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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / General Car Topics (UK group) / June 2005What enforcement *do* we want then?
OK, so speed cameras are a no. ANPR vans seem to be a yes. Common sense using traffic police are a yes. What other forms of enforcement are liked/disliked around here then? And why? > OK, so speed cameras are a no. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What other forms of enforcement are liked/disliked around here then? And why? No automated system can hold a candle to a well trained police officer. ANPR is only any good if the car is running the correct plates and is no use for things like bikes and only a real person can currently tell if that bit of driving/riding was dangerous or not. > OK, so speed cameras are a no. I'd like to refine that to inappropriately placed speed cameras - there are some near me on a straight, busy 30mph road which passes through the middle of a residential/shopping area with schools nearby, which is fine and exactly the purpose they were designed for IMO. On the other hand there's another one under a bridge on a dual carriageway in a fenced off cutting (so no pedestrians). It's in a 60mph limit about 100 yards before a NSL sign, where vehicles are likely to be accelerating out of a bend and up a hill. A tad cynical perhaps? > OK, so speed cameras are a no. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > What other forms of enforcement are liked/disliked around here then? And > why? Should I mention that I think the whole idea of SORN is a bit pointless and futile? :-) Peter >> What other forms of enforcement are liked/disliked around here then? > Should I mention that I think the whole idea of SORN is a bit > pointless and futile? :-) D'you know, Peter, I had a feeling you thought that. I can't figure how I might have guessed... > >> What other forms of enforcement are liked/disliked around here then? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > D'you know, Peter, I had a feeling you thought that. I can't figure how I > might have guessed... I'd just like to add.... Bugger me, I've never started a thread with that kind of mileage before :-)) Steve >> >> What other forms of enforcement are liked/disliked around here then? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Bugger me, I've never started a thread with that kind of mileage before > :-)) I'd say it's the crosspost to uk.rec.driving that does it. Works every time. I think we should have a competition - start a thread with a mildly controversial topic, crosspost it to at least one uk.rec.cars.* group, uk.rec.driving (and possibly uk.rec.motorcycles), leave it a week and take bets on how many posts will be in the thread after that week's up :-) I normally get bored after a while, but for unknown reason, I've bothered, this time..... Peter > I think we should have a competition - start a thread with a mildly > controversial topic, crosspost it to at least one uk.rec.cars.* group, > uk.rec.driving (and possibly uk.rec.motorcycles), leave it a week and > take bets on how many posts will be in the thread after that week's up > :-) No, no, no. uk.transport & uk.rec.cycling. It's the ONLY way. >> I think we should have a competition - start a thread with a mildly >> controversial topic, crosspost it to at least one uk.rec.cars.* group, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > uk.transport & uk.rec.cycling. It's the ONLY way. I dunno, I reckon the cars groups have got at least a small number of people capable of dragging on a thread for a fair old while :-) And same for UKRM. Peter >>>I think we should have a competition - start a thread with a mildly >>>controversial topic, crosspost it to at least one uk.rec.cars.* group, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Peter I think you're right; cross posting to u.r.c. is like Pavlov standing there ringing his dinner bell.  SignatureHalmyre In news:P72ue.44749$Vj3.17782@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk, PC Paul <me@home.com> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows > OK, so speed cameras are a no. Traffic light cameras are a definate yes, speed cameras in cynical places are most definately a no. > ANPR vans seem to be a yes. No problem with them. > Common sense using traffic police are a yes. Indeed, if you're nicked by TrafPlod and can't explain why you were doing something silly then it's a fair cop. > What other forms of enforcement are liked/disliked around here then? Richard Brunstrom type "Policing" is a definate no-no. Treating the motorist as a cash cow is totally out of order. Motorists already get milked to death by the cost of insurance, road tax, fuel tax, crazy possible servicing regulations, parking costs, parking fines, SORN, and generally being made to pay for everything the Gubbermint can't find money for without raiding the Iraq War piggy bank. Being prosecuted for 42 mph on an out of town dual carriageway, such as the A34 in Staffordshire (17 cameras each way in a 30 mile stretch) on a clear, dry Sunday morning just stinks of easy revenue gathering. The