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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / Car Maintenance (UK group) / November 2009

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FAIL CO2 EMISSIONS TEST

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BEVERLY LEAMAN - 06 Nov 2009 20:04 GMT
Hi as a lady driver with little knowledge of cars I hope someone can help. I
Have a fiat brava 1.2 Treg. Last year it failed MOT on emissions and i paid
alot of money for a new CAT converter, today the car has failed again on
Emissions as follows Fast idle CO 0.468(fail) Lambda 1.049 (fail) all other
on fast idle pass. Second Fast idle CO 0.555 Lambda 1.040 all other pass.
Nautral Idel CO 0.568 Fail. It also says above the tests Engine oil
temperature measurement was by-passed.(cooling fan cut in)surely i dont have
to replace the CAT Converter again. Is there anything else that could cause
this? also i had notice a few things this last few weeks im using quite a
bit more petrol and had first put this down to the rise in cost also
sometimes the car spluters alittle sometime a bit like if you were going to
run out of fuel, i have had the car for around 18months and i have not had
the filter changed or plugs but not sure if this makes a difference to to
Emissions (lady drivers!!) can anyone help me please
thanks
Bev

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Pete M - 06 Nov 2009 20:12 GMT
> Hi as a lady driver with little knowledge of cars I hope someone can help. I
> Have a fiat brava 1.2 Treg. Last year it failed MOT on emissions and i paid
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Lambda sensor would be my suggestion. It was probably that that killed
the cat....

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Angus - 10 Nov 2009 19:56 GMT
> > Hi as a lady driver with little knowledge of cars I hope someone can help. I
> > Have a fiat brava 1.2 Treg. Last year it failed MOT on emissions and i paid
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> Lambda sensor would be my suggestion. It was probably that that killed
> the cat....

and all these years I thought it was curiousity.   ;)
Mrcheerful - 06 Nov 2009 20:50 GMT
> Hi as a lady driver with little knowledge of cars I hope someone can
> help. I Have a fiat brava 1.2 Treg. Last year it failed MOT on
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How often do you have the car serviced?  It is entirely possible that you
have another failed cat.  Poor running can wreck a cat in a very short time.
First step will be to have the car properly serviced, part of which will be
to check the emissions and correct whatever is needed.
BEVERLY LEAMAN - 06 Nov 2009 22:45 GMT
sorry dont understand about the alfa its a brava see told you im a woman and
know nothing, yes you are right about things going they blinkin cost a
fortune, first fiat i ever had but will not have another
bev

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Rob Graham - 06 Nov 2009 22:49 GMT
> sorry dont understand about the alfa its a brava see told you im a woman and
> know nothing, yes you are right about things going they blinkin cost a
> fortune, first fiat i ever had but will not have another
> bev
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I think you might be being unfair to Fiats. Whatever car you have you're
likely to have these problems if you don't have it serviced. I know
these things cost money but they are part of running a car. You wouldn't
 avoid filling it with petrol if it was low would you, in order to save
money? Servicing is much the same.

Rob Graham
BEVERLY LEAMAN - 06 Nov 2009 22:56 GMT
hi if the credit crunch had not been here theni would have had it serviced but due to lack of funds( after purchasing a fiesta that it got ripped off with and lost  £500 on it in just 3 weeks) i didnt get it done ive had the car around 18months but it hadnt long been serviced when i had it and new stuff on it. Hope it isnt the Cat dont have another £200 to replace it this year ive been told that a small amount of welding had to be done on back quarter to, plus advisory note of break pipes discs pads and shockers so not got the cash when there ready which obviousely isnt going to be long,in 12months ive spent around £340 without this MOT i only bought the car for £600. Just seems fiat cost alot for repairs like when the exhaust came off at the back had to have a complete one well over £100 i could cry, when your a working single mum and trying to spred the cost of every penny, that was why i wanted others advice dont want to get ripped off if it could be something else that wasnt going to cost to much

bev

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Mrcheerful - 06 Nov 2009 23:20 GMT
> hi if the credit crunch had not been here theni would have had it
> serviced but due to lack of funds( after purchasing a fiesta that it
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I am sorry to say that you do not appear to have enough spare cash to run a
cheap car.  Before buying a car you should do a proper count up of how much
it will really cost to run, how much it will save you and ultimately whether
it is any actual benefit to you.

A realistic running figure for a cheap car is
fuel+insurance+roadtax+mot+servicing+unknown.
which for someone using a small car for 6000 miles a year would equal about
750+500+150+50+500+500, plus the vehicle initial cost or depreciation, which
you might average out at 500 a year so nearly 3000 or 60 quid a week and
that is just for a small cheap car.  For many people a couple of taxis a
week or hire  a car when needed is a better idea.

As to whether your fault is a cheap one or not is impossible to say.  Many
garages invent failures, especially where single women are involved.
Another garage may test in a slightly different way and pass the same car
with no repairs at all.  Perhaps it just needed a good fast run to clear it
out and warm it up properly.  But of course, not servicing it, is not a good
idea, and every secondhand car has 'just had a full service' before it is
sold (yeah, right!)

A small elderly italian is not an especially cheap car to keep on the road.
go for something small and japanese and newer if possible.
 
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