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Sat-nav users should take extra care in Sheffield, you could be taking one route while the device is going by another. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/4796656.stm City sat nav thefts up by 2,000% Thefts of satellite navigation systems from vehicles in Sheffield have increased by 2,000% in 12 months. Police said there had been a "huge leap" in the number of thefts as drivers ignored repeated warnings not to leave the devices on show. Det Supt John Parr said more than 300 systems had been stolen from vehicles in Sheffield this year, compared with seven during the same period in 2005. "If you leave your sat nav device on display you will get it stolen." So far this year the overall number of thefts from a vehicle in Sheffield has risen by 48%, from 4,245 offences to 8,165. South Yorkshire Police said it was trying to combat the problem, by leaving bogus vehicles parked in crime hot spots, and several arrests had been made. > Sat-nav users should take extra care in Sheffield, you could be > taking one route while the device is going by another. impossible. my satnav (tomtom) runs on my phone http://snipurl.com/nh9i so wherever I go, it goes. especially if I'm using memory map 1:25000 scale maps on an afternoons hill walk http://snipurl.com/nh9k tomtom (an electronic map) to get me to my destination, memory map (also an electronic map) to guide me whilst I'm there. anyone who thinks /maps/ are /toys/ really does need to have a quiet word with themselves ;-) hth >> Sat-nav users should take extra care in Sheffield, you could be >> taking one route while the device is going by another. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > thinks /maps/ are /toys/ really does need to have a quiet word with > themselves ;-) Ooooh look, it's that Mr Smug chap agin. >>> Sat-nav users should take extra care in Sheffield, you could be >>> taking one route while the device is going by another. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Ooooh look, it's that Mr Smug chap agin. "Someone who admits that he needs all those toys and gadgets" in brimstones world (or should that be flintstones world) maps are toys and telephones are gadgets. thanks for letting us all know what you think about technology you dont actually own ! "ned flintstone" take a bow LOL "Brimstone" <brimstone@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dv0ni7$smp$1 @nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com: >>> Sat-nav users should take extra care in Sheffield, you could be >>> taking one route while the device is going by another. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Ooooh look, it's that Mr Smug chap agin. On Saturday I used my Pocket PC for navigation from Elstree to Gloucester in the air (Pocket FMS). On Sunday, I used it with road navigation software (co-Pilot) to get me from Welwyn Garden City Herts, to Wye in Kent. I then loaded up Memory-Map OS 1:50000 OS maps to navigate around an eleven mile walk. I then used C-Pilot again to road navigate to the mother-in-law. Why anyone may be anti electronic nav, is beyond me.  SignatureCessna172 > "Brimstone" <brimstone@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dv0ni7$smp$1 > @nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Why anyone may be anti electronic nav, is beyond me. there's no evidence that brimstone even has a car so no wonder he doesn't see the benefits of having in car (or aircraft) satnav. plus, he already knows where the pub is and how to get there from the bath. > On Saturday I used my Pocket PC for navigation from Elstree to > Gloucester in the air (Pocket FMS). On Sunday, I used it with road > navigation software (co-Pilot) to get me from Welwyn Garden City > Herts, to Wye in Kent. I then loaded up Memory-Map OS 1:50000 OS maps > to navigate around an eleven mile walk. I then used C-Pilot again to > road navigate to the mother-in-law. > Why anyone may be anti electronic nav, is beyond me. I'm not. What I am against is the increasing reliance on them, Don't you KNOW where your mother-in-law lives by now? <looks up where Wye is> Piece of piss, surely? There's about four junctions to remember by the look of it. Yes, "in the air" is a different issue - because there aren't roadsigns. >> On Saturday I used my Pocket PC for navigation from Elstree to >> Gloucester in the air (Pocket FMS). On Sunday, I used it with road [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'm not. What I am against is the increasing reliance on them, Don't > you KNOW where your mother-in-law lives by now? Yes, but I have not driven there from the village of Wye. > <looks up where Wye is> > Piece of piss, surely? There's about four junctions to remember by the > look of it. I want to use the very usefull detour function of CoPilot if I meet any jams on the way. Also, SatNav takes away any doubt about about the route. > Yes, "in the air" is a different issue - because there aren't > roadsigns. Funnily enough, I don't like the idea of relying on the SatNav in the air. I prefer to plan the route and work out winds/tracks/drift