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Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic marks). Please correct me if any of these not Brittish AC Austin Bristol Jenson Humber Morris MG Triumph Rover Morgon Aston Martin Rolls R Hillman any more? Chris >Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic marks). > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Rolls R >Hillman Reliant, TVR, Wolseley, Aston Martin, London Taxi's International... -- Howard Rose '66 VW Beetle 1300 Deluxe '62 Austin Mini Deluxe '64 Austin Mini Super Deluxe www.howard81.co.uk In news:oltp409jv54u953grqfdssgm9e7i5en705@4ax.com, Howard Rose <this-is-a-fake-address@I-am-not-here.com> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows >> Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic >> marks). [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Reliant, TVR, Wolseley, Aston Martin, London Taxi's International... Riley, Ginetta, Lotus, Jaguar, Vanden Plas, Noble, Ariel, Westfield, Caterham... this list could go on forever once people start bringing things like Beans into it.  SignaturePete M Alfa 164 TS, Mercedes 500 SEL, Jaguar XJ-S 3.6, Golf GTi 8v Mk2 Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain > In news:oltp409jv54u953grqfdssgm9e7i5en705@4ax.com, > Howard Rose <this-is-a-fake-address@I-am-not-here.com> decided to enlighten [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Caterham... this list could go on forever once people start bringing things > like Beans into it. Lanchester? Seem to remember the name, sure they were British, don't think they lasted too long though, bought up post WW2 maybe? In news:c2j2ir$iud$1@news.freedom2surf.net, Stuffed <merde@theworld.com> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows >>> Reliant, TVR, Wolseley, Aston Martin, London Taxi's International... >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Seem to remember the name, sure they were British, don't think they > lasted too long though, bought up post WW2 maybe? indeed they were british, allegedly bloody good an all. IIRC the last things they built were troop carrying things in WW2, then they were bought out or summat... SignaturePete M Alfa 164 TS, Mercedes 500 SEL, Jaguar XJ-S 3.6, Golf GTi 8v Mk2 Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain >> In news:oltp409jv54u953grqfdssgm9e7i5en705@4ax.com, >> Howard Rose <this-is-a-fake-address@I-am-not-here.com> decided to [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >Seem to remember the name, sure they were British, don't think they lasted >too long though, bought up post WW2 maybe? Aqquired by Birmingham Small Arms company in 1931 after the bank foreclosed on debts of £28,000. BSA also owned Daimler, the name Lanchester carried on, usually as a version of Daimler cars untill it's demise in about 1955 when the Lanchester 14 was discontinued. Daimler subsequently aqquired by Jaguar in the 60's. Jaguar then bought by Ford. Alex >Lanchester? > >Seem to remember the name, sure they were British, don't think they lasted >too long though, bought up post WW2 maybe? Until the 1950s, though they'd been part of Daimler for years by then. Oddly enough I saw a late-model Lanchester yesterday - first time I've seen one in years. It looked very much like the Daimler Majestic for the smaller household.. SignatureAndy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/ "Time has stopped, says the Black Lion clock and eternity has begun" (Dylan Thomas) > >Lanchester? > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > seen one in years. It looked very much like the Daimler Majestic > for the smaller household.. I remember I had the full set of "On four Wheels" or something like that - One of those buy the lot type magazines, put them in quite nice silver fronted binders. Had a feature on Lanchester, that I'm sure said something about him being a great designer, but not so good at the other areas of making cars... Could be very wrong though, the mags were new just after the Esprit came out, and I read them (quite) a few years later when I was in my early teens, so memory's a bit hazy! >> >Lanchester? >> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >about him being a great designer, but not so good at the other areas of >making cars... The Lanchester brothers were great engineers, and made what were considered some of the finest cars in the world at the time. The car of choice for Royalty, here and abroad was a Lanchester. Some of the Lanchester inventions are still in use, or thier decendants. For example, some modern 4/5 cylinder engine use harmonic balancer shafts to make the engines smoother. He registered over 400 patents, and the Lanchester was the first, all-british, 4-wheel petrol. For example, some modern 4/5 cylinder engine use harmonic balancer shafts to make the engines smoother This was first designed and used by Fred Lanchester in 1911. He patented a 4wd system in 1904, the Crankshaft Vibration Damper in 1910, a design incorporated inside the crankshaft pully, an idea which appears on practically every engine made today. He invented hydraulic suspension in 1918, some 30 years before Citroen used it, also present on this design was inboard rear brakes, not otherwise used untill 1923 by Benz, and also proposed hydraulic brakes, some 3 years before Duesenberg managed it. Lanchester's eventuall downfall was not due to design, or technical ability, or the cars produced, but more due to Fred's lack of financial acumen, coupled with his dislike of the kind of decisions that the Lanchester Motor Co board members made regarding cars. Fred always wanted to instigate a technical solution, which while the best option, was not the cheapest, or one acceptable on the basis of his ideas being "too innovative". The company was taken over by the Birmingham Small Arms co in 1931, after the Bank refused to entertain the companies debts of £28,000. The depression did some measure to contribute to this. Thus Lanchester became amalgamated with the Daimler brand, also owned by BSA. Alex In news:satr409hqorldm35ouq3oe6239tj8hnet9@4ax.com, Alex <nospam.alex@cbmsys.co.uk> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows >>>> Lanchester? >>>> >>>> Seem to remember the name, sure they were British, don't think >>>> they lasted too long though, bought up post WW2 maybe? > The Lanchester brothers were great engineers, and made what were > considered some of the finest cars in the world at the time. The car [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > suspension in 1918, some 30 years before Citroen used it, also present > on this design was inboard rear brakes, inboard rear brakes? any chance of digging the bastard back up and getting him to do the back pads on my Jag do ya reckon? SignaturePete M Alfa 164 TS, Mercedes 500 SEL, Jaguar XJ-S 3.6, Golf GTi 8v Mk2 Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain > > In news:oltp409jv54u953grqfdssgm9e7i5en705@4ax.com, > > Howard Rose <this-is-a-fake-address@I-am-not-here.com> decided to [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Seem to remember the name, sure they were British, don't think they lasted > too long though, bought up post WW2 maybe? Bought (nicked?) by Daimler. In their earlier days one of the most inventive and innovative manufacturers ever. Still can't figure out how their double conrod system worked, but it did. Geoff MacK Just to put this in perspective ... ... from the London Evening Standard 19/3/2004 (an article on the new Coventry Motor Museum) "The city had been home to 111 motorcycle manufacturers, 136 car and commerical vehicle builders, coachmakers and component manufacturers as well as 271 cycle manufacturers" > Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic marks). > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > any more? In addition to those you mention all the following makers displayed vehicles at the 1938 Earls Court Motor Show. There were many more British makers just before the First World War which could be listed if of interest. Alvis Arnstrong Siddeley B.S.A. Bentley British Salmson Daimler Frazer Nash Jowett Lagonda Lanchester Lea Francis Railton Riley S.S. (Jaguar) Singer Standard Sunbeam Talbot Vauxhall Wolseley Signaturehttp://www.tractordata.co.uk/ > > Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic marks). > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Austin > > Bristol ..........snip > > any more? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Arnstrong Siddeley > B.S.A. ..........snip > Singer > Standard [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > http://www.tractordata.co.uk/ Vauxhall? I didn't know it was a British make, thanks for that. And to think I wouldn't buy one as I only buy British cars. I wonder If I can find an old Victor to do up some day. Chris >Vauxhall? I didn't know it was a British make, thanks for that. And to >think I wouldn't buy one as I only buy British cars. I wonder If I can find >an old Victor to do up some day. It was up until 1920 or so - IIRC W.O. Bentley was one of their designers. You need Leyland in e list, too - they vertured into the car business in the 1920s with the Parry Thomas designed Leyland Eight. SignatureAndy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/ "Time has stopped, says the Black Lion clock and eternity has begun" (Dylan Thomas) > > > Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic marks). > > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Vauxhall > > Wolseley > Vauxhall? I didn't know it was a British make, thanks for that. And to > think I wouldn't buy one as I only buy British cars. I wonder If I can find > an old Victor to do up some day. Sarcasm from a person who has the vaguest clue of what they are talking about might be amusing, but when someone opens their mouth before engaging their brain, it simply makes them look like a clueless fuckwit. Did you not think about verifying your facts before coming out with that statement? Maybe you would care to enlighten us about the country of origin of the Prince Henry and the nationality of Laurence Pomeroy. Signaturehttp://hotfog.co.uk/rollers/ > > > > Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic > marks). [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > -- Seemed like a perfectly reasonable enquiry to me - chap looking for information - why dump on him from such a great height? Geoff MacK > > > > > Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic > > marks). [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > statement? Maybe you would care to enlighten us about the country of > > origin of the Prince Henry and the nationality of Laurence Pomeroy. > Seemed like a perfectly reasonable enquiry to me - chap looking for > information - why dump on him from such a great height? It was, and I gave a perfectly reasonable answer to which he responded to with the smart arse comments about Vauxhall Victor's. The fact is that Vauxhall was originally totally British, (Named after Vauxhall Works London) and even though in GM ownership since well before WWII up the end of the Victor range the design and the content was British. Apart from the Hydramatic auto boxes used on some of the range until then, as far as I am aware no parts were interchangeable with either the German Opel range or the US GM range. Certainly American owned for a very long time but the cars made by Vauxhall until the late 60's early 70's had as much British content as any other car made in the United Kingdom. > > > > > "Chris Stubbs" <news.2004@chrisstubbs.karoo.co.uk> wrote in > message > > > > > news:Vq2cnSODvb9YaNHdSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk... > > > > > > Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic > > > marks). Scootacar Segway (? - it does have powered wheels!) Sinclair (as in C5) Trojan Elva Budgie > Scootacar > Segway (? - it does have powered wheels!) > Sinclair (as in C5) > Trojan Did they make any cars apart from Heinkels under licence? > Elva > > Budgie Haven't heard of that one :=O SignatureRichard Porter Mail to username ricp at domain minijem.plus.com "You can't have Windows without pains." >> Scootacar >> Segway (? - it does have powered wheels!) >> Sinclair (as in C5) >> Trojan > >Did they make any cars apart from Heinkels under licence? Oh, yes, between 1922 and 1935 they produced their own utility car, which enjoyed a fair success. It's slogan was "Cheaper than walking." >> Elva >> >> Budgie > >Haven't heard of that one :=O SignatureRegards Leroy Curtis Please replace "nospam" with "baram" in my address if you wish to reply by Email > > Elva > > Haven't heard of that one :=O Sports cars made in Hastings during the 50s. Budgie > > > Elva You deleted the crucial bit! > > Haven't heard of that one :=O > > Sports cars made in Hastings during the 50s. I have heard of Elva and well remember the Elva Courier - but you missed the point. Oh well, never mind! SignatureRichard Porter Mail to username ricp at domain minijem.plus.com "You can't have Windows without pains." > Segway (? - it does have powered