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To cut a long story short, it's been two years since I bought the C9-3 and I've enjoyed it. But Charlie has never liked it. I persuaded her to give the car two years to see if she could tolerate it but... nope she doesn't. Of all the things to argue about the car isn't going to be one of 'em. Went out today to look at Focus and Mondeos but ended up buying another Saab... and it's the low blow turbo petrol. Not the TiD. Pick it up Tuesday...  SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > To cut a long story short, it's been two years since I bought the C9-3 and > I've enjoyed it. But Charlie has never liked it. I persuaded her to give [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pick it up Tuesday... I think you'll regret not buying an MX-5. SignatureDouglas >> To cut a long story short, it's been two years since I bought the C9-3 >> and I've enjoyed it. But Charlie has never liked it. I persuaded her to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I think you'll regret not buying an MX-5. We need the rear seats. ;-) And anyway it's all about the cup holders: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1IHgodwjTK4 SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > >> To cut a long story short, it's been two years since I bought the C9-3 > >> and I've enjoyed it. But Charlie has never liked it. I persuaded her to [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1IHgodwjTK4 9-3 or 9-5? SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com >> >> To cut a long story short, it's been two years since I bought the C9-3 >> >> and I've enjoyed it. But Charlie has never liked it. I persuaded her [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> > 9-3 or 9-5? Without wishing to sound all badge / image / status / carbon footprint / tree-hugging aware, it's... 9-3 SS 1.8t. Which is really a derivative of the Ecotec 2.0 engine with a very small turbocharger. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >>> >> To cut a long story short, it's been two years since I bought the >>> >> C9-3 [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > tree-hugging aware, it's... 9-3 SS 1.8t. Which is really a derivative of > the Ecotec 2.0 engine with a very small turbocharger. ...which before somebody else chips in, sits in a short wheelbase Vectra... :-) SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > >> >> To cut a long story short, it's been two years since I bought the C9-3 > >> >> and I've enjoyed it. But Charlie has never liked it. I persuaded her [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > tree-hugging aware, it's... 9-3 SS 1.8t. Which is really a derivative of > the Ecotec 2.0 engine with a very small turbocharger. Go look at Elkparts. Tuneup in a box. http://www.elkparts.com/index.php/cPath/76_160_838 And you can undo it at the push of a button. SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com >> >> >> To cut a long story short, it's been two years since I bought the >> >> >> C9-3 [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > And you can undo it at the push of a button. Not yet. C'mon the last one managed almost a week before being chipped. This one, I'm wanting to leave it a little bit longer. So, maybe a fortnight. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >>> >> >> To cut a long story short, it's been two years since I bought the >>> >> >> C9-3 [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > So, maybe a fortnight. Why would you need to? 150bhp 1.8T is enough for a devestatingly effective cross country barge. And apparently some quite incredible 0-60 times... SignatureDan Clio R27 F1 #65 >>>> >> >> To cut a long story short, it's been two years since I bought the >>>> >> >> C9-3 [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > effective cross country barge. And apparently some quite incredible 0-60 > times... Oh a very good point. I didn't think of it that way... SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > Why would you need to? 150bhp 1.8T is enough for a devestatingly > effective cross country barge. And apparently some quite incredible > 0-60 times... Need is irrelevant, otherwise your clio would be a 1.6d... >> Why would you need to? 150bhp 1.8T is enough for a devestatingly >> effective cross country barge. And apparently some quite incredible >> 0-60 times... > > Need is irrelevant, otherwise your clio would be a 1.6d... 1.5 dCi, 68, 85 or 105 PS? SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >> Why would you need to? 150bhp 1.8T is enough for a devestatingly >> effective cross country barge. And apparently some quite incredible >> 0-60 times... > > Need is irrelevant, otherwise your clio would be a 1.6d... Epic whoosh. SignatureDan Clio R27 F1 #65 > I think you'll regret not buying an MX-5. He'll regret not getting an E class more. >> I think you'll regret not buying an MX-5. > > He'll regret not getting an E class more. He should've bought a 197. SignatureDan Clio R27 F1 #65 >>> I think you'll regret not buying an MX-5. >> >> He'll regret not getting an E class more. > > He should've bought a 197. Too powerful for me... SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >>>> I think you'll regret not buying an MX-5. