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Uno Hoo! - 11 Nov 2005 11:24 GMT
The survey also revealed how:

 a.. More than half of UK motorists have not checked their tyre pressure in
the last month
 b.. One in five people never check the tread depth of their tyres
 c.. 40% of motorists don't know what the legal tread depth limit is
 d.. 8 out of 10 people didn't know that the penalty for driving on a tyre
below the legal tread depth is 3 penalty points plus a fine of up to £2,500
per tyre
 e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres should be
inflated to
Launched by Michael Schumacher at the British Grand Prix, the Think Before
You Drive campaign urges all motorists to think about their tyres before
getting back into their cars.

Indeed - it's worrying to think that so many motorists are driving around
with tyres that are probably under-inflated and unacceptably worn!

Kev
DanTXD - 11 Nov 2005 12:03 GMT
> The survey also revealed how:
>
>  a.. More than half of UK motorists have not checked their tyre pressure
> in the last month

Heh - i don't think i've ever checked mine :-)

>  b.. One in five people never check the tread depth of their tyres

Nope, not done that yet.

>  c.. 40% of motorists don't know what the legal tread depth limit is

I could probably find out if i could be arsed to check them.

>  d.. 8 out of 10 people didn't know that the penalty for driving on a tyre
> below the legal tread depth is 3 penalty points plus a fine of up to
> £2,500 per tyre

Knew about the points, didn't know about the fine.

>  e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres should be
> inflated to

Guess at about 30?  31?

> Launched by Michael Schumacher at the British Grand Prix, the Think Before
> You Drive campaign urges all motorists to think about their tyres before
> getting back into their cars.

It'll be right.

> Indeed - it's worrying to think that so many motorists are driving around
> with tyres that are probably under-inflated and unacceptably worn!

Almost certainly.

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bobtwatgob@hotmail.com - 11 Nov 2005 12:21 GMT
> >  e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres should be
> > inflated to
>
> Guess at about 30?  31?

Uhm it's different for all cars, and back tyres are normally a few psi
more than front.
Cessna172 - 11 Nov 2005 12:30 GMT
>> >  e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres
>> >  should be
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Uhm it's different for all cars, and back tyres are normally a few psi
> more than front.

Isn't that the other way around?

My Galant is 32 back, 30 front.

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Ian - 11 Nov 2005 12:59 GMT
"Cessna172"  wrote in message ...
> bobtwatgob@hotmail.com wrote in
:
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>
> My Galant is 32 back, 30 front.

That is what he said, more back than front. I can't understand the problem
with knowing the correct tyre pressure. All of my recent cars have had a
sticker either on the driver's door pillar or next to the petrol filler with
the pressures. The only problem is that you need an accurate pressure gauge
to check the tyres. Some digital ones are now available that include a tread
depth indicator too. I understand that checking the tyres is now part of the
driving test, about time too.

Ian
Cessna172 - 11 Nov 2005 13:53 GMT
"Ian" <if.ptnospam@nospamtesco.net> wrote in news:2B0df.13451$Ua6.7067
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>>> Uhm it's different for all cars, and back tyres are normally a few psi
>>> more than front.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> That is what he said, more back than front.

Oh ruddy hell, I wrote it back to front!!

My Galant is 32 front and 30 back!

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Sean - 12 Nov 2005 09:49 GMT
<snip </snip>
I understand that checking the tyres is now
> part of the driving test, about time too.

Like that makes a difference!  Up until I took my driving test, I never saw
anyone check their tyre pressure.  So after I took mine and got my own car,
it wasn't something I really thought about ... until I noticed one of my
tyres looked a little flat, and I discovered I was driving around with it
at 10psi!

That gave me the motivation to check regularly, and since then, I have never
had anyone in front of me in the queue at Tesco, even though there can be
massive queues for fuel.

Sean
NeedforSwede2 - 11 Nov 2005 13:17 GMT
> >> >  e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres
> >> >  should be
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> My Galant is 32 back, 30 front.

