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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / General Car Topics (UK group) / December 2007Mini-Review: '07 Golf TDi 105
It's not particularly quiet. It's not particularly comfortable. It's not particularly... well, anything much. Apart from solid. It's very solid. I've come across flimsier mountains. The glove box lid feels like it's hewn from solid heaviness. So I dunno where the various bits of unattached plastic bracketry stuffed into the front armrest are from... The woman who delivered it said she thought it was really good to drive. Gawd, I'd hate to try the competition. I really hope they hurry up fixing the Saab. <uk.rec.cars.misc> <Adrian> <27 Nov 2007 11:23:55 GMT> <474bfe4b$0$47122$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net> > It's not particularly quiet. > It's not particularly comfortable. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The woman who delivered it said she thought it was really good to drive. > Gawd, I'd hate to try the competition. www.jpgimage.co.uk/full.php?image=343 Perhaps you would have prefered one of these ? . Krustov (Krustov <me@privacy.net>) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > www.jpgimage.co.uk/full.php?image=343 > > Perhaps you would have prefered one of these ? . At least it wouldn't be quite so... bland... The best thing I can find to say about the Golf so far is that there's an iPod plug in the front armrest. Shame I haven't got an iPod. > It's not particularly quiet. > It's not particularly comfortable. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I really hope they hurry up fixing the Saab. It could be worse; it might have been a petrol! I drove a 1.6 FSI hire car. I was convinced I'd been given a 1.4, and thought it gutless even for that engine. When I returned it, the staff told me that pretty much everyone who drove them said the same. It also seemed oddly old-fashioned inside too, although perhaps modern by 2CV standards ;-) Chris  SignatureRemove prejudice to reply. Chris Whelan (Chris Whelan <cawhelan@prejudicentlworld.com>) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > It could be worse; it might have been a petrol! > > I drove a 1.6 FSI hire car. I was convinced I'd been given a 1.4, and > thought it gutless even for that engine. At least "gutless" would be... _something_. > It also seemed oddly old-fashioned inside too, although perhaps modern > by 2CV standards ;-) Heh. I pressed one of the buttons on the steering wheel, and the dashboard started to give me a bollocking. "Don't do that! Wait until you've stopped! Honestly! Have you no sense? I'll tell on you! I will!" > Chris Whelan (Chris Whelan <cawhelan@prejudicentlworld.com>) gurgled > happily, sounding much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > At least "gutless" would be... _something_. I quite like it - it doesn't understeer particularly, you can make the tail swing about. Whilst it has almost no character at all, I can make myself grin when driving it, which makes it about 100000 times better than the B5 passat I drove for most of last year. >> It also seemed oddly old-fashioned inside too, although perhaps modern >> by 2CV standards ;-) > > Heh. I pressed one of the buttons on the steering wheel, and the > dashboard started to give me a bollocking. "Don't do that! Wait until > you've stopped! Honestly! Have you no sense? I'll tell on you! I will!" Heaven forbid you should drive off without putting your seatbelt on. It actually swears at you then. If there was a £500 'disable nag mode' option, I'd have taken it. Adrian (Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com>) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > It's not particularly quiet. > It's not particularly comfortable. > It's not particularly... well, anything much. I lied. It does do one thing very well indeed. Width. It's wide. Very, very, very f.cking wide indeed. Conor would feel at home with the width of this thing. It's over a c.nting _foot_ wider than the Saab. (You know what's coming, don't you?) That'll be one twatting NSF Michelin needed, then. FFS. _Idiot_. I haven't taken a tyre out for... <thinks> a bit over 10 years. <thinks further> Oh. sh.t. Since I last had a Golf... > It's not particularly quiet. > It's not particularly comfortable. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I really hope they hurry up fixing the Saab. Did you honestly expect any better from a poverty spec, diesel, family hatch? The only things the 1.9PD has going for it is that it's cheap (for a VW - it's Focus priced) and it'll do silly MPG for a car that size. To be honest, I often get these as a courtesy car, and always reckoned they weren't *that* bad for what they are - certainly beats the 1.2 Polo my other local VW dealer use as courtesy cars. Best one so far was a 2.0TDI-DSG Touran, sadly. Although the AA provided Bravo Multijet was bloody impressive for something so cheap. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate SteveH,<steve@italiancar.co.uk> managed to produce the following words of wisdom > Did you honestly expect any better from a poverty spec, diesel, family > hatch? > > The only things the 1.9PD has going for it is that it's cheap (for a > VW - it's Focus priced) and it'll do silly MPG for a car that size. Which means it's expensive for a VW. The Focus is /infinately/ superior in every single way. I was driving an '06 Focus 2.0 Ghia on Thursday and it was so much nicer than a new Golf that I felt sorry for VW. The Focus handles better, is quieter, comfier, has a better stereo, nicer seats and much better equipment. SignaturePete M - OMF#9 "Save your breath for cooling your porridge! W&P Range Rover V8 Turbo Scorpio Ultima 24v Tatra 805 > Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate > SteveH,<steve@italiancar.co.uk> managed to produce the following words [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > The Focus handles better, is quieter, comfier, has a better stereo, nicer > seats and much better equipment. Haven't driven a Focus, only the Focus based C-Max which was so shocking, I couldn't beleive Ford had released it to the public. Actually, I could, 'cos they've been punting out medicore shite for around 100 years and people still buy them. We'll never agree on this - you almost hate VWs as much as I hate Fords. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate SteveH,<steve@italiancar.co.uk> managed to produce the following words of wisdom >> Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate >> SteveH,<steve@italiancar.co.uk> managed to produce the following [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > We'll never agree on this - you almost hate VWs as much as I hate > Fords. I like good VWs, and I like good Fords. I despise Mk4 Escorts and the like as much as it's possible to. I just think that new VWs are awful. VW did a good thing in the mid '90s by improving interior build quality on mid range stuff, but they've slipped miles behind everyone else with everything else. Ford have been on a mission to improve the ride / handling of their new stuff to the extent that they're miles ahead of almost everyone. It's weird, VW have the "prestige" reputation but Ford make the better cars, and make them to much better standards. Fords Quality Control programme is widely accepted to be the best in the motor industry, which says something. SignaturePete M - OMF#9 "Save your breath for cooling your porridge! W&P Range Rover V8 Turbo Scorpio Ultima 24v Tatra 805 Pete M ("Pete M" <pete.murray@blueSPAMFREEyonder.co.uk>) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > I just think that new VWs are awful. No, it wasn't "awful". It was just... indifferent. > VW did a good thing in the mid '90s <cough> Mk3 Golf. > Fords Quality Control programme is widely accepted to be the best in the > motor industry, which says something. Have you heard the rumour that Ford are nearing a sale of Jag & Landy? Down to the last three bidders - two of whom are Tata & Mahindra. No, seriously... http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=17289 <shakes head sadly> Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate Adrian,<toomany2cvs@gmail.com> managed to produce the following words of wisdom > Pete M ("Pete M" <pete.murray@blueSPAMFREEyonder.co.uk>) gurgled > happily, sounding much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > <cough> > Mk3 Golf. Exactly, they stopped making that heap of shite. >> Fords Quality Control programme is widely accepted to be the best in >> the motor industry, which says something. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > <shakes head sadly> Having spoken to a few people who work at Land Rover (I'm sad enough to be in a Land Rover club, and there are members who work at the factory) they're hoping it'll be Tata.... at least the build quality will be better than VW if the Indians buy it.... SignaturePete M - OMF#9 "Save your breath for cooling your porridge! W&P Range Rover V8 Turbo Scorpio Ultima 24v Tatra 805 Pete M ("Pete M" <pete.murray@blueSPAMFREEyonder.co.uk>) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> VW did a good thing in the mid '90s >> <cough> >> Mk3 Golf. > Exactly, they stopped making that heap of shite. Built from '92-'97. I dunno which other years you consider the "mid '90s"... > Pete M ("Pete M" <pete.murray@blueSPAMFREEyonder.co.uk>) gurgled happily, > sounding much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Built from '92-'97. I dunno which other years you consider the "mid > '90s"... To be fair, look at the competition before slating it. Mk six hundred and twenty Escort MkIII Ashtray MkI Megane Citroen ZX (actually, they're not bad, really) Fiat Bravo / Brava (cooking version a bit sh.t, hot 5-potters surprisingly good) None of the above are particularly great cars, I'd say all, as a range, are worse than the MkIII. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >> Pete M ("Pete M" <pete.murray@blueSPAMFREEyonder.co.uk>) gurgled happily, >> sounding much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > None of the above are particularly great cars, I'd say all, as a range, > are worse than the MkIII. Pug 306? My choice of that class from that time. cheers, clive > >> Built from '92-'97. I dunno which other years you consider the "mid > >> '90s"... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Pug 306? My choice of that class from that time. Pretty much the same car as the ZX, only I hear the ZX was better built. Good cars, but not massively better than a MkIII Golf. All family hatches of that era ranged from sh.t to just about OK, IMHO. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >> Pug 306? My choice of that class from that time. > > Pretty much the same car as the ZX, only I hear the ZX was better > built. interesting comparison, french low cost junk hatchback vs french low cost junk hatchback Signaturere-configure the solar matrix in parallel for endothermic propulsion >> Pug 306? My choice of that class from that time. > > Pretty much the same car as the ZX, only I hear the ZX was better built. I've got quite a few friends with them who don't seem to have much problem. Ditto the two ZX's I know though. (I wonder if the pug "ooh, which brakes/steering/suspension shall we fit today?" thing applies to the ZX too...) Rather better looking - and remember, I'm a citro-phile. cheers, clive >>> Pete M ("Pete M" <pete.murray@blueSPAMFREEyonder.co.uk>) gurgled >>> happily, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Pug 306? My choice of that class from that time. The Bravo and Brava - the cars that weren't. Anything that was entertaining to drive was almost impossible to service. Anything that was okay to service was as dull as the rest to drive. Fiat dropped the ball with this one and went backwards from the Tipo in most respects. Mine too, probably. The mark three Golf was tepid to drive, not especially well built and a backwards step from the mark two other than more models had power assisted steering. The 306 and ZX, on the other hand, are a joy to drive. It wasn't especially well built, but you still see lots around today. The XUD and XUDT donks are superb, the smaller petrol engines bland. I remember driving that 1.4 petrol ZX and getting straight out of that into the company-provided 1.4 Golf. Thinking about this, the Escort was rapidly improved over the 90s, but it had to be. The Astra was as dull to drive as the Golf but well built and sturdy. The Corolla was just as dull to drive as the Golf but is still working. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > > Pug 306? My choice of that class from that time. > > The Bravo and Brava - the cars that weren't. Anything that was entertaining > to drive was almost impossible to service. Anything that was okay to > service was as dull as the rest to drive. Fiat dropped the ball with this > one and went backwards from the Tipo in most respects. The 1.8 HLX was a good compromise, but they're bloody difficult to find. Good cars, if you can find one, though. