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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / Driving (UK group) / June 2005

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abman51@gmail.com - 13 Jun 2005 15:18 GMT
Anyone familiar with Burnt Tree Island in the West Midlands? Nasty
little, tight island with lots and lots of usage and with 5 exits too,
I've never seen it have an 'easy period', it really needs lane markings
on the island itself and possibly traffic lights at peak times.

Anyway I was going right (4th exit) from the right-most lane of the 3
available, I know from this point of the island alot of people also do
a U-turn and comeback on themselves (5th exit), so I was going to do
the usual routine of following them then peeling off to the right hand
lane of my exit.

Reason I do this is because on this Island if it looks like you are
heading for the right hand lane of an exit people shoot-off and dive
down your inside (first exit for them) into the left lane because it
takes an age to find a gap of any kind.

Anyway I set off from the right lane and a Punto sets off at the same
time from the middle lane, as we enter he forces me very close to the
inside and we are wheel to wheel, as we go past the 3rd exit I indicate
left in a vain hope that he's heading my way, which wouldn't have
really been a problem. However still penneing me close to the Island,
he drives straight past the 4th exit I decide to avoid any unseemly
business, I ease on the brakes and let him brush past me and dive down
the righthand lane of my exit. So Mr.Punto decided to use the middle
lane to drive nearly all the way round the Island and comeback on
himself, while penning me to the inside, while I correctly try and use
the right hand lane to turn right.

Any thoughts or tips on this?
iakobski - 13 Jun 2005 15:41 GMT
>> Any thoughts or tips on this?

Round Peterborough way, 50% of drivers think it's normal to use the
left-hand entry lane to take the last exit or all-the-way-round.

>> as we go past the 3rd exit I indicate left

Would have confused most of the drivers round here - they think you
should still be indicating right as you come off a roundabout. On the
larger roundabouts, they must have to re-apply the right signal as they
are coming off, because the self-cancel will have cancelled them.
MrBitsy - 13 Jun 2005 16:08 GMT
abman51@gmail.com wrote in news:1118672281.685289.60250
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:

> Anyone familiar with Burnt Tree Island in the West Midlands? Nasty
> little, tight island with lots and lots of usage and with 5 exits too,
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>
> Any thoughts or tips on this?

Yes.

Why the hell didn't you just let him get ahead of you to stop any
incident developing?

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abman51@gmail.com - 13 Jun 2005 16:33 GMT
> > Any thoughts or tips on this?
>
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> --
> MrBitsy

When I said I was any tips/hints, I was inviting myself to criticsim
because as a fairly new-ish driver, I can learn from these things.

We weren't whirling round the roundabout at great speed and yes
eventually I did have to let him go past me so I could take my exit.
MrBitsy - 13 Jun 2005 17:01 GMT
abman51@gmail.com wrote in news:1118676831.367575.68230
@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

>> > Any thoughts or tips on this?
>>
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> When I said I was any tips/hints, I was inviting myself to criticsim
> because as a fairly new-ish driver, I can learn from these things.

Understood.

Best course of action was to let the other car ahead of you - its never
good to run alongside someone - even if your in the right?

> We weren't whirling round the roundabout at great speed and yes
> eventually I did have to let him go past me so I could take my exit.

You were describing several times how he had you pinned to the inside -
don't leave yourself open to mistakes by others just because you are in
the right. Always think of the safest way to deal with all situations,
but if you find a situation developing, GET OUT OF IT as soon as you can.

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Ian.usenet@talk21.com - 22 Jun 2005 13:26 GMT
> Best course of action was to let the other car ahead of you - its never
> good to run alongside someone - even if your in the right?

>From the thread "Courtesy really has gone too far":

"I was travelling north on the A1 last night (Sunday 23). I was
approaching
an entry slip just north of the Hatfield junction when I noticed a car
on
the entry slip. Quite early on it became apparent our speeds would see
us
close at the end of the slip.

I checked behind and the road was completely clear, so I decided to see
what the actions of the other driver would be if I maintained my
position
in lane 1"

Now, I wonder who the poster of that message was?

