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My girlfriend recently applied for a job, which looked pretty good but had what I thought would be a fairly uncommon set of required experience, which she had. The other day she got a reply, with the usual "Unfortunately you have not been selected for interview...", but that there were over 300 applicants for one job! "Doki" <mrdoki@gmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > My girlfriend recently applied for a job, which looked pretty good but > had what I thought would be a fairly uncommon set of required [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > not been selected for interview...", but that there were over 300 > applicants for one job! Just because people applied doesn't mean they'd got the required skills & experience... > Just because people applied doesn't mean they'd got the required skills & > experience... Also just because someone has applied for a job for which they have the appropriate skills and experience doesn't mean that the recruiter has the ability to read and interpret the client brief correctly. I've had the past recruiters ring me to say that my CV has not been forwarded because I don't have "appropriate experience for the role". Including for one "they need someone with experience of secure data centre builds" right... so the bit of my CV at the top, where it says that I've built 11 secure data centres over the last ten years doesn't count, eh? > > Just because people applied doesn't mean they'd got the required skills & > > experience... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > right... so the bit of my CV at the top, where it says that I've built > 11 secure data centres over the last ten years doesn't count, eh? I'm getting the same constantly at the moment, it's f.cking annoying. Apparently I don't have enough experience, even for shitty desktop or 2nd line roles, never mind support manager positions. Well, I suppose I've only been doing it 15 years. How much more experience do I need FFS? Mike P > I'm getting the same constantly at the moment, it's f.cking annoying. > Apparently I don't have enough experience, even for shitty desktop or > 2nd line roles, never mind support manager positions. Well, I suppose > I've only been doing it 15 years. How much more experience do I need > FFS? The basic rule is that recruiters lie, constantly, childishly and to the point of insulting your intelligence. Often there's no actual job at the end of the line, the bastards are just fishing for CVs/contacts. Hence when you call them to ask if they received a CV or if they have heard anything from the client they fob you off with the first putdown that comes to mind. I had a contract last year where the recruiter assured me that I was completely unsuitable for the position, so I phoned the company in question and asked them to have a shufty at my CV. I was then given the contract within 48 hours. The recruiter didn't want to forward my CV because they got paid less for recruiting people who had worked for the client in the last six months. > > I'm getting the same constantly at the moment, it's f.cking annoying. > > Apparently I don't have enough experience, even for shitty desktop or [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The basic rule is that recruiters lie, constantly, childishly and to the > point of insulting your intelligence. Yes, the bastards seem even lower than estate agents on the ladder of deceny. >Often there's no actual job at the > end of the line, the bastards are just fishing for CVs/contacts. I usually get an email back saying "to match you with the right job, fill in your details etc..." Well, f.ck me, you know what job I want, read the CV and see what I've just applied for. you arseholes. I've lost patience with the f.ckers TBH, I'll just bumble along doing what I'm doing for a while and wait til the market picks up. At least I'm secure here, even if the money isn't great. Well, it's sh.t actually, but survivably sh.t. Mike P >> Just because people applied doesn't mean they'd got the required skills & >> experience... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > right... so the bit of my CV at the top, where it says that I've built > 11 secure data centres over the last ten years doesn't count, eh? I suspect a very small percentage of what's on your CV gets read when they've got several hundred to get through. TBH I'm inclined to go and do an MSc in a commercial subject. At the minute, there's bugger all in the way of useful graduate employment around, nobody is inclined to take on graduates for shitty jobs as they know you'll up sticks as soon as possible, and none of the temp agencies I've spoken to are even taking people onto their books, so the alternative may well be 12 months with very little to do. >>> Just because people applied doesn't mean they'd got the required skills >>> & [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I've spoken to are even taking people onto their books, so the alternative > may well be 12 months with very little to do. The reason I would not employ graduates is their lack of experience and common sense. Once they get a degree they think that they can walk in to any job and demand a certain salary. The one thing they all have in common is that they can repeat what they see in a book but don't understand what it means. They fail to translate what knowledge or understanding they have in to the workplace environment. It often takes a lot of time and money to train them from the start again. A degree counts for nothing. That is why companies now employ intelligent people who can prove they know what they are talking about and put it in to practice. They often end up being paid what someone with a degree would demand. Agencies are a waste of time, you need to apply direct to companies. If you have a mickey mouse degree and no work experience, no one will take you seriously. Bits of paper mean nothing when hiring people, it's all about the knowledge and skills a person has. I have taken people on who do not have a degree, but have proven work experience and have demonstrated they can do the job. They are more reliable, more intelligent and have a better understanding of the job. It's better than having some tosser from university who thinks the world owes them a living for bluffing their way through a course. I would advise you to change your CV, get some work experience behind you that can be checked and don't lie on the CV or letters. Pestering a company by phone will mean you application goes in the bin. I also shred anything that has bad spelling, text talk, abbreviations or is presented in a sloppy way. Don't show for an interview in jeans, even if they are £500 designer ones. >>>> Just because people applied doesn't mean they'd got the required >>>> skills & [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > I would advise you to change your CV I'd advise you to piss off Mike P >>>>> Just because people applied doesn't mean they'd got the required >>>>> skills & [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > I'd advise you to piss off Hah! I was just about to post something along the lines of "As I'm not a complete muppet, I do actually know my stuff". In my last job, I found solutions to problems that the people previously doing my job had deemed intractable, and got stuff done far more quickly than anyone was expecting. But of course, I'm a no nothing graduate with no work experience, and I can't spell or add up. >>> I would advise you to change your CV >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > expecting. But of course, I'm a no nothing graduate with no work > experience, and I can't spell or add up. TBH, my take on it is that the whole idea of getting every man, woman, girl, boy and spider into uni only serves to devalue the degree. Degrees were never the be all and end all of a person's abilities anyway, but they're even less so these days. Christ knows I met enough complete idiots at uni that confirmed that very theory (not on my course mind you, but then my course was a *fuckload* more picky than most).  Signature"For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died." > Christ knows I met enough complete idiots at uni that confirmed that very > theory (not on my course mind you, but then my course was a *fuckload* > more picky than most). IRTA more pikey than most :-) >> Christ knows I met enough complete idiots at uni that confirmed that very >> theory (not on my course mind you, but then my course was a *fuckload* >> more picky than most). > > IRTA more pikey than most :-) LOL! In fairness, yeah, it was such a pikey course that there were 20 places and about 600 applicants each year. Signature"For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died." > The reason I would not employ graduates is their lack of experience and > common sense. Once they get a degree they think that they can walk in to > any job and demand a certain salary. The one thing they all have in common > is that they can repeat what they see in a book but don't understand what > it means. Would you like a chip for the other shoulder so that you can have a balanced opinion? > Just because people applied doesn't mean they'd got the required skills & > experience... Indeed. For the DWP jobs I applied for, 60% of the interviewees failed the numeracy and literacy test which is a f.cking hard thing to do when there's only 15 questions in one, 20 in the other and the pass mark is just over 50%. I got 100% in both and had so much time I went through the literacy 3 times and the numeracy twice to check. I then went to another interview where those who'd already passed the test in previous interviews were excused and sat waiting to go to the interview itself. One woman commented how hard she found the tests, that she got 10 on the literacy and didn't even finish the numeracy. She then went on to say she'd found she was number 8 in the waiting list for the job. This was back in November. On Thursday last week, they rang me to offer me a place so I guess I was way down the list. I declined as despite the fact I'd end up £100 a month worse off for "being at work" (inc travelling) 30hrs a week more than I am, I think that working with such a bunch of illiterate halfwits would've driven me mad. Going through the application process has, however, opened my eyes to why they make so many fuckups and you always feel like you're talking to a moron. As you said, Adrian, apparently having the necessary skills and experience doesn't count. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams Conor <conor@gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > As you said, Adrian, apparently having the necessary skills and > experience doesn't count. Well, I have to admit that I was assuming those without wouldn't actually get the job... > Conor <co...@gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well, I have to admit that I was assuming those without wouldn't actually > get the job... You'd be surprised. Money talks these days, if they can get away with employing someone who'll take less money, they appear to do it. I got given control of a support team last year that was entirely staffed by people with NFI whatsoever of what the job entailed. They'd all been interviewed and given the job by my "manager". They were all on crap money. The only guys who were on good money were myself and a guy I poached from my previous employer - we were the only ones who knew what we were on about. I had to fire two of them for watching porn , one of whom started on me in the meeting with HR saying it was the companies fault because we hadn't blocked it..... In the end, it backfired on them because one of the idiots f.cked something up so badly the clients cancelled their contract - he'd simply been asked to forward an email to the entire company. He did. However, instead of just cutting the bit he was supposed to send out, he forwarded the entire email thread on which included managers arguing about the contents of the email, possible redundancies ,bitching about each other and staff. Brilliant. Mike P > However, instead of just cutting the bit he was supposed to send out, > he forwarded the entire email thread Heh. A few years ago I got an email from the Department Manager that was the usual "please act on this" then an attached Word document. The Word document contained the usual five lines of plain text that could have been written in the body of the email. But the Word document was 10Mb which seemed a tad large for the five lines of text, even by Microsoft standards. So being a nosey bastard I had a look with Notepad and discovered that he had written the Word document by taking an old one, "deleting" the content then forwarding it to his management team. The "deleted" text contained full details of the salaries, security clearances and personal histories of everyone in the department (about 1000 people). >> However, instead of just cutting the bit he was supposed to send out, >> he forwarded the entire email thread [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > contained full details of the salaries, security clearances