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An advantage of seeing old episodes of Top Gear on Dave is catching quiet references which originally went over your head. They have just shown an episode from 2005 where Hammond & May played "five-a-side football" using Toyota Aygos, driven by racing drivers. One member of Richard's team was oh-so-casually given as Ben Collins - we saw the Stig without his helmet! Tennant Stuart  Signature____ ____ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ ____ (_ _)( ___)( \( )( \( ) /__\ ( \( )(_ _) Greetings to family )( )__) ) ( ) ( /(__)\ ) ( )( friends & neighbours (__) (____)(_)\_)(_)\_)(__)(__)(_)\_) (__) @orpheus.co.uk & MCR In a 2004 episode, we were shown the new Peugeot 1007 with sliding doors that do *not* sound like the ones in Star Trek. They made a big deal of the James Bond producers not letting it be one-double-oh-seven so everyone has to say one-thousand-and-seven. What gets me is you wouldn't say that anyway - the 308 is three-oh-eight, so 1007 would be ten-oh-seven, yes? Tennant Stuart Signature____ ____ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ ____ (_ _)( ___)( \( )( \( ) /__\ ( \( )(_ _) Greetings to family )( )__) ) ( ) ( /(__)\ ) ( )( friends & neighbours (__) (____)(_)\_)(_)\_)(__)(__)(_)\_) (__) @orpheus.co.uk & MCR > An advantage of seeing old episodes of Top Gear on Dave is catching quiet > references which originally went over your head. Yes, and I would have loved to have re-examined all the quiet references being made as Clarkson sampled that hole in the ice on the Polar special but I couldn't because it was cut to make room for the adverts. In fact, I think I must have imagined it so much did it go over my head first time round. Perhaps, Dave should show all the repeats of Thunderbirds because if they then cut out all the smoking scenes we would at least have the satisfaction of knowing it wasn't for reasons of censorship. Ministering Angel Online Casino is offering $5 completly free to first 100 players that register. All you need to do is to create an account, and your account will be credited $5 instantly. Jackpots are won every 3-4 days. US Players Welcome !!!!!!!! Have a nice spin :) www.ministeringangel.com > An advantage of seeing old episodes of Top Gear on Dave is catching quiet > references which originally went over your head. They have just shown an [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Tennant Stuart Oh, so that news report I saw on whatever it was a year or so ago which talked of "Perry 'The Stig' McCarthy" was a load of tush then? Don't seem to be able to remember the source. Where'd you get your information from? > -- > ____ ____ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ ____ > (_ _)( ___)( \( )( \( ) /__\ ( \( )(_ _) Greetings to family > )( )__) ) ( ) ( /(__)\ ) ( )( friends & neighbours > (__) (____)(_)\_)(_)\_)(__)(__)(_)\_) (__) @orpheus.co.uk & MCR In message <2065e3b4-4dce-4e53-9598-e672037c9dcc@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, FCS <sipston_777@my-deja.com> writes >> An advantage of seeing old episodes of Top Gear on Dave is catching quiet >> references which originally went over your head. They have just shown an [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Don't seem to be able to remember the source. Where'd you get your >information from? Who says there was only one Stig? The beauty of using a driver with a concealed identity is that you can use several drivers to perform that role. SignaturePaul Giverin British Jet Engine Website:- www.britjet.co.uk My photos:- www.pbase.com/vendee > In message > <2065e3b4-4dce-4e53-9598-e672037c9...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, FCS [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > concealed identity is that you can use several drivers to perform that > role. Well, you apparently, with use of the word "the", which mirrors the show's usage, in the context of revealing his identity to the unknowing. And also whoever compiled the report I saw mentioning the other chap, as it was definitely written Perry 'The Stig' Mccarthy. And the show, who talk about "The Stig", and the insurers, who surely couldn't have an objection to insuring one of the wide line- up of un-named extras you now throw at me as somehow "obvious". And all the people who've speculated on where he learned to drive... Would you like me to go on a bit more? I agree it's a nice format to deliver back issues in though, and often raises questions which didn't occur at the time, like why didn't they also do the ski-jump thing with a Love-Bug era VW Beetle? > -- > Paul Giverin > > British Jet Engine Website:- www.britjet.co.uk > > My photos:- www.pbase.com/vendee G DAEB COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON -- FCS (FCS <sipston_777@my-deja.com>) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Would you like me to go on a bit more? Please. It's really funny to see somebody unable to separate the concepts of "character" and "actor". D'you have the same problem with Dr. Who? > G DAEB > COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON You really are a fuckwit. D'you know that? You should. > FCS (FCS <sipston_...