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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / General Car Topics (UK group) / February 2006Re: Cambelts how many failures have you dealt with, or know of? and why buy into them?
Still... support for belts............... But There`s a lot of snapping and financial suffering going on ...... So why not embrace the availability of chains, now alongside the belt drive models often at no extra cost to the customer , even on small *cheap* new cars? And why do some here defend cambelts over chains? Can it be the *Stockholm Syndrome* ............ Held *hostage* by the belt drive job on the drive..... Can it be better for the psyche ( re potential horrific costs) to believe belts are really better than chains despite significant objective evidence against this? ( for a little evidence try a Google search of *groups*. I had 12,400 hits for "cambelt failure". Try this.....(for a cure) Visualise the honda tv advert for clean diesels... How does it go ( hum it ) the engines are flying over the fields........ ( but its about belts & chains now not clean Honda`s:) the old engines fly past ( carry on humming) one snaps its cambelt and smashes its valves, head, and drops into the field smoking. Another has a waterpump whip the cambelt off and there is a smashing of valves and pistons, the third old engine soars over the field and and "snap" ...... The field is covered in bits of cambelt, piles of broken valves, ruined heads and pistons.... common rail injectors where the broken valves have been driven up ito them... Then the new engine flies past..... its a new camchain design and its chain runs in an oil bath of mobil 1........ Does this still not seem better engineering and safer for the wallet? Hey! This is an attempt at humour ! there is no offence intended to anyone :) (and some of my cars are still on belts) Mik ( a belated hello to group too :) > Can it be better for the psyche ( re potential horrific costs) to > believe belts are really better than chains despite significant > objective evidence against this? > ( for a little evidence try a Google search of *groups*. I had 12,400 > hits for "cambelt failure". Well that's because there's a lot written about it, and a lot of people don't even know what a cambelt is, let alone that you're supposed to get it changed. I've just googled "timing chain" failure and it returned 58,900 results. Though "timing chain failure" only gives 1120 results, so you win :-) > Try this.....(for a cure) Visualise the honda tv advert for clean > diesels... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > common rail injectors where the broken valves have been driven up ito > them... Personally, I think you're obsessed with common rail injectors! I'm no expert, but AFAIK valves generally just bend - injectors are connected to relatively thin injector pipes, and the valves would have to smash into millions of tiny little pieces for them to get driven up into the injectors. The only thing that makes commonrail injectors/high pressure pumps expensive is the cost of replacing them, which is often due to age (around 150-200k ish) or possibly due to moisture, as a result of condensation gathering due to the fuel filter not being changed often enough. > Then the new engine flies past..... its a new camchain design and its > chain runs in an oil bath of mobil 1........ > Does this still not seem better engineering and safer for the wallet? > Hey! This is an attempt at humour ! there is no offence intended to > anyone :) > (and some of my cars are still on belts) Well I reckon, just to cope with all situations, this advert of yours should have a chain driven engine that's been mechanically neglected, because it was bought by some pikey due to its cheaper overall running costs, and the chain tensioner has failed because it's driven by oil pressure, and the oil's well overdue a change, with pistons whacking into valves as a result! :-) > ( a belated hello to group too :) Hello!  Signature"Doctor Fox was on the panel and I asked him why we didn't even get nominated, and he said 'because you're not very good'. <pause> At least I don't practise medicine without a license." - Ricky Gervais on the Sony Radio Awards >big snip< > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Hello! Hello again :) Yes, quite right. I wish I had written it all up from the alternative perspective now advocating not buying chains... (LOL) >> big snip< >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I wish I had written it all up from the alternative perspective now > advocating not buying chains... (LOL) There's a lot to be said for horses. Free garden fertiliser for one thing. No timing chain or belt for another. And it keeps your lawn down. A win-win situation not dependant on Arabs. Huw Snip > There's a lot to be said for horses. Free garden fertiliser for one thing. > No timing chain or belt for another. And it keeps your lawn down. A win-win > situation not dependant on Arabs. > > Huw Agreed, Hoof drive and double overhead teeth ......... Mik |
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