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Only twenty odd years behind Brazil

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Derek - 25 Oct 2005 23:53 GMT
Brazil has been using ethanol fuels in its cars for simple ages Sweden is
following suit so why the hell is our government not pushing the same boat
out could it be anything to do with political parties being bankrolled by
oil companies ?
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Derek
fishman - 26 Oct 2005 09:30 GMT
Maybe ethanol companies bankroll the brazilian govt.

Anyone who's sampled cacasa (sp) will testify :)
Starship XM - 26 Oct 2005 11:02 GMT
> Maybe ethanol companies bankroll the brazilian govt.
>
> Anyone who's sampled cacasa (sp) will testify :)

You surely mean anyone who can *remember* sampling cashasa will testify :-)
I took a couple
of bottles to a party of supposedly hard drinking mates once...it got drank,
but there were some ill
people the day after :-)) But what do you expect from something that's 50%
alcohol, comes in a
plastic bottle, and cost R$3.50 a litre at a time there was R$5 to a
quid...? :-)

Mick
AndrewR - 26 Oct 2005 10:16 GMT
> Brazil has been using ethanol fuels in its cars for simple ages
> Sweden is following suit so why the hell is our government not
> pushing the same boat out could it be anything to do with political
> parties being bankrolled by oil companies ?

Maybe because it's not a very good solution.

It's not a complete replacement for oil-based fuels because it has to be
mixed with them anyway and then you have to use oil-based fuels in its
manufacture and transportation ... in fact current estimates are that it
takes 29% to 70% _more_ energy to make a litre of ethanol than you get from
burning it.

Maybe if the government were prepared to fund it we could end up with the
same situation they have in the US, where a couple of giant companies, ADM
in particular, derive almost all of their profits directly from the
tax-payer.

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Starship XM - 26 Oct 2005 10:59 GMT
> Brazil has been using ethanol fuels in its cars for simple ages Sweden is
> following suit so why the hell is our government not pushing the same boat
> out could it be anything to do with political parties being bankrolled by
> oil companies ?
> http://fifthgear.five.tv/jsp/5gmain.jsp?lnk=501&featureid=49&pageid=96
> Derek

Well, for a start,  ethanol is a shite solution, the cars aren't as
effiecient running on it, fuel systems
gum up on it, last time I looked it was (ethanol, not bioethanol) pretty
much the same price as gasoline in Brazil.

The fact that they mix ethanol with gasoline to make bio-ethanol kind of
proves the point that it isn't as good as petrol

My wife's uncle has run a VAG dealership in Porto Alegre  (in the South of
Brazil ) for about 20 years now. He reckons problems
that ethanol causes aren't as bad now, but it's nowhere near as good as gas.
In his opinion of course...

Mick
Weatherlawyer - 26 Oct 2005 14:01 GMT
> My wife's uncle has run a VAG dealership in Porto Alegre  (in the South of
> Brazil ) for about 20 years now. He reckons problems
> that ethanol causes aren't as bad now, but it's nowhere near as good as gas.

I believe some ethanol does go into the mix with some petrols. Maybe it
is to sweep up the dregs in the petrol stations.

But Brazil is reducing its forests to grow sugar and cattle at an
astonishing rate. And were they not also committing genocide to push
through their roads somewhere in the time scale mentioned by the OP?

So how is this enlightened behaviour?

The 1980s was about the time that Cadillac brought out their terrible
clunker; a small underpowered car that made all the baddies look silly
as they got out of them to confront the good guys on TV, was it not?

What happened to that, anyone know? Gone the way of flared trousers and
long hair no doubt. No wonder the US is taking its time bringing out
decent cars.

Europe was well into small cars by then and experimenting with
different engine styles. What was Ford up to with its cam shafts around
that time? I vaguely remember some sort of advertising hoo-hah about an
oil assisted valve mechanism in the Fraud Escort.
Questions@forgotten.what.this.was.now - 26 Oct 2005 19:35 GMT
>> My wife's uncle has run a VAG dealership in Porto Alegre  (in the South of
>> Brazil ) for about 20 years now. He reckons problems
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>
>So how is this enlightened behaviour?

As it says in the cheap seats, global warming is the process whereby Brazil
turns into a desert and Antartica, Northern Canada, Greenland and the north of
Russia turn into temperate zones where trees flourish and create carbon dioxide
sinks that restore the balance.

Big difference being that lands above the arctic circle perform carbon fixing
all day long during summer, one end or the other.
Pete Smith - 27 Oct 2005 07:51 GMT
> What was Ford up to with its cam shafts around
> that time? I vaguely remember some sort of advertising hoo-hah about an
> oil assisted valve mechanism in the Fraud Escort.

Hydraulic tappets?

Not a very new solution AFAIK.

Pete.

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Weatherlawyer - 28 Oct 2005 11:37 GMT
> > What was Ford up to with its cam shafts around
> > that time? I vaguely remember some sort of advertising hoo-hah about an
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> Not a very new solution AFAIK.

I never said they were.

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