manually, using the SatNav as a confirmation of position. Good example was a couple of weeks ago. I flew westbound with a forecast wind of 30 knots that turned out to be accurate. On the way back, what I saw out the cockpit was not what I should have been seeing - a quick check of the SatNav showed I was drifting left of track due to lower then forecast wind. When tight against airspace, it is also nice to be able to confirm the view outside to the map, and confirm that with the SatNav. SignatureCessna172 >> I'm not. What I am against is the increasing reliance on them, Don't >> you KNOW where your mother-in-law lives by now? > Yes, but I have not driven there from the village of Wye. So? >> <looks up where Wye is> >> Piece of piss, surely? There's about four junctions to remember by >> the look of it. > I want to use the very usefull detour function of CoPilot if I meet > any jams on the way. Unless the SatNav hooks up with TrafficMaster and predicts the traffic, it's still fairly useless - as you'll only know there's traffic when you're actually stuck in it - and you won't know whether it'll delay you by a minute or an hour. >>> I'm not. What I am against is the increasing reliance on them, Don't >>> you KNOW where your mother-in-law lives by now? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > traffic when you're actually stuck in it - and you won't know whether > it'll delay you by a minute or an hour. Yes, sometimes you will get to a queue before its reported, but that doesn't take away the usefullness of traffic avoidance. You may as well ask all radio reporting of traffic to be stopped because its not always right. SignatureCessna172 >>> I want to use the very usefull detour function of CoPilot if I meet >>> any jams on the way. >> Unless the SatNav hooks up with TrafficMaster and predicts the >> traffic, it's still fairly useless - as you'll only know there's >> traffic when you're actually stuck in it - and you won't know whether >> it'll delay you by a minute or an hour. > Yes, sometimes you will get to a queue before its reported, but that > doesn't take away the usefullness of traffic avoidance. OK, so your SatNav IS hooked in to TrafficMaster? Most aren't. >>>> I want to use the very usefull detour function of CoPilot if I meet >>>> any jams on the way. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > OK, so your SatNav IS hooked in to TrafficMaster? Most aren't. Actually, mine isn't (when the bloody thing isn't being sent back to be fixed :-( ) but it's still useful when the traffic gets bad. I can see which side roads peter out into nothingness and which lead off to alternative routes far better than I could on a map. I can even just take a junction last minute when I see a queue building ahead and *know* that I'll be able to either go parallel to the route I was on or, even better, stop and tell it there's a blockage on the route and let it route around it. > Funnily enough, I don't like the idea of relying on the SatNav in the > air. I prefer to plan the route and work out winds/tracks/drift [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > When tight against airspace, it is also nice to be able to confirm the > view outside to the map, and confirm that with the SatNav. You need a bigger plane, you do SignatureStuart "end user" v. A command regrettably not implemented in most systems. > "Brimstone" <brimstone@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dv0ni7$smp$1 > @nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Why anyone may be anti electronic nav, is beyond me. It's not a case of being "anti" since I have been in a number of situations where such a device would have been useful (e.g. multidrop parcel delivery in an unfamilar area) but finding my way to a close relatives house isn't one of them. >> "Brimstone" <brimstone@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dv0ni7$smp$1 >> @nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > parcel delivery in an unfamilar area) but finding my way to a close > relatives house isn't one of them. you're getting desperate: satnav /isn't/ for finding your way to places you already know, it's for finding your way to places you *don't* know but it is *also* useful on known routes as the speed scam database warns you of recently added speed cameras. > you're getting desperate: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > routes > as the speed scam database warns you of recently added speed cameras. I also find it useful on motorway journeys as it shows me how long until the next junction I need to take. Even when I'm familiar with which junction it is, it's still nice to know there is e.g. 10 miles to go. On short routes you know very well there is no point at all, as you'll know exactly where you are, and where the speed cameras are for that matter. >> you're getting desperate: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > which junction it is, it's still nice to know there is e.g. 10 miles > to go. > On short routes you know very well there is no point at all where did I say there was ? I said "it is *also* useful on known routes" >>> you're getting