Ian
MrBitsy - 23 Jun 2005 09:20 GMT
Ian.usenet@talk21.com wrote in news:1119443196.945183.206040
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

>> Best course of action was to let the other car ahead of you - its never
>> good to run alongside someone - even if your in the right?
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>
> Now, I wonder who the poster of that message was?

Yep, that was a really good demonstration to my son that you can't
position the car purely on your right to be there. A little different to
someone putting themselves alongside another vehicle totally oblivious to
the consequences.

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Steve Pearce - 13 Jun 2005 16:08 GMT
>Anyone familiar with Burnt Tree Island in the West Midlands? Nasty
>little, tight island with lots and lots of usage and with 5 exits too,
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
>Any thoughts or tips on this?

Exiting from the 3rd lane doesn't sound like a great strategy to me.
If the road you are exiting into has two lanes (I assume) then I would
expect that:

    Lane 1: would always exit
    Lane 2: could exit or not
    Lane 3: would never exit

This sounds like the roundabout above M4 J11, if I am taking the last
exit I start in lane 3 but switch to lane 2 or lane 1 before my exit
as the traffic allows.
Craig - 13 Jun 2005 17:50 GMT
> Anyone familiar with Burnt Tree Island in the West Midlands? Nasty
> little, tight island with lots and lots of usage and with 5 exits too,
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Any thoughts or tips on this?

The Punto was an idiot.

I hate it when drivers take the second exit of a roundabout,  and are in the
outisde of the roundabout (correct) and a driver who wants take the third
exit, takes the inside of the roundabout, they leave together. The driver
taking the secod exit, then suddenly drifts into the inside lane, forcing to
brake. This has happened to me.
MrBitsy - 14 Jun 2005 12:07 GMT
"Craig" <c.j.davies@bitnternet.com> wrote in news:d8kdh8$1bs$1
@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com:

>> Any thoughts or tips on this?
>
> The Punto was an idiot.

Maybe the Punto driver just made a mistake, not appreciating the danger of
being alongside another vehicle?

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Chris Bartram - 13 Jun 2005 17:51 GMT
> Anyone familiar with Burnt Tree Island in the West Midlands? Nasty

I have to say, yes, I am familiar with it, and it's horrible :-). Small,
fast, and heavily used. You need your wits about you.
T. - 13 Jun 2005 21:12 GMT
> Anyway I set off from the right lane and a Punto sets off at the same
> time from the middle lane, as we enter he forces me very close to the
> inside and we are wheel to wheel, as we go past the 3rd exit I indicate
>
> Any thoughts or tips on this?

Ease off and let him ahead.

Even on other types of driving (think: carriageways) it's good to never
have a car beside you - it loses you an exit route in the case of emergency.
Martin Dixon - 19 Jun 2005 10:27 GMT
>> Anyway I set off from the right lane and a Punto sets off at the same
>> time from the middle lane, as we enter he forces me very close to the
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> Even on other types of driving (think: carriageways) it's good to never
> have a car beside you - it loses you an exit route in the case of emergency.

I had a similar masty one the other day.  Three lane roundabout with
traffic lights.  Basically a crossroads (4 exits).  I was going
straight on and took the middle lane.  Road marking suffegted traffic
turning right should take the right lane, traffic going left the left
lane, or traffic going straight on either the left or middle lane.

Sat out the lights, then pulled away going straight ahead.  Alongside
to my right, the diver suddenly signalled left and pulled over to take
the straight on exit,, seemingly oblivious to the fact that I was
alongside him.  I had to swerve into the left lane to avoid a
collision, knowing that there was nobody alongside me but didn't have
time to check my mirror for somebody in that lane gaining on me from
behind.  I accelerated hard just to be sure, I don't think the guy to
my right even saw me!

Martin

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SimonJ - 19 Jun 2005 14:18 GMT
> Sat out the lights, then pulled away going straight ahead.  Alongside
> to my right, the diver suddenly signalled left and pulled over to take
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> behind.  I accelerated hard just to be sure, I don't think the guy to
> my right even saw me!

It was probably the snorkel and goggles that reduced his visibility.
 
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