Depends.
Saab Hatchbacks which are FWD Psuedo estate cars always specified higher
pressures at the rear, although they do have large rear axle overhangs.
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Pooh Bear - 12 Nov 2005 00:07 GMT
> > >> >  e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres
> > >> >  should be
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> Saab Hatchbacks which are FWD Psuedo estate cars always specified higher
> pressures at the rear, although they do have large rear axle overhangs.

Not on the 9000 Carl.

Graham
NeedforSwede2 - 14 Nov 2005 11:22 GMT
> > > >> >  e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres
> > > >> >  should be
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>
> Graham

Oh right, never owed one.
However, If I sell the cab, I may.
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David Taylor - 11 Nov 2005 17:49 GMT
Cessna172 <ray.keattch@pants.com> wrote on Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:30:14 +0000:

>> Uhm it's different for all cars, and back tyres are normally a few psi
>> more than front.
>
> Isn't that the other way around?
>
> My Galant is 32 back, 30 front.

My Fiesta manual recommends:

normal loading: 32 front, 26 back
fully loaded: 35 front, 38 back

Or something along those lines.

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Conor - 11 Nov 2005 14:19 GMT
> > >  e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres should be
> > > inflated to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Uhm it's different for all cars, and back tyres are normally a few psi
> more than front.

REally? My Rover is the other way round.

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Ian Johnston - 11 Nov 2005 15:17 GMT
> My Rover is the other way round.

My VW Camper was - from memory - 28psi front, 44psi back. Guess where
the weight is ...

Ian
Michael Cotton - 11 Nov 2005 15:10 GMT
>back tyres are normally a few psi
> more than front.

My Current car is 32psi all round. Previous car was 30psi all round. Guess
it depends on size/weight of the car as to whether there is a difference
between front and rear pressures?

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Mike G - 11 Nov 2005 15:24 GMT
> > >  e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres should be
> > > inflated to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Uhm it's different for all cars, and back tyres are normally a few psi
> more than front.

IME it can also be different if you use tyres other than the make and type
specified by the manufacturers.
I experiment with tyre pressures, until I find a pressure that suits the car
and the way I drive. I seldom finish up with the same pressures as those
recommended.
Mike.
DervMan - 13 Nov 2005 10:31 GMT
>> >  e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres should be
>> > inflated to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Uhm it's different for all cars, and back tyres are normally a few psi
> more than front.

Normally?  On all of mine they've had a lower quoted pressure...

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Martin Dixon - 13 Nov 2005 23:21 GMT
>> The survey also revealed how:
>>
>>  a.. More than half of UK motorists have not checked their tyre pressure
>> in the last month
>
> Heh - i don't think i've ever checked mine :-)

Well, you need a car that does it for you!.. My car does, and a couple
of weeks ago she complained about low tyre pressures until I checked
and corrected them.

The downside is that you need to go to a franchised dealer for new
tyres or puncture repairs.

Martin

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DanTXD - 14 Nov 2005 00:25 GMT
>>> The survey also revealed how:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Martin

Its off for its first proper service in another 8500 miles - the garage will
probably check them.

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Craig Davies - 11 Nov 2005 17:19 GMT
> The survey also revealed how:
>
>   a.. More than half of UK motorists have not checked their tyre pressure in
> the last month
Last checked mine last week

>   b.. One in five people never check the tread depth of their tyres
Last month checked lucky I ddi it was on 2mm (front driver tyre)

>   c.. 40% of motorists don't know what the legal tread depth limit is
Fools

>   d.. 8 out of 10 people didn't know that the penalty for driving on a tyre
> below the legal tread depth is 3 penalty points plus a fine of up to £2,500
> per tyre
I didnt know that

>   e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres should be
> inflated to
I have a sticker on the side of my door, so that tells me

> Launched by Michael Schumacher at the British Grand Prix, the Think Before
> You Drive campaign urges all motorists to think about their tyres before
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Kev
Graculus - 11 Nov 2005 17:29 GMT
>>   d.. 8 out of 10 people didn't know that the penalty for driving on a
> tyre
>> below the legal tread depth is 3 penalty points plus a fine of up to
> £2,500
>> per tyre
> I didnt know that

And neither do you need to. Why should you know the penalty for a crime you
have no intention of committing?
Craig Davies - 11 Nov 2005 20:00 GMT
> >>   d.. 8 out of 10 people didn't know that the penalty for driving on a
> > tyre
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> And neither do you need to. Why should you know the penalty for a crime you
> have no intention of committing?