likes of Brunstrom putting screwing the motorist as first priority instead of dealing with other, more important social issues in N.Wales - such as the rise in heroin dealing etc, are truly insane. "Safety" cameras on the unpopulated moorland roads across North Wales is a prime example. Accidents out there are very rare indeed, yet on a run I did on Monday night I saw far more speed cameras in rural moorland than in the whole of Merseyside. My answer would be less cameras, more TrafPlod, better trained TrafPlod, and not using TrafPlod for other things. Use them for high speed stuff, such as escorting Ambulances etc by all means. Using them for road closures at public events seems to me to be a waste of valuable resources. Surely local PandaPlod would be better for such things? TrafPlod seem to me to be some of the more intelligent officers out there. The PandaPlod seem much more uptight about silly infringements of motoring law. Especially when put right on the laws they try to frighten you with. SignaturePete M "Has owned more Alfas than Steve H" Range Rover Vogue SE, Ford Capri (ressurection stalling) Porsche 911 3.2 (For Sale) COSOC #5 Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain In news:42b952e6$0$18640$14726298@news.sunsite.dk, Pete M <pete.murray@blue-nopressedmeat-yonder.co.uk> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows > In news:P72ue.44749$Vj3.17782@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk, > PC Paul <me@home.com> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > A34 in Staffordshire (17 cameras each way in a 30 mile stretch) on a > clear, dry Sunday morning just stinks of easy revenue gathering. Oh, and I'd like to point out that I've never been caught by a "safety" camera for anything. I have, however, been done for speeding on many occasions in the past. When I've been caught by a TrafPlod doing silly speeds, they've been reasonable with me "I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to do you for going that quickly, however, I'll put that you were doing 68, and not the 88 that you were doing. I'd have just given you a bollocking, but you're 20 mph above that.. Nice stretch of road this, I'd have been doing the same as you, but I'd have got away with it..." SignaturePete M "Has owned more Alfas than Steve H" Range Rover Vogue SE, Ford Capri (ressurection stalling) Porsche 911 3.2 (For Sale) COSOC #5 Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain > OK, so speed cameras are a no. They get my support when used in the correct place and are appropriately signed. > ANPR vans seem to be a yes. > > Common sense using traffic police are a yes. Agreed on both > What other forms of enforcement are liked/disliked around here then? Traffic light cameras are a big plus from me. SignatureAlex Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!" Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!" www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk >> OK, so speed cameras are a no. > > They get my support when used in the correct place and are appropriately > signed. Yep. There are some sensible ones. About 1/3 of them? And *why* isn't a speed limit repeater part of the road furniture around them?? I know you *should* know but clearly many people don't know what the hell limit they are trying to keep to when they see a camera - hence the many back enders near cameras. >> ANPR vans seem to be a yes. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Traffic light cameras are a big plus from me. Yup. With you there. Especially if they can run a continuous video loop, kept for say 24 hours, so when a dozy ped walks under a car it can be seen whose fault it really was. Or viccy verccy obviosuly. >>> OK, so speed cameras are a no. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > hell limit they are trying to keep to when they see a camera - hence > the many back enders near cameras. Indeed. I've lost count of the number of times ive seen people doing 5mph under the limit stand on the brakes , and to be fair when I've seen a camera and not been sure of the limit (in a strange place) I've sometimes err'd on the side of caution and slowed to 30 in a 40 (gently though) >>> ANPR vans seem to be a yes. >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > loop, kept for say 24 hours, so when a dozy ped walks under a car it > can be seen whose fault it really was. Or viccy verccy obviosuly. Hell yes :0) SignatureAlex Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!" Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!" www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.sffh.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk > OK, so speed cameras are a no. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > What other forms of enforcement are liked/disliked around here then? And > why? There's nothing wrong with the enforcing laws, the problem is that the laws are stupid. Some speed limits are reasonable, but many are just silly and should be increased. > > OK, so speed cameras are a no. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > laws are stupid. Some speed limits are reasonable, but many are just > silly and should be increased. Sorry but "Real Story" this monday proved you completely wrong. It demonstrated without any shadow of a doubt, car drivers are completely incapable of juging a safe speed for the conditions. SignatureConor -You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git. (Monty Python) >>> OK, so speed cameras are a no. >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > demonstrated without any shadow of a doubt, car drivers are completely > incapable of juging a safe speed for the conditions. But lorry drivers are all capable of doing so and reaching a gentlemens agreement to exceed the limit by 10mph? SignatureAlex Hermes: "We can't afford that! Especially not Zoidberg!" Zoidberg: "They took away my credit cards!" www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.sffh.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk > > Sorry but "Real Story" this monday proved you completely wrong. It > > demonstrated without any shadow of a doubt, car drivers are completely > > incapable of juging a safe speed for the conditions. > > But lorry drivers are all capable of doing so and reaching a gentlemens > agreement to exceed the limit by 10mph? Difference is they tend not to crash on obvious bad roads. SignatureConor -You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git. (Monty Python) In news:MPG.1d242796776649cd98a083@news.individual.net, Conor <conor.turton@gmail.com> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows >>> Sorry but "Real Story" this monday proved you completely wrong. It >>> demonstrated without any shadow of a doubt, car drivers are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> > Difference is they tend not to crash on obvious bad roads. What a load of utter bollocks. Lorry drivers *are* good, but they're not that bloody special. For proof, just watch the utter chaos caused for thousands of motorists every hour by Artic drivers 56.0 mph uphill overtaking a truck doing 55.99999 mph manouvers. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen Artics fall over on roundabouts. SignaturePete M "Has owned more Alfas than Steve H" Range Rover Vogue SE, Ford Capri (ressurection stalling) Porsche 911 3.2 (For Sale) COSOC #5 Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain > In news:MPG.1d242796776649cd98a083@news.individual.net, > Conor <conor.turton@gmail.com> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Lorry drivers *are* good, but they're not that bloody special. They tend to look at a road and decide that it's not a good idea to go down it at 60...you know, like on Real Story on Monday? Strange how lorries and buses will have been down that road in the North East yet only cars seemed to manage to go off it. > For proof, just watch the utter chaos caused for thousands of motorists > every hour by Artic drivers 56.0 mph uphill overtaking a truck doing > 55.99999 mph manouvers. And? THat's dangerous how? Oh yeah that's right..dangerous because of the actions taken by impatient CAR drivers. Oh and it would be a non issue if you fuckwits exercised proper lane discipline as L3 would be clear to use. > I've lost count of the number of times I've seen Artics fall over on > roundabouts. Wow. I've lost count of the 3 or 4 car rear enders in L3 of the M1, the number of times I've seen car drivers pull into an ENTRY slip road, thinking it was an extra lane only to wake up and barge into L1 OR travel up the hard shoulder from the 1/2 mile marker thinking it was an exit sliproad. Or there's the favourite...fog lights on in clear sunshine. And doesn't driving the wrong way up a motorway seem to be rather prevalent among car drivers nowadays? Whilst you've got turds with the standards on Britains Worst Driver and Mondays "Real Story", I don't think you've got room to comment. SignatureConor -You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git. (Monty Python) > They tend to look at a road and decide that it's not a good idea to go > down it at 60...you know, like on Real Story on Monday? Strange how > lorries and buses will have been down that road in the North East yet > only cars seemed to manage to go off it. ITYM "a very small proportion of cars, driven by clueless numpties" Y'see, the problem isn't that holders of vocational licences such as HGV or PSV are superhumans with natural talents, it's just that they've had more training than the insufficient bare minimum that is deemed appropriate for car drivers. IOW, it's not that truck/bus drivers are way above adequate, it's that there's many car driving numpties who are way below adequate. > > They tend to look at a road and decide that it's not a good idea to go > > down it at 60...you know, like on Real Story on Monday? Strange how [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > IOW, it's not that truck/bus drivers are way above adequate, it's that > there's many car driving numpties who are way below adequate. I think there's a simple solution and that would be to double the length of time of the driving test for cars. The HGV one is about twice the length of time, the thinking being that people can