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Company Car Badge Snobbery

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DervMan - 23 Sep 2003 07:23 GMT
A recent thread that got onto company car and badge status got me thinking.
I'm off to a dinner tonight at Rudding Park, Harrogate.

T'other people going to this dinner will be in their 40s or 50s and the car
park will be full of Audi, BMWs, Mercedes and the odd Saab.  99% of the
above won't have a model badge unless it's an "impressive" one, like 328i or
something.

Oh, and Kermit! :)

When we leave, if more than one person leaves at broadly the same time, you
can bet that they'll _deliberately_ amble into the car park and float about
until the other guy makes it clear which motor is his.

Some even sneer when they see me going straight to the Ka.

So it still happens, although I couldn't give a monkey's chuff what people
think about what I drive!

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Tim S Kemp - 23 Sep 2003 07:51 GMT
> A recent thread that got onto company car and badge status got me thinking.
> I'm off to a dinner tonight at Rudding Park, Harrogate.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> So it still happens, although I couldn't give a monkey's chuff what people
> think about what I drive!

I don't have that problem.
Scott M - 23 Sep 2003 09:41 GMT
> Some even sneer when they see me going straight to the Ka.

How do you know if it's tonight???

TBH, no-one cares what other people drive, they just want you to know
what /they/ drive.

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Andy Turner - 23 Sep 2003 09:43 GMT
>A recent thread that got onto company car and badge status got me thinking.
>I'm off to a dinner tonight at Rudding Park, Harrogate.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>So it still happens, although I couldn't give a monkey's chuff what people
>think about what I drive!

That much is clear!! ;-)

Yet on the other hand you claim to be laughing at other people's cars
(the TT), and seem to have a massive inferiority complex about it. If
you truly didn't care, you wouldn't be making these posts, which seem
to me to be complaining about the situation.

Sadly, whether you care what people think about your car, has no
bearing whatsoever on what they actually think about your car, and how
they view you as a result. This has been shown on numerous times in
this very group, when the usual derision for Nova boys is shown.

andyt
Andy Turner - 23 Sep 2003 10:04 GMT
>>So it still happens, although I couldn't give a monkey's chuff what people
>>think about what I drive!
>
>Yet on the other hand you claim to be laughing at other people's cars
>(the TT), and seem to have a massive inferiority complex about it.

Actually, a massive inferiority complex is unfair, perhaps just a chip
on your shoulder.

andyt
DervMan - 23 Sep 2003 23:29 GMT
> >>So it still happens, although I couldn't give a monkey's chuff what people
> >>think about what I drive!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Actually, a massive inferiority complex is unfair, perhaps just a chip
> on your shoulder.

Big chip about VAG products, more like! :)

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Andy Turner - 24 Sep 2003 09:35 GMT
>> >>So it still happens, although I couldn't give a monkey's chuff what
>people
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Big chip about VAG products, more like! :)

But then your list is "Audi, BMWs, Mercedes and the odd Saab"!!

andyt
DervMan - 24 Sep 2003 21:28 GMT
> >> >>So it still happens, although I couldn't give a monkey's chuff what
> >people
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> But then your list is "Audi, BMWs, Mercedes and the odd Saab"!!

Yes, you're right, but you mentioned the Audi TT, heh.

Last night, there were mainly BMWs, one Audi, one Merc, and one diesel Rover
75.

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Davemar - 23 Sep 2003 09:56 GMT
> A recent thread that got onto company car and badge status got me thinking.
> I'm off to a dinner tonight at Rudding Park, Harrogate.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> So it still happens, although I couldn't give a monkey's chuff what people
> think about what I drive!

Reminds me of a friend of mine who had just bought himself a bright
yellow Boxster. We visited a pub in the country and parked our cars up
(him & his wife in the Boxster, me and some mates in my F-reg 205).
Just as we were about to leave a fella in a bright yellow Ferrari 355 spider
pulled into the car park and parked right next to my friend's Boxster.
You should have seen his face turn a bright shade of tetchy red. He then
ancounced to his wife that it was her turn to drive! He spent the rest
of the afternoon chuntering on about how this Ferrari driver must have
been up to all sorts of no good to afford such a car. We did laugh.
Andrew Thomas - 24 Sep 2003 15:42 GMT
> > A recent thread that got onto company car and badge status got me thinking.
> > I'm off to a dinner tonight at Rudding Park, Harrogate.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> pulled into the car park and parked right next to my friend's Boxster.
> You should have seen his face turn a bright shade of tetchy red.

