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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / Classic Cars (UK group) / November 2009

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Number Plates - which type?

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sweller - 23 Oct 2009 08:31 GMT
I have a 1965 Jaguar S type - what type of number plate would have been
fitted to it originally?

Would it have had pressed aluminium or would a higher end car of that era
more likely had riveted letters, silver or white on black?

I always associated pressed aluminium with cheap cars and commercial
vehicles.

Whilst I'm on the subject I always think black number plates look very
odd on cars of the late sixties and early 70s.

Most bikes and cars post '68 had yellow and white.  Certainly the ones I
had did (they weren't new when I got them!) - which makes the black look
out of place, more so on '70-'72

Contemporary film clips show the newer cars with reflective plates:

Villain (great film)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtscBjNxHGw

Sweeny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFeJAe4f9g0

Even if it doesn't answer the number plate question it shows the bad guys
had S types!

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Dave Plowman (News) - 23 Oct 2009 08:56 GMT
> I have a 1965 Jaguar S type - what type of number plate would have been
> fitted to it originally?

> Would it have had pressed aluminium or would a higher end car of that era
> more likely had riveted letters, silver or white on black?

> I always associated pressed aluminium with cheap cars and commercial
> vehicles.

When the pressed type first arrived, they were the expensive option. If
you think about it they require specialist equipment to make up unlike the
riveted on type. So to me they still look more classy.
Of course the equipment prices probably came down and labour rates went
up so it's possible the pressed type became cheaper eventually.

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Geoff Mackenzie - 23 Oct 2009 09:30 GMT
> I have a 1965 Jaguar S type - what type of number plate would have been
> fitted to it originally?
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Even if it doesn't answer the number plate question it shows the bad guys
> had S types!

The Mk 2 I had about that time had pressed aluminium.  The screw-on white
numbers always seemed to distort and crack after a year or so.

Geoff MacK
Chris Bolus - 23 Oct 2009 17:30 GMT
>The Mk 2 I had about that time had pressed aluminium.  The screw-on white
>numbers always seemed to distort and crack after a year or so.

My 1961 A40 Farina was still wearing its original plates with white
plastic letters (and dealer tag!) when I sold it three years ago. Aside
from some discolouration, the letters were in perfect condition. At the
time, the dealer was still in business too, though they have since
closed down.
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Halmyre - 23 Oct 2009 17:36 GMT
> >The Mk 2 I had about that time had pressed aluminium.  The screw-on white
> >numbers always seemed to distort and crack after a year or so.
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> time, the dealer was still in business too, though they have since
> closed down.

No wonder they closed down if you hang on to your cars that long.

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Charles Hamilton - 24 Oct 2009 13:06 GMT
I still have the original plates for my 1948 Vauxhall, plastic letter are
looking a bit sad and I think the last guy took them off with a crowbar but
they are still serviceable.

>> >The Mk 2 I had about that time had pressed aluminium.  The screw-on
>> >white
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>
> No wonder they closed down if you hang on to your cars that long.
Chris Bolus - 26 Oct 2009 12:41 GMT
>> >The Mk 2 I had about that time had pressed aluminium.  The screw-on white
>> >numbers always seemed to distort and crack after a year or so.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>No wonder they closed down if you hang on to your cars that long.

Now that's just a stupid response - I'm the same age as that car.

I bought my Austin as a barn find, restored it to show condition and in
the process realised who the main dealer was. Until then I had no idea
that they were ever an Austin dealer, as I'd known them first as Toyota
agents, then Subaru/Proton/Isuzu. I'm pretty sure it was a retirement
shutdown (family firm) rather than going bust.
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Halmyre - 26 Oct 2009 17:51 GMT
> >> >The Mk 2 I had about that time had pressed aluminium.  The screw-on white
> >> >numbers always seemed to distort and crack after a year or so.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> agents, then Subaru/Proton/Isuzu. I'm pretty sure it was a retirement
> shutdown (family firm) rather than going bust.

I'll get my coat...

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Pete M - 27 Oct 2009 20:20 GMT
> I have a 1965 Jaguar S type - what type of number plate would have been
> fitted to it originally?
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> had did (they weren't new when I got them!) - which makes the black look
> out of place, more so on '70-'72

My '62 Rover has the original black plates with grey rivetted letters,
but I'm getting black pressed ones for my '61 as I think they look better.

Personally, I think nothing looks worse than an obviously pre-70 car on
white and yellow plates. Even in the clips you posted a few of the cars
look awful on them, the VdP especially. Then again, I've never been a
fan of the white/yellow reflective plate, I remember in the mid '70s
thinking they looked worse than the black and white / silver ones.

I've just had a googlefest and can't find when white / yellow plates
were first introduced - as opposed to being made compulsory, but I'd
always go for black and silver.

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Peter A Forbes - 28 Oct 2009 15:27 GMT
>I've just had a googlefest and can't find when white / yellow plates
>were first introduced - as opposed to being made compulsory, but I'd
>always go for black and silver.

1966/67 or thereabouts, I remember having a set made for my Austin Champ and
being asked if I wanted the new plates or not.