wheels!) Apart from the fact that Segway's American.... snip > It was, and I gave a perfectly reasonable answer to which he responded > to with the smart arse comments about Vauxhall Victor's. The fact is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > 70's had as much British content as any other car made in the United > Kingdom. In the 60s a lot of Vauxhall parts were simply variations on GM USA parts I remember fitting the boot lock from a Cresta to my fathers 63 Impala, the locks weren't the same but handle and barrel fitted directly in place of the original Chevy item. > It was, and I gave a perfectly reasonable answer to which he responded > to with the smart arse comments about Vauxhall Victor's. The fact is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > 70's had as much British content as any other car made in the United > Kingdom. Like any other GM division Vauxhall had to sing from the same GM Detroit dictated hymm book but had a fair amount of freedom to alter design detailing within in that. Interestingly in WW2 after Dunkirk the german forces captured very large number of Bedord trucks which were taken on muster and kept running using Opel parts -- some were still used in civil defence roles right to the end of the conflict. The HA Viva was simply a copy of Opel Kadet mechanicals and chassis , the Viva design diverged more from Opel with the coming of the HB and the HC, but if you have the two side by side on the workshop floor the engines and gearboxes clearly had the same roots right the way through to the last UK made Chevettes which sold in Germany after RWD Kadet production in Germany stopped. Likewise anyone familiar with early 60s Chevies will recognise the Detroit influence on the suspension of the FD Victor, while the FE under pinnings were Opels variations on the same theme. Prior to this of course Vauxhall had always worked very closely with Holden > > > Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic marks). > > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Chris Wasn't Vauxhall the first Brit make to be bought up by an American co, i.e. General Motors? In 1928 or thereabouts? And could reasonably be thought of as having produced the first "sports car" - the Prince Henry. Absolute purists tend to rate the the Vauhall 30/98 as being better than the equivalent Bentley, albeit some years younger. Not driven or owned either, so not in a position to comment. Geoff MacK > > Vauxhall? I didn't know it was a British make, thanks for that. And to > > think I wouldn't buy one as I only buy British cars. I wonder If I can [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Geoff MacK Thanks for that Mark, I know little about Vauxhall's history, that was vary interesting, someone else mentioned a Prince Henry, now I know what it is. The only Vauxhalls I've ever been in were my fathers Viva and his Victor, both of which I remember fondly from my time as a small child. We used to keep having to do something with newspapers and chicken wire in the front wing (can't think what that was) . Despite the hostility some people seem to have towards me restoring one, hey, why not? Thanks again, Chris snip > Wasn't Vauxhall the first Brit make to be bought up by an American co, i.e. > General Motors? In 1928 or thereabouts? And could reasonably be thought of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Geoff MacK The Sunbeam of the day would have been my choice, terrifiic engine and more pannache than either of the above. Not sure of the exact date of the Vauxhall take over, 1928 sounds right certainly after that point Bedford sold the rebadged Chevy truck that was so successful it was direct engineering ancestor of all subsequent Bedford lorries and coaches. > Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic marks). > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > any more? Many, many, *many* more. I'm certain that a definitive list does not exist anywhere. shameless plug You can filter the marques on my site by country. See http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/?country=UK for all the UK ones currently in the database. I have 135 listed in the database, probably a few thousand are not listed! /shameless plug FWIW, the _Complete Catalogue of British Cars_, 1974 lists around 800 marques, and I know it to be not quite 100% complete. A good few have come & gone since then too. HTH Ciao Zak -- ======================================================================== http://www.carfolio.com/ Searchable database of 10 000+ car specs ======================================================================== > Please correct me if any of these not Brittish > > Morgon <pedant> The British one was Morgan </pedant> :-) Jim > > Please correct me if any of these not Brittish > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Jim Surley "Morg still here" :-) > > Please correct me if any of these not Brittish > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Jim Dead right Jim, My Mistake.. >> Please correct me if any of these not Brittish >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] ></pedant> >:-) No objections to "Jenson", then, pedant-wise? :-) He's British, but I don't think he's built any cars yet... > Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic marks). > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Chris here is a start. Albion (car maker before they made lorries) Alvis Argyle Arkley Armstrong-Siddley Arrol-Aster Arrol-Johnston Austin-Healey Bearmore Bentley Bond Bristol Brough Superior Caterham Chevron Clan Clyno Connaught Crosley BSA Davrian De Lorean Diva Elva Fairthrope Frazer-Nash Galloway G.N. Ginetta Healey Jensen Healey Hillman HRG Jowett Lagonda Lea-Francis Lola Lotus Mallock Marcos Midas Peerless (UK) Railton Riley Sunbeam Singer SS Standard Swallow Turner TVR Warick Wolseley > > Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic marks). > > > > Please correct me if any of these not Brittish > > > > AC > > Austin ..................... > here is a start. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Clyno > Connaught .......................... Brough Superior ???? What on Earth is that ? Chris >"dilbert" <24RailwayCuttings@east.cheam.co.uk> wrote in message >> Brough Superior >Brough Superior ???? >What on Earth is that ? High-class, lightweight and low chassis with a honking great USian straight-eight in it. Railtons were similar, and there were others. Think of them as 1930s Bristols or Jensens. We're talking lots of performance from a lazy engine. SignatureAndy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/ "Time has stopped, says the Black Lion clock and eternity has begun" (Dylan Thomas) > > > Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic marks). > > > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Chris I recall it just pre-war as a wonderful motorcycle. An excellent frame with a one-litre twin (V, Ducati style). Unfortunately I can't remember what the source of the engine was, but I'm sure someone on this NG will know. One of the stunts they pulled at the Motor Show was to have the Brough up on a stand and set the revs to max. It didn't fall over nor did it shake itself to bits; they then they showed that the engine was not even bolted to the frame - it was just resting there. Did they build a car? Rings a terribly vague bell, but I just don't recall. Somewhere down the gaslit end of my memory banks. Geoff MacK snip > > Brough Superior ???? > > What on Earth is that ? > I recall it just pre-war as a wonderful motorcycle. An excellent frame with > a one-litre twin (V, Ducati style). Unfortunately I can't remember what the > source of the engine was, but I'm sure someone on this NG will know. > Did they build a car? Rings a terribly vague bell, but I just don't recall. > Somewhere down the gaslit end of my memory banks. They did and survivors are still showstoppers today. http://makeashorterlink.com/?W66011AA7 >I recall it just pre-war as a wonderful motorcycle. An excellent frame with >a one-litre twin (V, Ducati style). Unfortunately I can't remember what the >source of the engine was, but I'm sure someone on this NG will know. JAP - no not Japanese, J. A. Prestwich :-) Brough also built a few bikes with their own engines, mostly 4 cylinder, and they also used the Austin 7 engine. >Did they build a car? Yep SignatureCheers, Stan Barr stanb .at. dial .dot. pipex .dot. com (Remove any digits from the addresses when mailing me.) The future was never like this! 'Twas Tue, 9 Mar 2004 18:22:59 -0000, when "Geoff Mackenzie" <geoff@acsysindia.freeserve.co.uk> decided to declare: >> > > Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic marks). (snip) >> > Brough Superior >> > Caterham [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >itself to bits; they then they showed that the engine was not even bolted >to the frame - it was just resting there. And famously the make on which Lawrence of Arabia was killed. And allowed to call themselves 'The "Rolls-Royce" of motorcycles' Made somewhere near Nottingham (or maybe in the city itself), long time since I lved there and memory is also hazy! >Did they build a car? Rings a terribly vague bell, but I just don't recall. >Somewhere down the gaslit end of my memory banks. ISTR from an old Classic & Sportscar they used a lot of Hudson parts? Del. -- STOP PRESS - Microsoft buys Electrolux and finally manage to produce something that doesn't suck... To email me, you must remove YOURCLOTHES 'Twas Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:59:51 +0000, when Del The Obscure <derekYOURCLOTHESheath@eircom.net> decided to declare: (Brough Superiors) >>I recall it just pre-war as a wonderful motorcycle. An excellent frame with >>a one-litre twin (V, Ducati style). Unfortunately I can't remember what the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Made somewhere near Nottingham (or maybe in the city itself), long >time since I lved there and memory is also hazy! One definitely made in Nottingham was the Celer. Built in 1904, there is one at the Wollaton Hall Museum (They have a Brough Superior bike too!) The Celer always used to be on the London to Brighton http://www.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk/~cczodell/nottm.html#Wollaton%20Hall And the name Paramount rings a bell as a make too? Del >And the name Paramount rings a bell as a make too? Yes, it was a 50s sporting car using a Ford Consul engine IIRC. SignatureRegards Leroy Curtis Please replace "nospam" with "baram" in my address if you wish to reply by Email > >And the name Paramount rings a bell as a make too? > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Leroy Curtis Leroy - hesitate to question you, as from many previous posts I think you know more about old cars than I do, but I don't think the Consul was around in the fifties? Wasn't it the venerable 1172 sidevalve? Geoff MacK >> >And the name Paramount rings a bell as a make too? >> > >> Yes, it was a 50s sporting car using a Ford Consul engine IIRC. >> >Leroy - hesitate to question you, as from many previous posts I think you >know more about old cars than I do, Don't bet on it; I make mistakes and my memory isn't perfect. >but I don't think the Consul was around >in the fifties? Wasn't it the venerable 1172 sidevalve? The first Consuls, the Mk Is, were launched in October 1950, with a new 1508 cc ohv engine, while the 1172 sv unit continued in the Prefect. We are both right about the Paramount, and you are really more right than me; between 1950-54 cars were built with the 1172 sv engine, while the last cars, in 1955, used Consul engines. Total production over the 6 years was only 72 cars. SignatureRegards Leroy Curtis Please replace "nospam" with "baram" in my address if you wish to reply by Email On 12/03/2004 19:11, in article c2t19m$odl$2@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk, "Geoff Mackenzie" <geoff@acsysindia.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > I don't think the Consul was around in the fifties? The Consul first appeared in 1951 - same bodyshell as the Zephyr. Ford developed the confusing habit of putting the Consul tag on cars widely known by other names - the Cortina was originally referred to as the Consul Cortina, and the 109E Classic was the Consul Classic. > 'Twas Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:59:51 +0000, when Del The Obscure > <derekYOURCLOTHESheath@eircom.net> decided to declare: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > And the name Paramount rings a bell as a make too? The Paramount Roadster was introduced in 1951 and was basically a Ford 1172 sidevalve special. I think later versions had TR power. There were links with Warwick - may have been the same company under a different name (finances were complicated). Anybody mentioned Dellow? HRG? Kieft? Lagonda? All this is thanks to my Observer's Book of Automobiles, 1954. Geoff MacK >Anybody mentioned Dellow? HRG? Kieft? Lagonda? All this is thanks to my >Observer's Book of Automobiles, 1954. There must have been literally thousands of specialist British manufacturers of varying sizes and standards over the last 100 years. I was just mentioning the Reading-built Bucklers somewhere else. Still a thriving specialist industry today. Westfield, DAX, Chesil, Ultima, Suffolk, Tiger, Gardner Douglas.....and dozens more. David Betts (davidb@motorsport.org.uk) The Classic Car Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=17830847103&n=398038677 >>Anybody mentioned Dellow? HRG? Kieft? Lagonda? All this is thanks to >>my Observer's Book of Automobiles, 1954. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Still a thriving specialist industry today. Westfield, DAX, Chesil, > Ultima, Suffolk, Tiger, Gardner Douglas.....and dozens more. Hmm. Some of these are no more than knock-off kit builders IMHO - not quite the same as Buckler and the rest of the group that I think was exemplified by Lotus. Ciao Zak -- ======================================================================== http://www.carfolio.com/ Searchable database of 10 000+ car specs ======================================================================== >> Still a thriving specialist industry today. Westfield, DAX, Chesil, >> Ultima, Suffolk, Tiger, Gardner Douglas.....and dozens more. > >Hmm. Some of these are no more than knock-off kit builders IMHO - not quite >the same as Buckler and the rest of the group that I think was >exemplified by Lotus. I suggest you go and look at their products. All were selected because they are genuine constructors. Some of the cars may be loosely described as replicas, but all contain genuine original engineering to a very high standard and are, in general, very much better all round cars than the similarly styled originals ever were. David Betts (davidb@motorsport.org.uk) The Classic Car Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=17830847103&n=398038677 {Re: Brough Superior} >ISTR from an old Classic & Sportscar they used a lot of Hudson parts? Terraplane (aka "Terrible Pain"), I think. There used to be a nice looking Terraplane round here many years ago. SignatureCheers, Stan Barr stanb .at. dial .dot. pipex .dot. com (Remove any digits from the addresses when mailing me.) The future was never like this! >>Brough Superior ???? >>What on Earth is that ? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a one-litre twin (V, Ducati style). Unfortunately I can't remember what the > source of the engine was, but I'm sure someone on this NG will know. Of course any discussion of motorcycles needs to include Hurley-Pugh. See http://www.hurley-pugh.co.uk/wildebeeste.html for more details. Who who ever rode one could possibly forget their 1932 Cavalryman All-terrain Mk. VIII ?? >> > Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic marks). As a Scot co-worker said, "If you must buy junk, buy British junk!" > > AC > > Austin [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > Warick > Wolseley What about McLaren, they made the F1 road car. What about adding British racing teams? Arrows, Williams, Jordon, etc. Or, is that going in the direction of the 'makes of what?' comment! > What about McLaren, they made the F1 road car. What about adding British > racing teams? Arrows, Williams, Jordon, etc. Or, is that going in the > direction of the 'makes of what?' comment! I did mention Classic cars at the start of this thread, but I suppose these teams have been around for some time too. Chris >> Or, is that going in the direction of the 'makes of what?' comment! > I did mention Classic cars at the start of this thread <fetches can, can opener, reads label on side of can that says "Worms"....> So what's a "Classic car", then? [snip] > Davrian ... > Diva [snip] Nice to see those in there. Missing Deep Sanderson, Unipower, Swallow Doretti and a few of my other favourites. Ciao Zak -- ======================================================================== http://www.carfolio.com/ Searchable database of 10 000+ car specs ======================================================================== > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Nice to see those in there. Missing Deep Sanderson, Unipower, Indeed, but there was an enormous number of very low production Mini specials, kits and derivatives (as also VW Beetle, Austin 7, Ford 1172 and quite a few others). See my list at http://www.minimarcos.org.uk/mega.html for the Mini ones. Of course Mini is also a marque in its own right. > Swallow Doretti and a few of my other favourites. I think Swallow was in "dilbert's" list, as well as SS = Swallow Sidecars = Jaguar (because SS suddenly didn't seem such a good name after WW2). Someone mentioned Vanden Plas which isn't British. It was a Belgian coachbuilder (Flemmish, so it's pronounced "Plas" not "Pla"), but the name was used on some British cars including Princess and Jaguar in much the same way as Ford used Ghia. I think Allard deserves to be included amongst the "classic marques" as well as Tornado and Cooper. There are a lot more racing car constructors but I guess Chris was thinking more along the lines of road cars. I always thought that the Brough Superior was a bike but some of the bike manufacturers also made three-wheelers. BSA certainly did. SignatureRichard Porter Mail to username ricp at domain minijem.plus.com "You can't have Windows without pains." >Someone mentioned Vanden Plas which isn't British. It was a Belgian >coachbuilder (Flemmish, so it's pronounced "Plas" not "Pla"), but the >name was used on some British cars including Princess and Jaguar in >much the same way as Ford used Ghia. The UK branch was Vanden Plas, the Belgian was Van den Plas. The UK company was originally a subsidiary of the Belgian one, but became independent of it in 1923. Before WW II Vanden Plas existed as coachbuilders, building bodies for, inter alia, Bentley, Rolls-Royce and Alvis, but Austin acquired the company in 1946, initially to build their luxury Princess models. Vanden Plas was registered as a marque in its own right for the production of the Vanden Plas Princess 3-litre and 4-litre cars from 1959 onwards, and became part of BL when BMH merged with Leyland. With the discontinuation of the Allegro-based Vanden Plas 1500/1700 in 1980, Vanden Plas became a badge applied to the top-of-the range Daimler saloon, like Ghia, as you rightly say, for Ford. However, between 1959 and 1980, it was a separate, British, make. SignatureRegards Leroy Curtis Please replace "nospam" with "baram" in my address if you wish to reply by Email > >Someone mentioned Vanden Plas which isn't British. It was a Belgian > >coachbuilder (Flemmish, so it's pronounced "Plas" not "Pla"), but the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Please replace "nospam" with "baram" in my address if you wish to > reply by Email Cheers Leroy, it can go back on the list then. Chris > With the discontinuation of the Allegro-based Vanden Plas > 1500/1700 in 1980, Vanden Plas became a badge applied to the top-of-the > range Daimler saloon, like Ghia, as you rightly say, for Ford. However, > between 1959 and 1980, it was a separate, British, make. Even ignoring the '80s VdP badged versions of the Rover SD1 and 200, I'm not quite sure that a badge, grille and wood'n'leather applied by BL to a succession of increasingly dire porridge qualifies as a "separate make". The VdP 3- and 4-litres, p'raps. >>With the discontinuation of the Allegro-based Vanden Plas >>1500/1700 in 1980, Vanden Plas became a badge applied to the top-of-the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > The VdP 3- and 4-litres, p'raps. The 3- and 4-litre ones were really just an Austin A99/A110 Westminster in a party-frock, in the same way as the VDP 1500 was a tarted- up Allegro, and then there was that Austin Sheerline in drag that was also sold with a VDP badge back in the 1950s.... >> With the discontinuation of the Allegro-based Vanden Plas >> 1500/1700 in 1980, Vanden Plas became a badge applied to the top-of-the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >The VdP 3- and 4-litres, p'raps. The only cars Vanden Plas made which were other than tarted-up Austins were the big Princess 4-litre limousines (which had their roots in the 1950s Austin Princess) and the Princess 4-litre R, which was derived from the Austin Westminster. However. It was registered as a brand name with the SMM & T, and the log book would say Vanden Plas rather than Austin, so I think they qualify. SignatureRegards Leroy Curtis Please replace "nospam" with "baram" in my address if you wish to reply by Email > >> With the discontinuation of the Allegro-based Vanden Plas > >> 1500/1700 in 1980, Vanden Plas became a badge applied to the top-of-the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > with the SMM & T, and the log book would say Vanden Plas rather than > Austin, so I think they qualify. Trouble is go down that route and "Ghia" as used by Ford becomes a british manufacturer and an argument can also me made for "Thrupp and Maberly" as applied as tag by Rootes. >> >Leroy Curtis (leroy@nospam.demon.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much >like [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >manufacturer and an argument can also me made for "Thrupp and Maberly" as >applied as tag by Rootes. Not really. Neither Ghia nor Thrupp and Maberley would appear as the vehicle manufacturer in a registration document. The manufacturers were still Ford or Sunbeam. SignatureRegards Leroy Curtis Please replace "nospam" with "baram" in my address if you wish to reply by Email In news:3c0d2f8d4c.news@user.argonet.co.uk, Richard Porter <dontusethis@address.uk.invalid> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows > Someone mentioned Vanden Plas which isn't British. It was a Belgian > coachbuilder (Flemmish, so it's pronounced "Plas" not "Pla"), but the > name was used on some British cars including Princess and Jaguar in > much the same way as Ford used Ghia. I mentioned Vanden Plas in regard to the Rolls Royce engined thing from the 60's, which was British. You're right about them being of Flemish extraction though. SignaturePete M Alfa 164 TS, Mercedes 500 SEL, Jaguar XJ-S 3.6, Golf GTi 8v Mk2 Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain > In news:3c0d2f8d4c.news@user.argonet.co.uk, > Richard Porter <dontusethis@address.uk.invalid> decided to enlighten our [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You're right about them being of Flemish extraction though. Vanden Plas to be struck off the list then. Chris >> Nice to see those in there. Missing Deep Sanderson, Unipower, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.minimarcos.org.uk/mega.html for the Mini ones. Of course Mini > is also a marque in its own right. Yup. >> Swallow Doretti and a few of my other favourites. > > I think Swallow was in "dilbert's" list, as well as SS = Swallow > Sidecars = Jaguar (because SS suddenly didn't seem such a good name > after WW2). No, not Swallow Sidecars, but Swallow Doretti. Triumph-based convertible, stunning body. See http://www.doretti.co.uk/ > I think Allard deserves to be included amongst the "classic marques" as > well as Tornado and Cooper. There are a lot more racing car constructors > but I guess Chris was thinking more along the lines of road cars. Was Falcon in his list? I can't remember. If older racers are to be included as well, then there's Rejo & Kieft as well. > I always thought that the Brough Superior was a bike but some of the > bike manufacturers also made three-wheelers. BSA certainly did. Brough Superior made vast US 8 & 12 cylinder engined cars. Not sure if Squire's been mentioned, but that definitely needs a place on the list too. There's also Raymond Mays, Autocrat, AV, Bentall, British Slamson, British Ensign, Briton, Brooke, Deasy, Lotis (not Lotus), Alta, Andre, Arab, Lola, Rochdale, Rytecraft, Trident. Ciao Zak -- ======================================================================== http://www.carfolio.com/ Searchable database of 10 000+ car specs ======================================================================== > >> Nice to see those in there. Missing Deep Sanderson, Unipower, > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > No, not Swallow Sidecars, but Swallow Doretti. Triumph-based convertible There was a link, although fairly tenuous, between Swallow as in Doretti (a rebodied TR) and Swallow as in Jaguar. Could dig out the details, but I think it was something to do with William Lyons's original partner who went his own way very early on. Geoff MacK > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > http://www.carfolio.com/ Searchable database of 10 000+ car specs > ======================================================================== Unipower sounds like an electricity company. Chris > Unipower sounds like an electricity company. It was made by Universal Power Drives. Their main business was tractor units. SignatureRichard Porter Mail to username ricp at domain minijem.plus.com "You can't have Windows without pains." > Unipower sounds like an electricity company. What does an electricity company sound like? ;-) Seriously though, it's a car I would have in a heartbeat if I could. Beautiful and handled amazingly well according to reports. Ciao Zak -- ======================================================================== http://www.carfolio.com/ Searchable database of 10 000+ car specs ======================================================================== > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Nice to see those in there. Missing Deep Sanderson, Unipower, Swallow > Doretti and a few of my other favourites. The Swallow Doretti was A1 goreous -- I also forgot Cox GTM, Scamp, the lovely Gordon Keeble, Simms, Evante, Jem --- I drew the line at adding Dutton (ugh! only good as donors for Locosts) and Spartan (ugh!!!! UGH !!!!!! crush em all ) and Enfield Electric. Strangley I can't think of a british steam powered car only stean wagons. > > [snip] > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Strangley I can't think of a british steam powered car only stean wagons. The following British makers produced steam powered cars: Pearson-Cox Turner-Miesse > > Strangley I can't think of a british steam powered car only stean > wagons. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Pearson-Cox > Turner-Miesse Trevithick (?sp) produced a steam powered car too. I saw Fred Dibnah driving one on a BBC2 programme not long ago. Jim > > > Strangley I can't think of a british steam powered car only stean > > wagons. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Trevithick (?sp) produced a steam powered car too. I saw Fred Dibnah driving > one on a BBC2 programme not long ago. More of a horseless stage coach really, there were also several others, but very few by the advent of the petrol driven car. Signaturehttp://www.tractordata.co.uk/ > > > Strangley I can't think of a british steam powered car only stean > > wagons. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Trevithick (?sp) produced a steam powered car too. I saw Fred Dibnah driving > one on a BBC2 programme not long ago. I think that was a replica. Geoff MacK Richard H Huelin <allspamreported@planefacts.co.uk> wrote in message news:1078922421.13560.0@iris.uk.clara.net... > Strangley I can't think of a british steam powered car only steam > wagons. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Pearson-Cox > Turner-Miesse A few years ago I remember seeing a steam powered Rickman Metisse. It didn't have a boiler, just a pressure vessel that was pre-charged with steam. I think it was built for a record attempt, but I have no idea what happened to it. SignatureRichard Porter Mail to username ricp at domain minijem.plus.com "You can't have Windows without pains." snip > > Trevithick (?sp) produced a steam powered car too. I saw Fred Dibnah > driving [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Geoff MacK A pity Fred has never made a car -- a "Dibnah" would be a make of legend like Jowett, I can just see with a chassis made of 10 inch RSJ and a single cylinder of 8 inch bore and 12 inch stroke, of course it would have chain drive and fluid flywheel. I want one !!!!! > a single > cylinder of 8 inch bore and 12 inch stroke, Isn't there a tractor with an engine like that? A single cylinder diesel with a ridiculous number of CCs - several litres I think? Jim "Jim Warren" <jw007d4620@OMITblueyonder.co.uk> realised it was Sat, 13 Mar 2004 14:02:35 -0000 and decided it was time to write: >> a single >> cylinder of 8 inch bore and 12 inch stroke, >> >Isn't there a tractor with an engine like that? A single cylinder diesel >with a ridiculous number of CCs - several litres I think? Lanz Bulldog. Get yours here: http://www.prestonservices.co.uk/tractors.htm SignatureY. > "Jim Warren" <jw007d4620@OMITblueyonder.co.uk> realised it was Sat, 13 > Mar 2004 14:02:35 -0000 and decided it was time to write: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Lanz Bulldog. Get yours here: In addition to the Lanz Bulldog the British Field Marshall and the French S.F. Vierzon used similar large capacity single cylinder diesel engines. For those who might be interested both pictures and information about all three appear in the appropriate sections of my tractor web site. http://tractordata.co.uk > > a single > > cylinder of 8 inch bore and 12 inch stroke, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jim One was giving rides at Goodwood last year. Bounced up and down a lot. Geoff MacK > > > a single > > > cylinder of 8 inch bore and 12 inch stroke, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > One was giving rides at Goodwood last year. Bounced up and down a lot. The original bouncy castle? The starting procedure for such machines is to say the least interesting. The Lanz and the S.F. require the use of a blowlamp, the Field Marshall uses pyrotechnics!!! See: http://makeashorterlink.com/?V213227B7 > > > > a single > > > > cylinder of 8 inch bore and 12 inch stroke, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > a blowlamp, the Field Marshall uses pyrotechnics!!! See: > http://makeashorterlink.com/?V213227B7 Is that the Goodwood one? Looks like it. About 11 litres or so? Re starting procedure - bloody hell! I'll never complain about a flat battery again. Although, from a previous incarnation (I wish) there were a number of military aircraft just pre and probably during WW2 which required an explosive charge dropped down a hole. With luck it would sort of kick start the engine into life. And then, of course, there were the inertia starters, which involved an erk spinning a great big starting handle until the flywheel reached critical speed, rhen abandoning ship with ears covered while the pilot pulled a few bits of string and hoped the oily bits would commence to function. Geoff MacK > > > > > a single > > > > > cylinder of 8 inch bore and 12 inch stroke, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > explosive charge dropped down a hole. With luck it would sort of kick start > the engine into life. And then, of course, there were the inertia starters, Still used on some older jet engines like the early marks of RR Avon -- not sure if the RAF may still have a couple of Canberras flying with this type of starter, they were certainly using specialist Canberras in the most recent Iraq war. > > > > > > a single > > > > > > cylinder of 8 inch bore and 12 inch stroke, [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > type of starter, they were certainly using specialist Canberras in the most > recent Iraq war. Could you really start a jet engine with either an inertia starter or explosive charge? Amazed to hear the the Canberra is still flying. Makes me feel almost young. I thought the last of the oldies (apart from the Shackleton) was the Comet, still plugging away in AWACS format with a nasty growth on its back. Geoff MacK >Amazed to hear the the Canberra is still flying. Makes me feel almost >young. I thought the last of the oldies (apart from the Shackleton) was the >Comet, still plugging away in AWACS format with a nasty growth on its back. I think the US Air Force still have a couple flying, known to them as the B-57. Specifically, I think these are the long span high altitude version. They might still be using the EW trainer version as well. SignatureCheers, Stan Barr stanb .at. dial .dot. pipex .dot. com (Remove any digits from the addresses when mailing me.) The future was never like this! snip > Amazed to hear the the Canberra is still flying. Makes me feel almost > young. I thought the last of the oldies (apart from the Shackleton) was the > Comet, still plugging away in AWACS format with a nasty growth on its back. > > Geoff MacK The Canberra is going to be flying for a long time yet because it was just about the only high altitude long endurance aircraft around a couple of survivors were fully rebuilt yet again as high altitude electronic relay platforms to gather and pass information such as live video, elint and targeting information to and from and between units in the combat zone. The irony is the aircraft used for this vital hight tech role are some of oldest Canberras around being rebuilt many times from the original B2. In addition The RAF still have at least couple of the last new build version very special high altitude PR9 flying. It was just around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "dilbert" <24RailwayCuttings@east.cheam.co.uk> saying something like: >The Canberra is going to be flying for a long time yet because it was just >about the only high altitude long endurance aircraft around a couple of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >addition The RAF still have at least couple of the last new build version >very special high altitude PR9 flying. It must be a bit disconcerting for a young-ish pilot to realise that blokes his grandfather's age would have been the first ones to sit in the seat he currently occupies. I recall thinking this as I watched some docu on B52s. SignatureDave >>a single >>cylinder of 8 inch bore and 12 inch stroke, > > Isn't there a tractor with an engine like that? A single cylinder diesel > with a ridiculous number of CCs - several litres I think? The "Field Marshall" series. Big single-cylinder two-stroke *diesel*. You used a lighted wick screwed into a fitting in the cylinder-head to start the thing [or didn't start the thing if the weather was cold.....] >> Trevithick (?sp) produced a steam powered car too. I saw Fred Dibnah >driving >> one on a BBC2 programme not long ago. >> >I think that was a replica. Nope, it was definitely Fred... "Richard H Huelin" <allspamreported@planefacts.co.uk> realised it was Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:40:24 -0000 and decided it was time to write: >The following British makers produced steam powered cars: > >Pearson-Cox >Turner-Miesse Wasn't Miesse a Belgian company? According to my information, the Turner-Miesse was assembled under licence from Miesse of Brussels by Turner. If that's British enough, then the British-assembled Locomobile steam cars were also British, even though they were built to a completely American design by the Stanley brothers. Anyway, this is part of my territory, so I had a rummage in my library: Albany (aka Albany-Lamplough) Bolsover Chelmsford (survived from 1902 to 1905 but probably built less than a dozen cars) Fawcett-Fowler (might only have produced holes in investor's pockets...) Lifu (made plump steam carriages in very limited numbers around the turn of the century) I'm sure there's at least one other British make that produced more than a few steam cars, but I can't find it right now. SignatureY. Yippee <yippee.104@intuh.net.invalid> realised it was Wed, 10 Mar 2004 20:40:43 +0100 and decided it was time to write: >I'm sure there's at least one other British make that produced more than >a few steam cars, but I can't find it right now. Got it: Morriss - built steam cars from 1908 to 1911. SignatureY. - must organise library! > > Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic marks). > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Argyle > Arkley Not a manufacturer of cars, sold bolt-on bits to update your Spridget. > Armstrong-Siddley Siddeley? > Arrol-Aster > Arrol-Johnston > Austin-Healey > Bearmore Beardmore? > Bentley > Bond > Bristol > Brough Superior Thought that was a very wonderful bike - did they make a car? > Caterham > Chevron > Clan > Clyno > Connaught > Crosley Crossley? > BSA > Davrian > De Lorean Well.... just about Brit, I suppose, but the branchild of an American drugs dealer who managed to scam a huge amount of dosh from the Brit taxpayer and "allegedly" brought about the demise of Colin Chapman. > Diva > Elva [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Warwick > Wolseley Oh, really setting myself up here.... Just a few minor corrections to the makes above.... Geoff MacK Snip............. > > Clan > > Clyno [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Frazer-Nash > > Galloway ...Snip > > SS > > Standard [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Geoff MacK Cheers Mark, I've just been cutting and pasting other peoples lists together and deleting dupes without checking spelling. Chris > Cheers Mark, I've just been cutting and pasting other peoples lists > together and deleting dupes without checking spelling. > > Chris I haven't been keeping track. Have you got Argyll? And I don't remember seeing Horstmann (Made in Bath. Picture here http://www.thejwarrens.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/Horstmann.jpg Please download the picture before the end of March, when I will delete it to reuse the space) Jim > > Cheers Mark, I've just been cutting and pasting other peoples lists > > together and deleting dupes without checking spelling. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jim I have an Argyle is that the same? Chris > I have an Argyle is that the same? > > Chris Of course there is also the Bob Henderson made name sake > > I have an Argyle is that the same? > > > > Chris > > Of course there is also the Bob Henderson made name sake Is that the Bob Henderson of MPG&H Conversions, used to be based in Hackbridge, Surrey? He of Fish and Minnow carbs? I'd heard he had moved back to Scotland, but had wondered what happened to him. Met him in about 1964 when I wanted my ZB Magnette sorted out - he told me to junk the twin SUs and fit a single Fish. He was quite right of course but in my yooft and posing days a pair of SUs looked a lot nicer and had what I understand is now called Street Cred than a single Fish carb, even if it did have a heating coil to prevent icing. Oh, well, I was a young prat then. Now I'm an old prat. Still polishing my SUs (no laughter from the back, please). Geoff MacK On 12/03/2004 18:11, in article c2subp$99a$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk, "Geoff Mackenzie" <geoff@acsysindia.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Is that the Bob Henderson of MPG&H Conversions, used to be based in > Hackbridge, Surrey? He of Fish and Minnow carbs? I'd heard he had moved > back to Scotland, but had wondered what happened to him. That would fit. My recollection is that two people used to push Fish carbs - one was Reece of Carshalton, the other was based in Lochgilphead (by Ardrishaig). > On 12/03/2004 18:11, in article c2subp$99a$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk, "Geoff > Mackenzie" <geoff@acsysindia.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > - one was Reece of Carshalton, the other was based in Lochgilphead (by > Ardrishaig). I'd forgotten about Reece. I think he may have been the importer, possibly also modified them as some were sold as the Reece-Fish. BTW, Carshalton is only about two miles from Hackbridge so I assume Reece and Henderson knew each other either as friends or rivals. Geoff MacK > > I haven't been keeping track. Have you got Argyll? > I have an Argyle is that the same? Probably, but my spelling is correct. I have scanned a picture and caption from a book, see here http://www.thejwarrens.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/argyll.jpg Jim > > > I haven't been keeping track. Have you got Argyll? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jim What a smashing picture, I'll amend my list, thanks for that. Chris Previously, <Vq2cnSODvb9YaNHdSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk>, Chris Stubbs <news.2004@chrisstubbs.karoo.co.uk> dipped their finger in oil and wrote: Since no one else has mentioned them yet: Invicta (which might be spelled wrong, but they're in Top Gear this month :) ). Oh, and it's Jensen IIRC. Richard Signature'04 VW New Beetle Convertible - triple-black. |\ _,,,---,,_ Citroën XM Exclusive - still awaiting repairs. /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;, Toyota Sera - for sale, £2,500 ovno. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'::. Awaiting return - 306 Cabrio (due back 5/4/04) '----''(_/--' `-'\_)Morticia Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have :- AC Albion Alvis Argyle Arkley Armstrong-Siddley Arrol-Aster Arrol-Johnston Aston Martin Austin Austin-Healey B.S.A. Bearmore Bentley Bond Bristol British Salmson Brough Superior BSA Caterham Chevron Clan Clyno Connaught Crosley Daimler Davrian De Lorean Diva Elva Fairthrope Frazer Nash G.N. Galloway Ginetta Healey Hillman HRG Humber Jensen Healey Jensen Jowett Lagonda Lanchester Lea Francis Lola Lotus Mallock Marcos Midas Morgan Morris Peerless (UK) Railton Riley Rolls R Rover S.S. (Jaguar) Singer Standard Sunbeam Talbot Swallow Triumph Turner TVR Vauxhall Warick Wolseley Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? >Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have :- > >Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? Berkeley and Gilbern spring to mind immediately, and did you have Clan? SignatureAndy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/ "Who dies with the most toys wins" (Gary Barnes) In news:c2khk3$2nke$1@central.aber.ac.uk, ANDREW ROBERT BREEN <azb@aber.ac.uk> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows >> Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we >> have :- [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Berkeley and Gilbern spring to mind immediately, and did you have > Clan? Bean? SignaturePete M Alfa 164 TS, Mercedes 500 SEL, Jaguar XJ-S 3.6, Golf GTi 8v Mk2 Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain > In news:c2khk3$2nke$1@central.aber.ac.uk, > ANDREW ROBERT BREEN <azb@aber.ac.uk> decided to enlighten our sheltered [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Bean? Frisky? Ron Robinson > Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have :- > > Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? Peel ? Budgie > Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have :- > Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? Aren't Citroens assembled in Slough - or doesn't that count! Budgie > Aren't Citroens assembled in Slough - or doesn't that count! They were, from the 20s to the 60s, but they always used large amounts of French components, and were a part of the French parent, so I wouldn't say so. >> Aren't Citroens assembled in Slough - or doesn't that count! > >They were, from the 20s to the 60s, but they always used large amounts of >French components, and were a part of the French parent, so I wouldn't say >so. But the Bijou wasn't made anywhere else? >>> Aren't Citroens assembled in Slough - or doesn't that count! >>They were, from the 20s to the 60s, but they always used large amounts >>of French components, and were a part of the French parent, so I >>wouldn't say so. > But the Bijou wasn't made anywhere else? Very true - it was designed and developed here - but it's on a 2cv chassis and mechanicals, which were imported. If we go for that as a definition, then any number of coachbuilts with British bodies are "British"? http://perso.wanadoo.fr/le-tchouk/galerie_T41.htm#41131 > >>> Aren't Citroens assembled in Slough - or doesn't that count! > > >>They were, from the 20s to the 60s, but they always used large amounts > >>of French components, and were a part of the French parent, so I > >>wouldn't say so. Another CV2 UK offshoot was the still born Africar > Another CV2 UK offshoot was the still born Africar What's a "CV2"? Is it like a Robin Reliant? Or more like a Frod Scrote? The Africar didn't actually use many 2cv bits - it was mainly GSA parts. If we get into kitcars, one-offs and very low production specials, though, we're into a VERY long list, many of which have been heard of by about three people. > Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have :- [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? There are 2 letter s's in Crossley. Crosley was an American make and there was also Crosle who made racing cars but I think they were also American. This list could go on for ever when we get to companies who only produced one car (or sometimes less). There is a series of books, British Cars of the 1920's, 1930's and 1945-70 which give a fairly definitive list but no-one has dared to try a pre WW1 volume. Malcolm "Chris Stubbs" <news.2004@chrisstubbs.karoo.co.uk> realised it was Tue, 9 Mar 2004 12:58:47 -0000 and decided it was time to write: >Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? There are British car makers, still building cars today, which haven't yet been mentioned: Chesil GTM Lister Marlin Ultima Westfield Not everybody's cup of tea, but they're honest, low-volume, British car makers, still in business. And if you're prepared to count in the pure kit car manufacturers, there's a surprisingly large and ever-changing list of names that can be added. SignatureY. >Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have :- >AC [snip] >Wolseley > >Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? Berkeley Allard Clan Dellow Gilbern Gordon Keeble Sunbeam (as opposed to -Talbot) Tornado Unipower Rochdale Invicta Ogle SignatureCheers, Stan Barr stanb .at. dial .dot. pipex .dot. com (Remove any digits from the addresses when mailing me.) The future was never like this! > >Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have :- [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > The future was never like this! Cheers Stan, Gordon Keeble rings a bell with me, but I can't think why... In news:UTGdnawSI8rR0tPdSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk, Chris Stubbs <news.2004@chrisstubbs.karoo.co.uk> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows >>> Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now >>> we have :- AC [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> Invicta >> Ogle >> The future was never like this! > > Cheers Stan, Gordon Keeble rings a bell with me, but I can't think > why... used to be a Gordon Keeble GK1 round the corner from me. It was that which gave me my lustings for V8 engines.. (which reminds me, I'll have to fix the exhaust on the 500 before it sounds too good) SignaturePete M Alfa 164 TS, Mercedes 500 SEL, Jaguar XJ-S 3.6, Golf GTi 8v Mk2 Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain > In news:UTGdnawSI8rR0tPdSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk, > Chris Stubbs <news.2004@chrisstubbs.karoo.co.uk> decided to enlighten our snip > used to be a Gordon Keeble GK1 round the corner from me. It was that which > gave me my lustings for V8 engines.. A use to lust for blue one owned by a lawyer in Girvan Ayrshire back in the 70s -- bloody wonderful motor. >>In news:UTGdnawSI8rR0tPdSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk, >>Chris Stubbs <news.2004@chrisstubbs.karoo.co.uk> decided to enlighten our [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > A use to lust for blue one owned by a lawyer in Girvan Ayrshire back in the > 70s -- bloody wonderful motor. The badge, IIRC, was referred to as the fastest tortoise in the world ... >>>In news:UTGdnawSI8rR0tPdSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk, Chris Stubbs >>><news.2004@chrisstubbs.karoo.co.uk> decided to enlighten our [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The badge, IIRC, was referred to as the fastest tortoise in the world > ... The Gordon Keeble company is still in business today, but makes platics for medical use IIRC. Ciao Zak -- ======================================================================== http://www.carfolio.com/ Searchable database of 10 000+ car specs ======================================================================== > The Gordon Keeble company is still in business today, but makes platics > for medical use IIRC. Yup, I used to buy from them in the past. They sell quite a wide range of stuff for medical diagnosis. SignatureHaving problems understanding usenet? Or do you simply need help but are getting unhelpful answers? Subscribe to: uk.net.beginners for friendly advice in a flame-free environment. > Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have :- > AC [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? How about Berkeley and Gilbern ? Dave > Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? Just been holding my tongue (or keyboard) but had to chip in with poor old forgotten Allard. Also, Sunbeam should have a place distinct from Sunbeam Talbot. And a vague memory: wasn't there a Gordon Keeble? So for the benefit of people searching this thread later, here we go again. AC Albion Allard Alvis Argyle Arkley Armstrong-Siddley Arrol-Aster Arrol-Johnston Aston Martin Austin Austin-Healey B.S.A. Bearmore Bentley Bond Bristol British Salmson Brough Superior BSA Caterham Chevron Clan Clyno Connaught Crosley Daimler Davrian De Lorean Diva Elva Fairthrope Frazer Nash G.N. Galloway Ginetta Gordon-Keeble Healey Hillman HRG Humber Jensen Healey Jensen Jowett Lagonda Lanchester Lea Francis Lola Lotus Mallock Marcos Midas Morgan Morris Peerless (UK) Railton Riley Rolls R Rover S.S. (Jaguar) Singer Standard Sunbeam Sunbeam Talbot Swallow Triumph Turner TVR Vauxhall Warick Wolseley > > Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > So for the benefit of people searching this thread later, here we go again. If we go back to before WWI you can add: Aberdonia Ace Adams Adamson Albruna Alldays Arden Argyll Ariel Armstrong-Whitworth Atlanta Autocrat Aviette Baguley Beacon Bell Belsize Bentall Berkeley Bifort Brit Briton Brooke Brown Buckingham Calcott Calthorpe Carden Chambers Chater Lea Cheswold Clement Clyde Coltman Cowey Crescent Crossley Crouch Carrette Crowdy Cumbria Cummikar D.L. D.M.C Day-Leeds Deasy Deemster Dennis De P. Dewcar Dodson Douglas Eagle Enfield Ensign Eric Fergus Forest Foy Steele G.N. G.W.K. Gilyard Girling Globe Gordon Hampton Hillman Horstmann Hurlincar Invicta Iris J.B.S. Jackson James & Brown Jennings Kennedy Knight Junior KnightofRoad L.E.C. L.M. Lawton Lotis Lucar Marshall-Arter Matchless Maudsley Maxim Medea Melen Mendip Meteor Meteorite Monarch N.B. Napier Newey New Hudson New Imperial New Pick Norma Ogston Old Mill P.D.A. P.M.C. Paragon Pearson-Cox Perry Phoenix Pilgrim Pilot Premier Pyramid Raleigh Ranger Rational Rex Rollo Rothwel Rudge Salmon Scout Sherwyn Sheffield Simplex Sirron Stag Star Stellite Stoneleigh Straker Squire Surridge Swift Talbot Taunton Thames Thornycroft Tiny Turner-Miesse Turner Twenie Tyseley Universal V.A.L. Valveless Victor Vox Vulcan Wall Warne Warren-Lambert Waverley Whitlock Wilkinson Williamson Wilton Winco Wingfield Withers Wolseley-Siddeley Woodrow > > > Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Aberdonia > Ace Big Snip................. > Wilton > Winco > Wingfield > Withers > Wolseley-Siddeley > Woodrow Fantastic, Thanks for that Richard. Have we got Deesley yet ? it rings a bell in dust corner of my memory > Have we got Deesley yet ? it rings a bell in dust corner of my memory It does have a familiar ring, but I can find no information at all on the subject in any reference books I have to hand. >> Have we got Deesley yet ? it rings a bell in dust corner of my > memory > > It does have a familiar ring, but I can find no information at all on > the subject in any reference books I have to hand. Deasly? Definitely a British make. Ciao Zak -- ======================================================================== http://www.carfolio.com/ Searchable database of 10 000+ car specs ======================================================================== snip > > It does have a familiar ring, but I can find no information at all on > > the subject in any reference books I have to hand. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Zak Have we got Brush (made by Brush electrical) , and Star (later became Rover). On 11/03/2004 00:54, in article c2od5v$t2l$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net, "Zak McGregor" <zak@mighty.co.za> wrote: > Deasly? Definitely a British make. Deasy, made 1906-1911, Coventry. Captain H.H.P. Deasy took J.D. Siddeley on in 1909, and Siddeley-Deasys eventually morphed into Armstrong-Siddeleys. The relationships between the various component companies made Sunbeam-Talbot-Darracq look simple. > On 11/03/2004 00:54, in article c2od5v$t2l$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net, "Zak > McGregor" <zak@mighty.co.za> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The relationships between the various component companies made > Sunbeam-Talbot-Darracq look simple. The Deasy is Definatly on the next list, thanks for that Chris >>Have we got Deesley yet ? it rings a bell in dust corner of my > > memory > > It does have a familiar ring, but I can find no information at all on > the subject in any reference books I have to hand. What about Facksimile? Julian Fack would no doubt be horrified if his trials-cars were left out of any list of British marques. > > > Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > If we go back to before WWI you can add: ---snip---- Dudgeon. Geoff MacK > > > Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > If we go back to before WWI you can add: ===snip---- I think some of those were pre WW2, not 1. Straker Squire, for example. Anybody mentioned Bean, and the (not very) Swift? Geoff MacK > > > > Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? > > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I think some of those were pre WW2, not 1. Straker Squire, for example. The WWI list was taken from The Motor Car Red Book of 1916. I guess if you pick any year some will have ceased, and others will have started production. >If we go back to before WWI you can add: > >Aberdonia [snip] >Woodrow So long as we're getting into obscurities, Rodley* Were Tamplin and Bedelia British? * Someone once said it boggled the mind that anything so awful as the Rodley could ever be offered for sale to the public :-) SignatureCheers, Stan Barr stanb .at. dial .dot. pipex .dot. com (Remove any digits from the addresses when mailing me.) The future was never like this! > >If we go back to before WWI you can add: > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Were Tamplin and Bedelia British? The Bedelia was French, I have no information on the Tamplin. >> >If we go back to before WWI you can add: >> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >The Bedelia was French, I have no information on the Tamplin. I used to know an (English) girl called Bedelia which is why I remembered the name... For Tamplin (and other wooden wonders) see: http://www.oldwoodies.com/gallery-cyclecars.htm Marvellous site! SignatureCheers, Stan Barr stanb .at. dial .dot. pipex .dot. com (Remove any digits from the addresses when mailing me.) The future was never like this! On 10/03/2004 18:48, in article 1078944505.27570.0@iris.uk.clara.net, > The Bedelia was French, I have no information on the Tamplin. Tamplins were made 1912-1927, initially in Staines, later in Cheam. Designer was Captain Carden, who made cyclecars under his own name pre-WWI. > >If we go back to before WWI you can add: > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Rodley could ever be offered for sale to the public :-) > -- Oh, surely, the various Fairthorpes (Electron, Zeta, Torix Tripper etc) were even worse? Thought for a new thread - worst car ever - I'd start with the AC Petite, which was described in its time as "an invalid carriage for the non-invalid". Geoff MacK >> * Someone once said it boggled the mind that anything so awful as the >> Rodley could ever be offered for sale to the public :-) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >which was described in its time as "an invalid carriage for the >non-invalid". I think I'd still vote for the Rodley...google turned up: http://www.motorbase.com/manufacturer/by-id/94 The mere thought of a 750 side-valve JAP V-twin in the back of a flimsy enclosed car gives me a headache :-) SignatureCheers, Stan Barr stanb .at. dial .dot. pipex .dot. com (Remove any digits from the addresses when mailing me.) The future was never like this! > Thought for a new thread - worst car ever - I'd start with the AC Petite, > which was described in its time as "an invalid carriage for the > non-invalid". Any British Leyland Budgie In news:c2t7ad$20c29g$1@ID-139783.news.uni-berlin.de, Budgie <pju@hotpop.com> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows >> Thought for a new thread - worst car ever - I'd start with the AC >> Petite, which was described in its time as "an invalid carriage for >> the non-invalid". > > Any British Leyland Rover SD1 V8-S, Range Rover, Jaguar XJ12, Rover P5B, Dolomite Sprint, I'd not class any of them as the worst car ever, I'd class them as some of the best British cars ever. Worst cars ever in my humble opinion? The Nissan Stanza, Vauxhall Belmont, Triumph Acclaim, Alfa 33 or anything (Non Mercedes or very late BMW) with a diesel engine in qualifies in my book. When it comes to newer stuff, the Daewoo Nexia is awful, but the big Hyundai saloon thing runs it close. SignaturePete M Alfa 164 TS, Mercedes 500 SEL, Jaguar XJ-S 3.6, Golf GTi 8v Mk2 Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain > > Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Albion > Allard Snip............ > TVR > Vauxhall > Warick > Wolseley Chip away and thanks for the updated list. Chris >Caterham >Lotus Where's Westfield, then? >>Caterham > >>Lotus > >Where's Westfield, then? Or Siva (sp?) (Dorset built in Blandford Forum by Mick Saunders & another whose name I've forgotten). They built vehicles based on Ford side valve chassis & engines (the Dr Who car), plus a Mercedes look alike based on the VW beetle chassis and engine and a Mini Moke type Mini engine powered car (had a test drive with Mick in the prototype based on a 1275 Cooper S engine - scary). Richard pnenina@epbyr.bet (ROT13 to e-mail me directly). See http://www.caravanningnow.co.uk for most things to do with caravanning. SignatureEnd-of-file on communication channel - Programmers epitaph - (for Oracle users - Graham Bailey) > Or Siva (sp?) (Dorset built in Blandford Forum by Mick Saunders & > another whose name I've forgotten). They built vehicles based on > Ford side valve chassis & engines (the Dr Who car), plus a > Mercedes look alike based on the VW beetle chassis and engine and > a Mini Moke type Mini engine powered car (had a test drive with > Mick in the prototype based on a 1275 Cooper S engine - scary). See http://www.minimarcos.org.uk/altpics/ for pics of the Siva Moonbug and Siva Mule amongst other Mini derivatives. I'd like a better picture of a Mule so if anyone would like to submit one please do. I did ask Filby for a pic of his but I haven't had a reply! I might see it at a show some time. SignatureRichard Porter Mail to username ricp at domain minijem.plus.com "You can't have Windows without pains." > > Or Siva (sp?) (Dorset built in Blandford Forum by Mick Saunders & > > another whose name I've forgotten). They built vehicles based on [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -- Just for the record, the SIVA as used in Dr Who was allegedly an acronym for "Slightly Improbable Veteran Automobile". Geoff MacK >Just for the record, the SIVA as used in Dr Who was allegedly an acronym for >"Slightly Improbable Veteran Automobile". Geoff Knowing Mick, you're probably right (despite his suggestions at the time that it was named after the Indian Goddess). Richard pnenina@epbyr.bet (ROT13 to e-mail me directly). See http://www.caravanningnow.co.uk for most things to do with caravanning. SignatureIn the sure and certain hope of a re-boot - Programmers epitaph - (Bob Foreman) > > > Or Siva (sp?) (Dorset built in Blandford Forum by Mick Saunders & > > > another whose name I've forgotten). They built vehicles based on [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > See http://www.minimarcos.org.uk/altpics/ for pics of the Siva Moonbug > > and Siva Mule amongst other Mini derivatives. I'd like a better picture And of course the Lamba -- Imp based cross country >Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have :- >AC [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > >Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? You've forgotten Land Rover. Alex > >Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have :- > > You've forgotten Land Rover. > > Alex Did Dodge assemble cars from CKD kits in the UK prior to WW2 ? On that reminds me we better add Chrysler (UK) to the list as the 180 is now almost extinct (thank goodness !) >Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have :- >AC [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Arkley >Armstrong-Siddley Armstrong-Siddeley >Arrol-Aster >Arrol-Johnston [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >B.S.A. >Bearmore Beardmore >Bentley >Bond [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Connaught >Crosley Crossley; Crosley was an unrelated American marque. >Daimler >Davrian >De Lorean >Diva >Elva >Fairthrope Fairthorpe >Frazer Nash >G.N. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >Vauxhall >Warick Warwick >Wolseley > >Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? Allard Alldays & Onions Deasy Enfield Horstman Leyland Meadows MG Napier Reliant Sheffield Simplex Star Siddeley Siddeley-Deasy Straker-Squire Squire Sunbeam Swift Talbot Trident Trojan Unipower Vulcan SignatureRegards Leroy Curtis Please replace "nospam" with "baram" in my address if you wish to reply by Email > >Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have :- Snip................... > >Vauxhall > >Warick [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Alldays & Onions > Deasy .................................... > Unipower > Vulcan [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Please replace "nospam" with "baram" in my address if you wish to > reply by Email Thanks Leroy Alldays and Onions ? you've got to be joking? >Alldays and Onions ? you've got to be joking? Amazingly, no. There really was a make at the turn of the last century with that name. The company was founded in the mid 17th century, and in the guise of Alldays, Peacock & Co Ltd, still exists and is engaged in the production of industrial fans in Weston-super-Mare. For a potted history, see <www.apco1650.demon.co.uk/history.htm> SignatureRegards Leroy Curtis Please replace "nospam" with "baram" in my address if you wish to reply by Email > > >Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have > :- [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Alldays and Onions ? you've got to be joking? No, see my previous post. Was very successful in its day. Huge factory. I think near Glasgow but not sure. Was Noble included in your list? (have deleted old posts). Geoff MacK BTW, thanks for starting such an interesting thread. > BTW, thanks for starting such an interesting thread. Agreed. Woke up a few lurkers - including me! Budgie > > > >Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we Snip > > Alldays and Onions ? you've got to be joking? > > No, see my previous post. Was very successful in its day. Huge factory. I > think near Glasgow but not sure. They also built Motor Cycles and Commercial vehicles. Alldays & Onions Pneumatic Engineering Co., Ltd Matchless Works Birmingham and 58 Holborn Viaduct, E.C. In the information I have they claim to have been established in 1650 (sixteen-fifty) *not a typo* I have quite a few adverts from the early motoring days, if I eventually find the time I might cobble up something like my early Aviation Advert site, which can be found here: http://www.planefacts.co.uk/world_war_one/ Snip................. > > Alldays and Onions ? you've got to be joking? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > BTW, thanks for starting such an interesting thread. Yes, I have the mighty Noble. Have posted what looks like the current list this morning. I amazed by the amount of knowledge shown by people here, I'm glad people seem to enjoy the thread. (Trying hard to keep up with all the information myself) Chris > >Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have :- > Alldays & Onions Trivia point - am I right in thinking this was the only Scottish car ever? (forget about Hillman Imps etc assembled in my homeland). Geoff MacK >> >Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have >:- [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Trivia point - am I right in thinking this was the only Scottish car ever? >(forget about Hillman Imps etc assembled in my homeland). Argyll? David Betts (davidb@motorsport.org.uk) The Classic Car Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=17830847103&n=398038677 > >> >Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have > >:- [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Argyll? Oh, bugger - should have thought of that. Thanks. Geoff MacK : > Argyll? : > : Oh, bugger - should have thought of that. Thanks. I live about seven miles from the Galloway car factory. Maybe I've missed too much thread, but there was aslo Arroll-Johnston. And weren't Beardmore's scottish? Ian > : > Argyll? > : > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Ian Covered right at the start --- including Arrol-Aster --- old Sir William Arrol very nearly became the major player in the UK car industry, one of my grandfathers was his driver. Which reminds me Beardmore became the first "car" in antartica on the Shackelton expidition --- but it turned out they didn't know enough about brittle failure of metals at sub zero temperatures. -- Bearmore put a lot of money backing Shackleton hence the Bearmore Glacier > > >Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have > :- [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Geoff MacK Zillions of Scottish makes in the first half of the twentieth century Apart from "he 3 As" (Argyle, Arrol-Johnston, Albion) I alredy listed Arrol-Astor, Galloway, Bearmore all of which sold in quite large volumes, Beardmore in particular had a very large slice of the London taxi market until the Austim FX3 becamedomminant. >Zillions of Scottish makes in the first half of the twentieth century > >Apart from "he 3 As" (Argyle, Arrol-Johnston, Albion) I alredy listed >Arrol-Astor, Galloway, Bearmore all of which sold in quite large volumes, >Beardmore in particular had a very large slice of the London taxi market >until the Austim FX3 becamedomminant. AC for a while with the 3000ME, of course. Has anyone mentioned the Clan Crusader? David Betts (davidb@motorsport.org.uk) The Classic Car Gallery: http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=17830847103&n=398038677 >>Zillions of Scottish makes in the first half of the twentieth century >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >AC for a while with the 3000ME, of course. Has anyone mentioned the >Clan Crusader? Me, but that wasn't Scotland (unless during its second incarnation). Clan were based in Washington, Co. Durham - surely the only car maker of which that could be said.. SignatureAndy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/ "Time has stopped, says the Black Lion clock and eternity has begun" (Dylan Thomas) > In article <or8050hs69vutuafr0667k3nba781sn2gi@4ax.com>, snip> Me, but that wasn't Scotland (unless during its second incarnation). > Clan were based in Washington, Co. Durham - surely the only car maker of > which that could be said.. Never built in Scotland 2nd or was it 3rd incarnation was Irish, as strangely was the stillborn-reborn Davrian mainly due to the availability of idustrial development grant money acroos the Irish sea, I think the Davrian rights may have been sold to the same entrapeneur. I seem to remember the name McCoy was connected with one or both cars. >> In article <or8050hs69vutuafr0667k3nba781sn2gi@4ax.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Davrian rights may have been sold to the same entrapeneur. I seem to >remember the name McCoy was connected with one or both cars. Davrian is now Darrian, and they're certainly just outside Llangybi near Lampeter. SignatureAndy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/ "Time has stopped, says the Black Lion clock and eternity has begun" (Dylan Thomas) snip > Davrian is now Darrian, and they're certainly just outside Llangybi > near Lampeter. > > -- > Andy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group After the collapse of Davrian in Lampeter the rights to Davrian name and MK8 design rights were sold to the Nothern Irish outfit. Tim Duffee was the practical half of Davrian (the other half being original designer the very talented late Adrian Evans) set up Darrian to build rally cars. The although a shorter wheelbase Darrian borrows an awful lot from the various mid engined competition versions of the Davrian MK8 but is really a marque in it own right. > > Clan were based in Washington, Co. Durham - surely the only car maker of > > which that could be said.. > > ... I think the Davrian rights may have been sold to the same > entrapeneur. I seem to remember the name McCoy was connected with one > or both cars. The McCoy is a redesigned Clan Crusader with a Mini lump at the front instead of an Imp one at the back. SignatureRichard Porter Mail to username ricp at domain minijem.plus.com "You can't have Windows without pains." > > > Clan were based in Washington, Co. Durham - surely the only car maker of > > > which that could be said.. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The McCoy is a redesigned Clan Crusader with a Mini lump at the front > instead of an Imp one at the back. Must go like hell backwards. (Sorry, bad day). Geoff MacK > Clan were based in Washington, Co. Durham - surely the only car maker > of which that could be said.. Maybe, but there was Kingfisher in Rothbury, Northumberland, and FRA Engineering hang out around Newcastle-upon-Tyne. Magenta was based at Lealholm, in a former engine shed on the Esk Valley line. SignatureRichard Porter Mail to username ricp at domain minijem.plus.com "You can't have Windows without pains." >> >Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have > >> Alldays & Onions > >Trivia point - am I right in thinking this was the only Scottish car ever? >(forget about Hillman Imps etc assembled in my homeland). Argyll was another one, and Albion may have made cars at one point too. Then there was AC-Ecosse for a (very) short while in the late 80s(?), and I'm sure there was another sports car manufacturer in the 70s as well, but I'm nuggered if I can remember the name. SignatureAndy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/ "Time has stopped, says the Black Lion clock and eternity has begun" (Dylan Thomas) >> >Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have >:- [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Trivia point - am I right in thinking this was the only Scottish car ever? >(forget about Hillman Imps etc assembled in my homeland). Argyll, Albion and Arroll-Johnston were Scottish. Alldays and Onions were built in Birmingham. SignatureRegards Leroy Curtis Please replace "nospam" with "baram" in my address if you wish to reply by Email >Thanks everyone for the response, so (as far as I can recon) now we have :- >AC [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > >Any one know of any others (or have I missed one from the messages? Allard, ABC, Swift, Star, Alta, Berkeley, Buckler, Calcott, Cooper, Dellow, Gordon Keeble, Keift, Reliant, Raleigh, Briton, and zillions of others. Look at clubs, motorbase, back copies of The Automobile and Motor Sport, Sedgwick's books, etc. Let us know what you come up with! NGB Thank Everyone sofar ---- here we go again for those who have lost count AC Albion Allard Alldays & Onions Alvis Argyle Ariel Arkley Armstrong-Siddeley Arrol-Aster Arrol-Johnston Aston Martin Austin Austin-Healey B.S.A. Bean Beardmore Bentley Berkeley Bond Bristol British Salmson Brough Superior BSA Caterham Chesil Chevron Clan Clyno Connaught Crossley Daimler Davrian De Lorean Deasy Dellow Diva Elva Enfield Fairthorpe Frazer Nash Frisky G.N. Galloway Gilbern Ginetta Gordon-Keeble GTM Healey Hillman Horstman HRG Humber Invicta Jaguar Jensen Jensen Healey Jowett Lagonda Lanchester Land Rover Lea Francis Leyland Lister Lola Lotus Mallock Marcos Marlin Meadows MG Midas Morgan Morris Napier Noble Ogle Peel Peerless (UK) Railton Reliant Riley Rochdale Rolls R Rover S.S. (Jaguar) Sheffield Simplex Siddeley Siddeley-Deasy Singer Squire Standard Star Straker-Squire Sunbeam Sunbeam Talbot Swallow Swift Talbot Tornado Trident Triumph Trojan Turner TVR Ultima Unipower Vanden Plas Vauxhall Vulcan Warwick Westfield Wolseley (oh, and 'sinclair' if I must) This is excluding some racing makes The pre WW1 list which is going further than I had wished but is here for reference provided by Richard H Huelin Aberdonia Ace Adams Adamson Albruna Alldays Arden Argyll Ariel Armstrong-Whitworth Atlanta Autocrat Aviette Baguley Beacon Bell Belsize Bentall Berkeley Bifort Brit Briton Brooke Brown Buckingham Calcott Calthorpe Carden Chambers Chater Lea Cheswold Clement Clyde Coltman Cowey Crescent Crossley Crouch Carrette Crowdy Cumbria Cummikar D.L. D.M.C Day-Leeds Deasy Deemster Dennis De P. Dewcar Dodson Douglas Eagle Enfield Ensign Eric Fergus Forest Foy Steele G.N. G.W.K. Gilyard Girling Globe Gordon Hampton Hillman Horstmann Hurlincar Invicta Iris J.B.S. Jackson James & Brown Jennings Kennedy Knight Junior KnightofRoad L.E.C. L.M. Lawton Lotis Lucar Marshall-Arter Matchless Maudsley Maxim Medea Melen Mendip Meteor Meteorite Monarch N.B. Napier Newey New Hudson New Imperial New Pick Norma Ogston Old Mill P.D.A. P.M.C. Paragon Pearson-Cox Perry Phoenix Pilgrim Pilot Premier Pyramid Raleigh Ranger Rational Rex Rollo Rothwel Rudge Salmon Scout Sherwyn Sheffield Simplex Sirron Stag Star Stellite Stoneleigh Straker Squire Surridge Swift Talbot Taunton Thames Thornycroft Tiny Turner-Miesse Turner Twenie Tyseley Universal V.A.L. Valveless Victor Vox Vulcan Wall Warne Warren-Lambert Waverley Whitlock Wilkinson Williamson Wilton Winco Wingfield Withers Wolseley-Siddeley Woodrow > Thank Everyone sofar ---- here we go again for those who have lost > count [snip] Still missing a number of important (IMHO) ones.... Vale Valveless Marendaz LMB ABC Panther needs to be there too I reckon. Despite some cringeworthy efforts like the Lima, Rio and 6, there was the rather good Solo2. Costin was a marque in its own right too, even if only a handful of cars were produced. Ciao Zak -- ======================================================================== http://www.carfolio.com/ Searchable database of 10 000+ car specs ======================================================================== > Thank Everyone sofar ---- here we go again for those who have lost count > > AC AJS Snip H.E. > Healey Snip > Mallock If you are including Mallock you probably ought to list Terrier (Len Terry's idea of what a Lotus 7 ought to be) > Tornado Snip > (oh, and 'sinclair' if I must) > This is excluding some racing makes [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Aberdonia Snip MMC >Paragon Payne & Bates Snip Ron Robinson > > Thank Everyone sofar ---- here we go again for those who have lost count Harrier. Very few built, probably 1985-ish. Road-going version had the Alfa V6. One raced at Le Mans with a Cosworth engine - not sure which one. Another one was powered by two (Yamaha?) bike engines put together as a V8. Produced around 300bhp at some 'orrible amount of revs. Geoff MacK 'Twas Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:55:17 -0000, when "Chris Stubbs" <news.2004@chrisstubbs.karoo.co.uk> decided to declare: >Thank Everyone sofar ---- here we go again for those who have lost count (snip) >Mallock >Marcos [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Morgan >Morris Marauder - made Rover-based sports cars and was set up by a coupe of ex-Rover directors (?) Del Hi Does anyone know if there was a 'Metropolitan' make (perhaps something to do with Rover?), and someone mentioned they may be a Deesley. Does anyone know anything about those? Chris > Hi > Does anyone know if there was a 'Metropolitan' make (perhaps something to do > with Rover?), and someone mentioned they may be a Deesley. Does anyone > know anything about those? > > Chris Metropolitan was made by BMC based on Austin A30/A40 bits mainly for export to the USA west coast -- best forgotten about the ultimate "hair dressers car" most were painted barbie pink and white, however when it didn't sell in the expected numbers Colin Chapam bought a job lot of rear axles off BMC and used them to build early