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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / Driving (UK group) / August 2008Why don't you signal?
It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* signal their intentions on roundabouts. In view of that high percentage, it is inevitable that a fair proportion of those of you reading this e-mail will be amongst those who *never* signal their intentions on roundabouts. My question is: Bearing in mind the gross inconvenience you cause to other motorists wanting to join the roundabout, WHY don't you signal your intentions on roundabouts? Is it just rank laziness? A 'couldn't give a damn' attitude to other motorists? Plain arrogant stupidity? What? You tell me. DIY > It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* > signal their intentions on roundabouts. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > DIY It is because it is not Policed. Despite the fact that both beat Police, area traffic Police and Motorway Police use the roundabout at Junction 17 of the M60 at least 90% of drivers don't signal which they should do as it's mostly 3 lanes wide with 4 exits, 3 of which are 2 lanes wide. Is it necessary to signal when there is only one exit available due to a LGV being on it's side at Junction 9 of the M40 with the A34. (3 lanes on the roundabout 2 lane wide exit) In article <4ce0586e-120e-43a0-931d- f14475575a2e@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, baggy1963 says... > It is because it is not Policed. Despite the fact that both beat > Police, area traffic Police and Motorway Police use the roundabout at > Junction 17 of the M60 at least 90% of drivers don't signal which they > should do as it's mostly 3 lanes wide with 4 exits, 3 of which are 2 > lanes wide. Are there direction arrows on the tarmac and on the signage saying what lane goes where? Yes. Traffic waiting to get on has to give way to traffic coming from the right. So where is the problem? > Is it necessary to signal when there is only one exit available due to > a LGV being on it's side at Junction 9 of the M40 with the A34. (3 > lanes on the roundabout 2 lane wide exit) No unless you're incapable of graduation from the School of the Bleeding Obvious.  SignatureConor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > In article <4ce0586e-120e-43a0-931d- > f14475575...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, baggy1963 says... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Are there direction arrows on the tarmac and on the signage saying what > lane goes where? Yes But to drivers always follow them? No. On the Western side from the middle lane it is possible to go straight on to the A56 or right to the clockwise M60 so a signal would be helpful. When was the last you were there? Many years ago when the sharp deviations signs were still there? >Traffic waiting to get on has to give way to traffic coming from the right. So where is the problem? There are traffic lifghts on all the time stopping the flow round the roundabout which means you can get stuck behind traffic that is in the wrong lane and not indicating. In article <f18ee67b-8701-40b4-9833-1c15afc2fb37 @m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, baggy1963 says... > > In article <4ce0586e-120e-43a0-931d- > > f14475575...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, baggy1963 says... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > on to the A56 or right to the clockwise M60 so a signal would be > helpful. But most drivers can't signal correctly on roundabouts anyway. TBH, I prefer no signal to a misleading one. SignatureConor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > In article <f18ee67b-8701-40b4-9833-1c15afc2fb37 > @m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, baggy1963 says... [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Here's a link to the Highway Code http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070338 > Despite the fact that both beat > Police, area traffic Police and Motorway Police use the roundabout at > Junction 17 of the M60 at least 90% of drivers don't signal... Both of all three of them? > > Despite the fact that both beat > > Police, area traffic Police and Motorway Police use the roundabout at > > Junction 17 of the M60 at least 90% of drivers don't signal... > > Both of all three of them? Well, at least he seems to have learned to reply properly and include some context! MBQ >It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* >signal their intentions on roundabouts. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >DIY Did you signal your intention to join this group? > It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* > signal their intentions on roundabouts. I always signal, those in front of me don't even though I have my headlights on and sound my horn! >> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* >> signal their intentions on roundabouts. > > I always signal, those in front of me don't even though I have my > headlights on and sound my horn! You stupid twat. There's no need to signal on the A34/M40 roundabout. In fact, it's more of a circular lane system than a roundabout. > >> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* > >> signal their intentions on roundabouts. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You stupid twat. There's no need to signal on the A34/M40 roundabout. In > fact, it's more of a circular lane system than a roundabout. I believe traffic in the middle lane can, normally,either leave the roundabout or continue round! > It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* > signal their intentions on roundabouts. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > DIY Don't include the poor BMW and Volvo drivers in this. On BMWs, for example, working indicators are an option. Volvo handbooks deliberately don't mention indicators, the company takes the view that amber daylight running lights are safer. >> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* >> signal their intentions on roundabouts. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >indicators, the company takes the view that amber daylight running lights >are safer. And London taxis are forbidden by Transport for London from using their indicators. Especially when making U-turns. > It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* > signal their intentions on roundabouts. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > damn' attitude to other motorists? Plain arrogant stupidity? What? You > tell me. Many roundabouts are marked with dedicated lanes these days, so I would question if some of those you see need to indicate. If I am in a dedicated filter lane, I don't signal, unless I feel someone would benefit. Indicating at a roundabout is an interesting one, because a good driver will not proceed on the strength of a signal alone. So, the decision to go or not go should be based on the gap available. I certainly would not sit at a roundabout just because a car was signalling in my direction *IF* a suitable gap was available. Equally, I would not move into an unsuitable gap based on a car signalling to leave a roundabout. -- MrBitsy In uk.rec.driving, MrBitsy wrote: >> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* >> signal their intentions on roundabouts. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >If I am in a dedicated >filter lane, I don't signal, unless I feel someone would benefit. But can you always be sure that that someone *knows* you're in a dedicated lane? The markings of other drivers' lanes on an unfamiliar roundabout are not always easy to interpret. >Indicating at a roundabout is an interesting one, because a good driver will >not proceed on the strength of a signal alone. So, the decision to go or not >go should be based on the gap available. I certainly would not sit at a >roundabout just because a car was signalling in my direction *IF* a suitable >gap was available. Equally, I would not move into an unsuitable gap based on >a car signalling to leave a roundabout. I agree it's interesting, but things are rarely as clear-cut as that. Often the gap is such that, if the other driver signals and then fails to leave the roundabout, by moving into his path I would inconvenience him but there would be negligible risk of a collision. Under those circumstances I'd consider it a suitable gap if he was signalling, and an unsuitable gap if he wasn't. SignatureMike Barnes > It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* > signal their intentions on roundabouts. What part of the country do you live in ? Just so I can make a point of avoiding it you see. Graham > It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* > signal their intentions on roundabouts. > > In view of that high percentage, it is inevitable that a fair proportion > of those of you reading this e-mail will be amongst those who *never* > signal their intentions on roundabouts. Even better, on roundabouts: 1. People who signal right when they're going straight on, switching to signalling left once they pass the exit prior to theirs. Who ever taught people that? [I'm talking about a standard 4-exit raoundabout with all exits at 90 degrees, as per the diagrams in the HC, not some funky, strange-angled roundabout.] 2. People turning right (in cars) who neither signal AND who do the whole manoevre in the left hand lane. Nearly taken out people doing who were doing that when crossing such a roundabout (2 lanes on, 2 lanes off) in the right hand lane. > > It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* > > signal their intentions on roundabouts. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > that when crossing such a roundabout (2 lanes on, 2 lanes off) in the right > hand lane. I know why some people do that - they are under the opinion that a roundabout is treated the same as a one-way street. So if they are in the left lane they are OK to go all the way round without indicating. >> > It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists >> > *never* [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > roundabout is treated the same as a one-way street. So if they are in the > left lane they are OK to go all the way round without indicating. Then they are wrong on more accounts than I can be bothered to list here. Treating a road like it's one that it isn't is not an excuse for anything. > >> > It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists > >> > *never* [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Then they are wrong on more accounts than I can be bothered to list here. > Treating a road like it's one that it isn't is not an excuse for anything. Yeah, but you try arguing the toss with someone who's driven that way for 40 years. The HC doesn't exactly help with its vague "be in the appropriate lane" directive. In uk.rec.driving, Graculus wrote: >1. People who signal right when they're going straight on, switching to >signalling left once they pass the exit prior to theirs. Who ever >taught people that? [I'm talking about a standard 4-exit raoundabout >with all exits at 90 degrees, as per the diagrams in the HC, not some >funky, strange-angled roundabout.] I have friend who does that but I've never got round to asking why. In fact I think I know why: he sees the first exit as a junction where you signal left to exit or right to stay on the roundabout. What I don't understand is that he doesn't notice that 99.9% of other drivers don't do that, so his signal is misleading. SignatureMike Barnes > 2. People turning right (in cars) who neither signal AND who do the whole > manoevre in the left hand lane. Nearly taken out people doing who were doing > that when crossing such a roundabout (2 lanes on, 2 lanes off) in the right > hand lane. There's an interesting one not far from here http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.41359,-2.542959&spn=0.002507,0.005665&t= k&z=18 You can see the roads leading to it are at usual 12, 3, 6, o'clock positions (approx) but that the lower road bends sharply around before it joins. It means you have to look out your rear offside window to see what's on the roundabout. It also means that as you approach it on the left lane to go straight on, now it's almost like turning right. That said it's large enough to not cause any problems, but if I spot an impatient f.cker zooming up behind be from the M6, I indicate right until I'm past that first junction, to make it clear I'm not turning off it, then signal left to leave at