manage to hold it together for 30 minutes or so but not an hour or more. My mate passed his Class 2 yesterday and said that all of his 7 minors were in the last half of the test. Hoping he turns out to be a good driver. Already managed to instill the "no need to rush" attitude in him even though he was on 7.5 tonners. SignatureConor -You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git. (Monty Python) > I think there's a simple solution and that would be to double the > length of time of the driving test for cars. Sounds fair to me. Add in an optional extra Motorway test. Restrict the power of car that can be driven by new drivers, in a similar way to the bike system. Combine with retests every decade, and (real) eyetests every five years. Make driving without a licence an imprisonable offence - not just driving whilst actively disqualified. Oh, and bring back TrafPol. > Oh, and bring back TrafPol. To be told "Why aren't you catching real criminals?" :-p SignatureConor -You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git. (Monty Python) >I think there's a simple solution and that would be to double the >length of time of the driving test for cars. The HGV one is about twice [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Hoping he turns out to be a good driver. Already managed to instill the >"no need to rush" attitude in him even though he was on 7.5 tonners. Funny thing: on the one-hour drive before my test I was f.cking hopeless. Terrible. I really thought I had no chance - despite having driven pretty well all week. But the moment the test started, it all went smoothly. I only got 3 minors. I think I might still have the sheet, in storage somewhere. SignatureBen Blaney > Funny thing: on the one-hour drive before my test I was f.cking > hopeless. Terrible. I really thought I had no chance - despite > having driven pretty well all week. But the moment the test started, > it all went smoothly. I only got 3 minors. I think I might still > have the sheet, in storage somewhere. I was scared as hell as I walked out to the car at the test centre, and it was raining. We sat in, did all the pre-flight spiel and checks, and as I'm just about to pull off, the examiner says "It might be a good idea to get the rain off your glasses...". Oh, yes... Get to the end of the test centre road, sneak a glance at the form, already an X in the mirrors box. First set of lights - they go orange, I stop a bit sharpish and stall. That's it. I've failed. <mental sag> And.... all the pressure was off. Just get round and get it over with. "Congratulations, you've passed". Eh? Wot? Pardon? > > Funny thing: on the one-hour drive before my test I was f.cking > > hopeless. Terrible. I really thought I had no chance - despite [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > "Congratulations, you've passed". Eh? Wot? Pardon? lol, sounds like my test. I made a number of fairly big mistakes, but only got 3 minors. He obviously did the right thing passing me, look at me now... In news:MPG.1d249f297297b37298a08c@news.individual.net, Conor <conor.turton@gmail.com> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows >> In news:MPG.1d242796776649cd98a083@news.individual.net, >> Conor <conor.turton@gmail.com> decided to enlighten our sheltered [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > lorries and buses will have been down that road in the North East yet > only cars seemed to manage to go off it. Lorry drivers don't go down it at 60 for one reason. They *can't*. >> For proof, just watch the utter chaos caused for thousands of >> motorists every hour by Artic drivers 56.0 mph uphill overtaking a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > issue if you fuckwits exercised proper lane discipline as L3 would be > clear to use. It's dangerous because it causes miles upon miles of tailbacks on motorways, normally with half a mile or so of 40 ton wagons trying to get past each other who absolutely will not give way to anyone or anything until they've passed "that bloody Stobart wagon" >> I've lost count of the number of times I've seen Artics fall over on >> roundabouts. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Whilst you've got turds with the standards on Britains Worst Driver > and Mondays "Real Story", I don't think you've got room to comment. I drive something that's harder to drive than an articulated lorry. Doesn't go round corners an Artic will do easily, and yet the majority of numpties who won't give me room... Wagon drivers.. Oh, and before you start, I've driven Articulated trucks. Drove one yesterday (On private land) SignaturePete M Range Rover Vogue SE, Ford Capri (ressurection stalling) Porsche 911 3.2 (For Sale) COSOC #5 Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain > I drive something that's harder to drive than an articulated lorry. Doesn't go > round corners an Artic will do easily, and yet the majority of numpties who > won't give me room... Wagon drivers.. I know 911s have a reputation but I didn't think it was that bad. ;) We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Pete M" <pete.murray@blue-nopressedmeat-yonder.co.uk> saying