desperate: >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > where did I say there was ? I said "it is *also* useful on known routes" Should have read: On short routes you know very well, there is no point at all. >>>> you're getting desperate: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Should have read: > On short routes you know very well, there is no point at all. you're repeating yourels. I said "it is *also* useful on *known* routes" >>>>> you're getting desperate: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > you're repeating yourels. I said "it is *also* useful on *known* routes" And I'm agreeing with you. What's your problem? >>>>>> you're getting desperate: >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > And I'm agreeing with you. What's your problem? the accusatory tone of "you know very well there is no point at all" I didn't say there was any point. >>>>> Should have read: >>>> On short routes you know very well, there is no point at all. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I didn't say there was any point. And even with my corrected sentance you still fail to grasp the point. I'll spell it out for you since you seem to be having trouble with simple sentances, On short routes you know very well = i.e. You know the short route very well. There is no point at all = i.e. There's no point because you know the route very well. Take your accusatory tone and shove it. >>>>>> Should have read: >>>>> On short routes you know very well, there is no point at all. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Take your accusatory tone and shove it. whooosh :p see how easy it is to make an error ;-) > whooosh :p > > see how easy it is to make an error ;-) No, all I see is you lashing out at people who are agreeing with you. Learn some ****ing manners boy. >> whooosh :p >> >> see how easy it is to make an error ;-) > > No, all I see is you lashing out at people who are agreeing with you. > Learn some ****ing manners boy. hahahah. ey ! ey ! caalm down deh laahh. I wasn't lashing, I was pointing ot your textual ambiguity. or should that be textual, ambiguity ? no big deal. on 13/03/2006, Mark Hewitt supposed : >> you're getting desperate: >> >> satnav /isn't/ for finding your way to places you already know, it's for >> finding >> your way to places you *don't* know but it is *also* useful on known routes >> as the speed scam database warns you of recently added speed cameras. Well it sometimes does help you find a better route, even when you are driving a familiar route. It also not just a matter of being familiar with the place you want to be, if you are starting from a place you do not usually set off from, you would tend to drive the familiar roads. The Satnav takes a fresh look at and offers what it thinks is the best route everytime. > I also find it useful on motorway journeys as it shows me how long until the > next junction I need to take. Even when I'm familiar with which junction it > is, it's still nice to know there is e.g. 10 miles to go. I find it useful even when I am very familiar with a motorway route. Motorways generally lack the landmarks found on other roads and exits can look very similar apart from the signage. I tend to ignore the signs and just watch/listen to the Satnav's countdown of the distance to the exit I need. I don't use it at all once I am familiar with a route which does not touch the motorways. SignatureRegards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dv0ni7$smp$1 >>> @nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > you're getting desperate: ROFL > satnav /isn't/ for finding your way to places you already know, it's > for finding your way to places you *don't* know Which is what I said, even then only under particular circumstances. > but it is *also* > useful on known routes > as the speed scam database warns you of recently added speed cameras. So now we get to the heart of the matter, it's a tool to help you (specifically you) break the law. "Brimstone" <brimstone@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dv3n7q$qpa$1 @nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com: >>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dv0ni7$smp$1 >>>> @nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Which is what I said, even then only under particular circumstances. Particular circumstances - what are they then? One feature I like about SatNav is the early graphic of approaching junctions. The 3d view in CoPilot will show the next two miles of roads (down to local roads) in surprisingly clear detail. This is great when approaching a town center or other complex junction (one way systems). A mile before you get there you can see what lane you will need to be in AND the route through the whole system. >> but it is *also* >> useful on known routes >> as the speed scam database warns you of recently added speed cameras. > > So now we get to the heart of the matter, it's a tool to help you > (specifically you) break the law. Nice try, and there are no doubt drivers will use it for that! Other usefull benifits include display of hidden/complex