@my-deja.com>) gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You really are a fuckwit. D'you know that? You should. No, and nor do I have any problem with concepts of fact versus opinion or, indeed, of considered observation versus taunt. You appear to have a problem of some sort though, like acting as though you've taken a point up on some occasion before when the only Adrian I can rememeber on USENET was boasting about not only knowing what a killfile was but also how to use one. Go crash your phallus bbuddy. G DAEB COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON -- FCS (FCS <sipston_777@my-deja.com>) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> You really are a fuckwit. D'you know that? You should. > No, and nor do I have any problem with concepts of fact versus opinion Good. It's an undeniable fact that you're a fuckwit. > or, indeed, of considered observation versus taunt. Good. It's a factual statement arising from considered observation. > You appear to have a problem of some sort though, like acting as though > you've taken a point up on some occasion before when the only Adrian I > can rememeber on USENET was boasting about not only knowing what a > killfile was but also how to use one. I know very well what a killfile is. But you're too funny to be in it. > G DAEB > COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON <points, laughs> >> In message >> <2065e3b4-4dce-4e53-9598-e672037c9...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, FCS [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >Would you like me to go on a bit more? Only if you get a clue first? Why on earth would they have to conceal the driver's identity from their insurers? The original "Stig" was Perry Mccarthy - his autobiography says as much. Since then they have used various drivers - sometimes drivers loaned with the car, in the case of F1 cars, but it is considered an open secret that it has been Ben Collins more often than not. Oh, and I hate to break this one to you, but there is no Santa Claus. SignatureIan D > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 04:28:37 -0800 (PST), FCS > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Only if you get a clue first? Yes, I certainly shall make sure I check the distribution headers for uk.rec.cars.eidetic.toptrumps.geek.with.no.life before I follow-up post to uk.media.tv.misc again. > Why on earth would they have to conceal the driver's identity from > their insurers? If any Stig to date is substituable then you have a lot of uninsurable drivers on the Top Gear books. And the episode I was thinking of, not having them alphabetically indexed in date order nor even having seen them all, involved comment on the fact it was on the stig who was uninsurable and the stig is the, erm, control variable. Otherwise there's no point in stimulating any speculation on where he learnt to drive. I certainly don't have a problem distinguishing between science, pseudo-science and fiction. > The original "Stig" was Perry Mccarthy - his autobiography says as > much. Since then they have used various drivers - sometimes drivers > loaned with the car, in the case of F1 cars, but it is considered an > open secret that it has been Ben Collins more often than not. > > Oh, and I hate to break this one to you, but there is no Santa Claus. Really. Why thankyou. I never would have known. Would you think it might be because there isn't one that I don't have a copy of Perry McCarthy's autobiography? Or the Top Gear Bumper book for the manually ossified for that matter? coo. You'll never beat me in an mpg comp. I guarantee it. > -- > > Ian D- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - G DAEB COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON -- > The original "Stig" was Perry Mccarthy - his autobiography says as > much. Since then they have used various drivers - sometimes drivers > loaned with the car, in the case of F1 cars, but it is considered an > open secret that it has been Ben Collins more often than not. Yes, but mainly Ben Collins was named as the High Performance Consultant to the show, in the official HSE report into Hammond's near-fatal crash. Tennant Signature____ ____ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ ____ (_ _)( ___)( \( )( \( ) /__\ ( \( )(_ _) Greetings to family )( )__) ) ( ) ( /(__)\ ) ( )( friends & neighbours (__) (____)(_)\_)(_)\_)(__)(__)(_)\_) (__) @orpheus.co.uk & MCR > Ben Collins was named as the High Performance Consultant to the show, > in the official HSE report into Hammond's near-fatal crash. I've now obtained a copy of the HSE report from this government site... http://www.hse.gov.uk/foi/releases/richardhammond.pdf ..which gives some interesting insights into how the show is made, and severally mentions Ben Collins (often abbreviated to BC) as follows... > CIRCUMSTANCES - leading up to and including the crash = see page 5 > Visit by Ben Collins (BC) to PTLE > 37. The preliminary arrangements for the event had been made at arm's > length, with the result that, as the date of the Elvington shoot [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > be able to see through them if they were not genuine. (This was a > significant step because Top Gear had not used BC in this way before.) > 38. BC visited PTLE's premises near Northampton on Monday 18th June. > He seems to have been convinced of their bona fides. He telephoned PD > to confirm his conclusions and prepared a briefing paper that he > e-mailed to GW. This described Vampire's controls and tried to prepare > RH for the experience of driving the jet car. > INVESTIGATION (HSE / North Yorks Police) = see page 12 > 84. Issues relevant to the planning and preparation for the film shoot > and training given to RH to drive Vampire were pursued by HSE. Following > consideration of the information and evidence requested and received > (see above), interviews of the following witnesses took place - > iii. (On 12 December, in Bristol) RH - Presenter and BC - Driving > Consultant. > MANAGEMENT of HEALTH and SAFETY BBC = see page 13 > 97. PD was working on his first series and had responsibility for > generating the short film scenarios (usually 4 per show) around which [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > briefing note for RH and the Top Gear team in which he described > Vampire', how it should feel when driven and use of the afterburner'. > CONCLUSIONS and LESSONS for the BBC = see page 18 > 21. We have concluded that, with regard to the film shoot at Elvington > the BBC failed to: 1. Allow sufficient time for planning, preparation > and consultation. 