Lotus Sevens. > Hi > Does anyone know if there was a 'Metropolitan' make (perhaps something to do > with Rover?), and someone mentioned they may be a Deesley. Does anyone > know anything about those? > > Chris Are you thinking of the Austin Metropolitan? It looked a bit like the Standard Pennant. Jim >Hi >Does anyone know if there was a 'Metropolitan' make (perhaps something to do >with Rover?), and someone mentioned they may be a Deesley. Does anyone >know anything about those? Wasn't that Nash originally, then Austin? SignatureCheers, Stan Barr stanb .at. dial .dot. pipex .dot. com (Remove any digits from the addresses when mailing me.) The future was never like this! >>Hi >>Does anyone know if there was a 'Metropolitan' make (perhaps something to do >>with Rover?), and someone mentioned they may be a Deesley. Does anyone >>know anything about those? > >Wasn't that Nash originally, then Austin? Initially assembled by Austin, to a Nash design, for sale in the US only by Nash and Hudson dealers under their own respective badging. When AMC discontinued the Nash and Hudson names to concentrate on Rambler, it became simply the Metropolitan. It eventually went on sale in the UK as a Metropolitan, and IIRC was never badged as an Austin. SignatureRegards Leroy Curtis Please replace "nospam" with "baram" in my address if you wish to reply by Email > It eventually went on sale in the UK as > a Metropolitan, and IIRC was never badged as an Austin. I'm sure it was on my insurance claim when I hit one with a motorbike in 1967 or 68 Budgie > > It eventually went on sale in the UK as > > a Metropolitan, and IIRC was never badged as an Austin. > > I'm sure it was on my insurance claim when I hit one with a motorbike in > 1967 or 68 Quote from "The Cars of BMC" by Graham Robson. "The right-hand-drive car announced in April 1957, was to be called simply a Metropolitan 1500. As far as is known, it was never badged as an Austin, even though there were Austin chassis plates and engine markings), although most people came to call it by that name". Another source "Glass's Car Check Book 1946-1960 lists the Metropolitan as a separate make to Austin. From the same 1946-60 source a few more British makers, (one or two need more research to establish if they were British) Apologies if they have already been mentioned. Berkeley Bristol Connaught (racing cars only?) Champion (might be a rebadged Heinkel only listed for 1953/4) Dellow Fairthorpe (produced principally in kit form) Frazer-Nash (Also listed Frazer Six & Manhatton 6cy 3706 cc most likely not British) Frisky Gill Getabout H.R.G. Healey Lloyd (Not the German one) Marauder Paramount Peerless Princess Swallow Doretti Turner >>>It eventually went on sale in the UK as >>>a Metropolitan, and IIRC was never badged as an Austin. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > more research to esthttp://www.boatloft.co.za/gsm.htmablish if they were British) Apologies if they have > already been mentioned. What about GSM - a [South African?] design by a guy called Bon Niekerk [I may not have the spellinng right] - 2-seater kit-cars usually using recycled Ford flathead engines [100E?]. See http://www.boatloft.co.za/gsm.htm I'm sure I've seen at least one of these in the UK. > What about GSM - a [South African?] design by a guy called Bon Niekerk > [I may not have the spellinng right] - 2-seater kit-cars usually using > recycled Ford flathead engines [100E?]. Bob van Niekerk. The Flamingo had a V8 Ford unti, a la Sunbeam Tiger 260. > See http://www.boatloft.co.za/gsm.htm > > I'm sure I've seen at least one of these in the UK. At some stage GSM moved olperations to the UK. I think they moved back to South Africa again afterwards though. Ciao Zak -- ======================================================================== http://www.carfolio.com/ Searchable database of 10 000+ car specs ======================================================================== > > What about GSM - a [South African?] design by a guy called Bon Niekerk > > [I may not have the spellinng right] - 2-seater kit-cars usually using [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Ciao Sorry, may have missed earlier threads, but there was a GSM Delta in the late sixties based around (I think) the Anglia mechanicals. Very pretty open two seater, rather better than the usual plastic kit cars of that time. Geoff MacK > Paramount Still going, as a coachbuilder for Jaguar "specials". The Paramount XKR is much nicer than the Jaguar version. Very subtle re-working that makes the car sleeker and rather reminiscent of the DB9. SignatureHaving problems understanding usenet? Or do you simply need help but are getting unhelpful answers? Subscribe to: uk.net.beginners for friendly advice in a flame-free environment. >>Paramount > > Still going, as a coachbuilder for Jaguar "specials". The Paramount XKR > is much nicer than the Jaguar version. Very subtle re-working that makes > the car sleeker and rather reminiscent of the DB9. On the subject of Jaguar specials, conversions, etc, we might add Lynx to the list. Only ever saw a couple, but still thing the Eventer the best looking of the XJS derivatives > From the same 1946-60 source a few more British makers, (one or two need > more research to establish if they were British) Apologies if they have > already been mentioned. > > Dellow The one time I came across this name, the car was being advertised as a Ford Dellow. Perhaps, like the Austin Metropolitan, there is a difference between reality and common usage? Jim > > From the same 1946-60 source a few more British makers, (one or two need > > more research to establish if they were British) Apologies if they have [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Perhaps, like the Austin Metropolitan, there is a difference between reality > and common usage? The Dellow was introduced as a trials model in January 1950. Power was provided by the 1172cc side valve engine as fitted to the Ford 100E series. Production continued until March 1959 with various modifications and upgraded versions of the same power unit. The Dellow was produced by: Dellow Eng. Co Ltd. Albert Street Oldbury Worcs. Signaturehttp://www.tractordata.co.uk/ > > From the same 1946-60 source a few more British makers, (one or two need > > more research to establish if they were British) Apologies if they have [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jim IIRC the Dellow was a two-seater mudplugger designed for trials, and had the Ford 1172 engine. A friend at the time had a roadgoing version, and all I can remember is that it had a carb and fuel strainer on the outside of the RH bonnet. You could watch the juice slurping up. The car was almost as quick as a ruptured tortoise, and not as pretty. Geoff MacK > Hi > Does anyone know if there was a 'Metropolitan' make (perhaps something to do > with Rover?), and someone mentioned they may be a Deesley. Does anyone > know anything about those? > > Chris Nash Metropolitan. Sort of bath tub with an A40 engine. Mainly sold to gullible GIs stuck here after the War. That's WW2 for younger readers. Point 2 - vaguely remember a Siddeley-Deasley, but not much else about it. Geoff MacK One of the subthreads here referred to Leyland cars. Thought this might interest some of you with deep pockets http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2466734133&category=2192 > One of the subthreads here referred to Leyland cars. > > Thought this might interest some of you with deep pockets > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2466734133&category=2192 Co-incidence or what !!! > One of the subthreads here referred to Leyland cars. > > Thought this might interest some of you with deep pockets > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2466734133 Leaving everything else aside, have you *EVER* seen a more hideous steering wheel? > One of the subthreads here referred to Leyland cars. > > Thought this might interest some of you with deep pockets http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2466734133&category=219 2 Looks quite modern. Never heard of it, although there was a Leyland Eight in the late twenties/early thirties. Didn't Parry Thomas campaign one? Geoff MacK >> One of the subthreads here referred to Leyland cars. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Looks quite modern. The Australian subsidiary of British Leyland built this car, based on their P76 saloon. The P76 was Leyland Australia's only totally unique design; the engine was a 4.4-litre version of the ubiquitous Rover V8, but the rest of the car had nothing in common with any BL design. Everything else BMC/BL's Australian subsidiary built was either CKD or a local adaptation of a BMC or BL design. > Never heard of it, although there was a Leyland Eight >in the late twenties/early thirties. >Didn't Parry Thomas campaign one? He designed the Leyland Eight and raced one. SignatureRegards Leroy Curtis Please replace "nospam" with "baram" in my address if you wish to reply by Email snip > Everything else BMC/BL's Australian subsidiary built was either CKD or a > local adaptation of a BMC or BL design. Having seen underneath one I can vouch for the fact the P76 was straight out of the SD1/Tr8 parts bin. >snip >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Having seen underneath one I can vouch for the fact the P76 was straight out >of the SD1/Tr8 parts bin. Well, I can't claim to have inspected one; in fact I've only ever seen one, which used to live somewhere in north-west London during the early 1980s, but I'm surprised that you say that, since production of the P76 ceased more than a year before either the SD1 or the TR7 were launched. SignatureRegards Leroy Curtis Please replace "nospam" with "baram" in my address if you wish to reply by Email Previously, <eMRXuXn0D4UAFw5L@baram.demon.co.uk>, Leroy Curtis <leroy@nospam.demon.co.uk> dipped their finger in oil and wrote: >Well, I can't claim to have inspected one; in fact I've only ever seen >one, which used to live somewhere in north-west London during the early >1980s, but I'm surprised that you say that, since production of the P76 >ceased more than a year before either the SD1 or the TR7 were launched. It's probably fair to say that the SD1 or TR7 owe something to Leyland Australia, or some intellectual property was shared ;) Richard Signature'04 VW New Beetle Convertible - triple-black. |\ _,,,---,,_ Citroën XM Exclusive - still awaiting repairs. /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;, Toyota Sera - for sale, £2,500 ovno. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'::. Awaiting return - 306 Cabrio (due back 5/4/04) '----''(_/--' `-'\_)Morticia > Previously, <eMRXuXn0D4UAFw5L@baram.demon.co.uk>, Leroy Curtis > It's probably fair to say that the SD1 or TR7 owe something to Leyland > Australia, or some intellectual property was shared ;) > > Richard Pay back time for the Dardenelles ? Previously, <5xmORmir40UAFwfM@baram.demon.co.uk>, Leroy Curtis <leroy@nospam.demon.co.uk> dipped their finger in oil and wrote: >The Australian subsidiary of British Leyland built this car, based on >their P76 saloon. The P76 was Leyland Australia's only totally unique >design; the engine was a 4.4-litre version of the ubiquitous Rover V8, >but the rest of the car had nothing in common with any BL design. As soon as you mentioned P76, I had to look. I've seen that car featured in various places in the past, and by god, I want it. It is the ultimate car for me... Moreso than a Delorean. Richard Signature'04 VW New Beetle Convertible - triple-black. |\ _,,,---,,_ Citroën XM Exclusive - still awaiting repairs. /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;, Toyota Sera - for sale, £2,500 ovno. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'::. Awaiting return - 306 Cabrio (due back 5/4/04) '----''(_/--' `-'\_)Morticia Hi, It seems no one remembers the Britannia, there where 2 independant companies with that name, the first company existed before WW1 and the second company with the same name during fifties and sixties and made GRP bodied cars with straight Zephyr6 or Essex V6 engines. It was an article about the later Britannia make in a classic car magazine CC & T sometimes during the seventis that made me interested in english sportscars, I didn't find a Britannia, (they are probably very rare) so I bought a TVR 3000M instead, (also described in the same magazine) Regards Hans > Thank Everyone sofar ---- here we go again for those who have lost count > [quoted text clipped - 277 lines] > Wolseley-Siddeley > Woodrow > Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic marks). Have we got Costin ? > > Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic marks). > > Have we got Costin ? Didn't Rudge also produce a car ? > > > Does anyone fave a full list of BRITISH makes of cars (Classic marks). > > > > Have we got Costin ? > > Didn't Rudge also produce a car ? And Harrington (not the US one) but as in Harrington Alpine Have we included Nissan, of Sunderland fame? Budgie |
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