something like: >I drive something that's harder to drive than an articulated lorry. Doesn't >go round corners an Artic will do easily, Steering seized on the Rangie? SignatureDave > In news:MPG.1d249f297297b37298a08c@news.individual.net, > Conor <conor.turton@gmail.com> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > other who absolutely will not give way to anyone or anything until they've > passed "that bloody Stobart wagon" Isn't it strange that at 3am this morning on the M1 north approaching roadworks which took the motorway down from 3 lanes to 1 that, because there were only lorries on the road, we all managed to form an orderly line with no quue jumping and we got from the 2 mile marker to the start of the roadworks in 5 minutes... And before you say there wasn't alot of traffic, there was a stretch of wagons nose to tail in L1 for 7 miles. > I drive something that's harder to drive than an articulated lorry. Doesn't > go round corners an Artic will do easily, and yet the majority of numpties > who won't give me room... Wagon drivers.. Must be a tractor. Yeah I expect it is harder to drive than an artic: 1) Its probably overloaded to f.ck like most of them are. 2) Its probably unroadworthy like most of them are. 3) You haven't had specific training to drive with that size of trailer on. > Oh, and before you start, I've driven Articulated trucks. Drove one > yesterday (On private land) WOW. You've got a whole wealth of experience and on real roads too with lots of traffic about. SignatureConor -You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git. (Monty Python) In news:MPG.1d263a2cfaccc7d498a0d9@news.individual.net, Conor <conor.turton@gmail.com> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows >>>>>>> Sorry but "Real Story" this monday proved you completely wrong. >>>>>>> It demonstrated without any shadow of a doubt, car drivers are [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > line with no quue jumping and we got from the 2 mile marker to the > start of the roadworks in 5 minutes... Yeah, that happens in the middle of the night, mainly because there are less vehicles about. If you *can't* physically overtake, then you have to filter. I imagine most truck drivers have noticed that. Maybe you have now I've just written it down for you. > And before you say there wasn't alot of traffic, there was a stretch > of wagons nose to tail in L1 for 7 miles. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > 3) You haven't had specific training to drive with that size of > trailer 4) As usual you've not got a f.cking clue. Off the hobby horse, Yorkie boy. A selection of stretch limousines. 33 ft long, non-articulated, LHD, with a *much* worse turning circle and 3/4 vision than any truck I've ever driven due to the base vehicle not being originally designed to be stretched by 14 ft.. Down streets you'd not take your truck down, on a nightly basis. >> Oh, and before you start, I've driven Articulated trucks. Drove one >> yesterday (On private land) >> > WOW. You've got a whole wealth of experience and on real roads too > with > lots of traffic about. Have driven them before, but I'm not licenced to, so I tend to stay clear. However, on the occasions I *have* driven them, I've found it a piece of cake to *not* get involved in the 55.999 vs 56.0001 mph overtaking "pissing up the wall" contest. I didn't find it necessary to block cars from using the left hand lane, to tailgate other trucks, to fall over on roundabouts, or spend 15 minutes going up inclines in the middle lane because the cement wagon that was slowing ahead *might* drop to 54 mph in the near future, either. Oh, and I didn't find it necessary to spend my time off from driving 7.5 tonners on the internet slagging car drivers off for being useless because they've not had artic training either. Artics are a *piece of piss* to drive. Nothing special about them at all. Leave bigger stopping distances, keep the Yorkie cold, and make sure you spill just the right amount of egg and diesel on your jeans. SignaturePete M Range Rover Vogue SE, Ford Capri (ressurection stalling) Porsche 911 3.2 (For Sale) COSOC #5 Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain > Artics are a *piece of piss* to drive. Nothing special about them at all. > Leave bigger stopping distances, keep the Yorkie cold, and make sure you > spill just the right amount of egg and diesel on your jeans. And a bucket between your legs for your gentleman's relish..... SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Passat 1.8 Turbo SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # > > Artics are a *piece of piss* to drive. Nothing special about them at all. > > Leave bigger stopping distances, keep the Yorkie cold, and make sure you > > spill just the right amount of egg and diesel on your jeans. > > And a bucket between your legs for your gentleman's relish..... Nah that's what Pete uses when he's tossing off looking at the fit totty on the back seat which he knows he'll never ever stand a chance of getting. SignatureConor -You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git. (Monty Python) > Yeah, that happens in the middle of the night, mainly because there are less > vehicles about. If you *can't* physically overtake, then you have to filter. What the f.ck are you on about? L2 and 3 were completely clear. > A selection of stretch limousines. 