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Charles Hamilton - 01 Nov 2009 08:50 GMT
Declaration "V796" from the DVLA states that "All vehicles registered after
1.1.1973 must be fitted with reflective plates"

>>I've just had a googlefest and can't find when white / yellow plates
>>were first introduced - as opposed to being made compulsory, but I'd
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> http://www.prepair.co.uk
> http://www.prepair.eu
sweller - 01 Nov 2009 08:57 GMT
> Declaration "V796" from the DVLA states that "All vehicles registered
> after 1.1.1973 must be fitted with reflective plates"

In the context of this thread - which is:  What type of construction of
numberplate (riveted or pressed, silver or white letters) should a 1965
Jaguar have or when were yellow/white plates first available - WTF has
declaration V796 got to do with anything?

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Dave Plowman (News) - 01 Nov 2009 10:19 GMT
> > Declaration "V796" from the DVLA states that "All vehicles registered
> > after 1.1.1973 must be fitted with reflective plates"

> In the context of this thread - which is:  What type of construction of
> numberplate (riveted or pressed, silver or white letters) should a 1965
> Jaguar have or when were yellow/white plates first available - WTF has
> declaration V796 got to do with anything?

Read his post again. It was answering a question - so helpful, unlike
yours.

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sweller - 01 Nov 2009 11:24 GMT
> > > Declaration "V796" from the DVLA states that "All vehicles
> > > registered after 1.1.1973 must be fitted with reflective plates"
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Read his post again. It was answering a question - so helpful, unlike
> yours.

Ok - where was the question he answered?

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Dave Plowman (News) - 01 Nov 2009 13:15 GMT
> > Read his post again. It was answering a question - so helpful, unlike
> > yours.

> Ok - where was the question he answered?

Perhaps you need to learn to read?

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sweller - 01 Nov 2009 14:57 GMT
> > > Read his post again. It was answering a question - so helpful,
> > > unlike yours.
>
> > Ok - where was the question he answered?
>
> Perhaps you need to learn to read?

Still at a loss to see the relevance of V796 in this context.

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Charles Hamilton - 01 Nov 2009 21:58 GMT
It's a reply to Peter Forbes' query on the date of compulsory fitting of
reflective plates. It's a part of the thread that You started on number
plates. He diversified from the main theme which is what I thought threads
invariably did, promote discussion on a theme!

>> > > Read his post again. It was answering a question - so helpful,
>> > > unlike yours.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Still at a loss to see the relevance of V796 in this context.
Peter A Forbes - 02 Nov 2009 09:42 GMT
>It's a reply to Peter Forbes' query on the date of compulsory fitting of
>reflective plates. It's a part of the thread that You started on number
>plates. He diversified from the main theme which is what I thought threads
>invariably did, promote discussion on a theme!

I was actually answering 'another' query:

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:20:23 +0000, Pete M
<pete.murray@SPAMFREEblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>I've just had a googlefest and can't find when white / yellow plates
>were first introduced - as opposed to being made compulsory, but I'd
>always go for black and silver.

1966/67 or thereabouts, I remember having a set made for my Austin Champ and
being asked if I wanted the new plates or not.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Peter
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Charles Hamilton - 02 Nov 2009 22:45 GMT
Yes, Just noticed that it was Pete M who originally wondered about the date
of compulsory fitment of reflectives.
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:58:41 -0000, "Charles Hamilton"
> <dyolfknip@btinternet.com>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> http://www.prepair.co.uk
> http://www.prepair.eu
Pete M - 03 Nov 2009 01:10 GMT
> Yes, Just noticed that it was Pete M who originally wondered about the
> date of compulsory fitment of reflectives.

>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:20:23 +0000, Pete M
>> <pete.murray@SPAMFREEblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> Champ and
>> being asked if I wanted the new plates or not.

> Yes, Just noticed that it was Pete M who originally wondered about the
> date of compulsory fitment of reflectives.

Um, I actually wondered about when they first appeared, rather than when
they were made compulsory ;-).

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sweller - 03 Nov 2009 07:02 GMT
> > Yes, Just noticed that it was Pete M who originally wondered about the
> > date of compulsory fitment of reflectives.
>
> Um, I actually wondered about when they first appeared, rather than
> when they were made compulsory ;-).

*ding*

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Peter A Forbes - 03 Nov 2009 10:12 GMT
>*ding*

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Charles Hamilton - 03 Nov 2009 22:01 GMT
*er*

>>*ding*
>
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> http://www.prepair.co.uk
> http://www.prepair.eu
Dave Plowman (News) - 03 Nov 2009 23:20 GMT
> >*ding*

> *plonk*

Sounds like that door bell needs a battery.

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Dean Dark - 03 Nov 2009 23:54 GMT
>> >*ding*
>
>> *plonk*
>
>Sounds like that door bell needs a battery.

Check the ground connection on the old battery first though.  It can
cause many of the same symptoms as a bad battery.
Charles Hamilton - 04 Nov 2009 23:33 GMT
Someone will no doubt disagree with that, Dave!!!!!

>> >*ding*
>
>> *plonk*
>
> Sounds like that door bell needs a battery.
Richard H Huelin - 05 Nov 2009 14:27 GMT
> Someone will no doubt disagree with that, Dave!!!!!
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>
>> Sounds like that door bell needs a battery.

Snip

It seems that someone put the battery in upside down ;-)
Grimly Curmudgeon - 20 Nov 2009 00:02 GMT
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "sweller"
<sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> saying something like:

>In the context of this thread - which is:  What type of construction of
>numberplate (riveted or pressed, silver or white letters) should a 1965
>Jaguar have

Most definitely separate whit characters on a black plate for '65.
Pressed plates were cheap sh.t and only found on chavvy cars.
 
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