Looking for advice.
The story is this. At March '03, I purchased a car from a dealer with a new
registration plate as the previous owner had retained the cherished private
plate which was previously on it. The car was supplied at time of
collection, to me as agreed, with 6 months road tax. I received a V5/2 and
V5/3 parts of the V5 form and asked if I had anything else to do but I was
told I didn't have anything else to sign, send off, etc.
The road tax is up at the end of September and I didn't have the reminder in
as yet so I contacted DVLA re. it and was shocked to find that whilst they
had a record of the new registration plate I was not the vehicles registered
keeper. So shocked I was that I forgot to ask who it was registered to. The
guy at DVLA said I would be unable to get road tax unless I had the
registration form (which I obviously don't) or fill in a V62 (I think he
called it) and await 6 weeks for the registration form to be amended.
I phoned the dealer, supplied him with the details and who seemed clueless
as to why I didn't have the registration form sent from DVLA - after all
they were able to road tax it!! He could only suggest that he contacts the
previous owner to see if it was sent there and for me to phone back tomorrow
morning. At this stage in the day I seem a little stuck on what to do and
will need to wait but the practicalities are that I may be unable to road
tax the car for another 6 weeks at the earliest.
A little background info. Bear in mind that I require the car to get me to
my work and back each day and I have a 50 miles one way trip and need to
start at 7am so the car is important for me to get to my work for that time.
The questions I would like help on are:
Is the car legally mine even although I am not the registered keeper..I have
receipts showing payment of car.
How will my insurance be affected if any..I have declared that I am the
registered keeper to them (in good faith).
If I am without the use of the car for 6 weeks minimum, does the dealer have
any legal liability to provide me with loss of car use and inconvenience
and has he broken any trading laws (just in case he gets stroppy). I realise
these are legal type questions but others may have experienced a similar
situation or be involved with it.
The car itself is fine and no real problem there but I trusted what I was
told on the basis I don't buy a car very often and the procedures I am not
at all aware of. What else can I do? The loss of the car until I can get it
taxed is pretty damned serious.
Cheers to all.
Chris
> The questions I would like help on are:
>
> Is the car legally mine even although I am not the registered keeper..I have
> receipts showing payment of car.
Yes it is yours unless it has any finance outstanding on it.
> How will my insurance be affected if any..I have declared that I am the
> registered keeper to them (in good faith).
Should be OK. It's a minor technicality.
Just to add:
It might be registered as being sold to a motor trader. If it is your
luck is in. You will be able to fill in a V62 and tax it at a local
DVLA VL office(not Post Office). The only way to find out is to fill in
a V62 and ask them at the office - tell them why. If it's not
registered as being sold to the motor trade you'll need to wait for the
V5 to turn up.

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Top_Bhoy waffled on in a quite bewildering manner to produce...
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> The questions I would like help on are:
>
> Is the car legally mine even although I am not the registered
> keeper..I have receipts showing payment of car.
Yup, it's yours, the registered keeper isn't necessarily the owner.
> How will my insurance be affected if any..I have declared that I am
> the registered keeper to them (in good faith).
You should be able to successfully argue that point if anything happened
> If I am without the use of the car for 6 weeks minimum, does the
> dealer have any legal liability to provide me with loss of car use
> and inconvenience and has he broken any trading laws (just in case he
> gets stroppy). I realise these are legal type questions but others
> may have experienced a similar situation or be involved with it.
Don't know. Speak to the dealer.
> The car itself is fine and no real problem there but I trusted what I
> was told on the basis I don't buy a car very often and the procedures
> I am not at all aware of. What else can I do? The loss of the car
> until I can get it taxed is pretty damned serious.
Speak to the dealer, they will have actually taxed the car. If you look at
the tax disc on the car and it says "DEALER" on the round stamp, which in
all probability it will, then the dealer taxed it, it'll probably also say 6
months and one week for example. New car dealerships often tax cars
themselves, by buying a batch of taxdiscs from the DVLA, it's legal, and
that's probably where this whole cock up originated. As an ex-car salesman
I've seen it happen time and time again, wrong registrations, wrong chassis
numbers, and cars taxed by Doreen from Accounts who hasn't got a clue what's
really involved.
Tell the dealer you want it put right, right away, don't let them fob you
off. They've cocked up, until they prove otherwise they're responsible. Tell
them until it's put right you're not going to leave the showroom. They'll
put it right, don't let them take you out of the main showroom area or sit
you in an office for example. They don't want you *near* other customers.
They'll sort it, trust me.

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Golf Gti (For Sale)
Liverpool, Great Britain.
"you can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead"
> Looking for advice.
>
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> V5/3 parts of the V5 form and asked if I had anything else to do but I was
> told I didn't have anything else to sign, send off, etc.
You can still tax a car with the green slip - I know because i've just done
it. That is, assuming that the V5/2 has the current (and insured)
registration...
I know someone who got caught out with a registration swap car - took 6
weeks, of which the car wasn't taxed for 4 of them...
Can you see stickers appearing in windscreens:
"V5 in Post"
Like to see it tried!
Phil
Top_Bhoy - 26 Sep 2003 20:08 GMT
> > Looking for advice.
> >
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> Phil
The guy on the other end of the phone at the DVLA said the green slip on the
V2 form can only be used if its within 2 months of the date stamped by the
dealer. If I don't get something sorted out the car will have to remain
dormant. It means another 3 hours onto my day as I go and use buses to try
and get from Glasgow to Edinburgh and back. The dealer isn't a main
dealership or anything like that so I can hardly make a complaint to a
manufacturer. The whole thing just sucks..there I am wanting to legitimately
Tax a car which carries valid insurance and a current MOT...it seems the
place is full of red tape. Can't see the point of it...its not as if theres
outstanding finance against the car or listed as stolen or scrapped or...
Chris
Top_Bhoy - 26 Sep 2003 20:11 GMT
> > > Looking for advice.
> > >
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> Chris
Apologies,
"the green slip on the V2 form " should of course have read as "the green
slip on the V5 form"
Chris
Martin Imber - 29 Sep 2003 11:56 GMT
Even though the car is not taxed it still works doen't it?
Also I think your insurance is valid - give them a call.
It is not your fault you can't get tax so sod it - use the car!
Top_Bhoy - 29 Sep 2003 17:41 GMT
> Even though the car is not taxed it still works doen't it?
>
> Also I think your insurance is valid - give them a call.
>
> It is not your fault you can't get tax so sod it - use the car!
I got away with chancing my luck and used the V5/2 form despite it being
almost 6 months old and according to the DVLA and on the back, it should
only be valid for use up to 2 months old. Still I'm happy enough that the
post office girl overlooked/missed it, but I was sweating. I do now have
some time to send the V62 away and register it in my name.
Whilst it wasn't my fault, I wouldn't risk the chance of getting a ticket. I
live in a flat and its on-road parking only with the very occassional
warden/police going by. It would be my luck to be the poor sod who copped
the fine and I wouldn't have any excuse.
Chris