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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / General Car Topics (UK group) / June 2005VW reliability and build quality?
Hi, Re the subject - are new VWs any good in this regard or are they living on past reputation? Anyone know where the Golf is made? Thanks, John. > Hi, > > Re the subject - are new VWs any good in this regard or are they living on > past reputation? Anyone know where the Golf is made? They are still better than anything French or Italian but nowhere near as good as they were. They took a bit of a beating over reliability with the faulty coil packs on some engines a few years back now. In news:%n3ue.86$yo5.12@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net, Depresion <blank@128.0.0.1> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows >> Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > reliability with the faulty coil packs on some engines a few years > back now. Um, the build quality of the Mk5 is abysmal, or was on the early ones. I've not tried one for six months or so. Reliability was really, amazingly bad. So bad you just wouldn't believe.  SignaturePete M "Has owned more Alfas than Steve H" Range Rover Vogue SE, Porsche 911 Carrera 3.2 Ford Capri (ressurection started) COSOC #5 Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain > Re the subject - are new VWs any good in this regard or are they living on > past reputation? Anyone know where the Golf is made? Our Passat from the nineties has some of the worst electrics of any car I've owned. > Hi, > > Re the subject - are new VWs any good in this regard or are they > living on past reputation? Anyone know where the Golf is made? The Mk5 golf does not have a good reputation , and the previous shape passat I used was a bit suspect in places. By contrast Skodas now have a much better reputation for being well screwed togther SignatureAlex Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!" Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!" www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk >> Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > By contrast Skodas now have a much better reputation for being well > screwed togther Thanks all - I wonder if the new Golf is built in Germany still? The Skodas and VWs are effectively the same car so I find it odd, although I have read it in several places, that the Skodas are better put together and have better reliability than VWs. Maybe the German car workers have lost the plot? I have been looking at Golf/Golf Plus but my gut questions the reliability of them compared to Hondas and Toyotas, etc. You seem to pay a BIG premium for a VW but I have a hankering that you are paying for past reputation. I was reading on www.edmunds.com (Good US car forum) that Honda and Toyota have put their prices up in the US due to such increased demand as people look at the superior reliability, supposedly, and better bang for buck basic spec over the likes of GM, Ford and the likes of VW. > I have been looking at Golf/Golf Plus but my gut questions the reliability > of them compared to Hondas and Toyotas, etc. You seem to pay a BIG premium [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > look at the superior reliability, supposedly, and better bang for buck > basic spec over the likes of GM, Ford and the likes of VW. Well I've been driving a Passat TDi and build quality, reliability and fuel economy have been faultless. Still, for absolute reliability the Toyota and Honda will be in front. You do pay a premium for a VW, but you may get that back in its residual value, worth checking this out before you buy. >> I have been looking at Golf/Golf Plus but my gut questions the >> reliability of them compared to Hondas and Toyotas, etc. You seem to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Well I've been driving a Passat TDi and build quality, reliability > and fuel economy have been faultless. I had a passat tdi (100bhp) for a week and found it to be very poor on fuel (18mpg less than my octavia when driven *very* gently) and while nothing broke of fell off in 700 miles , there were some bits that felt quite cheap and nasty. The whole door card felt very flimsy and could be pused and pulled about easily. > Still, for absolute > reliability the Toyota and Honda will be in front. > > You do pay a premium for a VW, but you may get that back in its > residual value, worth checking this out before you buy. Yep , while people believe they are A1 then the sale price will reflect that SignatureAlex Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!" Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!" www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.sffh.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk >>> I have been looking at Golf/Golf Plus but my gut questions the >>> reliability of them compared to Hondas and Toyotas, etc. You seem to [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Yep , while people believe they are A1 then the sale price will reflect > that I've had a 53 Golf 100PS TDI estate since Jan 04, done over 60K, average consumption to date (I've kept VERY careful records) is 43.98mpg - and I carry serious weight in the back and ladders on the roof daily, and do 50/50 motorway/urban (mostly London), so I'm impressed. Serviced at independent place (except first service) every 10K. Only problems have been leaking washer bottle and something up with the tube for the squirty headlamp washer. Happy to recommend. Hamish > I've had a 53 Golf 100PS TDI estate since Jan 04, done over 60K, average > consumption to