Must be awful to have such a lack of strength of character - I just
don't understand how someone with a nice car could get upset about
someone with a "nicer" car parking alongside.
Davemar - 25 Sep 2003 09:35 GMT
> > > A recent thread that got onto company car and badge status got me thinking.
> > > I'm off to a dinner tonight at Rudding Park, Harrogate.
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> don't understand how someone with a nice car could get upset about
> someone with a "nicer" car parking alongside.

He wasn't too pleased either when my £2000 banger out accelerated his
£35,000 Boxster. Fortunately he's better now, and doesn't crave such
outwardly materialistic things.
Sparky - 23 Sep 2003 10:26 GMT
> A recent thread that got onto company car and badge status got me thinking.
> I'm off to a dinner tonight at Rudding Park, Harrogate.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> So it still happens, although I couldn't give a monkey's chuff what people
> think about what I drive!

It does indeed happen but then to some, a car is another measure of success
and to be able to drive around in a car with a prestige badge is often
perceived as just that.

What I am curious about however, is 'model' perception.  For example, if
some fairly wealthy chaps is cruising along in his new S-Class (not the AMG
model) and someone pulls up alongside him in an Evo VIII (or whatever the
latest number is), then I wonder who would feel the most superior.. the
driver who has the quickest car or the one who has the most luxurious car
(and would be able to buy 2 Evos for the price of his S-Class)?  I guess
it's all relative and in a perfect world, everyone would be happy with what
they have but sadly penis-envy is all too real.

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Sparky
Andrew Thomas - 23 Sep 2003 10:58 GMT
> A recent thread that got onto company car and badge status got me thinking.
> I'm off to a dinner tonight at Rudding Park, Harrogate.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> So it still happens, although I couldn't give a monkey's chuff what people
> think about what I drive!

With all due respect, it rather sounds like you do...!
Oliver Keating - 23 Sep 2003 13:26 GMT
> A recent thread that got onto company car and badge status got me thinking.
> I'm off to a dinner tonight at Rudding Park, Harrogate.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> So it still happens, although I couldn't give a monkey's chuff what people
> think about what I drive!

There was an interesting article in I think "Car" about this. Apparently the
"maintstream" or "volume" manufacturers (Ford, Vauxhall etc.) are lossing
sales to "prestige" makes.

It was saying the "volume" cars may soon have to be renamed "ex-volume".

Note that Ford and Toyota are both trying to move upmarket.

I must admit that after a recent experence in a 2.5 Ghia X Mondeo I was
geniunely impressed. Clearly a good alternative to a BMW or Merc (well, if
it weren't for the horrendous depreciation).

But you are right, I have talked to people (on a budget) who would never
consider buying a Ford Mondeo, but are looking at older BMW 316s.

So I think we are going to see a lot of re-branding soon.

I think now more than ever people aren't really buying cars, they are buying
fashion statements, status symbols, and above all else, beliefs.
Ian Bailey - 23 Sep 2003 18:27 GMT
> > A recent thread that got onto company car and badge status got me
>  thinking.
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> I think now more than ever people aren't really buying cars, they are buying
> fashion statements, status symbols, and above all else, beliefs.

I drive a company car and have a choice between a Vectra or a Mondeo.
Lets say the company increased its budget, or decided to sped more on
a lower-depreciating car, so gave me the choice between a bottom spec
316 or a bottom spec C180. I'd have moved "up" from a Vectra to a Merc
or a Beemer, but would have less toys to play with.

Personally, given £20 of the company's money to spend, I'd rather have
a high-end Vectra than a bottom-end C-class. I don't care what badge
is on the front, and if drivng a status car means crap equipment I
don't want to know.