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Too powerful for me... I has Cruise :-) Although 70mph is about 3,500rpm... SignatureDan Clio R27 F1 #65 > I has Cruise :-) Although 70mph is about 3,500rpm... Bit like my Capper... SignatureConor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams "DanB" <iridiumdan@googlemail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > I has Cruise :-) Although 70mph is about 3,500rpm... ...and there's me, thinking the Saab feels a bit low-geared at "only" 85mph from 3,000rpm... > "DanB" <iridiumdan@googlemail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ...and there's me, thinking the Saab feels a bit low-geared at "only" > 85mph from 3,000rpm... Aye, it is a bit revvy hehe. Although the exhaust seems to be tuned to minimise the sound between sort of 70 and 90. Does make a great sound when you're thraping it though thanks to the fancy manifold etc. SignatureDan Clio R27 F1 #65 > ...and there's me, thinking the Saab feels a bit low-geared at "only" > 85mph from 3,000rpm... Because my Aero appears to have been fitted with an injection box (less wear when removed) when the gearbox gave up, it does 70 at 3k rpm. This would explain why it can accelerate like a chimp up a tree without the turbo kick in the kidneys and occasionally hit fuel cut in all gears while standard. And why it drinks a little more but is better than the Celsior. SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com >>>>> I think you'll regret not buying an MX-5. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Too powerful for me... > I has Cruise :-) Although 70mph is about 3,500rpm... The 197 having cruise is conceptually wrong, really. :-) SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >>>>>> I think you'll regret not buying an MX-5. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > The 197 having cruise is conceptually wrong, really. :-) Heh, I agree wholeheartedly! Although the new ones have slightly longer gearing in 5th anf 6th - one of the things that made me hunt for a year old one was that the older, shorter top gears box, makes it more fun to drive. Although it does allegedly sacrifice 2mpg or so... SignatureDan Clio R27 F1 #65 >>>>>>> I think you'll regret not buying an MX-5. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > old one was that the older, shorter top gears box, makes it more fun to > drive. Although it does allegedly sacrifice 2mpg or so... I suppose, but people don't usually buy these sorts of things for the sorts of annual mileages where another 2 mpg is going to make much of a difference, if you see what I mean. *fires Excel* Yeah so for a penny a mile difference it probably isn't worth getting too excited about. (29 or 31 mpg, 110p per litre). SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >> I think you'll regret not buying an MX-5. > > He'll regret not getting an E class more. Too expensive for me... SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > To cut a long story short, it's been two years since I bought the C9-3 and > I've enjoyed it. But Charlie has never liked it. I persuaded her to give [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pick it up Tuesday... So where will you get your derv fix? Sniffing the pump nozzles at the petrol station? >> To cut a long story short, it's been two years since I bought the C9-3 >> and I've enjoyed it. But Charlie has never liked it. I persuaded her to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > So where will you get your derv fix? Sniffing the pump nozzles at the > petrol station? It'll have to be borrowing stuff from work. I must I must I must *not* try to put diesel into the newbie. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > To cut a long story short, it's been two years since I bought the C9-3 and > I've enjoyed it. But Charlie has never liked it. I persuaded her to give [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pick it up Tuesday... Should have bought a Range Rover... SignaturePete M - OMF#9 Range Rover V8 Turbo Range Rover 4.6 HSE "Professional Petrolhead" > To cut a long story short, it's been two years since I bought the C9-3 and > I've enjoyed it. But Charlie has never liked it. I persuaded her to give [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pick it up Tuesday... Should have bought a Caterham. (I'm just joining in with everyone else here). Buy whatever you like. >> To cut a long story short, it's been two years since I bought the C9-3 >> and I've enjoyed it. But Charlie has never liked it. I persuaded her to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Buy whatever you like. :) SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >>> To cut a long story short, it's been two years since I bought the C9-3 >>> and I've enjoyed it. But Charlie has never liked it. I persuaded her [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > :) should have bought an old E36 328 with a buggered engine and pay way over the odds for it then fork out again for the engine and have to dodge it through it's MOT every year, but you know whatever you like :) >>>> To cut a long story short, it's been two years since I bought the C9-3 >>>> and I've enjoyed it. But Charlie has never liked it. I persuaded her [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > the odds for it then fork out again for the engine and have to dodge it > through it's MOT every year, but you know whatever you like :) We looked at a few BMWs, but as a concept, a four cylinder BMW is sort of wrong really unless you like the "company car whore caring more about carbon dioxide output than anything else" image. And yet they're also so right... The 9-3 TiD has been a faithful companion really, can't ask for more than that. I'm not going to be getting something small, lightweight and rear wheel drive just yet so whatever it is becomes a compromise. