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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / General Car Topics (UK group) / April 2007Remote central locking - how old?
According to the Wife's "20 years of Prima" magazine, which I was honestly only glancing at in a moment of sheer despair, remote central locking was "introduced in the late 80's and by 1990 was pretty much standard in all cars". Is that accurate? My current car is a 2001 model, and that was the first car I ever owned with remote central locking - was it really that common in 1990? D. > According to the Wife's "20 years of Prima" magazine, which I was honestly > only glancing at in a moment of sheer despair, remote central locking was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > My current car is a 2001 model, and that was the first car I ever owned with > remote central locking - was it really that common in 1990? No. I think they're confusing key operated central locking with plip operated locking, IYSWIM.  SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # > No. I think they're confusing key operated central locking with plip > operated locking, IYSWIM. I suspect you're probably right - just got me concerned that I'd spent 11 years without remote central locking by clearly buying cars that were bottom of the range ;) D. >> No. I think they're confusing key operated central locking with plip >> operated locking, IYSWIM. > > I suspect you're probably right - just got me concerned that I'd > spent 11 years without remote central locking by clearly buying cars > that were bottom of the range ;) My W-Reg Ka3 only had key operated central locking which I thought was odd for a top of the range model. SignatureAlex "I laugh in the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away" www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk >>> No. I think they're confusing key operated central locking with plip >>> operated locking, IYSWIM. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > My W-Reg Ka3 only had key operated central locking which I thought was odd > for a top of the range model. Not so much for the top model, but anyway, because for a city bound machine, remote locking is perfect for the busy shopper. Ford only introduced remote locking with the Luxury model, along with that gorgeous full leather interior. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > According to the Wife's "20 years of Prima" magazine, which I was > honestly only glancing at in a moment of sheer despair, remote central > locking was "introduced in the late 80's and by 1990 was pretty much > standard in all cars". Is that accurate? > My current car is a 2001 model, and that was the first car I ever owned > with remote central locking - was it really that common in 1990? No. I had a fully loaded '92 BMW where it was an aftermarket fitment as part of the alarm. The Japanese may have been earlier with factory fit, though. Signature*There's no place like www.home.com * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> According to the Wife's "20 years of Prima" magazine, which I was >> honestly only glancing at in a moment of sheer despair, remote central [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >part of the alarm. The Japanese may have been earlier with factory fit, >though. I had a 1990 Nissan Bluebird which had remote central locking and alarm - and it closed all the windows too. Never had the windows feature since. Signaturevulgarandmischevious >>> According to the Wife's "20 years of Prima" magazine, which I was >>> honestly only glancing at in a moment of sheer despair, remote [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > alarm - and it closed all the windows too. Never had the windows > feature since. Both my Octavias have had remote locking , and they've also had a "convenience" feature that will open and close all the windows. Daft thing is that requires you to put the key in the lock - not very convenient at all. SignatureAlex "I laugh in the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away" www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk In news:5753v3F2c05rnU1@mid.individual.net, David Wright <morenewsgroupspam@gmail.com> wittered on forthwith; > According to the Wife's "20 years of Prima" magazine, which I was > honestly only glancing at in a moment of sheer despair, remote [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > My current car is a 2001 model, and that was the first car I ever > owned with remote central locking - was it really that common in 1990? I know that the Renault 18 Turbo had it because I had an "X" reg one and the plip still worked. I /think/ it was the Fuego that was first to have it. Audi was fitting it in the mid '80s to top spec 100's, the sensor was on the drivers side door pillar. Irritating if you wanted to open up and approached the car from the passengers side (no sensor on that side..) SignaturePete M - Using the Scouse Side of the Force - Golf GTi (Dead), Mercedes 190E Auto (also dead) OMF#9 Currently listening to the 747s "Zampano" > In news:5753v3F2c05rnU1@mid.individual.net, > David Wright <morenewsgroupspam@gmail.com> wittered on forthwith; [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > the drivers side door pillar. Irritating if you wanted to open up and > approached the car from the passengers side (no sensor on that side..) I recall one of the bosses where I used to work had a 2.3 five pot 100 and had Audi fit a sensor to the passenger side, presumably at great expense. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > According to the Wife's "20 years of Prima" magazine, which I was > honestly only glancing at in a moment of sheer despair, remote central > locking was "introduced in the late 80's and by 1990 was pretty much > standard in all cars". Is that accurate? It was fairly common on the upper end of the PSA range by the mid/late 80s - BXs, 405s, CXs all use the same IR plipper. I seem to recall my mother's F-reg Rover 800 having remote locking. > My current car is a 2001 model, and that was the first car I ever owned with > remote central locking - was it really that common in 1990? The first car I had with remote locking was an Audi 80 in about 1985, and it was standard fit on all Citroen BX and Peugeot 405 models. I had a BX in 1987, and that came with a "plip". AFAIR by 1990 every car in the company fleet had remote central locking. They were all infra-red with a sensor located near the rear view mirror. RCL by wireless didn't happen until later. > The