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Princess (wedge) available?

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Michael Kilpatrick - 24 Feb 2008 10:49 GMT
I'm considering, if it's possible to find one, getting a Austin (or
Leyland, I think to be more accurate) Princess for my wife. A 2000HL or
2000HLS Princess 2, which I think means circa 1978-1981.

I've seen that there are one or two still about in good shape but they
must be pretty rare now. Anybody seen one? I had one (HCA 100T) when I
was a student in 1992, and loved it. Mind you, that was a long time ago now.

regards

Michael
Conor - 24 Feb 2008 12:01 GMT
> I'm considering, if it's possible to find one, getting a Austin (or
> Leyland, I think to be more accurate) Princess for my wife. A 2000HL or
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> must be pretty rare now. Anybody seen one? I had one (HCA 100T) when I
> was a student in 1992, and loved it. Mind you, that was a long time ago now.

Take those rose tinted glasses off and look at them for what they were.
I doubt she'd appreciate something that butt ugly.

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Michael Kilpatrick - 24 Feb 2008 12:10 GMT
>>I'm considering, if it's possible to find one, getting a Austin (or
>>Leyland, I think to be more accurate) Princess for my wife.
> Take those rose tinted glasses off and look at them for what they were.
> I doubt she'd appreciate something that butt ugly.

If she thought they were ugly she wouldn't be considering driving one!
Why assume I'd buy her a car she'd never seen at all?

Michael
Phaeton - 24 Feb 2008 12:18 GMT
>>> I'm considering, if it's possible to find one, getting a Austin (or
>>> Leyland, I think to be more accurate) Princess for my wife.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Michael

Nothing to do with me but

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1983-AUSTIN-AMBASSADOR-2-0HLS-AUTO-RED_W0QQitemZ2002006874
37QQihZ010QQcategoryZ29753QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Alan...
SteveH - 24 Feb 2008 12:54 GMT
> >>> I'm considering, if it's possible to find one, getting a Austin (or
> >>> Leyland, I think to be more accurate) Princess for my wife.
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> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1983-AUSTIN-AMBASSADOR-2-0HLS-AUTO-RED_W0QQitemZ2002
> 00687437QQihZ010QQcategoryZ29753QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Nice......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XszJ7fFFHr0

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Steve Firth - 24 Feb 2008 13:19 GMT
> > >>> I'm considering, if it's possible to find one, getting a Austin (or
> > >>> Leyland, I think to be more accurate) Princess for my wife.
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>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XszJ7fFFHr0

This one seemed to replay an incident I actually had, when driving a
Triumph Toledo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ufc8bnD8DE

Hmm I recognise that bloke, he was at the educational establishment
further North on Oxford Road.
Michael Kilpatrick - 24 Feb 2008 13:55 GMT
>>>Nothing to do with me but
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ufc8bnD8DE

Haven't watched that, but that reminds me that I spun my second Princess
on the Snake Pass. Ended up on the wrong side facing the other way but
did little but dent the front nearside wing around the wheel arch, luckily.

Michael
Dave Plowman (News) - 24 Feb 2008 17:25 GMT
> Haven't watched that, but that reminds me that I spun my second Princess
> on the Snake Pass. Ended up on the wrong side facing the other way but
> did little but dent the front nearside wing around the wheel arch,
> luckily.

I had an 1800 (Land Crab) for many years and it was probably one of the
safest handling cars I've ever owned - before stability control etc came
in. It simply went from slight to massive understeer depending on how you
drove it. Never once lost the back.

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Phaeton - 24 Feb 2008 12:21 GMT
>>> I'm considering, if it's possible to find one, getting a Austin (or
>>> Leyland, I think to be more accurate) Princess for my wife.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Michael

Or

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1983-AUSTIN-AMBASSADOR-1-7L-BEIGE-GENUINE-23K-MILES_W0QQit
emZ110227364408QQihZ001QQcategoryZ29753QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Alan...
Steve Firth - 24 Feb 2008 12:51 GMT
> >>> I'm considering, if it's possible to find one, getting a Austin (or
> >>> Leyland, I think to be more accurate) Princess for my wife.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Alan...

Sod that, when there's this:

<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1975-TRIUMPH-TOLEDO-STUNNING-4-900-GENUINE-MILES_
W0QQitemZ270214173800>
Michael Kilpatrick - 24 Feb 2008 13:28 GMT
> Sod that, when there's this:
>
> <http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1975-TRIUMPH-TOLEDO-STUNNING-4-900-GENUINE-MILES_
> W0QQitemZ270214173800>

Wow! Only 5000 miles?

Are they any fun to drive, those things?

Michael
Steve Firth - 24 Feb 2008 13:41 GMT
> > Sod that, when there's this:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Are they any fun to drive, those things?

Hmm, only in a sort of "my god glaciers move faster than this" sort of
way. Rear wheel drive with all the fun taken out. I'd like to own that
one, but it would be a sin to use it much and I'd have to do something
about the swallows that have decided to move into my barn/garage.

I had one for several years and loved it at the time. Sadly the engine
is fairly fragile.
Pete M - 24 Feb 2008 14:04 GMT
>>> Sod that, when there's this:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> I had one for several years and loved it at the time. Sadly the engine
> is fairly fragile.

which would be the perfect excuse to drop a Rover V8 into it.

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Ian - 24 Feb 2008 15:34 GMT
> I had one for several years and loved it at the time. Sadly the engine
> is fairly fragile.

Is it the large crank (GK) Herald engine?

Ian
Steve Firth - 24 Feb 2008 20:44 GMT
> > I had one for several years and loved it at the time. Sadly the engine
> > is fairly fragile.
>
> Is it the large crank (GK) Herald engine?