and personal > histories of everyone in the department (about 1000 people). Oh dear, did you get that from the Urban Myth site? I deal with forensic examination of PCs so know you are wrong. Others might be easier for you to fool/impress. >>> However, instead of just cutting the bit he was supposed to send out, >>> he forwarded the entire email thread [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Oh dear, did you get that from the Urban Myth site? I know f.ck all I have corrected your post for you Clive. Mike P > > So being a nosey bastard I had a look with Notepad and discovered that > > he had written the Word document by taking an old one, "deleting" the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Oh dear, did you get that from the Urban Myth site? No, I've explained the circumstances in terms that even a fuckwit could understand. > I deal with > forensic examination of PCs so know you are wrong. You couldn't forensically examine the content of your own handkerchief. > Others might be easier for you to fool/impress. Hello Toomy. >>> However, instead of just cutting the bit he was supposed to send out, >>> he forwarded the entire email thread [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > forensic examination of PCs so know you are wrong. Others might > be easier for you to fool/impress. Are you the same clive that keeps going on about OLED TVs? SignatureAlex "I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away" > > Oh dear, did you get that from the Urban Myth site? I deal with > > forensic examination of PCs so know you are wrong. Others might > > be easier for you to fool/impress. > > Are you the same clive that keeps going on about OLED TVs? I suspect it is, he's a numpty who likes to pretend that he's a somebody. >> > Oh dear, did you get that from the Urban Myth site? I deal with >> > forensic examination of PCs so know you are wrong. Others might [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I suspect it is, he's a numpty who likes to pretend that he's a > somebody. If so he's convinced that there are warehouses full of huge OLED TVs ready to go into the shops at bargain prices , just waiting for the *other* warehouses full of all the old LCD TVs to sell out first. Oddly, he's been saying this for a couple of years , during which time there have been plenty of new models of LCD and Plasma released. Strange that they would have built all of these in advance , isn't it..... SignatureAlex "I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away" On 24 July, 15:14, "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!...@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote: > >> > Oh dear, did you get that from the Urban Myth site? I deal with > >> > forensic examination of PCs so know you are wrong. Others might [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Oddly, he's been saying this for a couple of years , during which time there have been plenty of new models of LCD and Plasma released. Strange that they would have built all of these in advance , isn't it..... He's only worth treating with the contempt he deserves and has been for a couple of years at least. Mike P > "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message >> But the Word document was 10Mb which seemed a tad large for the five >> lines of text, even by Microsoft standards. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > forensic examination of PCs so know you are wrong. Others might be > easier for you to fool/impress. Interesting. I guess Microsoft are wrong about what can be left in a Word document, unless you take special care to remove it: <http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA010776461033.aspx> ...and that's this company out of business then: <http://www.payneconsulting.com/products/metadataretail/> I've dealt professionally with PC Forensics and Incident Response as well. Whats' the first thing you do when you get to a PC involved in a case? Or when it gets delivered to you, if that's where you fit into the process? I'd go on, but you are plainly lying, so there's no point. > I've dealt professionally with PC Forensics and Incident Response as > well. Whats' the first thing you do when you get to a PC involved in a > case? Or when it gets delivered to you, if that's where you fit into the > process? From his posts if he is involved it's in moving it from one room to another and hands it to someone with a brain, and a degree. > I'd go on, but you are plainly lying, so there's no point. "Clive" is saying that he's been involved in Computer Forensics because I pointed out in another newsgroup that I have been involved in CF. Since I'm a published author in the field and there are several security sites/interest groups out there with my name plastered over them (and some really dreadful photographs) my claim was easy to verify. "Clives" claim can only be verified by him, from the bottom of a bottle. >> Conor <co...@gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were >> saying: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Mike P What did you expect from people working in a call centre! >>> Conor <co...@gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were >>> saying: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > What did you expect from people working in a call centre! More than I'd expect from a clueless c.nt like you. It wasn't a call centre. Mike P > Conor <conor@gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well, I have to admit that I was assuming those without wouldn't actually > get the job... In the Civil Service, especially DWP, it seems that being "rights aware" is more important than your ability to actually do the job. And you know how well I fare on that. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> Conor <conor@gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were >> saying: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > And you know how well I fare on that. I'm sure you're *aware* of it Conor :-), just maybe not care for it very much... > > In the Civil Service, especially DWP, it seems that being "rights > > aware" is more important than your ability to actually do the job. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm sure you're *aware* of it Conor :-), just maybe not care for it very > much... A friend of mine did say he reckoned I'd be fired in the first 2 months... SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> > In the Civil Service, especially DWP, it seems that being "rights >> > aware" is more important than your ability to actually do the job. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > A friend of mine did say he reckoned I'd be fired in the first 2 > months... That is why no one will employ you. Your attitude makes you a risk for any employer. It's no one elses problem apart from your own. Maybe one day when you grow up, leave home and have to work you might work on removing the huge chip on your shoulder. I certainly wouldn't employ someone like you, just from reading some of the stuff you post. Maybe your local job centre could help you with a course based on "applying for a job", "how to construct a CV", "interview skills" and advise on how to keep your mouth shut. I have only ever been out of work for 2 weeks, that was after leaving school many years ago at 16. I already had a job before I left. Since then I have had two other jobs and been with my current employer for quite a few years, never been off sick and been promoted more times than I can remember. Maybe you should try and work harder. Other people do it, not just me. Now I can sit back and hire & fire people when required. I wouldn't let anyone like you past the interview. You might fool people on a CV or with a letter, but it's when you open your mouth that you let yourself down. I have in the past worked with people similar to you, they all ended up out of work in a short time. You do come across as a waste of space - so I wish you luck! >> Conor <conor@gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were >> saying: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > And you know how well I fare on that. You can't even get a simple admin job, so your opinion is not based on anything really. You just have a massive chip on your shoulder because those of us that have worked hard and have a secure well paid job are better than you! Channel your energy in to applying for jobs. > You can't even get a simple admin job, so your opinion is not based > on anything really. Says the man who thinks a sole trader has to register at Companies House. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> You can't even get a simple admin job, so your opinion is not based >> on anything really. > > Says the man who thinks a sole trader deals in the afterlife. (Post corrected). > Indeed. For the DWP jobs I applied for, 60% of the interviewees failed > the numeracy and literacy test which is a f.cking hard thing to do when > there's only 15 questions in one, 20 in the other and the pass mark is > just over 50%. I got 100% in both and had so much time I went through > the literacy 3 times and the numeracy twice to check. Why no apply to the Highways Agency (Wakefield)? The pay is better than DWP and of the people I trained to do the job a majority were ex-DWP moving to HA because the job was more interesting, the conditions better and the people generally are slightly more savvy than the average DWP droid. It's a job cut out for ex-truckers since an encyclopaedic knowledge of motorways and trunk roads is a bonus. > Why no apply to the Highways Agency (Wakefield)? The pay is better than > DWP and of the people I trained to do the job a majority were ex-DWP > moving to HA because the job was more interesting, the conditions better > and the people generally are slightly more savvy than the average DWP > droid. It's a job cut out for ex-truckers since an encyclopaedic > knowledge of motorways and trunk roads is a bonus. Health now precludes me travelling 120 miles a day on a regular basis which is why I'm not trucking even though there's plenty of work about at the moment. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> Why no apply to the Highways Agency (Wakefield)? The pay is better than >> DWP and of the people I trained to do the job a majority were ex-DWP [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > which is why I'm not trucking even though there's plenty of work about > at the moment. Is it too nosey to ask what? > > Health now precludes me travelling 120 miles a day on a regular basis > > which is why I'm not trucking even though there's plenty of work about > > at the moment. > > > Is it too nosey to ask what? Nope. Same as the last 19 years. Disc above the two I had operated on in 1993 has failed. Happened about 9 years ago. They won't operate now unless its likely to cause paralasys due to the previous op so even though there's a shedload of pain as long as everything is still moving, they'll leave alone. In the words of the neurosurgeon the other week, "someone who had a double lamenectomy at the age of 21 is going to be screwed for the rest of their life." Cheers. So while I can sit in a vehicle for the distance, watching me struggle at the other end has a high comedy value. It might ease up sometime in the next 12 months or not. But that's why I'm a miserable arse some times. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >>> Health now precludes me travelling 120 miles a day on a regular basis >>> which is why I'm not trucking even though there's plenty of work about [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > though there's a shedload of pain as long as everything is still > moving, they'll leave alone. Been there, to a lesser degree. In the words of the neurosurgeon the other > week, "someone who had a double lamenectomy at the age of 21 is going > to be screwed for the rest of their life." Cheers. :-/ > So while I can sit in a vehicle for the distance, watching me struggle > at the other end has a high comedy value. > > It might ease up sometime in the next 12 months or not. But that's why > I'm a miserable arse some times. I thought it was a back problem, which is why I asked. You have my sympathy, as by the sound of it you have more serious problems than I do. I've not long had a inter-laminar decompression op, which has helped me a lot, though I'm still very glad to have got an auto car. I've had some back pain since my late teens/20s, (I'm approaching 40 now) with it getting a lot worse in the last few, and affecting my left leg badly: a half-decent traffic jam would leave me in a lot of pain, as would a day at work (my job is mostly desk-bound). It ceratinly made me /more/ of a miserable arse. I'm in the position now that things have got a little better, and /shouldn't/ get worse. Hope things work out. > > It might ease up sometime in the next 12 months or not. But that's why > > I'm a miserable arse some times. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > at work (my job is mostly desk-bound). It ceratinly made me /more/ of a > miserable arse. "Only" sciatica for me, since mid 20's only flares up every few years. But when it does, by god it is bad. SignatureCarl Robson Get cashback on your purchases Topcashback http://www.TopCashBack.co.uk/skraggy_uk/ref/index.htm Greasypalm http://www.greasypalm.co.uk/r/?l=1006553 In article <7cnr5dFpb3udU1@mid.individual.net>, Adrian says... > Just because people applied doesn't mean they'd got the required skills & > experience... Indeed. For the DWP jobs I applied for, 60% of the interviewees failed the numeracy and literacy test which is a f.cking hard thing to do when there's only 15 questions in one, 20 in the other and the pass mark is just over 50%. I got 100% in both and had so much time I went through the literacy 3 times and the numeracy twice to check. Plucked from thin air - test results are never released or made pubic. Stop telling lies! if you can't get a simple admin job with the DWP you must be thick or unemployable. I then went to another interview where those who'd already passed the test in previous interviews were excused and sat waiting to go to the interview itself. One woman commented how hard she found the tests, that she got 10 on the literacy and didn't even finish the numeracy. She then went on to say she'd found she was number 8 in the waiting list for the job. Really? You kept in touch with a total stranger after a test for a job? Oh dear. Details of positions on waiting lists are not made public and not published or put in letters. Stop telling lies! This was back in November. On Thursday last week, they rang me to offer me a place so I guess I was way down the list. So that must mean you are thick! Read what you typed. Someone who found the tests difficult and didn't finish one was meant to be number 8 and you were months behind her. This might give a clue as to why you can't get a job. I declined as despite the fact I'd end up £100 a month worse off for "being at work" (inc travelling) 30hrs a week more than I am, I think that working with such a bunch of illiterate halfwits would've driven me mad. You don't even know them. The problem with you might be your poor attitude and the way you appear to others - a tosser. You could always stay a dole scrounger or you could get a job and prove your experience and earn promotions within that area. You seem to want the easy option and must think the world owes you a living. I take it you are fairly young. Going through the application process has, however, opened my eyes to why they make so many fuckups and you always feel like you're talking to a moron. That's probably what the interviewer says when they deal with dole scroungers. Talking to the morons, like you, looking for work. As you said, Adrian, apparently having the necessary skills and experience doesn't count. It does if you actually have them and can prove it. I would employ people with experience, common sense and a good attitude. I wouldn't employ some lazy idiot who thinks he should be given a position within a company and thinks he is better than everyone else. This is probably one of your main things to sort out. No wonder people have no time for you. What use is someone selling on old laptops? If you had ANY intelligence, you would change that company name before you're sued. Part of it is a registered TradeMark. The Inland Revenue might also be interested as you don't appear to be registered with Companies House. That just shows your level of intelligence. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams "Clive" <clive.1@nospam.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > What use is someone selling on old laptops? There's certainly a target market there, although I'm not convinced it can be met viably. > If you had ANY intelligence, you would change that company name before > you're sued. Part of it is a registered TradeMark. I'll agree that that's probably far from wise, especially given that they have a rep for throwing legals about. > The Inland Revenue might also be interested as you don't appear to be > registered with Companies House. Umm, nowhere on that site does it suggest that there's a limited company, so why _would_ anything be registered at CoHo? > That just shows your level of intelligence. Of somebody's, that's for sure... > I'll agree that that's probably far from wise, especially given that they > have a rep for throwing legals about. Not in the UK and not since the end of the dot.com boom. I did do a lot of hunting around. Basically, guns-r-us and roadkill-r-us got screwed in the US as did some who used very similar graphics and colour scheme which "could" be construed as misleading. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> I'll agree that that's probably far from wise, especially given that they >> have a rep for throwing legals about. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > some who used very similar graphics and colour scheme which "could" be > construed as misleading. Besides, your 'r' isn't even backwards. (c; SignatureDouglas > >> I'll agree that that's probably far from wise, especially given that they > >> have a rep for throwing legals about. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Besides, your 'r' isn't even backwards. (c; Or red. The people who did get prosecuted successfully basically used the same design with a different first word. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > Plucked from thin air - test results are never released or made pubic. > Stop telling lies! They send you a letter with your scores in it and tell you to retain it to produce for any DWP job you apply for in the following 6 months in order to save you having to sit them again. > Really? You kept in touch with a total stranger after a test for a job? No, we were talking about it in random conversation. > Oh dear. Details of positions on waiting lists are not made public and > not published or put in letters. Stop telling lies! You're right, they're not. The woman in question had a friend who worked in DWP and found out for her. > This was back in November. On Thursday last week, they rang me to offer > me a place so I guess I was way down the list. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and you were months behind her. This might give a clue as to why you > can't get a job. I aced the test. I think I still have the letter with the results. > This is probably one of your main things to sort out. No wonder people > have no time for you. What use is someone selling on old laptops? > If you had ANY intelligence, you would change that company name > before you're sued. By whom? Please provide proof of one successful case in the UK in the last 5 years. > The Inland Revenue > might also be interested as you don't appear to be registered with > Companies House. That just shows your level of intelligence. No, it shows what a thick c.nt you are. Do you see the words "PLC" or "Ltd" anywhere in the name? No. Why? Because I'm a sole trader. And as a sole trader, I am not required to register with Companies House however I am required to register as Self Employed with HMRC which I have done. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > My girlfriend recently applied for a job, which looked pretty good but had > what I thought would be a fairly uncommon set of required experience, which [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > been selected for interview...", but that there were over 300 applicants for > one job! We advertised for an office based sales admin role recently and got over 100 applicants. We've also advertised for a logistics bod and I expect we'll get a similar number for that. SignatureAlex "I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away" > My girlfriend recently applied for a job, which looked pretty good but had > what I thought would be a fairly uncommon set of required experience, which [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > been selected for interview...", but that there were over 300 applicants for > one job! Having got fed up with not even getting a response to some of the applications I'd been making for IT based jobs a few months back, I started ringing some of the agencies a bit later in the day I'd applied to try and determine whether it was 'me' or just a saturated market leading to the lack of response. One agent was very helpful, and took some time to go through where my CV could perhaps be a bit more persuasive, as in most of my recent IT experience is in managerial type roles and that I should massage it a bit to reflect more of the 'hands on' side given I'd been applying for 2nd / 3rd Line Support roles in the absence of anything vaguely along the lines of what I'd been doing previously being advertised. And then he related how he'd had 150 applications within the first hour of the role I'd applied for, going up on the net. This was for a 2nd Line Support role in London, not that great location / pay wise. :-S Pretty disheartening, eh... -- JackH In article <85b12c77-036d-43ea-a6f1- 66cc7fee7f6b@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... > And then he related how he'd had 150 applications within the first > hour of the role I'd applied for, going up on the net. > > This was for a 2nd Line Support role in London, not that great > location / pay wise. :-S That's what you get for living in the South East. Up here, there's less competition and the pay isn't massively different. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > In article <85b12c77-036d-43ea-a6f1- > 66cc7fee7f6b@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > That's what you get for living in the South East. Up here, there's less > competition and the pay isn't massively different. Depends on the market, though. The salary for what I do is hugely different. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > Depends on the market, though. The salary for what I do is hugely > different. I've lost track. Is it signalman? SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> Depends on the market, though. The salary for what I do is hugely >> different. > > I've lost track. Is it signalman? IIRC I heard Derv mention training to be some flavour of Accountant. > IIRC I heard Derv mention training to be some flavour of Accountant. Yeah that figures. Anyone driving a diseasel is bound to be a tight-arse. <runs for cover> >> IIRC I heard Derv mention training to be some flavour of Accountant. > > Yeah that figures. Anyone driving a diseasel is bound to be a > tight-arse. > > <runs for cover> Heh. Kinda not all that close on both accounts I'm afraid. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >> IIRC I heard Derv mention training to be some flavour of Accountant. > > Yeah that figures. Anyone driving a diseasel is bound to be a > tight-arse. As of this morning I'm officially a "part qualified" accountant and I own a thirsty V8 and am considering another thirsty V8, so bollocks to your theory ;) > As of this morning I'm officially a "part qualified" accountant and I own > a thirsty V8 and am considering another thirsty V8, so bollocks to your > theory You obviously missed the part on the prospectus where it explains that when you pass the final exam they cut off your balls and sew up your arse. >> Depends on the market, though. The salary for what I do is hugely >> different. > > I've lost track. Is it signalman? Heh. Not really close I'm afraid. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > In article <85b12c77-036d-43ea-a6f1- > 66cc7fee7...@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > That's what you get for living in the South East. Up here, there's less > competition and the pay isn't massively different. No, only about 10k a year different from my experience.... Mike P In article <15f60284-52e7-4754-b4ce-6ecf4aa1be23 @r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Mike P says... > > In article <85b12c77-036d-43ea-a6f1- > > 66cc7fee7...@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > No, only about 10k a year different from my experience.... Indeed. You'd make that up and then some in the reduced cost of living. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > In article <15f60284-52e7-4754-b4ce-6ecf4aa1be23 > @r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Mike P says... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Indeed. You'd make that up and then some in the reduced cost of living. No, not really. My rent here is £750 a month. A similar sized house in the same sort of area (ie niceish, not a Bacup council house) up where my parents live would cost me £550-600. The drop in salary is more than £200 a month, so I'd actually be worse off up there. My mum's council tax is actually *more* up in Rossendale than it is for us down here in Twyford. I've done all the calculations to death mate, we were considering moving back up there when my missus got made redundant. It makes no odds, or we're actually slightly better off down here. Stuff like car insurance is cheaper by about £15 a month too. Mike P > > > > This was for a 2nd Line Support role in London, not that great > > > > location / pay wise. :-S [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Indeed. You'd make that up and then some in the reduced cost of living. <<No, not really. My rent here is £750 a month. A similar sized house in the same sort of area (ie niceish, not a Bacup council house) up where my parents live would cost me £550-600. The drop in salary is more than £200 a month, so I'd actually be worse off up there. My mum's council tax is actually *more* up in Rossendale than it is for us down here in Twyford. I've done all the calculations to death mate, we were considering moving back up there when my missus got made redundant. It makes no odds, or we're actually slightly better off down here. Stuff like car insurance is cheaper by about £15 a month too.