Ian
BTW loved the comment about de-badged BMWs - they're all 316s/520s
aren't they?
Dave Plowman - 23 Sep 2003 23:33 GMT
> BTW loved the comment about de-badged BMWs - they're all 316s/520s
> aren't they?

Both my last two BMWs bought secondhand were one owner ex company and
debadged. Neither was anywhere near bottom of the range or poverty spec.

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Ian Bailey - 24 Sep 2003 07:43 GMT
> > BTW loved the comment about de-badged BMWs - they're all 316s/520s
> > aren't they?
>
>  Both my last two BMWs bought secondhand were one owner ex company and
> debadged. Neither was anywhere near bottom of the range or poverty spec.

Why debadge then? If someone has forked out for a 330i why not say so
on the boot lit?

Ian
Andrew Thomas - 24 Sep 2003 15:47 GMT
> > > BTW loved the comment about de-badged BMWs - they're all 316s/520s
> > > aren't they?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Ian

Because maybe that person doesn't have a woeful inferiority complex?
Andy Turner - 24 Sep 2003 16:35 GMT
>> > BTW loved the comment about de-badged BMWs - they're all 316s/520s
>> > aren't they?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Why debadge then? If someone has forked out for a 330i why not say so
>on the boot lit?

Perhaps to try and stop it getting nicked?

andyt
SteveH - 24 Sep 2003 18:43 GMT
> > BTW loved the comment about de-badged BMWs - they're all 316s/520s
> > aren't they?
>
>  Both my last two BMWs bought secondhand were one owner ex company and
> debadged. Neither was anywhere near bottom of the range or poverty spec.

If I had any sort of 'hot' Beemer, I reckon I'd _have_ to debadge it
just to piss-off all the boy racers who fancied a go against what they
think is a cooking model ;-)
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Dave Plowman - 24 Sep 2003 21:23 GMT
> >  Both my last two BMWs bought secondhand were one owner ex company and
> > debadged. Neither was anywhere near bottom of the range or poverty
> > spec.

> If I had any sort of 'hot' Beemer, I reckon I'd _have_ to debadge it
> just to piss-off all the boy racers who fancied a go against what they
> think is a cooking model ;-)

Trouble with the E34 was that you could tell by the exhaust pipes whether
it was a 525 or bigger.

At least it's more difficult with the E39.

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Andrew Thomas - 24 Sep 2003 15:46 GMT
> > > A recent thread that got onto company car and badge status got me
>  thinking.
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
> BTW loved the comment about de-badged BMWs - they're all 316s/520s
> aren't they?

Yes, I loved that comment too - so clever and original.  I will tell
the owner of the 330Ci coupe parked in the car park at work, and a
530i owned by a neighbour, to badge their cars immediately as the
sweeping generalisation won't work otherwise.
Andy Turner - 24 Sep 2003 16:36 GMT
>> BTW loved the comment about de-badged BMWs - they're all 316s/520s
>> aren't they?

>Yes, I loved that comment too - so clever and original.  I will tell
>the owner of the 330Ci coupe parked in the car park at work, and a
>530i owned by a neighbour, to badge their cars immediately as the
>sweeping generalisation won't work otherwise.

Ah! But that's what they *told* you their cars were.. ;-)

andyt
Conor Turton - 23 Sep 2003 16:15 GMT
> When we leave, if more than one person leaves at broadly the same time, you
> can bet that they'll _deliberately_ amble into the car park and float about
> until the other guy makes it clear which motor is his.
>
> Some even sneer when they see me going straight to the Ka.

I just laugh at them and tell them at least I actually OWN my car. It
belongs to me, not the company or a finance company.

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Abo - 24 Sep 2003 22:27 GMT
Conor Turton raved thus:

:: In article <bkoot6$450g6$10@ID-136275.news.uni-berlin.de>,
:: dervman@hotmail.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
:: I just laugh at them and tell them at least I actually OWN my car. It
:: belongs to me, not the company or a finance company.

Don't care. I pay tax on my company car, but it's less than what I'd have to
pay for insurance, road tax, 2+ services a year, breakdown cover, tyres and
other consumables etc. And depreciation isn't a problem. It just gets
swapped for a new one when the lease runs out or the miles get too high.

