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OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your opinion, is the ugliest? ally > OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your > opinion, is the ugliest? It's a bit subjective, but it's generally reckoned that Ford Scorpios, Fiat Muliplas and Ssanyongs all fell out of the ugly tree.  SignatureRegards, Vince. On the road in The Gambia- http://tinyurl.com/3xmbt7 > OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your > opinion, is the ugliest? Personally, the Toyota Yaris Verso. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >> opinion, is the ugliest? > > Personally, the Toyota Yaris Verso. Excellent! <rubbing hands like Mr Burns...> I hope to be the proud owner of one before long.... ally >>> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >>> opinion, is the ugliest? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Excellent! <rubbing hands like Mr Burns...> I hope to be the proud owner > of one before long.... That's just it, though. I see their point. Spacious, yet compact. But they are ugly. Still I find the shape of the Ka shapely and curvy, but it isn't to all tastes. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > Still I find the shape of the Ka shapely and curvy, but it isn't to > all tastes. Was lent a Ka a while ago and found it handled pretty well zipping about town. Not a car for the open road but fun in confined spaces. Wasn't it's suspension designed by Jackie Stewart or Moss or somone of that ilk? I seem to remember them starting out with a wheel at each extreme corner to eliminate overhangs for better handling..... I still think the red ones with ladybird spots are fun too, sad huh? Les SignatureRemove Frontal Lobes to reply direct. "Oh Bother!" said the Borg, "We've assimilated Pooh!" "That's 10 times I've explained binary to you. I won't tell you a 3rd time!" http://armsofmorpheus.blogspot.com/ http://www.richarddawkins.net/index.php Les Hemmings a.a #2251 SA > Wasn't it's suspension designed by Jackie Stewart or Moss or somone of > that ilk? Not outside of a marketing muppet's fevered brain, no. The Kak is just a chopped down and reskinned mid-90s Fester. >> Wasn't it's suspension designed by Jackie Stewart or Moss or somone of >> that ilk? > > Not outside of a marketing muppet's fevered brain, no. > > The Kak is just a chopped down and reskinned mid-90s Fester. And it drives in a similar fashion, but with what Ford at the time called a bias more towards fun than comfort. It has better roll resistance and a marginally firmer ride. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >> The Kak is just a chopped down and reskinned mid-90s Fester. > And it drives in a similar fashion, Oh, dear. That bad, eh? > It has better roll resistance Just what's so wrong with body roll, anyway...? Accept that, and you're half way to getting perfectly decent roadholding *AND* good ride. >>> The Kak is just a chopped down and reskinned mid-90s Fester. > >> And it drives in a similar fashion, > > Oh, dear. That bad, eh? Pffft. >> It has better roll resistance > > Just what's so wrong with body roll, anyway...? Nothing, but like chocolate, too much of it is a bad thing. > Accept that, and you're > half way to getting perfectly decent roadholding *AND* good ride. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say, but, yes. You have your body roll, your relatively smooth ride and great handling with the Ka. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >>>> The Kak is just a chopped down and reskinned mid-90s Fester. >>> And it drives in a similar fashion, >> Oh, dear. That bad, eh? > Pffft. I don't think letting the tyres down'll help it, y'know. >>> It has better roll resistance >> Just what's so wrong with body roll, anyway...? > Nothing, but like chocolate, too much of it is a bad thing. In that case, my 2cv van (with slightly wider tyres and more supportive seats) must be Really Quite A Large Bowl of triple chocolate chip ice cream, with chocolate sauce and some flakes stuck in it. >> Accept that, and you're >> half way to getting perfectly decent roadholding *AND* good ride. > I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say, but, yes. You have > your body roll, your relatively smooth ride and great handling with > the Ka. Thought you said they'd made efforts to cut the roll...? >>>>> The Kak is just a chopped down and reskinned mid-90s Fester. > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Thought you said they'd made efforts to cut the roll...? They did, but you still have body roll. It's reduced with the rally suspension setup: www.dervman.com/forum/kermittd.jpg. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >> Thought you said they'd made efforts to cut the roll...? > They did, but you still have body roll. It's reduced with the rally > suspension setup: www.dervman.com/forum/kermittd.jpg. Exactly. That's not body roll. THIS is body roll. http://storage.canalblog.com/90/56/177992/6544707.jpg >>> Thought you said they'd made efforts to cut the roll...? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > THIS is body roll. > http://storage.canalblog.com/90/56/177992/6544707.jpg ROFL! I had to *throw* the lad into Luffield to get that sort of body roll... SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >>> Thought you said they'd made efforts to cut the roll...? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > THIS is body roll. > http://storage.canalblog.com/90/56/177992/6544707.jpg What a great pic! If only there was an mpeg. Chris SignatureRemove prejudice to reply. >>> Thought you said they'd made efforts to cut the roll...? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > THIS is body roll. > http://storage.canalblog.com/90/56/177992/6544707.jpg Now, Citroen *really know how to do body roll :-) SignatureTunku "end user" v. A command regrettably not implemented in most systems :-) >>>> Thought you said they'd made efforts to cut the roll...? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Now, Citroen *really know how to do body roll :-) They do and they don't. ISTR seeing a pic of a Xantia Activa going around a corner at the same speed as an Audi A4 (similar spec/engine size) - no competition. Signature"For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died." >> Now, Citroen *really know how to do body roll :-) > They do and they don't. ISTR seeing a pic of a Xantia Activa going > around a corner at the same speed as an Audi A4 (similar spec/engine > size) - no competition. Indeed. Hydraulic activation of anti-roll rams. And a ride like a BMW... > > They do and they don't. ISTR seeing a pic of a Xantia Activa going > > around a corner at the same speed as an Audi A4 (similar spec/engine > > size) - no competition. > Indeed. Hydraulic activation of anti-roll rams. > And a ride like a BMW... That's actually not a compliment if meant. Plenty cars have a far better ride than any BMW. That's why they're considered more a driver's car. Signature*Ah, I see the f**k-up fairy has visited us again Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> > They do and they don't. ISTR seeing a pic of a Xantia Activa going >> > around a corner at the same speed as an Audi A4 (similar spec/engine [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > That's actually not a compliment if meant. Plenty cars have a far better > ride than any BMW. That's why they're considered more a driver's car. Hmm. Yes that may be true, but as you know, an "ordinary" specification 5-series has a wonderful blend of handling and ride. It's my personal benchmark. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > > That's actually not a compliment if meant. Plenty cars have a far > > better ride than any BMW. That's why they're considered more a > > driver's car. > Hmm. Yes that may be true, but as you know, an "ordinary" specification > 5-series has a wonderful blend of handling and ride. > It's my personal benchmark. I've got one and I'd agree - for the driver. But the big Jags are much more comfortable for a passenger. Big Citroens too. Signature*Remember not to forget that which you do not need to know.* Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. In news:4eba6dc0b1dave@davenoise.co.uk, Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wittered on forthwith; >>> That's actually not a compliment if meant. Plenty cars have a far >>> better ride than any BMW. That's why they're considered more a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I've got one and I'd agree - for the driver. But the big Jags are much > more comfortable for a passenger. Big Citroens too. The 540i I had was blighted with the M spec suspension and wheels. Fine above 40 mph, awful below. SignaturePete M - Using the Scouse Side of the Force - Golf GTi, Mercedes 190E Auto OMF#9 Ok, I admit it, I like Renault 5s. >> > That's actually not a compliment if meant. Plenty cars have a far >> > better ride than any BMW. That's why they're considered more a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I've got one and I'd agree - for the driver. But the big Jags are much > more comfortable for a passenger. Big Citroens too. Passenger? Freeloaders! But, yes you're absolutely right. That said I'd throw the seats into the equation too. This brings the Volvos and Saabs into the equation too... SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >> > They do and they don't. ISTR seeing a pic of a Xantia Activa going >> > around a corner at the same speed as an Audi A4 (similar spec/engine [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >That's actually not a compliment if meant. Plenty cars have a far better >ride than any BMW. That's why they're considered more a driver's car. From Adrian? About a BMW? A compliment? SignatureIan D >>> > They do and they don't. ISTR seeing a pic of a Xantia Activa going >>> > around a corner at the same speed as an Audi A4 (similar spec/engine >>> > size) - no competition. >>> Indeed. Hydraulic activation of anti-roll rams. >> >>> And a ride like a BMW... >>That's actually not a compliment if meant. Plenty cars have a far better >>ride than any BMW. That's why they're considered more a driver's car. > From Adrian? About a BMW? A compliment? I knew somebody'd understand... >>>> Thought you said they'd made efforts to cut the roll...? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Now, Citroen *really know how to do body roll :-) Had a 19 BX GTi that was the best car in a bend i've ever had. Felt like it didn't roll an inch no matter how hard you pushed and gripped like the proverbial to a blanket. Left lots of much more expensive metal for dead especially in the twisty bits... Les SignatureRemove Frontal Lobes to reply direct. "Oh Bother!" said the Borg, "We've assimilated Pooh!" "That's 10 times I've explained binary to you. I won't tell you a 3rd time!" http://armsofmorpheus.blogspot.com/ http://www.richarddawkins.net/index.php Les Hemmings a.a #2251 SA >>>> Thought you said they'd made efforts to cut the roll...? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Now, Citroen *really know how to do body roll :-) Well, it's a necessity really - it alerts you to the fact that there's a corner. Otherwise you might not notice, and be looking in the wrong direction. :-) SignatureIan D >>> The Kak is just a chopped down and reskinned mid-90s Fester. > >> And it drives in a similar fashion, > > Oh, dear. That bad, eh? Heh - assuming mid-90s is referring to the Mk4 Fiesta, then they're a bloody good drive. >> It has better roll resistance > > Just what's so wrong with body roll, anyway...? Ah yes, the man who likes 2CVs :-) Signature"For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died." >> Still I find the shape of the Ka shapely and curvy, but it isn't to >> all tastes. > > Was lent a Ka a while ago and found it handled pretty well zipping about > town. Not a car for the open road but fun in confined spaces. Hmm. Fun on the track too, though: www.dervman.com/forum/kermittd.jpg Mine was never quick in a straight line but surprisingly composed elsewhere, especially under braking. > Wasn't it's suspension designed by Jackie Stewart or Moss or somone of > that ilk? I seem to remember them starting out with a wheel at each > extreme corner to eliminate overhangs for better handling..... Yes that and to have lots of interior space. Ford sacrificed the rear seats for the front seats and the boot. > I still think the red ones with ladybird spots are fun too, sad huh? Heh, silly but fun. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > Excellent! <rubbing hands like Mr Burns...> I hope to be the proud owner > of one before long.... It's reckoned locally that Dungeness B power station would be the best place in Kent to have as your home.... on the grounds that it's the only place in Kent from which you cannot see Dungeness B power station...... I guess the same logic applies. Happy motoring! SignatureRegards, Vince. On the road in The Gambia- http://tinyurl.com/3xmbt7 > OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your opinion, > is the ugliest? Daihatsu Materia http://www.channel4.com/4car/gl/gallery/gallery/4639/11 >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >> opinion, is the ugliest? > > Daihatsu Materia > > http://www.channel4.com/4car/gl/gallery/gallery/4639/11 You've taken it too far now... SignatureTunku "end user" v. A command regrettably not implemented in most systems :-) >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >> opinion, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.channel4.com/4car/gl/gallery/gallery/4639/11 Oooh... I think I'm in love... aly > OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your > opinion, is the ugliest? Pontiac Aztec http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Aztek Signature"Get a paper bag" >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >> opinion, is the ugliest? > > Pontiac Aztec > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Aztek Hmm... It'd be OK so long as you didn't have to look at its face (I see the point about the paper bag). Is that the one Homer Simpson designed by any chance? ally >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >> opinion, is the ugliest? > > Pontiac Aztec > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Aztek I'd have to agree. The Skoda Roomster is also a car with seriously f.cked up styling. It's like they took the front of one car, the back of another and stuck em together. >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >> opinion, is the ugliest? > > Pontiac Aztec > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Aztek That's one ugly car... SignatureAbo BATracer: Browser Based Racing Simulation: http://batracer.com/-1FrontPage.htm?6q0 > OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your > opinion, is the ugliest? Ssang Yong Rodius http://motor.terra.es/addon/img/motor/1315be6ssanyongrod09p.jpg SignatureAlex "I laugh in the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away" www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >> opinion, is the ugliest? >> > Ssang Yong Rodius > > http://motor.terra.es/addon/img/motor/1315be6ssanyongrod09p.jpg Oh, I don't know, though! It's like one of those manga characters with a little cheeky smile, isn't it? ally >>> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >>> opinion, is the ugliest? >> Ssang Yong Rodius >> >> http://motor.terra.es/addon/img/motor/1315be6ssanyongrod09p.jpg > Oh, I don't know, though! It's like one of those manga characters with a > little cheeky smile, isn't it? That pic doesn't show the true awfulness of the side or rear. > OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your > opinion, is the ugliest? The Suzuki X90 by a country mile ... http://www.rocky-road.com/media/x90side.jpg SignatureAndrewR, D.Bot (Celeritas) Kawasaki ZX-6R J1, Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo BOTAFOT#2,ITJWTFO#6,UKRMRM#1/13a,MCT#1,DFV#2,SKoGA#0 (and KotL) BotToS#5,SBS#25,IbW#34, DS#5, COSOC# Suspended, KotTFSTR# The speccy Geordie twat. >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >> opinion, is the ugliest? > > The Suzuki X90 by a country mile ... > http://www.rocky-road.com/media/x90side.jpg rofl! That is one hilarious car! ally >> The Suzuki X90 by a country mile ... >> http://www.rocky-road.com/media/x90side.jpg > rofl! That is one hilarious car! Indeed, but you can't wholly blame Suzuki for that one. http://www.skopelosweb.gr/magiccars/cars/x90.jpg >> The Suzuki X90 by a country mile ... >> http://www.rocky-road.com/media/x90side.jpg >> > rofl! That is one hilarious car! It was famously described by one Clarkson, J as "a surfboard f.cking a beach ball." >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >> opinion, is the ugliest? > > The Suzuki X90 by a country mile ... > http://www.rocky-road.com/media/x90side.jpg It's like a fall back to the "Doctor's Coupe" of the '20s. Of course they are considered classics now - doubt if that will :-) Slatts > OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your > opinion, is the ugliest? It *has* to be the PPing-Ppong Rodius http://www.syukcars.co.uk/line_up/page4_06.asp http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/dennis/20060306/18/796428993.jpg It's so truly hideous it makes you wonder as if the styling team were actively trying to see how bad they could get - but it backfired when it was approved for production. > > OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your > > opinion, is the ugliest? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > actively trying to see how bad they could get - but it backfired when it > was approved for production. The Actyon is showing some real ugly potential.... SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >> > OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >> > opinion, is the ugliest? >> It *has* to be the PPing-Ppong Rodius >> http://www.syukcars.co.uk/line_up/page4_06.asp [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> actively trying to see how bad they could get - but it backfired when >> it was approved for production. > The Actyon is showing some real ugly potential.... For any other manufacturer, it'd be unforgivably bad. For Pping-Pppong, it's a step up. >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >> opinion, is the ugliest? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > actively trying to see how bad they could get - but it backfired when it > was approved for production. Did they have to get planning permission for the loft conversion? >>> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >>> opinion, is the ugliest? >> It *has* to be the PPing-Ppong Rodius >> http://www.syukcars.co.uk/line_up/page4_06.asp [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> actively trying to see how bad they could get - but it backfired when >> it was approved for production. > Did they have to get planning permission for the loft conversion? Unfortunately not. The stylists would like several other offences, including the arse (particularly the tail-lights) of the Kyron, to be taken into account, yerhonner. >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >> opinion, is the ugliest? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > actively trying to see how bad they could get - but it backfired when it > was approved for production. Doesn't look too bad from the front, but the rear.... um... ally > OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your opinion, > is the ugliest? > > ally Site name says it all ... http://www.uglycars.co.uk/ > Site name says it all ... > > http://www.uglycars.co.uk/ He's got the BMW Z3 Coupe in there ... I like that. Mind you, I like Scimitars as well. SignatureAndrewR, D.Bot (Celeritas) Kawasaki ZX-6R J1, Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo BOTAFOT#2,ITJWTFO#6,UKRMRM#1/13a,MCT#1,DFV#2,SKoGA#0 (and KotL) BotToS#5,SBS#25,IbW#34, DS#5, COSOC# Suspended, KotTFSTR# The speccy Geordie twat. >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your opinion, >> is the ugliest? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.uglycars.co.uk/ Whoever compiled that list is an idiot. > >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your > >> opinion, is the ugliest? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > http://www.uglycars.co.uk/ > Whoever compiled that list is an idiot. Absolutely. The first car on the list is a Citroen DS. Anyone who thinks that ugly is brain dead. And many of the others are plain or just lacking in flair. Ugly is different... Signature*Red meat is not bad for you. Fuzzy green meat is bad for you. Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >> >> opinion, is the ugliest? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > that ugly is brain dead. And many of the others are plain or just lacking > in flair. Ugly is different... Yep. I hate modern Citroens, but the DS is a beautiful classic. I also take exception to the inclusion of the Ford Anglia 105E. When viewed in the context of its era, it's quite good looking. Chris SignatureRemove prejudice to reply. >> >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >> >> opinion, is the ugliest? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > that ugly is brain dead. And many of the others are plain or just lacking > in flair. Ugly is different... I like 'em. What irritates is journalists gushing over it. It's different - but personally I think 'beautiful' is pushing it...... It's certainly one of the most sophisticated cars of it's time... > OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your > opinion, is the ugliest? Allegro VDP. Any recent design Rolls or Bentley. Signature*The hardness of the butter is proportional to the softness of the bread * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your > opinion, is the ugliest? Citroen Ami... http://www.carsurvey.org/images/citroen_ami_8_1.jpg SignatureJackH >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >> opinion, is the ugliest? > Citroen Ami... > > http://www.carsurvey.org/images/citroen_ami_8_1.jpg FFS, if you're going to claim the Ami, at least claim the much more... idiosyncratic... earlier Ami 6, not the blanded-down 8. http://www.multiart.nu/fulabilar/standard_europa/citroen_ami6.gif (I'd also quite strongly disagree, but then I only recently sold the Ami I had for 16 years...) >>> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >>> opinion, is the ugliest? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > (I'd also quite strongly disagree, but then I only recently sold the Ami I > had for 16 years...) Actually the later one is worse (imho) simply because it *is* blander and less ideosyncratic. The older one is loaded with character. The later one looks like a fridge that's suffered a horrible accident in a teleport machine. ally >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >> opinion, is the ugliest? > >Citroen Ami... > >http://www.carsurvey.org/images/citroen_ami_8_1.jpg That's the wrong Ami. You want the Ami 6. "http://www.2cvgb.co.uk/2cvgb_site_folder/2cv_family_album_folder/Ami%206%20break.jpg" http://tinyurl.com/29nqcx SignatureIan D >>> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >>> opinion, is the ugliest? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > "http://www.2cvgb.co.uk/2cvgb_site_folder/2cv_family_album_folder/Ami%206%20break.jpg" > http://tinyurl.com/29nqcx It's still as ugly as sin. And my dad had two of them... the Super was quite rapid, mind. SignatureJackH > And my dad had two of them... the Super was quite rapid, mind. Mine was a Super. >> And my dad had two of them... the Super was quite rapid, mind. > > Mine was a Super. "Hello. Is that trading standards?" SignatureJackH > OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your opinion, > is the ugliest? Ford Focus Ford Ka Ford Mondeo Ford Galaxy Ford Fiesta .....any crappy hatch back, estate or people carrier. >> OK, since I've come out as a lover of ugly cars, which one, in your >> opinion, >> is the ugliest? > > Ford Focus Yay! got to agree there, I don't care how good they are, I can't see past those pointy silver bits on the front lights - UGLY. At least they've almost gone on the new one. Z |
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