junctions before road signs warn of them. SignatureCessna172 > "Brimstone" <brimstone@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dv3n7q$qpa$1 > @nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Particular circumstances - what are they then? delivering forty or more parcels in a day in an unfamilar area. > One feature I like about SatNav is the early graphic of approaching > junctions. The 3d view in CoPilot will show the next two miles of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Nice try, and there are no doubt drivers will use it for that! Not you Ray. > In news:EAcRf.4442$GN1.1648@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net, > So now we get to the heart of the matter, it's a tool to help you > (specifically you) break the law. everytime you post about something you know nothing about you make yourself sound very foolish. on *known* routes, satnav with the speedcam POI database installed can be very useful as it warns a driver of a speed camera some 300 odd yards before the driver encounters it. a warning beep every now and then serves as an aide memoire to watch ones speed and not exceed the posted limits. "a tool to help you (specifically you) break the law" only in your imagination the reality, if you had any experience of it, is quite different. >> In news:EAcRf.4442$GN1.1648@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net, >> So now we get to the heart of the matter, it's a tool to help you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > beep every now and then serves as an aide memoire to watch ones > speed and not exceed the posted limits. And that makes you appear like someone who does his best to comply with the law does it? It says you don't give a stuff and are incapable of judging your speed. > "a tool to help you (specifically you) break the law" only in your > imagination the reality, if you had any experience of it, is quite > different. You don't have the faintest idea what my experience is. >>> In news:EAcRf.4442$GN1.1648@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net, >>> So now we get to the heart of the matter, it's a tool to help you [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > And that makes you appear like someone who does his best to comply > with the law does it? yes, where appropriate. remember: rules are made for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools ;-) > It says you don't give a stuff no it doesn't. it *demonstrates* that I am using any and all means to keep within the limits and to my driving licence points free. > and are incapable of judging your speed. I have a speedometer in my car. and I also use satnav. I'm certain I have the capability to judge my speed as much as the mext man but if the next man is a luddite like you (ned) then I have a better chance of judging my speed as many speedometers are usually out by 10% you're really crap at discussion, aren't you ? >> "a tool to help you (specifically you) break the law" only in your >> imagination the reality, if you had any experience of it, is quite >> different. > > You don't have the faintest idea what my experience is. why don't you tell me ? I've told you loads about my experiences both here and in europe. I did 600 miles last week and 750 the week before. and you know what car I dive. so far, all I know about your car is *nowt* and what I know about your driving experience is *nothing* all you've told me about any of your 'experiences' over the last 2 weeks is you sitting in a bath and you going to a pub. quite what that has to do with driving is anyones guess but don;t let that stop you making a tit of yourself. >> "Brimstone" <brimstone@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dv0ni7$smp$1 >> @nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > parcel delivery in an unfamilar area) but finding my way to a close > relatives house isn't one of them. Not mine either, but when going to that relatives house from a village in mid Kent that I have never been to before, its rather usefull! SignatureCessna172 "Brimstone" <brimstone@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dv0ni7$smp$1 @nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com: >>> Sat-nav users should take extra care in Sheffield, you could be >>> taking one route while the device is going by another. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Ooooh look, it's that Mr Smug chap agin. <rustle rustle> ooh look, paper maps. They tell me what I want to know without batteries or a car. Even tell me how steep a hill is. Even tell me what where I want to go looks like. I don't need to know how to get to work, or Grans. I do need to plan things like going camping. OS maps do this for me, not a little screen. If I need to know weather conditions I use the web before I trott off, radio keeps me abreast of traffic/weather conditions. Maps (paper) show me the way. If I'm really stuck on a mountainside, I dare say my Silva and OS map will last longer than an electronic map, and be more accurate. I don't need a tomtom to tell me to turn right at the next junction on the summit of Ben Nevis, or in