>> Overcrowded South East in "not anywhere near as crap an idea as a place to live as most Northerners reckon it is" shocker :-) Signature"For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died." > > > > > This was for a 2nd Line Support role in London, not that great > > > > > location / pay wise. :-S [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Overcrowded South East in "not anywhere near as crap an idea as a place to > live as most Northerners reckon it is" shocker :-) Not overcrowded where I live mate, as you well know :-) I walked down the lanes last night and didn't see a car for 1/2 hour! Mike P > > Overcrowded South East in "not anywhere near as crap an idea as a place to > > live as most Northerners reckon it is" shocker :-) Well, as you know, in this bit of the South East the houses are all packed in like rats in traps. We've barely got an acre of garden each. >>> Overcrowded South East in "not anywhere near as crap an idea as a place to >>> live as most Northerners reckon it is" shocker :-) > > Well, as you know, in this bit of the South East the houses are all > packed in like rats in traps. We've barely got an acre of garden each. I was very surprised when last driving through just-outside-M25 commuterbelt how green and leafy things were. Bet it wasn't cheap though... Chris Bartram <news@delete.me.piglet-net.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > I was very surprised when last driving through just-outside-M25 > commuterbelt how green and leafy things were. Bet it wasn't cheap > though... <looks around> No, it isn't. But it's very nice. > Chris Bartram <news@delete.me.piglet-net.net> gurgled happily, sounding > much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > <looks around> > No, it isn't. But it's very nice. Indeed it is. It's obviously better than up North, or I'd be up there. Stands to reason dunnit? ;-) Mike P Mike P <privacy@privacy.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> I was very surprised when last driving through just-outside-M25 >>> commuterbelt how green and leafy things were. Bet it wasn't cheap >>> though... >> <looks around> >> No, it isn't. But it's very nice. > Indeed it is. It's obviously better than up North, or I'd be up there. > Stands to reason dunnit? ;-) Indeed. I seem to have forgotten to return North, too. > > Indeed it is. It's obviously better than up North, or I'd be up there. > > Stands to reason dunnit? ;-) > > Indeed. I seem to have forgotten to return North, too. <AOL> t'whippet, etc. Sithee. >> > > > This was for a 2nd Line Support role in London, not that great >> > > > location / pay wise. :-S [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Overcrowded South East in "not anywhere near as crap an idea as a place to > live as most Northerners reckon it is" shocker :-) As with all... depends on where, precisely. I find every facility in the South East horribly overcrowded. Trying to find somewhere to park at a shopping centre, cinema or similar. Eww. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > >> > > > This was for a 2nd Line Support role in London, not that great > >> > > > location / pay wise. :-S [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > South East horribly overcrowded. Trying to find somewhere to park at a > shopping centre, cinema or similar. Eww. Like trying to park in the Trafford Centre or going into central Leeds then I suppose? RG10 will show you where I live on google maps, It's really not crowded at all. Mike P On 23 July, 14:03, "DervMan" <thederv...@gmail.com> wrote: > "AstraVanMann" <pe...@swerveweb.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > South East horribly overcrowded. Trying to find somewhere to park at a > shopping centre, cinema or similar. Eww. Like trying to park in the Trafford Centre or going into central Leeds then I suppose? RG10 will show you where I live on google maps, It's really not crowded at all. *** Oh yeah, I appreciate that. The difference is between some places and everywhere... SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > On 23 July, 14:03, "DervMan" <thederv...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Oh yeah, I appreciate that. The difference is between some places and > everywhere... I don't find it that much different down here once you're out of London. It's certainley no worse than the North West really. I can drive for 30 mins and be in the middle of nowhere in the Chilterns, or in the countryside down towards Portsmouth. Greater London's hell, but the same can be said for Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle. I haven't been to York for over 12 years now, but it was a nightmare when I did go.. Mike P On 23 July, 15:33, "DervMan" <thederv...@gmail.com> wrote: > "Mike P" <mikepears...@googlemail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > Oh yeah, I appreciate that. The difference is between some places and > everywhere... I don't find it that much different down here once you're out of London. It's certainley no worse than the North West really. I can drive for 30 mins and be in the middle of nowhere in the Chilterns, or in the countryside down towards Portsmouth. Greater London's hell, but the same can be said for Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle. I haven't been to York for over 12 years now, but it was a nightmare when I did go.. ***** Yup. Pretty much. York is very busy, partially because it's reputed to be a happen' spot* and partially because York Council have over the years made it a deliberately difficult to get around the city on anything other than a push bike or bus. *clearly not a patch on Wales, though. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > On 23 July, 15:33, "DervMan" <thederv...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > *clearly not a patch on Wales, though. Wales *shudder* Mike P > I don't find it that much different down here once you're out of > London. It's certainley no worse than the North West really. It's a lot better. At the weekend I did a tour of Prescot, Haydock, Wigan, Bury, Bolton and Burnley. The North West is considerably worse than anywhere down here. Even Scumpton is more pleasant than any of those places. In article <90b9ac1e-09fe-49d7-acba-429f84f7d28d@ 24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Mike P says... > Like trying to park in the Trafford Centre or going into central Leeds > then I suppose? > > RG10 will show you where I live on google maps, It's really not > crowded at all. I spent a bit of time at RG12 9EA, some years ago. Where you are isn't too bad but 30 miles east is a different story. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > In article <90b9ac1e-09fe-49d7-acba-429f84f7d28d@ > 24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Mike P says... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I spent a bit of time at RG12 9EA, some years ago. Not too far from where we are. We looked at a couple of houses round that area a few weeks or so back before our estate agent found us somewhere about 100yds from where we live now but £100 a month cheaper. > Where you are isn't too bad but 30 miles east is a different story. Yes, it's a f.cking hellhole :-) Mike P > Not too far from where we are. We looked at a couple of houses round > that area a few weeks or so back before our estate agent found us > somewhere about 100yds from where we live now but £100 a month > cheaper. This is the horribly crowded corner of the SE where I live: http://tinyurl.com/m3qzyv As you can see the crowding is terrible. > This is the horribly crowded corner of the SE where I live: I thought that was the South, not South East. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > > This is the horribly crowded corner of the SE where I live: > > > I thought that was the South, not South East. Depends who you ask, people in Cornwall and London think it's SE. Conor <conor@gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Where you are isn't too bad but 30 miles east is a different story. How close are you to the centre of Hull? > Conor <conor@gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: > > > Where you are isn't too bad but 30 miles east is a different story. > > How close are you to the centre of Hull? 28 miles away. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> Like trying to park in the Trafford Centre or going into central Leeds >> then I suppose? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > I spent a bit of time at RG12 9EA, some years ago. Ewww, Mount Pleasant. Built on a graveyard, and rumour has it they didn't move all of the bodies like they said they would. What was living there like in reality? It's one of those places that really does give Bracknell a bad name, and a prime example of how a town can have some utterly shite areas, and some very nice ones. > Where you are isn't too bad but 30 miles east is a different story. Signature"For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died." > > I spent a bit of time at RG12 9EA, some years ago. > > Ewww, Mount Pleasant. I think I got the postcode wrong. It was actually Aborfield Garrison, Princess Marina Drive. But as its nearly 20 years ago, I'll forgive myself. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> > I spent a bit of time at RG12 9EA, some years ago. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Princess Marina Drive. But as its nearly 20 years ago, I'll forgive > myself. Heh. At a guess, that'll probably be RG2 9EA - that sounds like an Arborfield/Shinfield postcode. Signature"For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died." > As with all... depends on where, precisely. I find every facility in the > South East horribly overcrowded. Trying to find somewhere to park at a > shopping centre, cinema or similar. Eww. Errm well... my experience was that there's more crowding in Middlesbrough, Stockton, Manchester, York, Skipton, Bolton, Preston and particularly Nortallerton than I've ever experienced down here. If I look out of the back window I can see a field. Beyond that is a field. And then there's a field and a field beyond that and beyond that some fields then there are fields and a river and some fields and eventually after three miles one gets to a market town. As far as I can see the majority of notherners complaining about the poor living standards and crowding in the South East live in (ex) council houses on estates. Where you can't swing a cat without the neighbours coming round and setting fire to your car. > Errm well... my experience was that there's more crowding in > Middlesbrough, Stockton, Manchester, York, Skipton, Bolton, Preston and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > fields then there are fields and a river and some fields and eventually > after three miles one gets to a market town. So more crowded than where I live then. The nearest town is 10 miles away so I have ten miles of uninterrupted fields in every direction. The whole county only has 550,000 people in it. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > So more crowded than where I live then. Not really, you live in a town twice the size of the nearest place to me. And I don't live in the town, you do. >> Overcrowded South East in "not anywhere near as crap an idea as a place >> to live as most Northerners reckon it is" shocker :-) > > As with all... depends on where, precisely. Indeed - for every general part of the country, town, village, suburb, whatever, there are crap parts and good parts. > I find every facility in the South East horribly overcrowded. Trying to > find somewhere to park at a shopping centre, cinema or similar. Eww. Anyone with sense around here goes by bus to busy shopping centres, either by virtue of living right by a bus stop (handy, though the buses here don't run anything like remotely late, so pointless for getting home after a night out), or doing the park and ride thing. Just come home from work - using some busy roads, but no problem thanks to knowing the sensible ways to go in terms of congestion, and knowing how to take advantage of M4 J11 when it's all snarled up (i.e. the "right" lane to get in when all the others are queuing, and a backup plan if the plan fails ;-)). I did find myself wondering why the *f.ck* people use a notoriously congested road to commute on, day in day out, and how they don't get fed up with it, and think of a better way to do things. Signature"For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died." > Overcrowded South East in "not anywhere near as crap an idea as a place to > live as most Northerners reckon it is" shocker :-) Oh indeed there are nice places. I've spent quite a bit of time delivering down there as well as being posted in Berkshire in the Army. However, travelling anywhere by road is truly horrific and for someone who comes from a small town, the "shoulder to shoulder" feeling you get in London isn't that pleasant. And the crime rate is worse too. Both my brothers moved back up here after spending a good few years down there. Co-incided with the time their kids were walking. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > In article <RvGdnUGyIsoHx_XXnZ2dnUVZ8nmdn...@bt.com>, AstraVanMann > says... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > who comes from a small town, the "shoulder to shoulder" feeling you get > in London isn't that pleasant. I'm from Waterfoot in BB4, I know *exactly* what you mean. I really dislike London and avoid it at all costs. I avoided Manchester when I lived in Waterfoot for the same reason. I really don't like cities. > And the crime rate is worse too. In London, for sure, but again my mum's had her car vandalised, her garden done, the house burgled and a window put through in the last 4 years and where she lives is supposed to be "nice". In 13 years down here, I've had a car nicked (thanks, it was a shite old orion!) and my car broken into once, so not so bad. >Both my > brothers moved back up here after spending a good few years down there. > Co-incided with the time their kids were walking. We're going to stay for the time being, provided we can stay in this area. It's perfect for kids out on the chase with all the little play areas that are well tended by the council. I wouldn't entertain the idea of living 20 miles further east though Mike P Conor <conor@gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > However, travelling anywhere by road is truly horrific Because, of course, the M62 is such a barrel of laughs compared to pootling about the back lanes around the South Downs. > and for someone who comes from a small town, the "shoulder to shoulder" > feeling you get in London isn't that pleasant. That's urban vs rural, not north vs south - I'd suggest that the middle of Leeds or Manchester or Liverpool is a damn sight more "shoulder-to- shoulder" than a small town in, say, Dorset. > And the crime rate is worse too. Again - urban vs rural, nothing to do with north vs south. > Both my brothers moved back up here after spending a good few years > down there. Co-incided with the time their kids were walking. Where did they live down here, and where do they live up there? > > and for someone who comes from a small town, the "shoulder to shoulder" > > feeling you get in London isn't that pleasant. > > That's urban vs rural, not north vs south - I'd suggest that the middle > of Leeds or Manchester or Liverpool is a damn sight more "shoulder-to- > shoulder" than a small town in, say, Dorset. Conor doesn't live in a small town, it's more than twice as big as my local market town here in the 'crowded' south. > Conor doesn't live in a small town, it's more than twice as big as my > local market town here in the 'crowded' south. 11,000 people in Driffield area which also includes surrounding villages. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > > Conor doesn't live in a small town, it's more than twice as big as my > > local market town here in the 'crowded' south. > > 11,000 people in Driffield area which also includes surrounding > villages. Twice as many as the nearest town to me, 100 times as many as the population of the next nearest village, 500 times the population of my village, and yes it's a village, not a hamlet. > Because, of course, the M62 is such a barrel of laughs compared to > pootling about the back lanes around the South Downs. The M62 is precisely 34 miles from me and the busy part is over 60 miles away. > > and for someone who comes from a small town, the "shoulder to shoulder" > > feeling you get in London isn't that pleasant. > > That's urban vs rural, not north vs south - I'd suggest that the middle > of Leeds or Manchester or Liverpool is a damn sight more "shoulder-to- > shoulder" than a small town in, say, Dorset. We have just over 550,000 people spread over an area 1.5 times that of London. > > Both my brothers moved back up here after spending a good few years > > down there. Co-incided with the time their kids were walking. > Where did they live down here, One lived in Watford then moved to Letchworth and worked in Brent, the other in Leytonstone and worked on Fleet Street. > and where do they live up there? The one from Letchworth is now in Driffield doing the same job as he did down there but no longer at managerial level however is earning twice the money and the other who lived in Leytonstone has moved up to Sunderland as its safer there. Yes that's right, Sunderland is safer. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> Overcrowded South East in "not anywhere near as crap an idea as a place >> to >> live as most Northerners reckon it is" shocker :-) > > Oh indeed there are nice places. I've spent quite a bit of time > delivering down there as well as being posted in Berkshire in the Army. Aye - I remember you saying Wokingham being the nearest place to pop in to from Arborfield. > However, travelling anywhere by road is truly horrific Yes and no - I can get from home in Wokingham to Thatcham (depot I work out of) going back roads all the way, and taking only 5-10 minutes more (max) than it takes going the direct way - and that time's pretty much constant even when the M4's gridlocked. Though those back roads don't fare too well under serious flooding. Though I'm hoping to move to somewhere near Central Reading in the next year or so, and if and when I do, I'll do the cycle/train thing to get to work most days. Keep me fitter, and won't have the stress of potential queues getting back into Reading (Reading itself I've got sussed for most parts where I'd want to live - it's just getting past Theale, and dodging around that that I don't know if I could be arsed with, when I could be nipping along on the train and doing a sudoku). Signature"For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died." > In article <RvGdnUGyIsoHx_XXnZ2dnUVZ8nmdn...@bt.com>, AstraVanMann > says... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > However, travelling anywhere by road is truly horrific... ...'is the wrong answer'. Down here is like up there; some parts are congested, some aren't. > and for someone who comes from a small town, the "shoulder to shoulder" feeling you get > in London isn't that pleasant. And the crime rate is worse too. It might be a revelation to you, but... <whispers> ...the 'South East' has more to it that just 'that there London'. And the last time we did this, upyourstreet.com revealed that the crime rates where you are, aren't all that compared to where I am. Shall we do that one again? ;-) -- JackH > <whispers> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Shall we do that one again? ;-) I've moved since the last round, but apparently my neighbours still read broadsheets, particularly the Telegraph, The Times and Financial Times. SignatureDouglas In article <4c874847-8ec1-4377-b50c- 9856701b96bb@o15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... > And the last time we did this, upyourstreet.com revealed that the > crime rates where you are, aren't all that compared to where I am. > > Shall we do that one again? ;-) Yes because it was bullshit as the upmystreet.com included the whole county, including the crime ridden shithole of Bridlington and the druggie laced town of Goole. Since then, I've found the figures for my town. Total number of crimes in the 10 recorded Home Office categories for the Driffield and rural area was 632 from March 2008 to Feb 2009: http://tinyurl.com/lalktx Your turn. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > In article <4c874847-8ec1-4377-b50c- > 9856701b96bb@o15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > druggie laced town of Goole. Since then, I've found the figures for my > town. Hmm. If it included a whole local authority, I don't think my previous postcode would have fared so well. SignatureDouglas > > In article <4c874847-8ec1-4377-b50c- > > 9856701b9...@o15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Hmm. If it included a whole local authority, I don't think my previous > postcode would have fared so well. Well if we're working by Conors logic, the whole of the South East is to be judged by the stats for London. -- JackH > Hmm. If it included a whole local authority, I don't think my previous > postcode would have fared so well. That's the point. upmystreet.com DOES include the whole local authority. East Yorks is a fooking big county. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> Hmm. If it included a whole local authority, I don't think my previous >> postcode would have fared so well. > > That's the point. upmystreet.com DOES include the whole local > authority. East Yorks is a fooking big county. North Lanarkshire isn't geographically big, but it does include lots of areas decimated by the loss of mining and heavy industries. It's also not that far away from some of the more notorious eastern and northern parts of Glasgow. However, upmystreet still has this to say: "This type of postcode encompasses the most affluent people in the UK. They live in wealthy, high status suburban and semi-rural neighbourhoods, particularly in the Home Counties. Most are highly qualified professionals, senior executives and business owners, often in their 40s and 50s." If my last postcode was lumped with some of the places in North Lanarkshire, I'd be very surprised it came out how it does. Are you sure you don't just live in a shithole? (c: SignatureDouglas >>>>> This was for a 2nd Line Support role in London, not that great >>>>> location / pay wise. :-S [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Overcrowded South East in "not anywhere near as crap an idea as a place to > live as most Northerners reckon it is" shocker :-) I'm still not moving. Not to the SE or the t'North. (c: In the grand scheme of things I think I get paid quite well for what I do. Car insurance costs me naff all, there is very little traffic to commute in or otherwise and I haven't locked my car since about 1938. SignatureDouglas Douglas Payne <douggie@cheerful.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > and I haven't locked my car since about 1938. I left the 205 keys on the windowsill by the front door the other day after shifting it before I went to work. Ooops. With a house key on them. Ooops. Problem? Nah. > Douglas Payne <douggie@cheerful.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Problem? Nah. My house keys and car keys are on the same ring. I've lost count of the number of times I've come home from work, opened the door and left the keys in the lock outside. Overnight. I only realise when I can't find them in the morning.. Mike P Mike P <privacy@privacy.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> and I haven't locked my car since about 1938. >> I left the 205 keys on the windowsill by the front door the other day >> after shifting it before I went to work. Ooops. With a house key on >> them. Ooops. >> >> Problem? Nah. > My house keys and car keys are on the same ring. I've lost count of the > number of times I've come home from work, opened the door and left the > keys in the lock outside. Overnight. I only realise when I can't find > them in the morning.. Bin there, dun that. House key on each set of car keys. That's a lot of house keys. > My house keys and car keys are on the same ring. I've lost count of the > number of times I've come home from work, opened the door and left the > keys in the lock outside. Overnight. I only realise when I can't find > them in the morning.. Careful with info like that Mike, AVM knows where you live! Next thing you know, you'll be buying a car off him! (c: SignatureDouglas > Overcrowded South East in "not anywhere near as crap an idea as a place to > live as most Northerners reckon it is" shocker :-) The north is wonderful. There's so much space - you get shopping thoroughfares where > 50% of the shops are boarded up, the shops that aren't boarded up sell tat and there's loads of room because highly polluted ex industrial sites still haven't been redeveloped 10 years after they shut down, and by and large it's very difficult to find a decent restaurant. I remember finishing at uni in Sheffield, looking around and realising that the country had just had 10 years of good times, and it was just beginning to get to Sheffield in time for the recession. On the other hand, the beer is cheaper and better, the fish and chips are better, and people are in general a tad more polite to strangers than they are down south. > > Overcrowded South East in "not anywhere near as crap an idea as a place to > > live as most Northerners reckon it is" shocker :-) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > down, and by and large it's very difficult to find a decent > restaurant. Whereas in London you can find a restaurant, although it is likely to fail health standards, because streets which were once full of diverse shops are now an endless parade of ethnic eating outlets. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams In article <bebfc40f-e66c-411c-8d38-663d2c40c032 @o15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Mike P says... > > In article <15f60284-52e7-4754-b4ce-6ecf4aa1be23 > > @r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Mike P says... [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > odds, or we're actually slightly better off down here. Stuff like car > insurance is cheaper by about £15 a month too. Have you also factored in a cost for the time spent travelling? SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > In article <bebfc40f-e66c-411c-8d38-663d2c40c032 > @o15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Mike P says... [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Have you also factored in a cost for the time spent travelling? Takes me 20 mins to get to work, 30 on a bad day. Used to take me more than that to get from Waterfoot to Blackburn when I last worked up there in 2005. Mike P Conor <conor@gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Have you also factored in a cost for the time spent travelling? My commute is about 20min on a good day, and I've usually got a completely clear road ahead of me. My mother's last commute before she retired - from near Bakewell to the Liver Building was about 90min, and she used to reckon the traffic was OK as long as she got to the Runcorn bridge by about 7.45am. > My mother's last commute before she retired - from near Bakewell to the > Liver Building was about 90min, and she used to reckon the traffic was OK > as long as she got to the Runcorn bridge by about 7.45am. Jings she was brave to commute that distance. I wouldn't have thought of trying it from the last outpost of t'Peak before Cheshire. %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> My mother's last commute before she retired - from near Bakewell to the >> Liver Building was about 90min, and she used to reckon the traffic was >> OK as long as she got to the Runcorn bridge by about 7.45am. > Jings she was brave to commute that distance. I wouldn't have thought of > trying it from the last outpost of t'Peak before Cheshire. She was working from a branch office Wilmslow-way, which closed. Choice was retire early or move to group head office. > %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > She was working from a branch office Wilmslow-way, which closed. Choice > was retire early or move to group head office. I tried commuting from Kettleshulme to Alderley Edge for a time. Gave up and bought a place in Wilmslow. > In article <15f60284-52e7-4754-b4ce-6ecf4aa1be23 > @r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Mike P says... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Indeed. You'd make that up and then some in the reduced cost of living. But it would still mean living near the likes of you... and one can't really put a price on not having to do that. ;-) -- JackH In article <7f30a600-d9ff-4484-81e7-67989b2dbb77 @h18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... > But it would still mean living near the likes of you... You're judging the north on the high population densities of the South East. Whereas in Lundun village you have 8 million people packed into 1706sq km, we have just 590,000 spread out over 2479 sq km so there's plenty of space for you. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > In article <7f30a600-d9ff-4484-81e7-67989b2dbb77 > @h18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > km, we have just 590,000 spread out over 2479 sq km so there's plenty > of space for you. Yes, but as explained to you many times, the 'South East' consists of more than just London... and I don't live anywhere near London, either. -- JackH In article <2debdba4-20f8-497d-a173- 1ac9a123bc7f@q11g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... > > In article <7f30a600-d9ff-4484-81e7-67989b2dbb77 > > @h18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > more than just London... and I don't live anywhere near London, > either. Give me the county name so I can look for myself. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > In article <2debdba4-20f8-497d-a173- > 1ac9a123b...@q11g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Give me the county name so I can look for myself. Kent. -- JackH > > Give me the county name so I can look for myself. > > Kent. Geographically the front bottom to Arssex. In article <4b909d69-1ebc-4f86-92aa-4069e74e4145 @d32g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... > > > > Whereas in Lundun village you have 8 million people packed into 1706sq > > > > km, we have just 590,000 spread out over 2479 sq km so there's plenty [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Kent. So three times the population of East Yorkshire crammed into an area just 50% larger. What was that you were saying? SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams Conor <conor@gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > So three times the population of East Yorkshire crammed into an area > just 50% larger. Since I don't think I've ever been to a single county in the UK that's been completely homogenous and even in the population distribution, I'm not quite sure what your point is. As far as Kent goes, the wilds of Romney Marsh has about as much similarity to the Medway towns as the stockbroker belt around Tonbridge/ Tunbridge Wells does. Where I am, on the border of Herts & Bucks, has no similarity whatsoever to Hatfield or Aylesbury or MK. > Conor <co...@gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Where I am, on the border of Herts & Bucks, has no similarity whatsoever > to Hatfield or Aylesbury or MK. Like Twyford is nowhere like Reading I suppose, even though it's only 7 miles away. Mike P > In article <4b909d69-1ebc-4f86-92aa-4069e74e4145 > @d32g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > So three times the population of East Yorkshire crammed into an area > just 50% larger. Perhaps 'no-one wants to live there' might be the reason why where you live is so barren in terms of populous, ever considered that?. > What was that you were saying? I was saying I'm happy living here... and wonder why you feel the need to turn everything into some sort of willy waving contest, tbh. -- JackH In article <3a3768c3-1f56-481d-9dc7-3c9563c797d4 @c29g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... > Perhaps 'no-one wants to live there' might be the reason why where you > live is so barren in terms of populous, ever considered that?. The population increases considerably during summer and all you bikers seem to love it here. > > What was that you were saying? > > I was saying I'm happy living here... and wonder why you feel the need > to turn everything into some sort of willy waving contest, tbh. You were making comments about being forced to live next to me, shitstain. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > In article <3a3768c3-1f56-481d-9dc7-3c9563c797d4 > @c29g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The population increases considerably during summer... and all you bikers > seem to love it here. Never been there myself. Aside from anything else there are plenty of decent roads round here when I want to go out for a hoon on the bike. > > > What was that you were saying? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You were making comments about being forced to live next to me, > shitstain. Before you said 'that's what you get for living in the south east'? I think not. So with that in mind, can I just suggest that you might like to 'Go f.ck yourself'... that is, if you can drag those knuckles up off the floor for long enough to be able to service yourself. HTH -- JackH > In article <85b12c77-036d-43ea-a6f1- > 66cc7fee7...@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > That's what you get for living in the South East. I had no idea it was that time of year again. I mean, it is once a year when we have the same old 'north / south divide' bashing session, isn't it? :-P -- JackH > In article <85b12c77-036d-43ea-a6f1- > 66cc7fee7...@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > That's what you get for living in the South East. Up here, there's less > competition and the pay isn't massively different. ...is largely irrelevant really. Unless of course you happen to know where an exact match position wise has been advertised at the same time, and the agent advertising it is willing to reveal exactly how many calls they've had about it. That, and have you considered that if indeed such a comparison were available and it revealed that a similar vacancy where you are attracted less interest, it may be in part down to the fact that some people may have browsed their eyes over it, seen where it is and thought 'f.ck that, I'm not working there'. ;-) And finally... I hate commuting to London, did I mention that before? Looking at some of the other comments in this thread, even if it was that much cheaper to live where you are, and the work was that much more freely available, I still wouldn't move there. Not because I'm turning my nose up at the area, but because I've 'been there, done that' before, as in I've moved away in the past for the sake of a job and always ended up moving back to here. Maybe it's a little narrow minded of me, but I appreciate living where I am because all my family are here and I have a lot of friends here as well. :-) -- JackH In article <a4ebdc2b-30d4-4427-bff6-d3e81d1f2fcd@ 24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... > Looking at some of the other comments in this thread, even if it was > that much cheaper to live where you are, and the work was that much [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > there, done that' before, as in I've moved away in the past for the > sake of a job and always ended up moving back to here. I was thinking more of a whole quality of life rather than solely work. Lower crime, more space, less congestion, lower cost of living... SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > In article <a4ebdc2b-30d4-4427-bff6-d3e81d1f2fcd@ > 24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Lower crime... Nothing worth nicking or mugging where you live... :-P > more space... Overall. So what? Where I live is hardly overpopulated, and if I want 'open fields', there's plenty of that around here. > less congestion Yes, the whole of the South East is gridlocked, constantly... and it's all just like 'that there London' too. > lower cost of living... Debatable. -- JackH > In article <a4ebdc2b-30d4-4427-bff6-d3e81d1f2fcd@ > 24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, JackH says... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Lower crime, more space, less congestion, lower cost of living... This is area specific, not regional specific. I managed to find York's crime hotspot. As for the whole space, population density issues, as a mean, yes. But averages can lie. There are parts of York, Leeds, Huddersfield, Sheffield, Halifax, Bradford (so on and so forth) that have dense urban populations. The roads are just as congested. Sure - you don't have to travel so far to find less congestion, but for a nine-to-five commuters' perspective, there's not much in it. Lower salaries reflecting the lower cost of living, but as you know, the difference in the price of a litre of fuel isn't anything like as wide as the difference in salary. Bringing this back on topic, sort of, it won't cost much more to run a car over X miles in the South East as in the North, except it takes a greater proportion of earned income on a lower Northern salary. Why am I still in the North? Because I *like* it. Dad adapted to Greater London, no problem. I have the luxury of the choice not to... SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > Bringing this back on topic, sort of, it won't > cost much more to run a car over X miles in the South East as in the North, > except it takes a greater proportion of earned income on a lower Northern > salary. Want to bet? What's more economical: 1) Travelling 30 miles at the speed limit. 