Excatly, anyway i knew about the points but the fine didnt know, anyway with
the justice these days it will prob be more like £250 inc court costs, cause
they practically let a drink driver off who has ran someone down and killed
them.
Ian Dalziel - 11 Nov 2005 20:25 GMT
>>   b.. One in five people never check the tread depth of their tyres
>Last month checked lucky I ddi it was on 2mm (front driver tyre)
>
>>   c.. 40% of motorists don't know what the legal tread depth limit is
>Fools

I can't remember what the legal tread depth limit is - nor do I care.
I want tread on my tyres, not patterns! There's far too little grip in
the wet for me *long* before they approach the limit.Two f.cking
millimetres? Do you ever LOOK at your car?
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JNugent - 12 Nov 2005 12:52 GMT
"Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel@lineone.net> wrote...

>>>   c.. 40% of motorists don't know what the legal tread depth limit is
>>Fools

> I can't remember what the legal tread depth limit is - nor do I care.
> I want tread on my tyres, not patterns! There's far too little grip in
> the wet for me *long* before they approach the limit.Two f.cking
> millimetres? Do you ever LOOK at your car?

How often do tyres wear out these days?

When I started driving, X-plys were the norm - and lasted about a year of
average mileage. Today's modern radials, with better construction and even
cheaper in real terms than the old X-plys were, last for bloomin' years.

My car (bought new in March 2000) has only ever had five new tyres (one of
those was only due to damage when I couldn't stop fast enough on a motorway
after a fast puncture) - in 127,000 miles.
Ian - 12 Nov 2005 19:03 GMT
"JNugent"  wrote in message

> How often do tyres wear out these days?
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> those was only due to damage when I couldn't stop fast enough on a
> motorway after a fast puncture) - in 127,000 miles.

I find the opposite with modern cars. When I had a 1999 Hyundai Atoz the
front tyres lasted about 10k. The rears seemed to never wear. The 2003 Merc
A Class looks like it might manage 20k on the fronts, and again there is
little wear on the rears. The 1993 Shogun is about the same.

Until I bought the Shogun in 93 I can't remember ever buying a new tyre for
a car in nearly 30 years of motoring. I remember that motorcycle tyres used
to last for years on the front, but only about 8k on the rear.

Ian
Uno Hoo! - 13 Nov 2005 12:30 GMT
> "JNugent"  wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> for a car in nearly 30 years of motoring. I remember that motorcycle tyres
> used to last for years on the front, but only about 8k on the rear.

Front wheel drive has a lot to answer for. The tyres on a Vx Omega I had a
few years ago seemed to last forever - but the car was RWD of course. The
majority of new cars are FWD and using the front wheels to both steer and
pull the car along accelerates wear.

Kev
DervMan - 13 Nov 2005 17:14 GMT
>> "JNugent"  wrote in message
>>>
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> majority of new cars are FWD and using the front wheels to both steer and
> pull the car along accelerates wear.

I'm sorry but it's hardly rocket science, though, is it?  With RWD, all four
tend to wear out at once.  One pair push, one pair steer.  All four pull.

Drive something gently on wide wheels and you'll tend to improve tyre
longevity.  Again not rocket science.

With front wheel drive, one pair does the pushing, much of the pulling and
all of the steering.  They wear out quicker.  Maybe twice as long as the
rears, which by the way tend to outlive the rears of a RWD.