first car I had with remote locking was an Audi 80 in about 1985, > and it was standard fit on all Citroen BX and Peugeot 405 models. I had an '89 405 that did not even possess central locking. The early specs were completely daft on that car - to get PAS it also came with an electric sunroof (the most pointless car accessory ever IMHO), but not electric windows or central locking. Other non-options were shoulder wear on the front tyres, understeer, diagonal pitching and a notorious starting problem. > I had a BX in 1987, and that came with a "plip". ...and Citroen seemed to know a lot more about carburettors. >> The first car I had with remote locking was an Audi 80 in about 1985, >> and it was standard fit on all Citroen BX and Peugeot 405 models. > > I had an '89 405 that did not even possess central locking. The early > specs were completely daft on that car - to get PAS it also came with an > electric sunroof (the most pointless car accessory ever IMHO) I enjoyed the Honda's electric roof. I'm not sure why. I enjoyed being able to jump into the car, open the windows (okay so you couldn't do that) and the roof inside a few seconds and let a lot of the hot air escape. > but not electric windows or central locking. Other non-options were > shoulder wear on the front tyres, understeer, These two are related. They're also related to the input of your right foot and hands on the wheel. :) > diagonal pitching and a notorious starting problem. Am I thinking the carb hot start problems? >> I had a BX in 1987, and that came with a "plip". > > ...and Citroen seemed to know a lot more about carburettors. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > > I had an '89 405 that did not even possess central locking. The early > > specs were completely daft on that car - to get PAS it also came with > > an electric sunroof (the most pointless car accessory ever IMHO) > I enjoyed the Honda's electric roof. I'm not sure why. I enjoyed being > able to jump into the car, open the windows (okay so you couldn't do > that) and the roof inside a few seconds and let a lot of the hot air > escape. Yes. A sunroof is an excellent device for UK weather - especially at this time of the year. And I doubt an electrically operated type costs that much more than a manual locking mechanism. Signature*Growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. In news:4ecca1ee33dave@davenoise.co.uk, Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wittered on forthwith; >>> I had an '89 405 that did not even possess central locking. The >>> early specs were completely daft on that car - to get PAS it also [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > this time of the year. And I doubt an electrically operated type > costs that much more than a manual locking mechanism. I not a fan of the sunroof. The Golf has one, but I've only opened it to see if it does actually open. SignaturePete M - Using the Scouse Side of the Force - Golf GTi (Dead), Mercedes 190E Auto (also dead) OMF#9 Currently listening to the 747s "Zampano" > In news:4ecca1ee33dave@davenoise.co.uk, > Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wittered on forthwith; [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I not a fan of the sunroof. The Golf has one, but I've only opened it to > see if it does actually open. I like the metal ones, 'cos that way they don't let any extra heat into the car. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > "DavidR" <curedham@4bidden.org.uk> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > that) and the roof inside a few seconds and let a lot of the hot air > escape. Not having leccy windows doesn't mean they couldn't be opened... In fact, on a hot day you can open windy windows before you put the key in the slot. Anyway, aircon is ultimately much better at venting hot air. I didn't seek aircon when I replaced the Peugeot but I was determined that whatever I got, NOT having a sunroof was a required feature. >> but not electric windows or central locking. Other non-options were >> shoulder wear on the front tyres, understeer, > > These two are related. They're also related to the input of your right > foot and hands on the wheel. :) Possibly... So long as it's the same issue when driving other cars. When a problem is perceived with something there are always a number of sanity checks to go through. Is it the user? Is it broken? Is it a feature? a) Other 405 owners had worse tyre wear than mine. Technique y'know. b) It had trailing arm rear suspension with linear rate springing - which must ring alarm bells. c) Understeer and diagonal pitching suggest an anti-roll bar issue - but more rear stiffness and less front would have caused those trailing arms to produce roll oversteer: a feature some manufacturers don't like giving to widows & orphans. The greater tendency to lift its inside wheel compared to the BX was another symptom of too much front stiffness. I was at Silverstone a few years ago and I was watching people taking their own cars round the inner track. A 405 approached and I said to my wife something along the lines of "that's an odd choice for a track day". Sure enough, not only slow but it consumed an awful lot of road compared to everything else. So, not a user issue, it wasn't broken and "they're all like that sir". >> diagonal pitching and a notorious starting problem. > > Am I thinking the carb hot start problems? A bit of an understatement. The carb was overheated and when the engine was switched off the petrol boiled out of the float chamber and siphoned out of the jets. Significantly, after the complaints Peugeot first ran the radiator fan for a few minutes after switching off. Later they changed to an electric throttle body heater. I tried clamping the hot water pipe and fitting an insulator between the heater block and throttle body. It helped but didn't cure. Starting wasn't the only issue: I bodged up a different choke cam and ignored the factory adjustments to vastly improve the cold running. >> "DavidR" <curedham@4bidden.org.uk> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > on a hot day you can open windy windows before you put the key in the > slot. Yes, you're right, they can be opened. Requires mooching about in the back of the car stretched over the seats to do so but it can be done. > Anyway, aircon is ultimately much better at venting hot air. Yes, it is, except for during the first minute or two. On recirculation mode it does a good job of it but during the early moments, when the ventilation system is hot too, the