2) Crawling 30 miles with 25-50% of that time spent static and idling? SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> Bringing this back on topic, sort of, it won't >> cost much more to run a car over X miles in the South East as in the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > 1) Travelling 30 miles at the speed limit. > 2) Crawling 30 miles with 25-50% of that time spent static and idling? You're doing the whole "assuming everyone in the South East has a stupidly congested commute" thing again. It's not a North v South thing, it's a rural v urban thing. I'd hazard a guess that plenty of commutes up North fit description no. 2, and plenty of commutes down South fit description no. 1. Signature"For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died." > You're doing the whole "assuming everyone in the South East has a stupidly > congested commute" thing again. Nope. I'm going on my 1.8 million miles of experience driving all over this country. > It's not a North v South thing, it's a > rural v urban thing. So how come I can travel to Hull in the middle of rush hour quicker than I can get from Milton Keynes to the M25, a comparable distance? SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> You're doing the whole "assuming everyone in the South East has a >> stupidly [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So how come I can travel to Hull in the middle of rush hour quicker > than I can get from Milton Keynes to the M25, a comparable distance? Again, f.ck all to do with North v South, and everything to do with comparing one of the most notoriously congested bits of motorway in the country (bar the M25) with a 20 mile (roughly) drive through relatively quiet (at a guess, moderately busy at worst) A roads. You could do a very similar comparison involving a congested stretch of motorway up north (somewhere near Leeds/Manchester/Liverpool) and a relatively easy commute down south. Signature"For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died." > >> You're doing the whole "assuming everyone in the South East has a > >> stupidly [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > (somewhere near Leeds/Manchester/Liverpool) and a relatively easy commute > down south. Try the M6 around Birmingham (1). (1) Well actually, don't... unless you like sitting in traffic jams for hours. -- JackH > Again, f.ck all to do with North v South, and everything to do with > comparing one of the most notoriously congested bits of motorway in the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > (somewhere near Leeds/Manchester/Liverpool) and a relatively easy commute > down south. <<Try the M6 around Birmingham (1). (1) Well actually, don't... unless you like sitting in traffic jams for hours.>> I avoided mentioning that as die hard northerners might mention that it's not "proper north", which I suppose it's not. Signature"For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died." > > Again, f.ck all to do with North v South, and everything to do with > > comparing one of the most notoriously congested bits of motorway in the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I avoided mentioning that as die hard northerners might mention that it's > not "proper north", which I suppose it's not. It's still an example of a really shitty bit of congested road. Actually, this could be the thing that reunites the whole group. ;-) -- JackH On Jul 25, 9:23 pm, "AstraVanMann" <pe...@swerveweb.com> wrote: >> <<Try the M6 around Birmingham (1). >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Actually, this could be the thing that reunites the whole group. ;-) Would this be a bad time to mention that I've not had a bad M6 Birmingham experience for quite a while now :-) (yes, the fact that I've done it without trouble means everybody else must have been imagining the jams, and is nothing at all to do with the times I've been doing it...) > On Jul 25, 9:23 pm, "AstraVanMann" <pe...@swerveweb.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Would this be a bad time to mention that I've not had a bad M6 Birmingham > experience for quite a while now :-) I've been round it a few times recently and not had any major issues. Having a big chunk of it restircted to 50 through the roadworks means it flows a hell of a lot smoother. SignatureAlex "I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away" > I avoided mentioning that as die hard northerners might mention that it's > not "proper north", which I suppose it's not. Its called the Midlands for a reason.... SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> >> You're doing the whole "assuming everyone in the South East has a >> >> stupidly [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Try the M6 around Birmingham (1). No. Don't. Only idiots do that. Those with any sense choose the M6 toll. I reckon the £4.50 it costs can't be much less than the cost of fuel wasted sat in the jams if you take the non-toll route. Certainley worth it in terms of blood pressure and stress too :-) > (1) Well actually, don't... unless you like sitting in traffic jams for > hours. Tried driving into Leeds on the M62/M621 from the Manchester end at rush hour? It's much the same. I suppose it's still South East of where Conor lives though.. Mike P > >> >> You're doing the whole "assuming everyone in the South East has a > >> >> stupidly [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > No. Don't. Only idiots do that. Those with any sense choose the M6 toll. Not entirely true; those with any sense stay well away from Birmingham full stop. ;-) -- JackH > Tried driving into Leeds on the M62/M621 from the Manchester end at rush > hour? Yes. Adds 10 minutes to my journey whether you're entering from J27 M62 or from M1. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> Tried driving into Leeds on the M62/M621 from the Manchester end at >> rush hour? > > Yes. Adds 10 minutes to my journey whether you're entering from J27 M62 > or from M1. Then you were lucky. I spent a year driving from BB4 9LQ to Gelderd Road, 42 miles and a minimum of 90 mins in the morning to get there for 9am. Mike P > > In article <7d18cfF290tn...@mid.individual.net>, Mike P says... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Mike P Is Conor seriously claiming that 'it doesn't take long to get into Hull' is a good thing? -- SteveH >>> In article <7d18cfF290tn...@mid.individual.net>, Mike P says... >>>> Tried driving into Leeds on the M62/M621 from the Manchester end at [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Is Conor seriously claiming that 'it doesn't take long to get into > Hull' is a good thing? Hehehe, you came back a second time? You're brilliant. (c: SignatureDouglas > >> Tried driving into Leeds on the M62/M621 from the Manchester end at > >> rush hour? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Then you were lucky. I spent a year driving from BB4 9LQ to Gelderd Road, > 42 miles and a minimum of 90 mins in the morning to get there for 9am. I've spent many years doing it. Boards of Leeds is down Gelderd Road as is the access route to a printing company too. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >>> Tried driving into Leeds on the M62/M621 from the Manchester end at >>> rush hour? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Then you were lucky. I spent a year driving from BB4 9LQ to Gelderd Road, > 42 miles and a minimum of 90 mins in the morning to get there for 9am. Yeuck. Some colleagues do the trip into Leeds from the west side. Not something I do. York to Leeds isn't too bad if I'm early (leaving before seven), otherwise door to door, it's around 90 minutes for the 37 mile drive. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > Again, f.ck all to do with North v South, and everything to do with > comparing one of the most notoriously congested bits of motorway in the > country (bar the M25) with a 20 mile (roughly) drive through relatively > quiet (at a guess, moderately busy at worst) A roads. I wonder why its quiet. Couldn't have anything to do with the lower population density? FYI its the main route in the county into Hull. > You could do a very > similar comparison involving a congested stretch of motorway up north > (somewhere near Leeds/Manchester/Liverpool) and a relatively easy commute > down south. How come I can get to Hull quicker than I can from J13M1 to Bedford? SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > How come I can get to Hull quicker than I can from J13M1 to Bedford? Let me see, Hull, complete shitehole qith moribund industry, dying on its feet, and no one wants to live there except the drug dealers and pimps. I wonder why traffic should be light into that city? > > How come I can get to Hull quicker than I can from J13M1 to Bedford? > > Let me see, Hull, complete shitehole qith moribund industry, dying on > its feet, and no one wants to live there except the drug dealers and > pimps. I wonder why traffic should be light into that city? You say that like you think I give a sh.t. As they pay rock bottom money, I don't. The only reasons I have to go to Hull are hospital appointments. Even then, I'd rather go to Castle Hill which is still East Yorks even if only just. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > > > How come I can get to Hull quicker than I can from J13M1 to Bedford? > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You say that like you think I give a sh.t. No, I say it like I think you'll realise that there's a reason that traffic to Hull is light. > As they pay rock bottom money, I don't. The only reasons I have to go to > Hull are hospital appointments. Even then, I'd rather go to Castle Hill > which is still East Yorks even if only just. Bedford, a place where people seem to want to be, Hull a place where even the locals like you don't want to go. >> You're doing the whole "assuming everyone in the South East has a >> stupidly congested commute" thing again. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > So how come I can travel to Hull in the middle of rush hour quicker than > I can get from Milton Keynes to the M25, a comparable distance? Hmm. That's a fair comparison. One of the busiest bits of road in the country, to a bit, that's well, not. How about comparing it to driving from Burnley to the GMEX arena in Manchester, a comparable distance, via Rawtenstall, the M66 and M62 then down Bury New Road. MK to the M25 would be quicker.. Mike P >> You're doing the whole "assuming everyone in the South East has a >> stupidly >> congested commute" thing again. > > Nope. I'm going on my 1.8 million miles of experience driving all over > this country. You're doing a SteveH here. You're saying that your personal experience is correct, but the experience of everybody else is somehow wrong. >> It's not a North v South thing, it's a >> rural v urban thing. > > So how come I can travel to Hull in the middle of rush hour quicker > than I can get from Milton Keynes to the M25, a comparable distance? Who knows. It isn't a like for like trip. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > > Nope. I'm going on my 1.8 million miles of experience driving all over > > this country. > > You're doing a SteveH here. Nope. > You're saying that your personal experience is > correct, but the experience of everybody else is somehow wrong. I'm saying that as someone who has driven all over the UK on a regular basis rather than the odd one off, I've a better overall picture than most on here who will have snippets at best. > >> It's not a North v South thing, it's a > >> rural v urban thing. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Who knows. It isn't a like for like trip. Indeed. One is a single carriage A road with an average speed of 50MPH, the other is a 3 lane motorway, opening to 5. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > I'm saying that as someone who has driven all over the UK on a regular > basis rather than the odd one off, I've a better overall picture than > most on here who will have snippets at best. You've probably got a better overall picture of the main trunk road/motorway network across the whole country, but on the whole still seem blissfully unaware that a lot of people's commutes in the SE aren't on congested traffic-ridden roads. >> >> It's not a North v South thing, it's a >> >> rural v urban thing. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Indeed. One is a single carriage A road with an average speed of 50MPH, > the other is a 3 lane motorway, opening to 5. Exactly. So what's likely to have fuckloads more traffic on, and much more chance of serious congestion? Signature"For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died." > You've probably got a better overall picture of the main trunk road/motorway > network across the whole country, but on the whole still seem blissfully > unaware that a lot of people's commutes in the SE aren't on congested > traffic-ridden roads. I've yet to find a main A road that isn't. For example, the A120 from the M11 all the way to Colchester is f.cked during rush hour. > > Indeed. One is a single carriage A road with an average speed of 50MPH, > > the other is a 3 lane motorway, opening to 5. > > Exactly. So what's likely to have fuckloads more traffic on, And its built for far higher capacity. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> You've probably got a better overall picture of the main trunk >> road/motorway [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I've yet to find a main A road that isn't. For example, the A120 from > the M11 all the way to Colchester is f.cked during rush hour. By "main A road" you're on about primary routes (i.e. the green ones on maps), right? Varies entirely on the area in question, and the area of the country is pretty much irrelevant. The road into Hull you talk of hardly serves any particularly great population centres - Beverley, Brid, Driffield, maybe York at a push. I'd bet that the A63, which carries all the traffic from the M62, and from slightly bigger places, such as Sheffield, Leeds and Manchester, gets a tad more busy. Take Henley for example - come into Henley from the Reading side of things and it's a pain in the arse - but from the North side it's rarely anything remotely resembling heavy traffic. But surely it can't be - it's in the South-East, so it must be gridlocked and f.cked from all directions. >> > Indeed. One is a single carriage A road with an average speed of 50MPH, >> > the other is a 3 lane motorway, opening to 5. >> >> Exactly. So what's likely to have fuckloads more traffic on, > > And its built for far higher capacity. Because it desperately needs it. But they could increase the capacity all they like, and the number of lanes on the M25 would still limit things massively. Exactly the same situation on the M25 Heathrow stretch - 5/6 lanes for where they've done it - great for getting between the M4 and the M3 (but even then they f.cked it up as all the southbound traffic has to squeeze into one lane for the benefit of the tiny proportion of people heading to Sunbury from that direction, only to go back into two lanes straight afterwards), but if you're heading for Gatwick/Kent, then you get the treat of being squeezed into 3 lanes for J11 (probably thanks to some NIMBYs around Chertsey whingeing that that's what would be needed). All it does in reality is f.ck up the traffic flow of the whole motorway at peak times, where virtually no detriment would be seen if they had 4 through lanes and just normal sliproads - after all, how many times do you hear of queues on the M25 going around to J11 and clearing after that? Not saying it's the only cause of congestion, but it's a very simple cause (and potential solution) of a lot of it around there. Signature"For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died." > >> You've probably got a better overall picture of the main trunk > >> road/motorway [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > By "main A road" you're on about primary routes (i.e. the green ones on > maps), right? Not just those. > Varies entirely on the area in question, and the area of the country is > pretty much irrelevant. The road into Hull you talk of hardly serves any > particularly great population centres - Beverley, Brid, Driffield, maybe > York at a push. I'd bet that the A63, which carries all the traffic from > the M62, and from slightly bigger places, such as Sheffield, Leeds and > Manchester, gets a tad more busy. Hardly. At most, it queues from St Andrews Quay but thats already within Hull. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> Bringing this back on topic, sort of, it won't cost much more to run a >> car over X miles in the South East as in the North, except it takes a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 1) Travelling 30 miles at the speed limit. 2) Crawling 30 miles with > 25-50% of that time spent static and idling? Eh? That'd be rural vs urban rather than North vs South then would it Conor? My commute is 14 miles each way, generally costs me about £15 a week in petrol and I don't hang about. Mike P > In article <JridndNUAf0_LPfXnZ2dnUVZ8hWdn...@bt.com>, DervMan says... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Want to bet? Aye: The bet is, is a post of the nature below an indicator that you're a tightarsed pikey... or not? 'Prace bets now' > What's more economical: > > 1) Travelling 30 miles at the speed limit. > 2) Crawling 30 miles with 25-50% of that time spent static and idling? 3) Staying at home, w.nking on and on to anyone that'll listen that how great it is where you live compared to that there London, because anyone living in the South East is in fact living in that there London. You my friend, have some serious self assurance issues which manifest themselves by way of your fairly constant need to reassure yourself that 'we're better than you, and we know it'. -- JackH > You my friend, have some serious self assurance issues which manifest > themselves by way of your fairly constant need to reassure yourself > that 'we're better than you, and we know it'. It's called "being a Yorkshireman". They completley screwed over their industry with their pig-headed belief in "I'm a Yorkshireman, you should pay me top whack and I can be arsed I'll knock up something shite and tell you it's the best in the world" attitude. It ruined coal mining, steel, construction and engineering in Yorkshire, the inbuilt assumption that a Yorkshireman knows better than anyone else what they need. >> You my friend, have some serious self assurance issues which manifest >> themselves by way of your fairly constant need to reassure yourself [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Yorkshire, the inbuilt assumption that a Yorkshireman knows better than > anyone else what they need. LOL! *remembers the Leeds International Airport Hale and Pace from many years ago* I like living in York. Yorkies think they're better than anybody else in the area and most aren't quite bright enough to detect if I'm being sarcastic when they're spouting on about Yorkshire. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > I like living in York. Yorkies think they're better than anybody else in > the area and most aren't quite bright enough to detect if I'm being > sarcastic when they're spouting on about Yorkshire. I was up that way not long ago meeting relatives. "Firth" is a bit of a clue to my mixed Scottish/Yorkshire ancestry although on my grandmothers side the family is Lancastrian (leads to "interesting" family meetings). I was assured over and over again that my cousin is the one in the family who is doing better than anyone else, because he owns his own home, runs his own business and is "a good local businessman". He lives in a 2up2down, drives a van and is as poor as a church mouse. But he's Yorkshire the rest of the family who all do better in terms of money and property live in the "namby pamby South where the beer's shite" so we don't count. Not even the other cousin who owns one of the UK bigger helicopter servicing and repair companies and makes more in a week than I do in a year. Funny folk, Yorkshiremen. . "Firth" is a bit of a > clue to my mixed Scottish/Yorkshire ancestry although on my grandmothers > side the family is Lancastrian (leads to "interesting" family meetings). Sums up why you've an attitude. The war of the roses ended quite a long time ago. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > . "Firth" is a bit of a > > clue to my mixed Scottish/Yorkshire ancestry although on my grandmothers > > side the family is Lancastrian (leads to "interesting" family meetings). > > Sums up why you've an attitude. The war of the roses ended quite a long > time ago. As soon as Yorkshiremen lighten and get a sense of proportion I'll do the same. It's not going to happen this millennium though, is it? > As soon as Yorkshiremen lighten and get a sense of proportion I'll do > the same. It's not going to happen this millennium though, is it? I was trying to think what was worth a toss in Lancashire and the simple answer is nothing. The best you can do is a knackered dirty seaside resort which isn't surprising given that Lancastrians produce the most amount of sh.t per capita. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> As soon as Yorkshiremen lighten and get a sense of proportion I'll do >> the same. It's not going to happen this millennium though, is it? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > seaside resort which isn't surprising given that Lancastrians produce > the most amount of sh.t per capita. Leck Fell has some pretty good caves. Forest of Bowland, Trough of Bowland are very nice. Lancaster itself is ok for a city. (and all of those are not too far from me, but on the other side of the border...) > >> As soon as Yorkshiremen lighten and get a sense of proportion I'll do > >> the same. It's not going to happen this millennium though, is it? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Leck Fell has some pretty good caves. Forest of Bowland, Trough of Bowland > are very nice. Lancaster itself is ok for a city. I'll hold my hands up and admit to having only really seen the road off the motorway and the one way loop in the middle. SignatureConor www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > The best you can do is a knackered dirty > seaside resort which isn't surprising given that Lancastrians produce > the most amount of sh.t per capita. <cough> Forest of Bowland. Anyway, you're talkin to the wrong man, I wasn't born a Lancastrian. >> The best you can do is a knackered dirty >> seaside resort which isn't surprising given that Lancastrians produce [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Anyway, you're talkin to the wrong man, I wasn't born a Lancastrian. I was. SignaturePete M - OMF#9 '62 Rover P4 100 '61 Rover P5 3 litre '72 Rover P6 3500 Auto '78 Escort 1300 Sport '96 Volvo 850 T5 CD Estate "It's an Alfa, it will go wrong, it will piss you off, why should your Alfa experience be different from everyone else's. Now get back out there and swear at it before something else breaks." > > Anyway, you're talkin to the wrong man, I wasn't born a Lancastrian. > > I was. How did you manage that? Weren't you likely to be born as a Cestrian? As indeed I was, because the big maternity hospitals were in Cheshire and even back then moving people long distances for healthcare seemed to be a trick that the NHS loved to do. >>> Anyway, you're talkin to the wrong man, I wasn't born a Lancastrian. >> I was. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > even back then moving people long distances for healthcare seemed to be > a trick that the NHS loved to do. Born in Oxford St, Liverpool when Liverpool was part of Lancashire (Pre-74) SignaturePete M - OMF#9 '62 Rover P4 100 '61 Rover P5 3 litre '72 Rover P6 3500 Auto '78 Escort 1300 Sport '96 Volvo 850 T5 CD Estate "It's an Alfa, it will go wrong, it will piss you off, why should your Alfa experience be different from everyone else's. Now get back out there and swear at it before something else breaks." > >>> Anyway, you're talkin to the wrong man, I wasn't born a Lancastrian. > >> I was. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Born in Oxford St, Liverpool when Liverpool was part of Lancashire (Pre-74) Ah righto, for some reason I had you down as Debtor's Retreat. >>>>> Anyway, you're talkin to the wrong man, I wasn't born a Lancastrian. >>>> I was. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Ah righto, for some reason I had you down as Debtor's Retreat. Oooh, you bitch! SignaturePete M - OMF#9 '62 Rover P4 100 '61 Rover P5 3 litre '72 Rover P6 3500 Auto '78 Escort 1300 Sport '96 Volvo 850 T5 CD Estate "It's an Alfa, it will go wrong, it will piss you off, why should your Alfa experience be different from everyone else's. Now get back out there and swear at it before something else breaks." >> Bringing this back on topic, sort of, it won't >> cost much more to run a car over X miles in the South East as in the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > 1) Travelling 30 miles at the speed limit. > 2) Crawling 30 miles with 25-50% of that time spent static and idling? What car? In a Prius there would be nothing in it. Besides, this doesn't put it into context. Point to point, my average speeds and fuel consumptions are as identical as statistically proven between driving in and around York's ring road, and driving in and around Crystal Palace. Advantage: neither the north nor the south. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > Advantage: neither the north nor the south. TBH the absolute worst traffic jams I encounter are in the Midlands/North. I've been up to PReston recently and that was a bloody nightmare - it always is - with traffic jams around Brum, Stafford, Stoke, Manchester I was glad to see the end of it. At one point I was considering using the M5 but got a traffic alert that the M5 northbound was stationary from Redditch to the M6. I don't see jams like that in the South. Even on a good day in the North, it's sh.t. Travelling M1/M18/A1M as I used to, often, even if the traffic was moving it was rarely doing much more than 50mph. The exception was the M18 where all traffic except trucks seems to exceed 100mph from the M1 to the A1. The A1M is congested at almost all times of day and night, and the average Yorkie drives like a complete twat which doesn't help. They'll either be doing the "I know my rights" trick of driving at 65mph in lane 3 refusing to pull over for anything or they'll suicidally try to swerve in front of other cars to slow them down, particulary on the A1M near York. > My girlfriend recently applied for a job, which looked pretty good but had > what I thought would be a fairly uncommon set of required experience, which [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > been selected for interview...", but that there were over 300 applicants > for one job! Since getting my results through I've only applied for one job (the plan was to do a masters), the interview was on Monday (5 others) and I'm waiting for the "unfortunately you didn't get the position" letter. Still sounds like just getting the interview was lucky. |
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