date (I've kept VERY careful records) is 43.98mpg - and I > carry serious weight in the back and ladders on the roof daily, and do > 50/50 motorway/urban (mostly London), so I'm impressed. I was driving the Passat down the M6 the other day (1.9 TDi 115ps), doing about 75-80mph, I'd been on the road about an hour. I glanced down at the trip computer and the overall fuel consumption for the journey thus far was 58mpg! By the time I got into West London it had dropped but still exceeded 50mpg. Performance is great too., They're just fab engines. > > I've had a 53 Golf 100PS TDI estate since Jan 04, done over 60K, average > > consumption to date (I've kept VERY careful records) is 43.98mpg - and I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > 58mpg! By the time I got into West London it had dropped but still exceeded > 50mpg. Performance is great too., They're just fab engines. My lass boss had a V6 TDI - quite a remarkable piece of kit. SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Passat 1.8 Turbo SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # I don't think much of the vw range in way of quality anymore. gearboxes, coils, clutches, trim............ on contrast, the Skoda I and others I know of are a lot better that the vw built cars. -- -- Kind Regards Neil B Orange CS - +447837614753 Live Life in the Fast Lane - www.blueyonder.co.uk http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/lucy_pargeter > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > John. > on contrast, the Skoda I and others I know of are a lot better that the vw > built cars. I don't understand this as they are effectively the same cars built, mostly, by robots???? Is a Skoda robot better than a VW robot? >> on contrast, the Skoda I and others I know of are a lot better that >> the vw built cars. > I don't understand this as they are effectively the same cars built, > mostly, by robots???? Is a Skoda robot better than a VW robot? The robots only put together the bits. If the bits are poorly fitting and made of kleenex, you're not going to get a superb end result. Besides, there's a LOT more manual labour in building a car than you think. > I don't understand this as they are effectively the same cars built, > mostly, by robots???? Is a Skoda robot better than a VW robot? But they're not the same are they, what would be the point? Yes, mechanically all very similar but not exactly the same, and finish on the VWs is definitely ahead of the Skodas. >> I don't understand this as they are effectively the same cars built, >> mostly, by robots???? Is a Skoda robot better than a VW robot? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yes, mechanically all very similar but not exactly the same, and > finish on the VWs is definitely ahead of the Skodas. As a skoda driver I'll happily accept that some VW parts are of a higher standard , others are identical. As an example the interior door panels in a colleagues golf are more padded and feel of a slightly higher quality than my octy. All the oily bits however have the same part number for vw and skoda In favour of the skoda though the car will be higher specced and cost probably 10% less for a larger vehicle (octy v golf , superb v pastie) and will be better assembled with less faults in the cars lifetime SignatureAlex Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!" Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!" www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.sffh.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk > In favour of the Skoda though the car will be higher specced and cost > probably 10% less for a larger vehicle (octy v golf , superb v pastie) Agreed. > and will be better assembled with less faults in the cars lifetime Don't bet on it. The reason VW does worse than Skoda in the JD Power satisfaction survey and similar is because VW drivers have higher expectations of reliability so are more disappointed when problems occur. As you said, mechanically they are very similar so big differences in actual reliability / number of breakdowns are unlikely. > Hi, > > Re the subject - are new VWs any good in this regard or are they living on > past reputation? Anyone know where the Golf is made? I have never had much luck with the reliability of VW cars. Their reputation is one carefully and blatantly cultivated by VW themselves through their advertising agencies. In the USA their reputation is sh.t. IMO they are not as bad as 80's Leyland cars but nowhere near as reliable as modern Japanese stuff. Just average is where I would put them and as far as the modern Golf is concerned then just behind the Ford Focus. Which means it is again, just average. Huw > I have never had much luck with the reliability of VW cars. Their reputation > is one carefully and blatantly cultivated by VW themselves through their > advertising agencies. Yup. VW has been pretty consistent with the tone of thier advertising for the last 20 years, as far as I can remember. Eventually hype is accepted as fact, it would seem. > In the USA their reputation is sh.t. IMO they are not as bad as 80's Leyland > cars but nowhere near as reliable as modern Japanese stuff. Just average is > where I would put them and as far as the modern Golf is concerned then just > behind the Ford Focus. Which means it is again, just average. Although the Focus seems to come out very well in reliability/warranty claim surveys - in fact in one recent one the Focus came out ahead of the Toyota Corolla for warranty claims, so I'd have thought it was a bit above average. > Huw |
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