Our anticipated front tyre wear for the Ka is difficult to estimate because
track days throw the wear rate about a bit :) but we look to go through 1mm
of tread every 5,000 to 6,000 miles up front and somewhere around 11,000
miles per millimetre at the back.  So from 8mm to 3mm gives me around 25,000
to 30,000 miles at the front and 55,000 at the back.

When the fronts are down to 3mm it's time to finish them off at a track day.
:)

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Uno Hoo! - 13 Nov 2005 18:46 GMT
>>> "JNugent"  wrote in message
>>>>
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> When the fronts are down to 3mm it's time to finish them off at a track
> day. :)

I have just ordered two replacement front tyres for my 75 Tourer from Black
Circles (on-line). A mobile fitter is coming to fit them on Tuesday morning.
The existing tyres are original fit Dunlop SP3000's. (215/55 R16) they have
achieved just 18k - although they would probably last a further couple of
thou before becoming illegal. I have found that to be about average for
large front wheel drive cars.

Kev
DervMan - 14 Nov 2005 07:12 GMT
[snip]

> I have just ordered two replacement front tyres for my 75 Tourer from
> Black Circles (on-line). A mobile fitter is coming to fit them on Tuesday
> morning. The existing tyres are original fit Dunlop SP3000's. (215/55 R16)
> they have achieved just 18k - although they would probably last a further
> couple of thou before becoming illegal. I have found that to be about
> average for large front wheel drive cars.

Something doesn't seem right... almost all of our fleet cars managed nearly
twice that on rear booties.

What's your front tyre wear like?

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DanTXD - 14 Nov 2005 09:50 GMT
> [snip]
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> What's your front tyre wear like?

He's talking about front tyres isn't he?  I'm only guessing like, because he
said "I have just ordered two replacement front tyres"

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Uno Hoo! - 14 Nov 2005 15:41 GMT
> [snip]
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> What's your front tyre wear like?

It's fine - the front nearside developed a little more extreme shoulder wear
than the offside front - but this is to be expected because of camber lean
and roundabout wear. I swapped the front wheels around six months ago to
even that out. Apart from that the wear is very even across the width of
both tyres.  I don't drive my cars hard but most of my recent FWD cars have
worn out their front tyres between 17 and 20 thou.

Kev
Peter - 11 Nov 2005 18:45 GMT
> The survey also revealed how:
>
>   a.. More than half of UK motorists have not checked their tyre pressure in
> the last month

Wow, I thought less than half checked their tyres yearly.  Everybody
else in my family seem to check the tyres maybe once a year.

>   b.. One in five people never check the tread depth of their tyres

My tyres are brand new.

>   c.. 40% of motorists don't know what the legal tread depth limit is

Nope,  I wasn't certain until it was asked in my IAM test, but I was
only out by 0.1mm.

>   d.. 8 out of 10 people didn't know that the penalty for driving on a tyre
> below the legal tread depth is 3 penalty points plus a fine of up to £2,500
> per tyre

I don't, and I don't care because I don't plan to drive with faulty
tyres.  The risks of a failure are far greater than the costs of a
fine.

>   e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres should be
> inflated to

I don't need to know, my handbook tells me what they are.

> Launched by Michael Schumacher at the British Grand Prix, the Think Before
> You Drive campaign urges all motorists to think about their tyres before
> getting back into their cars.
>
> Indeed - it's worrying to think that so many motorists are driving around
> with tyres that are probably under-inflated and unacceptably worn!

I'm not supprised!
Harry Bloomfield - 11 Nov 2005 23:14 GMT
Peter explained :
>>    e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres should be
>> inflated to
>
> I don't need to know, my handbook tells me what they are.

I drive too many vehicles to remember the settings for each, so I type
a quick reference list of the vitals for each - which I then keep handy
in the vehicle plus a copy in the workshop manual.

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Phillip Kyle - 12 Nov 2005 21:41 GMT
> Peter explained :
>>>    e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres should
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> a quick reference list of the vitals for each - which I then keep handy
> in the vehicle plus a copy in the workshop manual.