Abo

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Steve Firth - 25 Sep 2003 20:30 GMT
> I just laugh at them and tell them at least I actually OWN my car. It
> belongs to me, not the company or a finance company.

I laugh at you and tell you I actually own my cars, not the company or a
finance company.

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A.W.T - 28 Sep 2003 10:23 GMT
> I just laugh at them and tell them at least I actually OWN my car. It
> belongs to me, not the company or a finance company.

Heheh. Well, legally I am the owner if my car, just don't like to think
about the big fat personal loan... At least I can flog it for the best price
if my 'circumstances change'...

Andy
Nick Read - 23 Sep 2003 19:36 GMT
> A recent thread that got onto company car and badge status got me thinking.
> I'm off to a dinner tonight at Rudding Park, Harrogate.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> So it still happens, although I couldn't give a monkey's chuff what people
> think about what I drive!

You could always try my stepfather's method, he rejected the offer of a
company car and instead drove around in an 18 year old Escort 1.3 with none
of the body panels quite the same colour. After a few months of that a
rumour started going round that he was an 'eccentric millionaire'
- they were half right :)

Nick
Phil Howard - 23 Sep 2003 20:45 GMT
At my old place, when it came to car chnaging time...

The MD goes from a GS300 Lexus to a Peugeot 406 Coupe 2.0
Director 1 goes from a 523i Beemer to a Mini Cooper S
Director 2 goes from a IS200 Lexus to a BMW 320d
Manager 1 goes from Volvo S60 2.4 to a Focus 1.8 Ghia
Normal bods go from Vectra/Mondeo/Avensis 2.0 Petrols to Gold GT TDI's

All for the Tax Codes......
Tim S Kemp - 23 Sep 2003 23:45 GMT
> At my old place, when it came to car chnaging time...
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> All for the Tax Codes......

Yup. Company cars make little sense any more. Except for Bentleys, Ferraris,
big MBs etc which you couldn't run yourself for the money
MB_UK - 24 Sep 2003 11:12 GMT
> > At my old place, when it came to car chnaging time...
> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Yup. Company cars make little sense any more. Except for Bentleys, Ferraris,
> big MBs etc which you couldn't run yourself for the money

My company car makes sense to me. Less than £50 per month in company
car tax and no repayments, no insurance, no tax, no servicing, no
MOTS. All I have to put in is petrol.
Phil Howard - 24 Sep 2003 11:20 GMT
> > > At my old place, when it came to car chnaging time...
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> car tax and no repayments, no insurance, no tax, no servicing, no
> MOTS. All I have to put in is petrol.

Must be something small...Fiesta/Corsa-ish? Dual-Fuel Astra?

My VW Bora TDi cost me about ?180/month, but that was including fuel...bit
of a no brainer when it's 100 miles to the office (each way...).  They
offered us a cash alternative, but was still cheaper for me to keep the
company car.  The car/fuel split was around 50/50 on the tax burden.
MB_UK - 24 Sep 2003 14:52 GMT
> > "Tim S Kemp" <news@timkemp.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>  news:<bkqidi$72m$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net>...
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> offered us a cash alternative, but was still cheaper for me to keep the
> company car.  The car/fuel split was around 50/50 on the tax burden.

Vauxhall Vectra SRi 2.0 Turbo at the moment.
I work in the motor industry where we dont all play the CO2 game ;-)
Abo - 24 Sep 2003 22:33 GMT
Nick Read raved thus:

:: You could always try my stepfather's method, he rejected the offer
:: of a company car and instead drove around in an 18 year old Escort
:: 1.3 with none of the body panels quite the same colour. After a few
:: months of that a rumour started going round that he was an
:: 'eccentric millionaire' - they were half right :)

Yeah, plenty of people do that at our place. I know a guy who took the money
option instead, and drives an old Peugeot 406 instead. The company gives him
5 grand a year taxable instead of providing a car. Not bad! I took the car
because I'll have done 50k+ miles by the end of the year.

Abo

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