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >> > Pug 306? My choice of that class from that time. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The 1.8 HLX was a good compromise, but they're bloody difficult to find. > Good cars, if you can find one, though. Very rare. Originally the range was the 1.4, 1.6 and 1.8 as I remember, before they introduced the 2.0. Nobody bought the 1.8 because the motoring press considered the 1.6 to be all you'd ever need... SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate Clive George,<clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> managed to produce the following words of wisdom >>> Pete M ("Pete M" <pete.murray@blueSPAMFREEyonder.co.uk>) gurgled >>> happily, sounding much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>> Built from '92-'97. I dunno which other years you consider the "mid >>> '90s"... Ok, ok... lateish '90s. >> To be fair, look at the competition before slating it. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Pug 306? My choice of that class from that time. Mine too, until '98 when the Focus came out and spanked the living shite out of the Golf Mk4, to drive and live with, anyway. The Mk3 Golf is, IMO, the worst thing VW have ever made - VR6 engine apart. It's not as unreliable as the Mk5 Golf, however... Pug 306 GTi-6 is still one of the best handling FWD cars I've ever driven. I bought and sold a Mk4 Golf GT TDi 130 today, as it happens. SignaturePete M - OMF#9 "Save your breath for cooling your porridge! W&P Range Rover V8 Turbo Scorpio Ultima 24v Tatra 805 > It's weird, VW have the "prestige" reputation but Ford make the better cars, > and make them to much better standards. > > Fords Quality Control programme is widely accepted to be the best in the > motor industry, which says something. It's all very well having great quality control and screwing stuff together well - which I have no doubt Ford can do - but they do use some really shite materials - like the C-Max door panels that visibly flex away from the window channel when you rest your arm on the arm-rest bit. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate SteveH,<steve@italiancar.co.uk> managed to produce the following words of wisdom >> It's weird, VW have the "prestige" reputation but Ford make the >> better cars, and make them to much better standards. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > flex away from the window channel when you rest your arm on the > arm-rest bit. I've never noticed that, but I don't drive many C-Max. SignaturePete M - OMF#9 "Save your breath for cooling your porridge! W&P Range Rover V8 Turbo Scorpio Ultima 24v Tatra 805 Adrian (Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com>) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > It's not particularly quiet. > It's not particularly comfortable. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I really hope they hurry up fixing the Saab. Well, the Saab's back, and the Golf's gone. I only put about 250 miles on it in the week, mainly back lane, a bit of motorway. Good points. The lights are *fantastic*. And they weren't even the Xenons. Why would anybody need Xenons when Halogens can be that damn good? Bad points. Not much, really. The packaging's a bit bizarre - shedloads of width, with the passenger and your door both feeling miles away, but very little rear seat legroom, and not much boot space. Indifferent points. Everything else. Literally, damn near everything else was just plain... indifferent. Yes, it was solid - but felt leaden. So how come some of the finish was a bit ropy - the footwell lights (why WOULD you want to vary the intensity of them by 5% gradients, ffs?) illuminated a pile of dangly wires behind the throttle pedal. It wasn't quiet. At all. I thought all you dervaholics claimed you couldn't really tell a modern diesel by the sound apart from cold start? FFS, are you completely DEAF? I've also not stalled a car so much - EVER. Not even when I was learning. The engine management needs a good slap. The only way to pull away and guarantee it wouldn't go -clonk- and stop was to damn near Granny-park it - plenty of revs & clutch slip. I even managed to stall the f.cking thing changing gear whilst trickling in traffic. That's an achievement, especially in a diesel. Last diesel I drove (a DW8 Xsara), I got it from rest to 5th without touching the throttle at all. It wasn't particularly comfortable. The seat was just... strange... The steering wheel felt nice at first - big thick leather rim - then you start to realise the rim was TOO thick, and the diameter too small. The ride was a bit jiggly in places yet slightly too smooth in others. Odd. Ergonomics? Well... Christ alone knows why you'd want (presumably) a sunglasses locker in the overhead console. And who put the alarm ultrasonic override in the lower half of the B-pillar trim? Presumably the same muppet who hid the fuel flap release. It was too damn clever for it's own good. The autolights couldn't really make their minds up. The autowipers were OK, but occasionally wiped a dry screen, yet left a damp one. The bloody "comfort indicators" (quick tap, three flashes) drove me round the twist until I figured out how to turn 'em off in the setup menu... *Setup menu*, ffs. The lock/unlock delay headlights went STRAIGHT off, too, together with setting the locking to unlock all doors at once. If I wanted just the driver's door to unlock, why would I need "intelligent" central locking to do it? Hmm? A 2cv can do _that_ trick... Oh, and I presume setting the winter tyre warning binglyometer to 75mph was somebody at the hire company's idea of a safety measure. Or a joke. Bastards. As for economy... Just under 34mpg average? FFS! OK, that was down my 12mile backlane commute, where the Saab's getting about 22mpg - but... > I've also not stalled a car so much - EVER. > Not even when I was learning. You need to try a MkIII Mondeo TDCI, then. If you even dared to twich your little toe whilst you had your foot on the clutch, it would stall. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # SteveH (steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> I've also not stalled a car so much - EVER. Not even when I was >> learning. > You need to try a MkIII Mondeo TDCI, then. No, I don't. I really don't. Trust me on this. I'll take your word for it. <thinks> Is the current (new) Mundaneo the Mk2 or Mk3? IOW, does the facelift of the original one count as a Mk? Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate Adrian,<toomany2cvs@gmail.com> managed to produce the following words of wisdom > SteveH (steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)) gurgled happily, sounding > much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No, I don't. I really don't. Trust me on this. I'll take your word > for it. Clutch is a bit sharp on the TDCi Mondeo, but I've never stalled one. > <thinks> > Is the current (new) Mundaneo the Mk2 or Mk3? IOW, does the facelift > of the original one count as a Mk? Current one is a Mk4. But it's only been out for a few months. SignaturePete M - OMF#9 "Save your breath for cooling your porridge! W&P Range Rover V8 Turbo Scorpio Ultima 24v Tatra 805 > Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate > Adrian,<toomany2cvs@gmail.com> managed to produce the following words [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Clutch is a bit sharp on the TDCi Mondeo, but I've never stalled one. 'Sharp' - it's a f.cking binary switch. As is the throttle. > > <thinks> > > Is the current (new) Mundaneo the Mk2 or Mk3? IOW, does the facelift > > of the original one count as a Mk? > > Current one is a Mk4. But it's only been out for a few months. I really want to try one of those. But that ghastly multi-function chav-wagon steering wheel puts me right off it. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate SteveH,<steve@italiancar.co.uk> managed to produce the following words of wisdom >> Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate >> Adrian,<toomany2cvs@gmail.com> managed to produce the following words [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I really want to try one of those. But that ghastly multi-function > chav-wagon steering wheel puts me right off it. You'll find that on most modern stuff though. Mercedes multi-function wheels are brilliant, the one in the new Mini is crap. SignaturePete M - OMF#9 "Save your breath for cooling your porridge! W&P Range Rover V8 Turbo Scorpio Ultima 24v Tatra 805 > > I really want to try one of those. But that ghastly multi-function > > chav-wagon steering wheel puts me right off it. > > You'll find that on most modern stuff though. Mercedes multi-function wheels > are brilliant, the one in the new Mini is crap. Actually, it extends to the rest of the interior: Looks like it was designed by Tim 'Wigger' Westwood: http://www.km77.com/00/ford/mondeo/gra/36.jpg My eyes! They're on our list when we come to replace the cars in March - but I'm increasingly looking towards the V50 2.0D SE Sport - but I don't think it comes as an auto. In which case, it'll be a Jetta 2.0TDI-SE DSG. Unless Skoda get the new B6 based Superb out in time. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate SteveH,<steve@italiancar.co.uk> managed to produce the following words of wisdom >>> I really want to try one of those. But that ghastly multi-function >>> chav-wagon steering wheel puts me right off it. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > In which case, it'll be a Jetta 2.0TDI-SE DSG. Unless Skoda get the > new B6 based Superb out in time. The silver shiny sh.t is in everything now though isn't it? To me, that's just as bad as the B6 Passat interior for shinyness. That's got to be just on the Zetec, Shirley? SignaturePete M - OMF#9 "Save your breath for cooling your porridge! W&P Range Rover V8 Turbo Scorpio Ultima 24v Tatra 805 > > In which case, it'll be a Jetta 2.0TDI-SE DSG. Unless Skoda get the > > new B6 based Superb out in time. > > The silver shiny sh.t is in everything now though isn't it? To me, that's > just as bad as the B6 Passat interior for shinyness. Mine's black with added black bits and a bit of matt aluminium finish plastic around the gearstick and ash-tray. I was lucky enough to get the stereo with the black rather than matt silver buttons, too. > That's got to be just on the Zetec, Shirley? Dunno. Just looks nasty. I'll investigate further when I have time. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # > It wasn't quiet. At all. I thought all you dervaholics claimed you > couldn't really tell a modern diesel by the sound apart from cold start? I've never claimed that, because frankly, the VAG TDI in all it's variations is noisy, and most others (Ford, GM, PSA etc) seem fairly noisy too- with the exception of BMW & Honda IMO. It's more insulated in an Audi, but still there. I don't think the noise is unpleasant, but it's certainly quite vocal. A variation of clatter/knock, boost rush, and whistle. Chris Bartram (Chris Bartram <news@delete-me.piglet-net.net>) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > I don't think the noise is unpleasant, but it's certainly quite vocal. To the stage of having to turn the radio up. > A variation of clatter/knock, boost rush, and whistle. Just "diesel". No turbo sound - I was _missing_ the whistle from the Saab. > Chris Bartram (Chris Bartram <news@delete-me.piglet-net.net>) gurgled > happily, sounding much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Just "diesel". No turbo sound - I was _missing_ the whistle from the Saab. Never driven the 105, but my 130 in the fabia is similar- maybe the extra oomph makes the difference, or maybe you had a bad 105. Even the old, ratary-pumped Ibiza TDI i had produced a fair amount of go, with some turbo noise. The 130 in a Fabia is quite clattery diesel noise, but there's also a lot of induction whoosh and an audible turbo whistle if booted, accompanied by a really rather respectable shove forwards. I wonder how much heavier a Golf IV is than a Fabia, because the Fabia is surprisingly heavy. >> Chris Bartram (Chris Bartram <news@delete-me.piglet-net.net>) gurgled >> happily, sounding much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ratary-pumped Ibiza TDI i had produced a fair amount of go, with some > turbo noise. The PD105 does feel quite flat and doesn't encourage spirited driving. It's a huge step down from the PD140 and feels like you are always in a gear higher than you actually are. If you just want transport it's fine , but it's not that enjoyable SignatureAlex New laptop - Sig missing >>> Chris Bartram (Chris Bartram <news@delete-me.piglet-net.net>) gurgled >>> happily, sounding much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > The PD105 does feel quite flat and doesn't encourage spirited driving. By design as much as poke. The "throttle" response has been dulled down quite deliberately. It's a marketing ploy... > It's a huge step down from the PD140 and feels like you are always in a > gear higher than you actually are. > > If you just want transport it's fine , but it's not that enjoyable Ding! :) SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > > It wasn't quiet. At all. I thought all you dervaholics claimed you > > couldn't really tell a modern diesel by the sound apart from cold start? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > it's certainly quite vocal. A variation of clatter/knock, boost rush, > and whistle. Was talking to a guy in the bar last week - he'd just chopped an Accord CTDI thingie in for a Passat TDI-170 Sport DSG. He preferred driving the Passat, but did say that the Honda diesel was great, when it worked. It apparently revved like a petrol, felt almost like a petrol, but had several major mechanical failures during his ownership. As he said - good car, if the company are picking up the tab - but he wouldn't buy one with his own money. I did tell him about the failures we've had with the Passats, but I'm putting it down to new-model teething issues, as ours were one of the first batches brought into the UK. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # > Adrian (Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com>) gurgled happily, sounding much > like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > of them by 5% gradients, ffs?) illuminated a pile of dangly wires behind > the throttle pedal. Unfortunately, that's modern VWs for you. > It wasn't quiet. At all. I thought all you dervaholics claimed you > couldn't really tell a modern diesel by the sound apart from cold start? We do, you should try a modern one. VAG's TDI is old hat. A few years back when Fiat / Mercedes were introducing common rail material, VAG stiffly said, "woe ist common rail," and continued to use their PD technology. PD is many things, efficient and rattly being the two main ones. I'll write more about the economy bit later. :) > FFS, are you completely DEAF? I've also not stalled a car so much - EVER. > Not even when I was learning. The engine management needs a good slap. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > drove (a DW8 Xsara), I got it from rest to 5th without touching the > throttle at all. Unfortunately, emission control software now stalls the engine rather than tries to keep it going. There is a technique to it. When I bought the Honda I frequently stalled it because the donk was very quiet, unresponsive and gutless under 2,000 rpm. I did get used to it. > It wasn't particularly comfortable. The seat was just... strange... You do get used to it but it takes a while. Odd that it may seem, but when I first got my hands on the 9-3, I found the seat less than ideal. I'm used to it now, but it took about six weeks. > The > steering wheel felt nice at first - big thick leather rim - then you > start to realise the rim was TOO thick, and the diameter too small. The > ride was a bit jiggly in places yet slightly too smooth in others. Odd. Having driven the mark five Golf and the current (mark two?) Audi A3, this is one of the areas where Audi can claim a premium product. The A3 is either supple or firm, never both, where the Golf can be both. If you see what I mean. The Golf is reputed to work very well on a smooth motorway. Unfortunately the last time I drove one I didn't have the three hours to find a smooth stretch to try it out. :) > Ergonomics? Well... Christ alone knows why you'd want (presumably) a > sunglasses locker in the overhead console. And who put the alarm [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It was too damn clever for it's own good. The autolights couldn't really > make their minds up. A bloody annoying feature when it doesn't quite work properly. Was it associated with the wipers, though? > The autowipers were OK, but occasionally wiped a dry > screen, yet left a damp one. Ditto. When the wipers are on the headlights should follow. > The bloody "comfort indicators" (quick tap, > three flashes) Comfort indicators? No, that's Anti-One-Flash-Means-I'm-Doing-A-Three-Lane-Swerve-For-My-Exit company car driver feature. Designed for the Passat, when everybody and their dog has one, hunkers up the outside lane at 90, then decides to exit here *swerve* with one flash to warn everybody. > drove me round the twist until I figured out how to turn > 'em off in the setup menu... *Setup menu*, ffs. The lock/unlock delay [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > was somebody at the hire company's idea of a safety measure. Or a joke. > Bastards. LOL! (Always sets the speed warning in every 9-5 I ever borrow to 30 mph just to annoy the next man!) > As for economy... Just under 34mpg average? FFS! OK, that was down my > 12mile backlane commute, where the Saab's getting about 22mpg - but... That isn't bad. I imagine that the Saab will cover the distance a little quicker, but given time, the difference (providing there's some measure of prudence) won't be excessive. The difference to your wallet is close enough to 50%. To put it into context, the Saab has a vague nod towards emissions control compared to the Golf, which is swamped in emissions control crud. The Golf is almost certainly a good chunk heavier, too. It may have a lower Cd but a larger frontal area nevertheless, being quite a bit wider. These diesel type things are almost as thirsty when driven hard as their petrol counterparts, but most are materially more economical at a cruise. That's just because a 25% improvement is a bigger mpg number when comparing 20 to 35. Or something. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > > As for economy... Just under 34mpg average? FFS! OK, that was down my > > 12mile backlane commute, where the Saab's getting about 22mpg - but... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > prudence) won't be excessive. The difference to your wallet is close enough > to 50%. I'm sure this is a 'new to modern-ish TDIs' thing. My fuel economy was shocking when I first got mine, but now I'm fully 'in to' the way you drive one, I'm getting around 48mpg on average. It also appears to be getting better with age and mileage. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # > My fuel economy was shocking when I first got mine, but now I'm fully > 'in to' the way you drive one, I'm getting around 48mpg on average. It > also appears to be getting better with age and mileage. Yours or its? > > My fuel economy was shocking when I first got mine, but now I'm fully > > 'in to' the way you drive one, I'm getting around 48mpg on average. It > > also appears to be getting better with age and mileage. > > Yours or its? Heh. Has to be said, I cover so many miles, I don't drive like a c.nt anymore. However, even if I do have a mad hour, it doesn't drop under 40mpg, which it would average when I first got it. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # SteveH (steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> > My fuel economy was shocking when I first got mine, but now I'm fully >> > 'in to' the way you drive one, I'm getting around 48mpg on average. >> > It also appears to be getting better with age and mileage. >> Yours or its? > Heh. > > Has to be said, I cover so many miles, I don't drive like a c.nt > anymore. With 105ps in a ton and a half of Golf, you _can't_ drive like a c.nt - just try to keep momentum up. I didn't _want_ to drive it like a c.nt, either. It was bromide on wheels. SteveH (steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > I'm sure this is a 'new to modern-ish TDIs' thing. Possibly. But with nowt under 1500-2000, everything falling off above 4500, and "only" 5 gears, there wasn't exactly a choice between revving it or torque-surfing. Mebbe it just wasn't quite run in at 6500 miles...? > SteveH (steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)) gurgled happily, sounding much > like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Mebbe it just wasn't quite run in at 6500 miles...? That sounds most likely. I've only had that engine in courtesy cars, and have tended to stay pretty local when I have, so haven't really tested it properly - suffice to say, it's nowhere near as good as the 2.0 16v TDI-PD. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # > SteveH (steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)) gurgled happily, sounding much > like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Mebbe it just wasn't quite run in at 6500 miles...? Yes - come back in another 40,000 or so... SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > We do, you should try a modern one. VAG's TDI is old hat. A few years back > when Fiat / Mercedes were introducing common rail material, VAG stiffly > said, "woe ist common rail," and continued to use their PD technology. Wasn't it to avoid licencing CR tech from whoever has the patent? > Unfortunately, emission control software now stalls the engine rather than > tries to keep it going. There is a technique to it. When I bought the > Honda I frequently stalled it because the donk was very quiet, unresponsive > and gutless under 2,000 rpm. I did get used to it. Is that a EuroIV thing? My Fabia is a Euro III, and anti-stall will keep it running. If you do stall it (quite an achievment), it goes very suddenly though, with a bang. I have driven the Euro IV PD 1.9 (in another Fabia), and the only difference I noticed was a slight stutter when passing from overrun back to power if you were gentle with it. >> It was too damn clever for it's own good. The autolights couldn't really >> make their minds up. I've never understood why there's a perceived need for automatic lights. >> As for economy... Just under 34mpg average? FFS! OK, that was down my >> 12mile backlane commute, where the Saab's getting about 22mpg - but... > > That isn't bad. Really? I could only get that from the Fabia in very heavy traffic or driving it like a hire car. Maybe it's not run in. > >> It was too damn clever for it's own good. The autolights couldn't really > >> make their minds up. > > I've never understood why there's a perceived need for automatic lights. I've seen several fuckwits driving around this week, in the dark, with no lights. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >>>> It was too damn clever for it's own good. The autolights couldn't really >>>> make their minds up. >> I've never understood why there's a perceived need for automatic lights. > > I've seen several fuckwits driving around this week, in the dark, with > no lights. Point taken. I'll correct that: I have no need for automatic lights ;-) >> We do, you should try a modern one. VAG's TDI is old hat. A few years >> back when Fiat / Mercedes were introducing common rail material, VAG >> stiffly said, "woe ist common rail," and continued to use their PD >> technology. >> > Wasn't it to avoid licencing CR tech from whoever has the patent? Quite probably. It was the arrogant way they announced that PD was the equivalent to CR so it didn't matter. In the trade, PD is good, but unfortunately for VAG, CR is "better" for many applications. Most people are more interested in CO2 figures and performance than the nitty gritty of real world mpg, if they're going from a 2.0 petrol to a 2.0 diesel, from 30 to ~40 mpg, they're happy. They're just not happy about the noise. Personally, slapping with a two day old tunafish in the face should be for these people. Tsssh! Not liking the diesel noise! ;-) >> Unfortunately, emission control software now stalls the engine rather >> than tries to keep it going. There is a technique to it. When I bought >> the Honda I frequently stalled it because the donk was very quiet, >> unresponsive and gutless under 2,000 rpm. I did get used to it. >> > Is that a EuroIV thing? At the risk of saying, "no, Euro III.5" then yes. :) The Euro III Ford TDCi products have it. > My Fabia is a Euro III, and anti-stall will keep it running. If you do > stall it (quite an achievment), it goes very suddenly though, with a bang. > I have driven the Euro IV PD 1.9 (in another Fabia), and the only > difference I noticed was a slight stutter when passing from overrun back > to power if you were gentle with it. I think I did stall the Saab once, through trying to drive off in third *cough mutter getting old*. I seem to recall it's Euro II. ;) >>> It was too damn clever for it's own good. The autolights couldn't really >>> make their minds up. > > I've never understood why there's a perceived need for automatic lights. Too many idiots don't understand lights. We see moppets with no lights and it's dark. Or all lights (fogs, headlights) during the day. Or some lights (side lights, fog lights) during the day. Saab and Volvo drivers with their running lights disabled at night. Chumps at four o'clock with side lights on. Also - in some European countries, it's the law to have your headlights on when it's wet. "It's wet" is effectively "when the wipers are used" so to help motorists, the automatic lights come on when the automatic wipers come on. >>> As for economy... Just under 34mpg average? FFS! OK, that was down my >>> 12mile backlane commute, where the Saab's getting about 22mpg - but... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Really? I could only get that from the Fabia in very heavy traffic or > driving it like a hire car. Maybe it's not run in. Hmm. Could be the Fabia. I don't get my 9-3 anywhere close to this apart from trundling through York's city traffic with a cold engine. The TDI130 was never as economical as the lower powered 1.9 models and the Fabia is more a warm hatch with better economy than a petrol, rather than a diesel economy hatch - no disrespect intended, hopefully you know what I mean! :) SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com DervMan ("DervMan" <thedervman@gmail.com>) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Saab and Volvo drivers with their running lights disabled at night. <cough> And for those of us Saab drivers without running lights installed...? > DervMan ("DervMan" <thedervman@gmail.com>) gurgled happily, sounding much > like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > <cough> And for those of us Saab drivers without running lights > installed...? Mine too (and every 9-3 sold in the UK as standard), but in the interests of being fair... SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >>> We do, you should try a modern one. VAG's TDI is old hat. A few years >>> back when Fiat / Mercedes were introducing common rail material, VAG [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Personally, slapping with a two day old tunafish in the face should be for > these people. Tsssh! Not liking the diesel noise! ;-) :-) > I think I did stall the Saab once, through trying to drive off in third > *cough mutter getting old*. I seem to recall it's Euro II. ;) That has been the only way I've stalled any of my TDIs. > Too many idiots don't understand lights. > > We see moppets with no lights and it's dark. Or all lights (fogs, > headlights) during the day. Or some lights (side lights, fog lights) during > the day. Saab and Volvo drivers with their running lights disabled at > night. Chumps at four o'clock with side lights on. You do have a point. >> Really? I could only get that from the Fabia in very heavy traffic or >> driving it like a hire car. Maybe it's not run in. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > more a warm hatch with better economy than a petrol, rather than a diesel > economy hatch - no disrespect intended, hopefully you know what I mean! :) I think you misunderstand (though reading it again I may not have been clear). The Fabia does better than the figure quoted by some margin- ~42mpg in traffic (M5-M6 rush hour, for example) and/or driven hard. 45-48 average, 60 mph if treated very gently. The worst I've ever seen was 28mpg average, on a 26 mile commute, crawling and/or stopped for the whole distance in snow. Compared to other VAG TDI cars I've owned or driven (Polo 1.4, Ibiza 1.9 90, A3 1.9 110), it's less economical, especially driven hard or stuck in traffic, but can be very economical if you drive carefully. The A3 seemed to be the most efficient, despite it's old-tech VE injection, and being fairly heavy. >>>> We do, you should try a modern one. VAG's TDI is old hat. A few years >>>> back when Fiat / Mercedes were introducing common rail material, VAG [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > I think you misunderstand (though reading it again I may not have been > clear). Nah it was me being thick! :) > The Fabia does better than the figure quoted by some margin- ~42mpg in > traffic (M5-M6 rush hour, for example) and/or driven hard. 45-48 average, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The A3 seemed to be the most efficient, despite it's old-tech VE > injection, and being fairly heavy. I'll wager that it's the donk: the 1.9 TDI 110 is the last pre-PD engines and it's notable for being very economical. I seem to recall - but may well be off the pace - that the intercooler is the key difference. Certainly, I always wanted the 110 version over the 90 and not for performance reasons. :) SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >>Quite probably. It was the arrogant way they announced that PD was the >>equivalent to CR so it didn't matter. In the trade, PD is good, but >>unfortunately for VAG, CR is "better" for many applications. And petrol is even better >>Most people are more interested in CO2 figures and performance than the >>nitty gritty of real world mpg, if they're going from a 2.0 petrol to a >>2.0 diesel, from 30 to ~40 mpg, they're happy. I'm sticking with LPG >>They're just not happy about the noise. I had a tractor taxi idling outside our house for 15 minutes last night - what a horrible noise! >>Personally, slapping with a two day old tunafish in the face should be for >>these people. Tsssh! Not liking the diesel noise! ;-) A Diesel needs at least 40 litres before it sounds good, made in the UK, and preferably built in the 1960s. For best sound have CSV as part of its model number (charge cooled, turboed, V engine) another letter was added for usage. eg a V16 loco engine would be 16CSVT >>>Quite probably. It was the arrogant way they announced that PD was the >>>equivalent to CR so it didn't matter. In the trade, PD is good, but >>>unfortunately for VAG, CR is "better" for many applications. > > And petrol is even better Yeuch. Needs sparkplugs to ignite. Smells foul. Evaporates all too quickly. >>>Most people are more interested in CO2 figures and performance than the >>>nitty gritty of real world mpg, if they're going from a 2.0 petrol to a >>>2.0 diesel, from 30 to ~40 mpg, they're happy. > > I'm sticking with LPG I don't trust the Government. >>>They're just not happy about the noise. > > I had a tractor taxi idling outside our house for 15 minutes last night - > what a horrible noise! Have you heard "banal generic modern petrol" hum? Y...aaaaawwww...nnnnn. >>>Personally, slapping with a two day old tunafish in the face should be >>>for these people. Tsssh! Not liking the diesel noise! ;-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > model number (charge cooled, turboed, V engine) another letter was added > for usage. eg a V16 loco engine would be 16CSVT It's a good job we all have our personal preferences too. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >>> I'm sticking with LPG >>I don't trust the Government. Heating gas is identical >>> I had a tractor taxi idling outside our house for 15 minutes last >>> night - what a horrible noise! >>Have you heard "banal generic modern petrol" hum? >>Y...aaaaawwww...nnnnn. You mean that lovely V6 burble as it goes over 4000rpm >>> A Diesel needs at least 40 litres before it sounds good, made in the UK, >>> and preferably built in the 1960s. For best sound have CSV as part of >>> its model number (charge cooled, turboed, V engine) another letter was >>> added for usage. eg a V16 loco engine would be 16CSVT >>It's a good job we all have our personal preferences too. Most car diesels sound horrible >>>> I'm sticking with LPG > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You mean that lovely V6 burble as it goes over 4000rpm I'm pretty deaf by 4,000rpm to be honest... SignatureDan Clio V6 >> We do, you should try a modern one. VAG's TDI is old hat. A few years >> back when Fiat / Mercedes were introducing common rail material, VAG [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Fabia), and the only difference I noticed was a slight stutter when > passing from overrun back to power if you were gentle with it. Does anti-stall exist on cars these days? Because I'm **SURE** my 206 had it. Pulling out of a local steep junction just near my house, I could be as hamfisted as I liked when it was cold. The revs dropped to about to stall then picked to 1,000rpm and resolutely stayed there. It was dead handy when tired/hungover etc heh. SignatureDan Clio V6 >>> We do, you should try a modern one. VAG's TDI is old hat. A few years >>> back when Fiat / Mercedes were introducing common rail material, VAG [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Does anti-stall exist on cars these days? Unfortunately emissions control has a higher priority. > Because I'm **SURE** my 206 had it. Pulling out of a local steep junction > just near my house, I could be as hamfisted as I liked when it was cold. > The revs dropped to about to stall then picked to 1,000rpm and resolutely > stayed there. It was dead handy when tired/hungover etc heh. My Cinquecento was the same. But some lentil-eating, tree-hugging, anti-car cretin insisted that this sort of anti-stall technique killed puppies / children / whatever, so ECUs have been (for the most part) changed to prevent it from happening. Now if the donk is looking like it'll stall, they cut the fuel and end any sort of "discussion" under the bonnet. Shame, too... SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >>>> We do, you should try a modern one. VAG's TDI is old hat. A few years >>>> back when Fiat / Mercedes were introducing common rail material, VAG [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Shame, too... Hmmm.... I remain convinced it was present on the 206.... SignatureDan Clio V6 #57 >>>>> We do, you should try a modern one. VAG's TDI is old hat. A few >>>>> years back when Fiat / Mercedes were introducing common rail material, [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> > Hmmm.... I remain convinced it was present on the 206.... I'm sure it was; thankfully the lentil-eating, tree-hugging, anti-car cretins have been unable to amend legislation with a retrospective tilt! SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > Comfort indicators? No, that's > Anti-One-Flash-Means-I'm-Doing-A-Three-Lane-Swerve-For-My-Exit company car > driver feature. Designed for the Passat, when everybody and their dog has > one, hunkers up the outside lane at 90, then decides to exit here *swerve* > with one flash to warn everybody. I do that, it makes the journey more exciting. I like to try time it so I get as much of the hatchings as possible, and as close the grass bank as I can too. SignatureDan Clio V6 >> Comfort indicators? No, that's >> Anti-One-Flash-Means-I'm-Doing-A-Three-Lane-Swerve-For-My-Exit company [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > get as much of the hatchings as possible, and as close the grass bank as I > can too. For proper excitement you need to do it to a couple of trucks, one overtaking the other. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >>> Comfort indicators? No, that's >>> Anti-One-Flash-Means-I'm-Doing-A-Three-Lane-Swerve-For-My-Exit company [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > For proper excitement you need to do it to a couple of trucks, one > overtaking the other. I assumed that went without saying. SignatureDan Clio V6 #57 >>>> Comfort indicators? No, that's >>>> Anti-One-Flash-Means-I'm-Doing-A-Three-Lane-Swerve-For-My-Exit company [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I assumed that went without saying. Can't assume that with me, I'm old! :p SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > The bloody "comfort indicators" (quick tap, > three flashes) drove me round the twist until I figured out how to turn > 'em off in the setup menu... *Setup menu*, ffs. Consider yourself lucky. The BMW 1 I drove had this, with no known way to turn the f.cking things off, and to do it on a 9N Polo or a lateish Fabia you need a set of mystical coding instructions and VAG-COM. I'd got used to them, but SWMBO drove my car some distance for the first time last month, and hated then too, so off they went, along with the f.cking stupid wipers that, when you use the wash function, wipe X times, then pause for 5 seconds, the wipe the screen that is by now dry at mototrway speeds, smearing the screen nicely. Thank f.ck it can be turned off. >> The bloody "comfort indicators" (quick tap, three flashes) drove me round >> the twist until I figured out how to turn 'em off in the setup menu... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > 5 seconds, the wipe the screen that is by now dry at mototrway speeds, > smearing the screen nicely. Thank f.ck it can be turned off. It *should* only wipe after the annoying delay if the speed was under 30... SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >>> The bloody "comfort indicators" (quick tap, three flashes) drove me round >>> the twist until I figured out how to turn 'em off in the setup menu... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > It *should* only wipe after the annoying delay if the speed was under 30... No, it did it all the time, and other Fabia owners have said the same. TBH the cost of VAG-COM was proved worthwhile by this... >>>> The bloody "comfort indicators" (quick tap, three flashes) drove me >>>> round the twist until I figured out how to turn 'em off in the setup [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > No, it did it all the time, and other Fabia owners have said the same. TBH > the cost of VAG-COM was proved worthwhile by this... D'oh another example of my not reading it properly. The Polo has a 50 km/h / wipe delay function. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com |
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