interior is many degrees above ambient air temperature, opening as many windows or sunroofs as possible is advantageous. Many handbooks recommend doing this to let the superhot air escape. > I didn't seek > aircon when I replaced the Peugeot but I was determined that whatever I > got, NOT having a sunroof was a required feature. The best compromise is a metal 'roof. >>> but not electric windows or central locking. Other non-options were >>> shoulder wear on the front tyres, understeer, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Possibly... So long as it's the same issue when driving other cars. :) > When a problem is perceived with something there are always a number of > sanity checks to go through. Is it the user? Is it broken? Is it a > feature? Yes I agree. > a) Other 405 owners had worse tyre wear than mine. Technique y'know. > b) It had trailing arm rear suspension with linear rate springing - which [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to > the BX was another symptom of too much front stiffness. Hmm. It may have been that particular model... I have only borrowed a 405 once and used it for a long haul motorway trip. I can't comment further! :-p > I was at Silverstone a few years ago and I was watching people taking > their > own cars round the inner track. A 405 approached and I said to my wife > something along the lines of "that's an odd choice for a track day". Sure > enough, not only slow but it consumed an awful lot of road compared to > everything else. That may have been the driver, though. > So, not a user issue, it wasn't broken and "they're all like that sir". > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Starting wasn't the only issue: I bodged up a different choke cam and > ignored the factory adjustments to vastly improve the cold running. Heh! SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > "DavidR" <curedham@4bidden.org.uk> wrote > Hmm. It may have been that particular model... I have only borrowed a > 405 once and used it for a long haul motorway trip. I can't comment > further! It was pretty reasonable in that mode. It had some absolutely marvellous seats which I really missed after it was gone. They eventually fixed the tyre wear problem for the L/M model year and presumably that improved the handling so it does depend on when you drove it >> I was at Silverstone a few years ago and I was watching people taking >> their [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > That may have been the driver, though. An element... but on a track it's usually not difficult to distinguish car faults from driver faults. >> "DavidR" <curedham@4bidden.org.uk> wrote >> Hmm. It may have been that particular model... I have only borrowed a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It was pretty reasonable in that mode. It had some absolutely marvellous > seats which I really missed after it was gone. At the time I found the seats unremarkable, but as a caveat, I was used to driving fleet cars of one badge or another and here "unremarkable" is a good thing. As unremarkable as the Mondeo, Laguna and Rover 600. Remarks I usually made were "awful seats" when referring to out Xantia SX or "excellent seats" talking about one of our Saab 9-3s. > They eventually fixed the tyre wear problem for the L/M model year and > presumably that improved the handling so it does depend on when you drove > it One of the latest turbodiesel estates, bought when the 406 saloon was available but not the 406 estate. That sounds like it. It was fair loaded too. >>> I was at Silverstone a few years ago and I was watching people taking >>> their [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > An element... but on a track it's usually not difficult to distinguish car > faults from driver faults. *thinks back to the time when he went off in the Ka* Because driver faults often result in some proper going off? :-) *grins* SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > an electric sunroof (the most pointless car accessory ever IMHO) I *love* sunroofs. Much prefer cars with 'em, even if there's aircon too. > > an electric sunroof (the most pointless car accessory ever IMHO) > I *love* sunroofs. Much prefer cars with 'em, even if there's aircon too. Yes - my E39 doesn't have one. Seems you can't if you have climate control - but you got one with the manual system. It's something I didn't notice when I bought the car. ;-) Signature*If at first you don't succeed, try management * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> > an electric sunroof (the most pointless car accessory ever IMHO) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > - but you got one with the manual system. It's something I didn't notice > when I bought the car. ;-) That's strange; my Nissan QX 3.0 SEL has both climate control and a sunroof. Like most others though, I've hardly ever used the sunroof, much preferring the climate control - and it doesn't mess up my ageing rock-star-length hair either :o) John > >> I *love* sunroofs. Much prefer cars with 'em, even if there's aircon > >> too. > > > > Yes - my E39 doesn't have one. Seems you can't if you have climate > > control - but you got one with the manual system. It's something I > > didn't notice when I bought the car. ;-) > That's strange; my Nissan QX 3.0 SEL has both climate control and a > sunroof. Like most others though, I've hardly ever used the sunroof, > much preferring the climate control - and it doesn't mess up my ageing > rock-star-length hair either :o) It's peculiar to that model of BMW in the UK - although I'm told you can have both to special order. But my car is an early one where you took what you got. ;-) Signature*There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead. Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > According to the Wife's "20 years of Prima" magazine, which I was honestly > only glancing at in a moment of sheer despair, remote central locking was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > D. I had an "E" reg (E [can't remember the numbers] TDH) Rover 800 Sterling with remote central locking and, although it was great in some ways it was a bit of a pain in the arse in that it had a range of about 30 yards. I could bend down to pick something up and inadvertantly unlock the car again :o( That was a damn good car though - bought it at 75,000 and it had 167,000 when I sold it and it hardly cost me anything except normal wear and tear parts such as tyres etc. John |
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