Rover P5 3 litre '78 Escort 1300 Sport '99 Audi A6 V6 Quattro Avant "It's an Alfa, it will go wrong, it will piss you off, why should your Alfa experience be different from everyone else's. Now get back out there and swear at it before something else breaks." It happens that Pete M formulated : > Double bollocks. I got a PDR bloke to repair little dents all over a Renault > Espace last year and watched the bloke do it. He got every single dent out [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > he had to drill a hole to get his dent removal gubbin in to an area that was > otherwise inaccessible. Fine for dents, but this is a dent and paint scraped off. SignatureRegards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk > It happens that Pete M formulated : >> Double bollocks. I got a PDR bloke to repair little dents all over a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Fine for dents, but this is a dent and paint scraped off. As alawys it's horses for courses. However you shrink that out/fill it you're going to have to paint it afterwards though. SignatureDuncan Wood Harry Bloomfield <harry.m1byt@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> Double bollocks. I got a PDR bloke to repair little dents all over a >> Renault Espace last year and watched the bloke do it. He got every >> single dent out without using filler, paint or any other 'bodge' > Fine for dents, but this is a dent and paint scraped off. Which does kinda suggest that PDR is not the right route. Remind me what PDR stands for? The reason the PDR techniques don't work where the paint's broken is nothing to do with whether they can/will paint or not - but everything to do with how the metal's bent. A bend that cracks or removes paint has stretched or creased or both the metal. The PDR techniques can't address that. > Double bollocks. I got a PDR bloke to repair little dents all over a > Renault Espace last year and watched the bloke do it. He got every > single dent out without using filler, paint or any other 'bodge' Not hard for simple ones but this is a proper one requiring proper panelbeating skills, not just the ability to manipulate a panel with a stick and a bit of freeze spray. > the only tell-tale that he'd been near the car was a little > rubber grommet in the D post / rear 1/4 where he had to drill a hole to > get his dent removal gubbin in to an area that was otherwise inaccessible. There should've been no sign at all that he'd been there if it was repaired properly. I'd certainly be very f.cking pissed off at a grommet in the D pillar. > The only thing the bloke did that could almost be called a bodge was to > give the car a full polish with colour magic once he'd finished. Well a grommet filling a potential rot hole isn't something you'd come out of a proper bodyshop with. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally. Conor <conor@gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> the only tell-tale that he'd been near the car was a little rubber >> grommet in the D post / rear 1/4 where he had to drill a hole to get >> his dent removal gubbin in to an area that was otherwise inaccessible. > There should've been no sign at all that he'd been there if it was > repaired properly. I'd certainly be very f.cking pissed off at a grommet > in the D pillar. >> The only thing the bloke did that could almost be called a bodge was to >> give the car a full polish with colour magic once he'd finished. > Well a grommet filling a potential rot hole isn't something you'd come > out of a proper bodyshop with. If the grommet was required, then it's because there's some kind of double-skinned area with no straightforward access. I'd suggest that any bodyshop would find it difficult to get behind there to gain access without either drilling holes or major surgery. If paint was required, then the usual solution would probably be a dent-puller attached via either a hole drilled into the skin or something welded temporarily onto it. Either's going to require a skim of filler to make the surface good before paint - and either's going to leave the cavity protection breached, unless wax is later injected. Via something like... a hole plugged with a grommet... > Conor <conor@gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > breached, unless wax is later injected. Via something like... a hole > plugged with a grommet... Precisely. A grommeted 4ish mm hole (which he did put a bit of rust proofy stuff on) to get to a double skinned area is no worse than the holes rustproofing companies used to drill to get their spray nozzles in with. Not obvious either as invisible with the door shut and in a position which doesn't tend to even get dirty. Are you telling me you'd rather spend £700 odd than £120 getting your car fixed to avoid a grommet? If so, I suspect psychiatric help maybe needed ;-) SignaturePete M - OMF#9 '62 Rover P4 100 '61 Rover P5 3 litre '78 Escort 1300 Sport '99 Audi A6 V6 Quattro Avant "It's an Alfa, it will go wrong, it will piss you off, why should your Alfa experience be different from everyone else's. Now get back out there and swear at it before something else breaks." > Precisely. A grommeted 4ish mm hole (which he did put a bit of rust > proofy stuff on) He didn't even paint it? OMG. Give it a few years and it'll be a nice blister. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally. 'Pete M[_4_ Wrote: > ;469265']Adrian wrote:- > Conor conor@gmx.co.uk gurgled happily, sounding much like they were [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > car fixed to avoid a grommet? If so, I suspect psychiatric help maybe > needed ;-) hi...I think you should take it to a proper bodyshop. Its not a expensive repair. I'd be surprised if there weren't change out of £150 -- Floydford > 'Pete M[_4_ Wrote: >> Are you telling me you'd rather spend £700 odd than £120 getting your >> >> car fixed to avoid a grommet? If so, I suspect psychiatric help maybe >> needed ;-) > hi...I think you should take it to a proper bodyshop. Its not an > expensive repair. I'd be surprised if there weren't change out of £150. Um, I'm not sure your post was aimed at me, but I suspect it may have been. Hard to tell. Anyway, the car I'm talking about (the one I had completely sorted for £120) had dents on pretty much every panel which the paintless dent bloke sorted. I'm in the motor trade and quotes from the bodyshops I normally use weren't cheap as the car in question has pearlescent paint. In the region of £400 just to sort the dents on two of the doors and repaint them, as that would have left another five or six panels to sort it was going to get scarily expensive. However, if you know a bodyshop that'll repair and completely repaint a pearly painted Renault Espace to 'as new' standard for under £150 *PLEASE* give me their number, I have two Rovers an Audi and an Escort that could do with some paintwork and I'll be more than happy to pay £150 each to get them painted ;-) As it is, I think I did rather well. SignaturePete M - OMF#9 '62 Rover P4 100 '61 Rover P5 3 litre '78 Escort 1300 Sport '99 Audi A6 V6 Quattro Avant "It's an Alfa, it will go wrong, it will piss you off, why should your Alfa experience be different from everyone else's. Now get back out there and swear at it before something else breaks." Hi, We are a taxi company Hummingbird Cars in London. We provide Airpor Transfer service from all london airports. We are in need of having ou cars Maintained and serviced regularly . Can anyone please advice u where we can buy best and Cheap Car servicing garage . 'London Airport Taxi Cab Transfer Service : Your Official Londo Airport Minicab Car Transfer Service: Airport Cab | Airport Taxi Heathrow, Gatwick, BAA Stansted, London City, Luton (http://www.hummingbirdcars.com) Thank you to -- tom240 > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Airport Minicab Car Transfer Service: Airport Cab | Airport Taxi - > Heathrow, Gatwick, BAA Stansted, London City, Luton' > Thank you > > tom Yes, and that wasn't a cunning peice of spam...4/10 you can repair very small dents with just a soft hammer.if you aim fo the center of the dent, it will reduce the chance of protrusion sticking outward from the hammer -- finalecrom > you can repair very small dents with just a soft hammer.if you aim for > the center of the dent, it will reduce the chance of protrusions > sticking outward from the hammer. Ah yes. I remember that episode of Father Ted... David. |
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