33 ft long, non-articulated, LHD, with a > *much* worse turning circle and 3/4 vision than any truck I've ever driven > due to the base vehicle not being originally designed to be stretched by 14 > ft.. Oh you're one of those arseholes. > >> Oh, and before you start, I've driven Articulated trucks. Drove one > >> yesterday (On private land) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > cake to *not* get involved in the 55.999 vs 56.0001 mph overtaking "pissing > up the wall" contest. You would do seeing as you're not licenced to drive them on the road therefore you wouldn't have come across it would you? > Artics are a *piece of piss* to drive. Yeah right. Forward maybe. > Nothing special about them at all. > Leave bigger stopping distances, keep the Yorkie cold, and make sure you > spill just the right amount of egg and diesel on your jeans. Do the pissed up birds you have in your Yank POS know you're a pervert and keep looking up their skirts? SignatureConor -You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git. (Monty Python) In news:MPG.1d26c14a2492157f98a11d@news.individual.net, Conor <conor.turton@gmail.com> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows >> Yeah, that happens in the middle of the night, mainly because there >> are less vehicles about. If you *can't* physically overtake, then >> you have to filter. > > What the f.ck are you on about? L2 and 3 were completely clear. Must have been coned off then. >> A selection of stretch limousines. 33 ft long, non-articulated, LHD, >> with a *much* worse turning circle and 3/4 vision than any truck >> I've ever driven due to the base vehicle not being originally >> designed to be stretched by 14 ft.. > > Oh you're one of those arseholes. Yup, I get paid more than you for less work. Makes me the arsehole. >>>> Oh, and before you start, I've driven Articulated trucks. Drove one >>>> yesterday (On private land) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > You would do seeing as you're not licenced to drive them on the road > therefore you wouldn't have come across it would you? Doesn't mean I've not driven them, and I've driven things with 56 mph limiters on for a living. The fact they didn't hinge in the middle didn't mean I felt the need to block the whole motorway for miles just because I drove a wagon for a living. >> Artics are a *piece of piss* to drive. > > Yeah right. Forward maybe. And round corners. There's bugger all difficult about them. Reversing them is easy, parking is easy, cornering is easy. All you need is a brain and a bit of forward planning. Ah, this explains why you find it so difficult to understand. >> Nothing special about them at all. >> Leave bigger stopping distances, keep the Yorkie cold, and make sure >> you spill just the right amount of egg and diesel on your jeans. > > Do the pissed up birds you have in your Yank POS know you're a pervert > and keep looking up their skirts? Yeah, f.cking right they do. Oh, you don't get any skirt in your job do you? Heh, a trucker with limo envy, priceless. SignaturePete M Range Rover Vogue SE, Ford Capri (ressurection stalling) Porsche 911 3.2 (For Sale) COSOC #5 Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain > > There's nothing wrong with the enforcing laws, the problem is that the > > laws are stupid. Some speed limits are reasonable, but many are just [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > demonstrated without any shadow of a doubt, car drivers are completely > incapable of juging a safe speed for the conditions. I missed that :-(. I think there is at least some truth in that, but I think many drivers are capable of being able to judge a safe speed reasonably accurately. All the time I see people badly judging speed, but it doesn't mean that we are incapable, it just means that they don't. On the straights I can loose people, but then on a bend I can have them sitting on my bumper. In these conditions I manage to judge the speed reasonably OK (better than the other person at least), so other people should be able to (unless I'm some sort of supreme being). > On the straights I can loose people, but then on a bend I can > have them sitting on my bumper. In these conditions I manage to judge > the speed reasonably OK (better than the other person at least), so > other people should be able to (unless I'm some sort of supreme being). Oh, god, you're one of them. Crawling round the corner, then going as fast as you can (ok, it's not that fast) up the straight so as to make it harder for people to overtake you. Gets in the way more than somebody driving consistently slowly - at least you can overtake them and be done with it. Clue : the person behind you on that bend is driving at a more consistent speed than you - less acceleration, less braking. clive >> On the straights I can loose people, but then on a bend I can >> have them