Haringey while looking for the next turn off. I have a memory that came with my body. I look at a map, memorise it and off I go. Simple really. SignatureStuart "end user" v. A command regrettably not implemented in most systems. > "Brimstone" <brimstone@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dv0ni7$smp$1 > @nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Haringey while looking for the next turn off. I have a memory that came > with my body. I look at a map, memorise it and off I go. Simple really. Not exactly rocket science is it? I was taught map-reading in the TA and loved it :) McKev >> "Brimstone" <brimstone@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dv0ni7$smp$1 >> @nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > and loved it :) > McKev Another deprived child. :-( I was taught at school. >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dv0ni7$smp$1 >>> @nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > I was taught at school. Im not sure if there would be enough time in the day to teach kids it at school now - there seems to be so many other subjects that the polititians want to jam intot he curriculum that everything else is squeezed out. In the TA we learned well because it was punishment by running round the perimeter of Redford barracks if you got a question wrong when asked :-\ McKev >>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone@hotmail.com> wrote in news:dv0ni7$smp$1 >>>> @nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > the perimeter of Redford barracks if you got a question wrong when > asked :-\ Yup, I had similar experiences at Guard's Depot. >> Sat-nav users should take extra care in Sheffield, you could be >> taking one route while the device is going by another. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > an electronic map) to guide me whilst I'm there. anyone who thinks /maps/ > are /toys/ really does need to have a quiet word with themselves ;-) I used to have the PDA version but now I use TomTom Mobile. In large part because I was worried about my PDA getting stolen. As I'd be taking my phone with me when I leave the car anyway I might as well put it to use. >>> Sat-nav users should take extra care in Sheffield, you could be >>> taking one route while the device is going by another. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > taking my phone with me when I leave the car anyway I might as well > put it to use. the MDA compact /is/ a phone /and/ a 400mHz pocket PC ;-) >>>> Sat-nav users should take extra care in Sheffield, you could be >>>> taking one route while the device is going by another. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > the MDA compact /is/ a phone /and/ a 400mHz pocket PC ;-) Sure. But I don't want a big clunky thing like that in my pocket. I've looked at them in the past and the seem impressive, just that little bit too big. >>>>> Sat-nav users should take extra care in Sheffield, you could be >>>>> taking one route while the device is going by another. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > looked at them in the past and the seem impressive, just that little > bit too big. big ? have you handled one ? it's remarkably small for what it does. about 3 3/4 inches by 2" and about half an inch thick. it's actually smaller than some box standard mobile phones yet functions as a GPS device, phone, OS mapping device, camera and holds 1GB of music on top of 1GB of OS & tomtom maps. it only weighs 170 grammes. anyone over 5'5" cannot possibly find it big /or/ clunky ! clipped on your belt you really can't feel it :-) > big ? have you handled one ? Yes. The width and height are okay, but it's very deep. A step in the right direction, maybe the next model they release will be suitable. >> big ? have you handled one ? > > Yes. The width and height are okay, but it's very deep. same thickness as my foldd V3 ? > A step in the > right direction, maybe the next model they release will be suitable. can't see it getting any smaller in the very near future. the next gen model has twice the RAM, same CPU, /built in/ GPS reciever with the addition of 'b' wifi. same sized case with more packed inside. new chip developments won't trickle down to phones for a couple of years but when they do I'm sure that the devices will shrink even further. meanwhile, I suppose I'll just have to cope LOL Mark Hewitt (mail@markhewittDotCoDotUk.spammers.will.die) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : >>> I used to have the PDA version but now I use TomTom Mobile. In large >>> part because I was worried about my PDA getting stolen. As I'd be >>> taking my phone with me when I leave the car anyway I might as well >>> put it to use. >> the MDA compact /is/ a phone /and/ a 400mHz pocket PC ;-) > Sure. But I don't want a big clunky thing like that in my pocket. I've > looked at them in the past and the seem impressive, just that little > bit too big. I've had an SPV M2000 (HTC BlueAngel, same as the MDA III) for a year. It's sh.t. It's terrible. It's awful. And that's being kind to it. |
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