2. Make full and appropriate use of in-house support > (ORM) and external technical resource (BC) RH is of course Richard Hammond, PD is series producer Pat Doyle, GW is assistant producer Grant Wardop, PTLE is the company who made the Vampire jet car, and ORM is the Occupational Risk Management office at the BBC. Tennant Signature____ ____ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ ____ (_ _)( ___)( \( )( \( ) /__\ ( \( )(_ _) Greetings to family )( )__) ) ( ) ( /(__)\ ) ( )( friends & neighbours (__) (____)(_)\_)(_)\_)(__)(__)(_)\_) (__) @orpheus.co.uk & MCR > In message > <2065e3b4-4dce-4e53-9598-e672037c9dcc@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, FCS [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >> > >> Tennant Stuart Ben Collins was also shown driving a rally car in one of the episodes. > >Oh, so that news report I saw on whatever it was a year or so ago > >which talked of "Perry 'The Stig' McCarthy" was a load of tush then? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > concealed identity is that you can use several drivers to perform that > role. Exactly. One reason they keep his identity a secret is quite possibly because being actual racing drivers the person\people they use may have other committments which prevent them from appearing in certain episodes. Similarly they may also have accidents or suffer injuries etc. By keeping him anonymous its possible to maintain the credibility of using "The Stig" as a benchmark. Even allowing for the variable track conditions which rather undermine that idea. If it was known they'd used different drivers then the idea of a benchmark - given that ex and current FI drivers all put up different times on the show - further goes out of the window. michael adams > On Jan 5, 6:03 pm, Tennant Stuart <tenn...@orpheus.co.uk> wrote: >> An advantage of seeing old episodes of Top Gear on Dave is catching >> quiet references which originally went over your head. They have just >> shown an episode from 2005 where Hammond & May played "five-a-side >> football" using Toyota Aygos, driven by racing drivers. One member of >> Richard's team was oh-so-casually given as Ben Collins - we saw the >> Stig without his helmet! > Ben Collins was also shown driving a rally car in one of the episodes. Was that the one where he lost to a skateboarder down a grassy hill? Tennant Signature____ ____ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ ____ (_ _)( ___)( \( )( \( ) /__\ ( \( )(_ _) Greetings to family )( )__) ) ( ) ( /(__)\ ) ( )( friends & neighbours (__) (____)(_)\_)(_)\_)(__)(__)(_)\_) (__) @orpheus.co.uk & MCR > In message > <2065e3b4-4dce-4e53-9598-e672037c9dcc@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, FCS [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > concealed identity is that you can use several drivers to perform that > role. They do just that. I believe it was Heike Kovaleinen driving the F1 car , someone else doing the snowmobile stunts , and various other stand-in stigs for the out of the ordinary stuff that doesn't take place on their track SignatureAlex New laptop - Sig missing > In message > <2065e3b4-4dce-4e53-9598-e672037c9...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, FCS [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > concealed identity is that you can use several drivers to perform that > role. Would you post me a list of who was stig when so I can pin it to my wall and tick off who coached each star in the reasonably priced car according the year on the programme credits please? > -- > Paul Giverin > > British Jet Engine Website:- www.britjet.co.uk > > My photos:- www.pbase.com/vendee G DAEB COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON -- In article 2065e3b4-4dce-4e53-9598-e672037c9dcc@e6g2000prf. >> An advantage of seeing old episodes of Top Gear on Dave is catching >> quiet references which originally went over your head. They have just >> shown an episode from 2005 where Hammond & May played "five-a-side >> football" using Toyota Aygos, driven by racing drivers. One member of >> Richard's team was oh-so-casually given as Ben Collins - we saw the >> Stig without his helmet! > Oh, so that news report I saw on whatever it was a year or so ago > which talked of "Perry 'The Stig' McCarthy" was a load of tush then? No, Perry McCarthy was the Black Stig, who was 'killed' jumping a car off an aircraft carrier at the start of Season 3. In the next episode, we were introduced to the White Stig, who replaced him. Tennant Signature____ ____ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ ____ (_ _)( ___)( \( )( \( ) /__\ ( \( )(_ _) Greetings to family )( )__) ) ( ) ( /(__)\ ) ( )( friends & neighbours (__) (____)(_)\_)(_)\_)(__)(__)(_)\_) (__) @orpheus.co.uk & MCR > An advantage of seeing old episodes of Top Gear on Dave is catching quiet > references which originally went over your head. They have just shown an > episode from 2005 where Hammond & May played "five-a-side football" using > Toyota Aygos, driven by racing drivers. One member of Richard's team was > oh-so-casually given as Ben Collins - we saw the Stig without his helmet! I have been meaning to say we had another oh-so-casual appearance in the episode where parachutist Tim landed in a car driven by his friend Ben. 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