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > > should have bought an old E36 328 with a buggered engine and pay way over > > the odds for it then fork out again for the engine and have to dodge it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > wrong really unless you like the "company car whore caring more about carbon > dioxide output than anything else" image. 175bhp, RWD diesels, though.... SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >> > should have bought an old E36 328 with a buggered engine and pay way >> > over [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > 175bhp, RWD diesels, though.... You said yourself that RWD doesn't matter for everyday driving. Personally I disagree. More to the point, there's a price tag associated with something newer and with that much poke. Plus Charlie reckons that the 3-Series look pikey and cheap inside without leather. I don't disagree much to make an issue of it, if you see what I mean. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > >> > should have bought an old E36 328 with a buggered engine and pay way > >> > over [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > You said yourself that RWD doesn't matter for everyday driving. Personally > I disagree. In reality, it doesn't. I won't get hung up about it. But it's better than something with a Vectra chassis. Bonus points for pissing off Tim, too, as he wouldn't be the only one with a relatively powerful RWD diesel on the group. > More to the point, there's a price tag associated with something newer and > with that much poke. Plus Charlie reckons that the 3-Series look pikey and > cheap inside without leather. I don't disagree much to make an issue of it, > if you see what I mean. German leather is almost always shite, though. What does look pikey is ES trim with manual aircon and no chrome highlights on the outside. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >> >> > should have bought an old E36 328 with a buggered engine and pay way >> >> > over [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Bonus points for pissing off Tim, too, as he wouldn't be the only one > with a relatively powerful RWD diesel on the group. Is that like, having the most penny pinching 'drivers car' or something? SignatureDan Clio R27 F1 #65 > > In reality, it doesn't. I won't get hung up about it. But it's better > > than something with a Vectra chassis. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Is that like, having the most penny pinching 'drivers car' or something? It's like having something that would give your Clio a bloody good run for its money down a twisty road but won't anally rape you on fuel costs. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >> > In reality, it doesn't. I won't get hung up about it. But it's better >> > than something with a Vectra chassis. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It's like having something that would give your Clio a bloody good run > for its money down a twisty road Well that's just not true is it. SignatureDan Clio R27 F1 #65 >>> > In reality, it doesn't. I won't get hung up about it. But it's better >>> > than something with a Vectra chassis. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Well that's just not true is it. Without seeing the two compared side by side or at the very least, me driving both back to back along similar roads, I can't vouch for it. But I do think that it's a bit like claiming a Cinquecento Sporting is fast or a B5 Passat 1.8T is a devastatingly fast cross country missile. ;-) SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > >>> > In reality, it doesn't. I won't get hung up about it. But it's better > >>> > than something with a Vectra chassis. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Without seeing the two compared side by side or at the very least, me > driving both back to back along similar roads, I can't vouch for it. It's a very close comparison. I don't know the best place to look for full performance figures, but there's only 0.6 secs difference on 0-60 times, which is quite impressive considering the 120d is a particularly lardy hatch. > But I do think that it's a bit like claiming a Cinquecento Sporting is fast > or a B5 Passat 1.8T is a devastatingly fast cross country missile. > > ;-) Fast for what they are. The Cinq. isn't slow as such and feels a lot quicker than it is. But it also begs you to cane it, and has handling (especially on decent springs and shocks) that'll see it keep with allegedly better stuff in the twisties. As for the 1.8T, the accelleration times are actually damned impressive for a cooking car, so with the right attitude behind the wheel, they can be rowed along at quite impressive rates. Just ignore the roll and keep your right foot on the floor. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE > >> > In reality, it doesn't. I won't get hung up about it. But it's better > >> > than something with a Vectra chassis. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Well that's just not true is it. You reckon? I'd say something like a 120d M-Sport or Dynamic would be very bloody close down a twisty road - mostly because it would be able to get the power down much better than a FWD car with 22bhp more. Granted, in a straight motorway drag, the Clio would have the edge, but not by a massive margin. This is why the BMWs have always had huge weight penalties lumped on them in BTCC. Anyway, we all know you should have bought a 130 M-Sport. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >> >> > In reality, it doesn't. I won't get hung up about it. But it's >> >> > better [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > close down a twisty road - mostly because it would be able to get the > power down much better than a FWD car with 22bhp more. Well I'm pretty sure we were talking saloon cars, but even so... > Granted, in a straight motorway drag, the Clio would have the edge, but > not by a massive margin. > > This is why the BMWs have always had huge weight penalties lumped on > them in BTCC. > Anyway, we all know you should have bought a 130 M-Sport. Heh, cheapest 3 door on Autotrader is like £25k. Obviously no one with eyes could own the 5 door. You really should go an drive any of the modern crop of hot hatches. The 197 is generally acknowledged to have the best hot hatch chassis at the moment, quicker round the track than a Golf GTi for example - which is also a fine car. But I think even the Golf would surprise you in just how far they've come in the past for years, chassis wise... Not to be compared with the Pov specs ones the dealership sometimes give you - there is an awfully big difference. SignatureDan Clio R27 F1 #65 > > Anyway, we all know you should have bought a 130 M-Sport. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > wise... Not to be compared with the Pov specs ones the dealership sometimes > give you - there is an awfully big difference. I hear all that, but, 175bhp, RWD on M-Sport suspension (which is what I could have) would be within a fag paper of the 197 in the real world, if only because it would have traction where the 197's dash was lit up like Blackpool illuminations. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >> > Anyway, we all know you should have bought a 130 M-Sport. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > only because it would have traction where the 197's dash was lit up like > Blackpool illuminations. If the 197 is anything like the 182, this simply isn't the case. I don't like the Clio. But the 172 and 182 are *immensely* capable point to point machines. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > > I hear all that, but, 175bhp, RWD on M-Sport suspension (which is what I > > could have) would be within a fag paper of the 197 in the real world, if [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I don't like the Clio. But the 172 and 182 are *immensely* capable point to > point machines. Rear Wheel Drive 'nuff said. Doesn't matter how capable they are, they're still FWD, and I don't yet know of any maker who has properly tamed nigh on 200bhp through the front wheels. Can't believe I'm 'defending' a diesel BMW, though.... but I do have a lot of faith in the extra capabilities of a well setup RWD chassis. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >> > I hear all that, but, 175bhp, RWD on M-Sport suspension (which is what >> > I [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > know of any maker who has properly tamed nigh on 200bhp through the > front wheels. As I keep saying, drive any of the modern ones and you'll see this just isn't the case any more :-) SignatureDan Clio R27 F1 #65 > Doesn't matter how capable they are, they're still FWD, and I don't > yet know of any maker who has properly tamed nigh on 200bhp through > the front wheels. Volvo. I had 225 bhp ish and had no problems getting the power down. >> > I hear all that, but, 175bhp, RWD on M-Sport suspension (which is what >> > I [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > 'nuff said. Not enough written. > Doesn't matter how capable they are, they're still FWD, and I don't yet > know of any maker who has properly tamed nigh on 200bhp through the > front wheels. This ignores a few things, but the key issue here is that you need to try more similar power machines. > Can't believe I'm 'defending' a diesel BMW, though.... but I do have a > lot of faith in the extra capabilities of a well setup RWD chassis. I don't doubt the abilities of a well set up machine, but you are discounting the abilities of a well set up front wheel drive machine. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > But the 172 and 182 are *immensely* capable point to > point machines. I think you meant to type "devastatingly fast cross-country missiles." HTH. >> >> > should have bought an old E36 328 with a buggered engine and pay way >> >> > over [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > In reality, it doesn't. I won't get hung up about it. But it's better > than something with a Vectra chassis. It's more that the Vectra uses a lengthened Saab-engineered chassis, kinda like the Alfa Romeo 159 in that respect. > Bonus points for pissing off Tim, too, as he wouldn't be the only one > with a relatively powerful RWD diesel on the group. Here the compromise was between diesel, low spec, rear wheel drive or older or front wheel drive higher spec. >> More to the point, there's a price tag associated with something newer >> and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > German leather is almost always shite, though. Maybe; but there are some appalling garish "you should have bought the leather" fabrics in use for 3-Series. And Charlie really hates the plusher fabric stuff. > What does look pikey is ES trim with manual aircon and no chrome > highlights on the outside. To the vaguely trained eye, yes absolutely. To most people, nah not really... SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > Bonus points for pissing off Tim, too, as he wouldn't be the only one > with a relatively powerful RWD diesel on the group. Don't - the threat of it had me looking at C320CDis... >> Bonus points for pissing off Tim, too, as he wouldn't be the only one >> with a relatively powerful RWD diesel on the group. > > Don't - the threat of it had me looking at C320CDis... Meh. If I were forced into leasing something* then naturally it would have to be a 5-Series. And the only three models that make any sense are the 520d, 535d and M5. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > What does look pikey is ES trim with manual aircon and no chrome > highlights on the outside. I thought chrome highlights made cars look pikey? SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com > > What does look pikey is ES trim with manual aircon and no chrome > > highlights on the outside. > > > I thought chrome highlights made cars look pikey? Eh? Silver sh.t scattered all over the inside makes it look like a branch of Dixons circa 1998. Black and chrome exteriors look good. HTH. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >>> What does look pikey is ES trim with manual aircon and no chrome >>> highlights on the outside. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Black and chrome exteriors look good. Black and black exteriors look better :-) SignaturePete M - OMF#9 Range Rover V8 Turbo Range Rover 4.6 HSE "Professional Petrolhead" > >>> What does look pikey is ES trim with manual aircon and no chrome > >>> highlights on the outside. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Black and black exteriors look better :-) Hmmm, no sure myself. I've seen 3-series cars in ES and SE trim, the SEs with the chrome window surrounds definitely look better. Same with the B6 Passat. However, this may or may not be influenced by my knowledge that no chrome = pikey spec. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >>>>> What does look pikey is ES trim with manual aircon and no chrome >>>>> highlights on the outside. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > However, this may or may not be influenced by my knowledge that no > chrome = pikey spec. I'm loving the fact my P38 has zero chrome other than the exhaust tailpipe. Blacker than a black thing. The spotlights and wheels are irritatingly non-black. I think it needs gunmetal grey wheels... SignaturePete M - OMF#9 Range Rover V8 Turbo Range Rover 4.6 HSE "Professional Petrolhead" > I'm loving the fact my P38 has zero chrome other than the exhaust > tailpipe. Blacker than a black thing. The spotlights and wheels are > irritatingly non-black. I think it needs gunmetal grey wheels... Dare I mention John Barrowman again? >> I'm loving the fact my P38 has zero chrome other than the exhaust >> tailpipe. Blacker than a black thing. The spotlights and wheels are >> irritatingly non-black. I think it needs gunmetal grey wheels... > > Dare I mention John Barrowman again? It's not a Gaylander, it's a Range Rover. SignaturePete M - OMF#9 Range Rover V8 Turbo Range Rover 4.6 HSE "Professional Petrolhead" >>> I'm loving the fact my P38 has zero chrome other than the exhaust >>> tailpipe. Blacker than a black thing. The spotlights and wheels are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It's not a Gaylander, it's a Range Rover. Yup - and he drives a black one on TV :-) >>>> I'm loving the fact my P38 has zero chrome other than the exhaust >>>> tailpipe. Blacker than a black thing. The spotlights and wheels are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yup - and he drives a black one on TV :-) Which is an L322, not a P38 :-p SignaturePete M - OMF#9 Range Rover V8 Turbo Range Rover 4.6 HSE "Professional Petrolhead" >>>>> I'm loving the fact my P38 has zero chrome other than the exhaust >>>>> tailpipe. Blacker than a black thing. The spotlights and wheels are [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Which is an L322, not a P38 :-p Picky, picky :-) > "Pete M" <pete.murray@SPAMFREEblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>> I'm loving the fact my P38 has zero chrome other than the exhaust >>>>>> tailpipe. Blacker than a black thing. The spotlights and wheels [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Picky, picky :-) Wouldn't you be? Given the alternative? SignaturePete M - OMF#9 Range Rover V8 Turbo Range Rover 4.6 HSE "Professional Petrolhead" > >>> I'm loving the fact my P38 has zero chrome other than the exhaust > >>> tailpipe. Blacker than a black thing. The spotlights and wheels are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yup - and he drives a black one on TV :-) http://blog.drecom.jp/sillymgm/img/412/tw_downloads_s2_ep02_jack_suv_800 .jpg SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE > Plus Charlie reckons that the 3-Series look pikey and cheap inside without > leather. I don't disagree much to make an issue of it, if you see what I > mean. They also look pikey and cheap with a leather interior. BMW really don't have a clue when it comes to trimming cars, even a Discovery has a better interior. > 175bhp, RWD diesels, though.... [raises hand] >> 175bhp, RWD diesels, though.... > > [raises hand] Here somebody should try to tell you that it's lardy... ;-) SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com |
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