sitting on my bumper. In these conditions I manage to judge [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Clue : the person behind you on that bend is driving at a more consistent > speed than you - less acceleration, less braking. Agreed. Given the previous performance discussions I think the above scenario is more likely than the alternative where Peter goes *fast* along the straight and brakes as much as needed for a corner. And I *know* from my own cars that some cars can corner very happily and comfortably at 60 on a corner other (softer) cars take at 40 max. I suspect Peter's car is at the 40 max end of that scale... A similar annoying thing is people overtaking on unlit roads at night then slowing to less than you were doing before - once they realise that you were actually doing a good speed on roads you know well. Without the advance warning of corners etc they were getting from you it looks a good bit more awkward... We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "PC Paul" <me@home.com> saying something like: >A similar annoying thing is people overtaking on unlit roads at night then >slowing to less than you were doing before - once they realise that you were >actually doing a good speed on roads you know well. Without the advance >warning of corners etc they were getting from you it looks a good bit more >awkward... Yep. It's then that they suddenly realise just how sh.t their headlights are. SignatureDave > And I *know* from my own cars that some cars can corner very happily and > comfortably at 60 on a corner other (softer) cars take at 40 max. I suspect > Peter's car is at the 40 max end of that scale... It all depends on how tight the bend is. My car can take some A-road corners, at 70mph. I do around 10 miles along an A-road each day, and the only time I need to drop below the speed limit for a corner is when visibility isn't good enough. I can usually take then at 60mph. These are fairly shallow bends though. My car can take a roundabout at about 40mph in the wet though, and it was safe to do so I could probably be doing about 50mph as I exit from it. This is with my new tyres, and I don't yet know exactly how fast they will go around roundabouts, they could probably do more than 40mph if it was safe to do so. > > On the straights I can loose people, but then on a bend I can > > have them sitting on my bumper. In these conditions I manage to judge [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > as you can (ok, it's not that fast) up the straight so as to make it harder > for people to overtake you. No, it all depends entirely on the conditions. When I do put my foot down I can quite often loose the person behind for a while. Ah, I've just seen my error :-(. It should've said a blind bend. Argh, now I'm really annoyed. > Gets in the way more than somebody driving consistently slowly - at least > you can overtake them and be done with it. > > Clue : the person behind you on that bend is driving at a more consistent > speed than you - less acceleration, less braking. A lot of people drive like this. They choose a speed, and try to stick to it. You see people driing at 40mph through an NSL, and then they barely slow up for a 30mph area. I did miss 'blind' out of my original post, so I'm hoping that you'll understand now. > I missed that :-(. I think there is at least some truth in that, but I > think many drivers are capable of being able to judge a safe speed > reasonably accurately. THe programme actually did prove that by the thousands that had not had a problem with the road. They just ommitted to tell you that fact. SignatureConor -You wanted an argument? Oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse. You want room K5, just along the corridor. Stupid git. (Monty Python) Apparently on date Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:18:55 GMT, "PC Paul" <me@home.com> said: >OK, so speed cameras are a no. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >What other forms of enforcement are liked/disliked around here then? And >why? Speed cameras are ok in appropriate places, e.g. outside schools. The biggest issue I have is that the "road system" isn't done to enhance the experience of the motorist. It is all focused on extracting money from the motorist. Mostly under the banner of "safety" where there are some very questionable trends to be seen. SORN is probably one of the most blatant examples of this. > Speed cameras are ok in appropriate places, e.g. outside schools. How's that an appropriate place? When the risk is raised over any other section of road, it's usually raised to a level where anything *approaching* 30mph would be madness. >> Speed cameras are ok in appropriate places, e.g. outside schools. > >How's that an appropriate place? > >When the risk is raised over any other section of road, it's usually raised >to a level where anything *approaching* 30mph would be madness. Your post doesn't seem to make sense. >>> Speed cameras are ok in appropriate places, e.g. outside schools. >>How's that an appropriate place? >> >>When the risk is raised over any other section of road, it's usually >>raised to a level where anything *approaching* 30mph would be madness. > Your post doesn't seem to make sense. I'm sorry, let me try again. Why is a school such a "special place" for a camera? When kids are milling about outside the school, you'd have to be a f.cking maniac to approach the speed limit. When kids aren't milling about outside the school, why's it so special compared to any other bit of road? >>>> Speed cameras are ok in appropriate places, e.g. outside schools. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >When kids aren't milling about outside the school, why's it so special >compared to any other bit of road? Well kids don't only mill about in crowds, they often turn up in ones or twos. But that's not really the point. People do speed in places where they shouldn't and the camera is there to make sure they get out of the habit. The camera isn't there for people who wouldn't even reach the speed limit. >>When kids aren't milling about outside the school, why's it so special >>compared to any other bit of road? > Well kids don't only mill about in crowds, they often turn up in ones > or twos. How's that different to other bits of road? > The camera isn't there for people who wouldn't even reach the speed > limit. Indeed. Even if they are utterly brain dead. Like the dopy bint this morning in front of me in a black Grand Voyager with pimptints and private plate outside my local primary school. Parked solid both sides, so there's only width for one vehicle to go through at a time. A car coming the other way - with three or four behind them - pauses to let the GV through. There's nothing in front of the GV. It stops halfway through. Just stops dead. After about a minute, I give a short toot. She puts the hazards on. After another 30 secs or so, the passenger door opens. After about another 30 secs, a small kid gets out. And dithers. Eventually shuts the door, and walks towards the school. Once the kid has gone through the gates, the GV moves off. By this stage, there's probably about ten cars waiting to come through, and there's a queue behind me. At the end of the road, it narrows to a stretch that's a bit tight for two cars. There's somebody coming into it from the other way. The GV barges through anyway, two wheels on the pavement. Despite the woman walking along the pavement towards the school with two small kids. But it's OK, she wasn't speeding. >> Well kids don't only mill about in crowds, they often turn up in ones >> or twos. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >But it's OK, she wasn't speeding. Well you're hardly going to stop that sort of thing by putting your speed camera on the M4 I don't see why you want people to be able to speed past schools. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Questions@forgotten.what.this.was.now.com saying something like: >I don't see why you want people to be able to speed past schools. May as well give the little f.ckers some exercise, dodging the traffic. SignatureDave >>But it's OK, she wasn't speeding. > Well you're hardly going to stop that sort of thing by putting your > speed camera on the M4 Indeed. > I don't see why you want people to be able to speed past schools. Did I say I did? What I SAID was that if there's kids all over the road, then 29mph is dangerously fast. If there's NOT kids all over the road, what's the difference with a bit of road that ISN'T outside a school? > OK, so speed cameras are a no. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > What other forms of enforcement are liked/disliked around here then? And > why? Innapropriate speed limits irk me, as does the apparent inconsitancy with which they are applied. There's a straight section of the A59 between Harrogate and Blubberhouses which is about the safest overtaking stretch on the entire road, but which has had a 'temporary' 40mph speed limit in place for several months now. There are no roadworks, no nearby accomodations, no pedestrians, and there haven't been any sigificant number of serious accidents - there is basically absolutely no reason for the speed limit. It hasn't stopped people overtaking either, if that was the aim - people just use shorter, less safe stretches instead. /rant > OK, so speed cameras are a no. Evil, burn 'em all. > ANPR vans seem to be a yes. Hammering the uninsured is good, very good. > Common sense using traffic police are a yes. Yup. > What other forms of enforcement are liked/disliked around here then? TrafPol should be petrolheads first and foremost, they should hammer lane hogs and dawdlers. > And why? 'Coz! :) A SignatureTrade Oil in € > OK, so speed cameras are a no. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > What other forms of enforcement are liked/disliked around here then? And > why? The police should not be used to catch speeding motorists they are far too busy. Use the new spy in sky traffic congestion charging satelite to monitor the speed of vehicles. Yes we would ALL accumulate enough points to be banned within a week...... and no more congestion. Sorted !! Next question please. DJ_Crazy_Frog |
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