This guy is allowed out on his own.

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Big Dave - 13 Nov 2005 08:06 GMT
> > Peter explained :
> >>>    e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> This guy is allowed out on his own.

No. He spends too much time in his shed.
With the spiders.

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Peter Parsnip - 13 Nov 2005 10:09 GMT
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Nov 2005...

>> > Peter explained :
>> >>>    e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> No. He spends too much time in his shed.
> With the spiders.

I wonder if he abuses them for sexual pleasure.

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Uno Hoo! - 13 Nov 2005 12:28 GMT
>> > Peter explained :
>> >>>    e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> > type a quick reference list of the vitals for each - which I then
>> > keep handy in the vehicle plus a copy in the workshop manual.

Whenever I get a new car I just print out things like tyre pressures, wheel
nut torque, etc on Dymo tape and stick them just inside the driver's door
opening. Save's having to leaf through the handbook every time you forget
the correct tyre pressures, etc.

Kev
Phillip Kyle - 13 Nov 2005 16:42 GMT
>> > Peter explained :
>> >>>    e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> No. He spends too much time in his shed.
> With the spiders.

No, not the spiders!

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Peter Parsnip - 13 Nov 2005 10:24 GMT
Be still! and revere Harry Bloomfield, who blessed us with their presence
on 11 Nov 2005...

> I drive too many vehicles to remember the settings for each, so I type
> a quick reference list of the vitals for each - which I then keep handy
> in the vehicle plus a copy in the workshop manual.

Hmmm. This seems rather obsessive.

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Phillip Kyle - 13 Nov 2005 16:43 GMT
> Be still! and revere Harry Bloomfield, who blessed us with their
> presence on 11 Nov 2005...
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>
> Hmmm. This seems rather obsessive.

I use my memory instead. I know, it's crazy.

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DervMan - 13 Nov 2005 17:14 GMT
>> Be still! and revere Harry Bloomfield, who blessed us with their
>> presence on 11 Nov 2005...
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>
> I use my memory instead. I know, it's crazy.

That'll never catch on! :)

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>>> Be still! and revere Harry Bloomfield, who blessed us with their
>>> presence on 11 Nov 2005...
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> That'll never catch on! :)

Memory is so overrated.

I say, memory is so overrated.

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> Be still! and revere DervMan, who blessed us with their presence on 13
> Nov 2005...
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>
> I say, memory is so overrated.

Who the hell are you?

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Baron P. Parsnip of Formaldehyde - 14 Nov 2005 22:22 GMT
Be still! and revere Phillip Kyle, who blessed us with their presence on 14
Nov 2005...

>> Be still! and revere DervMan, who blessed us with their presence on 13
>> Nov 2005...
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>
> Who the hell are you?

I am... some guy. Yes. That is true.

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> Be still! and revere Phillip Kyle, who blessed us with their presence on
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Hmm this reminds me of something.

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JH - 14 Nov 2005 16:46 GMT
>Be still! and revere Harry Bloomfield, who blessed us with their presence
>on 11 Nov 2005...
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>
>Hmmm. This seems rather obsessive.

Why not paint pressure on each vehicle wing like what the squaddies do?

J.
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Be still! and revere JH, who blessed us with their presence on 14 Nov
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>>Be still! and revere Harry Bloomfield, who blessed us with their
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>
> Why not paint pressure on each vehicle wing like what the squaddies do?

I thought you were either JK or JF from demon.local then. My apologies.

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Phillip Kyle - 14 Nov 2005 23:21 GMT
> Be still! and revere JH, who blessed us with their presence on 14 Nov
> 2005...
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>
> I thought you were either JK or JF from demon.local then. My apologies.

Steady on, he might sue for emotional trauma.

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Baron P. Parsnip of Formaldehyde - 15 Nov 2005 09:10 GMT
Be still! and revere Phillip Kyle, who blessed us with their presence on 14
Nov 2005...

