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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / Classic Cars (UK group) / March 2004H120 Sunbeam Rapier FOR SALE
For Sale ?1250 no time wasters please. H120 Gold Sunbeam Rapier. This car has been dry stored 10yrs or so and does of course need some work but nothing that is too terrible or difficult, just does require time and a bit of skill. I have not got that time anymore due to other pressures in life but do not want to see this Classic just die. So if you feel that you like this Classic as I did then as they say money talks but don't waste time by trying to beat me down on price cause the engine would go very well into a kit car for the same price as it is a twin weber Holbay engine that runs lovely. You will require a trailer as no tax or mot and is very near Heatrow Airport. Thanking for taking your time in reading this. > For Sale ?1250 no time wasters please. H120 Gold Sunbeam Rapier. This car > has been dry stored 10yrs or so and does of course need some work but [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Airport. > Thanking for taking your time in reading this. Sorry but 1250 is very strong money even for a street legal arrow of any sort. For a non runner or one needing work you'd be lookibng at 800 tops. Who in there right mind would put a cast iron push rod lump of dubious Rottes provenance in a kit car (even with an ally head and webers) when a Rover V8 is 250 quid and an AJ6 can be had for a ton? Not to mention all the dohc Fiat/Alfa stuff...Even a B series is a better prospect...at least u can get all the bits.. Dream on brother or are you a troll? Jonners > Sorry but 1250 is very strong money even for a street legal arrow of any > sort. > For a non runner or one needing work you'd be lookibng at 800 tops. PC puts an H120 at 2900, 1450, 600. So I'd guess the 1250 is pitched at just below condition two level - which of course should have an MOT. Personally, I'd not consider any car to be above condition 3 without a valid genuine MOT - unless exceptional and actually owned and stored by say a non driving widow, etc. An MOT is easy to get and cheap if the car is capable of passing. If it's not, it's not worth condition two money.  Signature*What boots up must come down * Dave Plowman dave.sound@argonet.co.uk London SW 12 RIP Acorn > > Sorry but 1250 is very strong money even for a street legal arrow of any > > sort. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > An MOT is easy to get and cheap if the car is capable of passing. If it's > not, it's not worth condition two money. As usual Dave I agree with most of what u say but this is described as a non mot long time standing car with a working engine isnt it? So I stand by my comments and have to say that PC valuations are worth very little....some they get badly wrong and some they get near enough right. There are so few arrows around nowadays and even fewer arrow buyers that its hard to value them. I wouldnt even buy in an immaculate one for more than a grand....to sell it on agian would take a year and maybe earn a monkey. I can think of better uses for a slot.... Jonners >> For Sale £1250 no time wasters please. H120 Gold Sunbeam Rapier. This car >> has been dry stored 10yrs or so and does of course need some work but [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >Dream on brother or are you a troll? >Jonners Agree with all of that, with the possible exception of the bit about the B series. ;o) snip > Who in there right mind would put a cast iron push rod lump of dubious > Rottes provenance [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Dream on brother or are you a troll? > Jonners The H120/Hunter GLS was bloody quick -- the BHP figures were somewhat more real those that claimed for the Cortina Lotus, the H120 also had a very nice semi closer ratio gerabox with overdrive. As I have said often what kills the arrow range is rot in the vertical seam between the inner wings and the bulkhead -- a buyer spotting any rust there should just say polite no. Rot anywhere else (within reason) can be fixed as the structure is simple to work on compared to say Morris Minor. But for 1250 smackeroonies I would expect condition 2 or better with a very long MOT. > The H120/Hunter GLS was bloody quick -- the BHP figures were somewhat more > real those that claimed for the Cortina Lotus, the H120 also had a very > nice semi closer ratio gerabox with overdrive. As I have said often what > kills the arrow range is rot in the vertical seam between the inner wings > and the bulkhead -- a buyer spotting any rust there should just say polite > no. It did sound good like any car with twin webers but its hard to mess that up really. Guess it drowned out the thrash of that cast iron pushrod lump. IIRC autocar road tests had it at about 5 mph quicker at the top end over the twin stromberg version...so 15 bhp up? Still sub 110 too....and about 9.5 to 60? The Lotus cortina was IIRC around 8 to 60 and at least 115. Conetemporoary burn outs with my own Dolly Sprint v GLS hunter saw the Hunter serioulsy in the rear view mirror...When I drove it it felt quick but then in the real world it was all mouth (induction roar) and no trousers while the Sprint just disappeared in to the sunset....so that tends to go with the Autocar numbers. (Sprint was 8,5 ish and 116 mph) Never diced with a lotus cortina but the expereince of track car boys is that the lotus 'Tina if well sorted is not to be messed with...and will give a stock Sprint a good run. Jonners > > The H120/Hunter GLS was bloody quick -- the BHP figures were somewhat more > > real those that claimed for the Cortina Lotus, the H120 also had a very [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > while the Sprint just disappeared in to the sunset....so that tends to go > with the Autocar numbers. (Sprint was 8,5 ish and 116 mph) Interestingly in group 1 and production saloon racing the Hunter had a very successful track record winning championships in both classes, on the tighter circuits they could beat the 3 litre Capris, just staying in the laters rear view mirror until the Capri ran out of brakes. > Never diced with a lotus cortina but the expereince of track car boys is > that the lotus 'Tina if well sorted is not to be messed with...and will give > a stock Sprint a good run. It fairy well known that a "good" ordinary production Lotus Twincam turned out about 92 bhp in standard form and 102 in SE form, Chapman tend to over claim, in addition Lotus were expose as fitting tuned engine to road test cars. Ford played along because in truth the non SE Cortina Lotus was really no faster than the GT. More than one owner of a bog standard Cortina Lotus was highly embarassed by being unable to blow off a standard Cortina GT. All Lotus engine tuners were forced in to simply adding the gains due to thier mods to the power claimed by Lotus, so a Vegatune fast road engine probably put out a shade over 120 bhp some what less than the advertised 136. > Jonners |
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