I think so but enlarged to 1300cc. Like the Herald engine it had a habit
of throwing a con. rod through the side of the engine.
Ian - 24 Feb 2008 23:43 GMT
> > > I had one for several years and loved it at the time. Sadly the engine
> > > is fairly fragile.
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> I think so but enlarged to 1300cc. Like the Herald engine it had a habit
> of throwing a con. rod through the side of the engine.

I haven't ever heard of that happening, and I've had a Herald 13/60 -
which is the 1296cc engine - for 20 years. Herald engines are noted
for dropping out thrust washers, to rather painfully expensive effect.
Right at the end of Herald production, just for the last year or so,
the 1296cc GE engine was replaced with the GK, which I think is the
Toledo one. Basically identical, but with larger diameter main
bearings, which caused no end of problems. Oddly enough, the Spitfire
1500 is notorious for precisely the same reason.

Ian
Steve Firth - 25 Feb 2008 00:50 GMT
> > > > I had one for several years and loved it at the time. Sadly the engine
> > > > is fairly fragile.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> bearings, which caused no end of problems. Oddly enough, the Spitfire
> 1500 is notorious for precisely the same reason.

AFAIR the problem is caused by lubrication failures. The big end siezes
and the con rod breaks. I've seen it on both Heralds and Toledos
although looking at Toledos in scrappies in the 1980s it seemed to be
mostly Toledos that suffered from the problem. The first time it
happened to me was when  friend took me down the M23 in his Herald. Big
bang, lots of steam and when we stopped on the hard shoulder I looked at
one side of the engine and said "it seems fine here" and he simply
stared at the 9in hole in the block on his side.
Conor - 24 Feb 2008 14:20 GMT
> > Sod that, when there's this:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Michael

No, they're shite. THey also look cut off at the back. Get a
Dolomite..virtually the same looking, RWD and the arse end is longer so
it all looks in proportion.
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Adrian - 24 Feb 2008 14:45 GMT
Conor (Conor <conor_turton@hotmail.com>) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

> No, they're shite. THey also look cut off at the back. Get a
> Dolomite..virtually the same looking, RWD and the arse end is longer so
> it all looks in proportion.

Odd, isn't it? The short tail was the original FWD 1300 style - the
longer tail (and nose) of the Dolly didn't come until the later FWD 1500.
Dave Plowman (News) - 24 Feb 2008 17:20 GMT
> > >>> I'm considering, if it's possible to find one, getting a Austin
> > >>> (or Leyland, I think to be more accurate) Princess for my wife.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> > >
> > Or

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1983-AUSTIN-AMBASSADOR-1-7L-BEIGE-GENUINE-23K-MILES_W0QQit
emZ110227364408QQihZ001QQcategoryZ29753QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


> Sod that, when there's this:

<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1975-TRIUMPH-TOLEDO-STUNNING-4-900-GENUINE-MILES_W0QQitemZ
270214173800
>

They're hardly in the same class. The Princess is vast inside and a good
motorway cruiser. The Toledo is small and, err, slow.

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Steve Firth - 24 Feb 2008 20:44 GMT
> They're hardly in the same class. The Princess is vast inside and a good
> motorway cruiser. The Toledo is small and, err, slow.

Indeed but the Princess was a shed and that Toledo appears to be mint.
Conor - 24 Feb 2008 14:18 GMT
> >>I'm considering, if it's possible to find one, getting a Austin (or
> >>Leyland, I think to be more accurate) Princess for my wife.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> If she thought they were ugly she wouldn't be considering driving one!
> Why assume I'd buy her a car she'd never seen at all?

It's not unknown.

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Michael Kilpatrick - 24 Feb 2008 15:16 GMT
>>>>I'm considering, if it's possible to find one, getting a Austin (or
>>>>Leyland, I think to be more accurate) Princess for my wife.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> It's not unknown.

Well, probably less harmful than someone buying an unwanted dog as a
Christmas present, or that sort of thing.

Michael
Willy Eckerslyke - 25 Feb 2008 10:23 GMT
> I'm considering, if it's possible to find one, getting a Austin (or
> Leyland, I think to be more accurate) Princess for my wife. A 2000HL or
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> was a student in 1992, and loved it. Mind you, that was a long time ago
> now.

If she'd prefer a slightly more squashed wedge, bloke at work wants to
sell a very nice TR7 that could almost be described as a "barn find":
http://s65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/Geobloke/TR7_27012008
Michael Kilpatrick - 25 Feb 2008 10:52 GMT
>> I'm considering, if it's possible to find one, getting a Austin (or
>> Leyland, I think to be more accurate) Princess for my wife. A 2000HL
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> sell a very nice TR7 that could almost be described as a "barn find":
> http://s65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/Geobloke/TR7_27012008

Thanks, but it would need to be a 4-seater.

That TR7 looks to be in pretty good shape!

regards

Michael
Willy Eckerslyke - 25 Feb 2008 12:15 GMT
>> If she'd prefer a slightly more squashed wedge, bloke at work wants to
>> sell a very nice TR7 that could almost be described as a "barn find":
>> http://s65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/Geobloke/TR7_27012008
>
> Thanks, but it would need to be a 4-seater.

Aye, it wasn't really a serious suggestion.

> That TR7 looks to be in pretty good shape!

I'm just hoping someone else buys it before it starts appealing to me
too much!
Richard Kilpatrick - 13 May 2008 00:38 GMT
> I'm considering, if it's possible to find one, getting a Austin (or
> Leyland, I think to be more accurate) Princess for my wife. A 2000HL or
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> was a student in 1992, and loved it. Mind you, that was a long time ago
> now.

If you get one, can I have a go in it sometime?

How's the SD1?

Remember David had an Ambassador... I recall that being quite good at
keeping my weight down. Food didn't stay in long in it.

Richard (no classics here, but something big and French on the way soon).
 
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