>> Be still! and revere JH, who blessed us with their presence on 14 Nov
>> 2005...
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>
> Steady on, he might sue for emotional trauma.

I'll be the one doing the suing, son. I thought they haced returned, and
they haven't. So now I am mightily disappointed.

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Sean - 12 Nov 2005 09:56 GMT
>> The survey also revealed how:
>>
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> only out by 0.1mm.
><snip >

In the NI standard driving test it is one of the questions you can be asked
in the practical (as opposed to all the questions you can be asked in the
theory test).  Is this not the same in the rest of the UK?

Sean
Mike Connally - 11 Nov 2005 19:28 GMT
> Indeed - it's worrying to think that so many motorists are driving around
> with tyres that are probably under-inflated and unacceptably worn!

But as long as they don't 'speed' then they're
perfectly safe.  Message courtesy HMG & HM Police.

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Graculus - 11 Nov 2005 20:42 GMT
>> Indeed - it's worrying to think that so many motorists are driving around
>> with tyres that are probably under-inflated and unacceptably worn!
>
> But as long as they don't 'speed' then they're
> perfectly safe.  Message courtesy HMG & HM Police.

You mean Tony's Pet Police, don't you? Or is it the Police's pet Tony?
JNugent - 12 Nov 2005 12:46 GMT
"Uno Hoo!" <kevlunn@DROPTHISbigfoot.com> wrote...

> The survey also revealed how:
>  a.. More than half of UK motorists have not checked their tyre pressure
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> You Drive campaign urges all motorists to think about their tyres before
> getting back into their cars.

> Indeed - it's worrying to think that so many motorists are driving around
> with tyres that are probably under-inflated and unacceptably worn!

I remember a time when the concensus among less-affluent motorists (the sort
who had to have a push-start every morning in the winter because they
couldn't afford a new battery) was that the intended effect of the C&U regs
was to prevent them from having a car. And I had a certain amount of
sympathy for that view, particularly as (from observation) only a minority
of accidents involve vehicle faults - most are caused by careless or drunken
driving. Of course, nowadays being the sort of person who can afford a set
of new tyres - or a new battery - at the drop of a credit card, I suppose I
can see the point (even if I still don't entirely sympathise with it).
GeoffC - 13 Nov 2005 09:13 GMT
>And I had a certain amount of sympathy for that view, particularly as (from
> observation) only a minority of accidents involve vehicle faults -
> most are caused by careless or drunken driving.

Whilst that might be the case in absolute terms, I would imagine that a
considerable proportion of accidents could have been avoided/reduced in
severity, had one or more of the vehicles not been driving with
worn/incorrectly inflated tyres and/or worn shock absorbers. At the end of
the day, an increase in braking distance of 2m could make all the difference
:).

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Geoff
DervMan - 13 Nov 2005 10:31 GMT
>>And I had a certain amount of sympathy for that view, particularly as
>>(from
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> the day, an increase in braking distance of 2m could make all the
> difference :).

Yes all of the above is relevant, but so too is a slap around the face with
some common sense.

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JNugent - 12 Nov 2005 12:47 GMT
> The survey also revealed how:
>  a.. More than half of UK motorists have not checked their tyre pressure
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> You Drive campaign urges all motorists to think about their tyres before
> getting back into their cars.

> Indeed - it's worrying to think that so many motorists are driving around
> with tyres that are probably under-inflated and unacceptably worn!
> Kev

Dear me, you're easily frightened, aren't you?
Knight Of The Road - 12 Nov 2005 14:35 GMT
>  e.. Only half of UK motorists know what pressure their tyres should be
> inflated to

A rather scary 115 psi on the truck.

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DervMan - 13 Nov 2005 10:31 GMT
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> Indeed - it's worrying to think that so many motorists are driving around
> with tyres that are probably under-inflated and unacceptably worn!

And this surprises you how?  It doesn't surprise me.

One of the residents drove around for five months with the bonnet on the
catch, neither open nor shut.

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