the original 'straight on' exit. SignatureChris > > 2. People turning right (in cars) who neither signal AND who do the whole > > manoevre in the left hand lane. Nearly taken out people doing who were doing [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > junction, to make it clear I'm not turning off it, then signal left to > leave at the original 'straight on' exit. I used to use that rounabout every day. Still do about 3 times a week. Getting on from Birchwood way where you end up looking back, at any kind of pace can be a bit of a pig, because you can be sure the micra in front will either stop and wait, or be in the second lane on the entry, but get into the first lane on the rounabout when they cross the line cutting up your progress while you are looking backwards. SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com > It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* > signal their intentions on roundabouts. Its my accurate perception that your ability to percieve things is sh.t. 90%? No. Sometimes don't, 5%? Maybe. Never signal? sub 1%. You're saying some people never once indicate on roundabouts - which is patently untrue. Some people may often not bother, but never? SignatureDan Clio V6 >> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* >> signal their intentions on roundabouts. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > roundabouts - which is patently untrue. Some people may often not bother, > but never? Let's say then that 90% of motorists *regularly* fail to signal their intentions either on the approach to a roundabout, or when they are on it. If you disagree then go and stand near a roundabout and count them. DIY >>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* >>> signal their intentions on roundabouts. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > intentions either on the approach to a roundabout, or when they are on it. > If you disagree then go and stand near a roundabout and count them. You'd have to pick your roundabout carefully to get any sensible result. I am fairly diligent in signalling such things, yet on my daily commute, I cross a whole series of roundabouts and don't signal any of them. The reason is that most are main 'A' road crossing minor roads into housing estate, where straight on is the default taken by most people. Oh, and while we're on such things, why do people think it's useful to pull into a right filter lane without signalling, and then signal right once it's completely obvious which way they're going? >>>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists >>>> *never* signal their intentions on roundabouts. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > reason is that most are main 'A' road crossing minor roads into housing > estate, where straight on is the default taken by most people. I'm sorry but this is typical nonsense. Whilst the 'A' road route may be the route that most motorists take - any other driver wanting to join that roundabout simply will not know whether you intend to keep on the 'A' route or turn off into the housing estate. Motorists are not mind readers and it is infuriating when you miss your chance to join a busy roundabout when another motorist turns off at the junction before yours without signalling. Bearing in mind it takes no effort at all to flick down your indicator stalk - why on earth don't you do it? DIY >>>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists >>>> *never* signal their intentions on roundabouts. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > pull into a right filter lane without signalling, and then signal right > once it's completely obvious which way they're going? Agreed - and why the hell do they insist on getting into the right lane a mile from the roundabout/junction? -- MrBitsy > It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* > signal their intentions on roundabouts. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > DIY All three, probably. Even if they do signal, they invariably put their indicators on far too early. -- Halmyre > > It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* > > signal their intentions on roundabouts. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > -- > Halmyre Last evening it would have helped me if a driver of a car entering the road I was coming out of had indicated left to leave the roundabout. > WHY don't you signal your > intentions on roundabouts? I like to keep people guessing. I think of it as a public service. With cars getting quieter and more comfy, and speed limits getting pushed down on roads suitable to go much faster, drowsiness is a real problem. I help to keep people awake. SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com > It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* > signal their intentions on roundabouts. is 90% *never signal* an 'accurate' figure or a 'completely made up figure' on the basis that 'yesterday it would have been helpful if someone had signalled left before turning into my road' on a roundabout. >> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* >> signal their intentions on roundabouts. > > is 90% *never signal* an 'accurate' figure or a 'completely made up figure' > on the basis that 'yesterday it would have been helpful if someone had > signalled left before turning into my road' on a roundabout. Not signalling left is annoying, but not signalling right is VERY annoying. Signaturehttp://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Fellows, it's often easier to just give in to your wife. I mean, what's your word against thousands of hers? >>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* >>> signal their intentions on roundabouts. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Not signalling left is annoying, but not signalling right is VERY > annoying. Why does it annoy you so? SignatureMrBitsy Rover 75 CDTi >>>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists *never* >>>> signal their intentions on roundabouts. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Why does it annoy you so? Because you think you can pull in front of them. Signaturehttp://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com My sex life is so bad that when I called one of those phone sex lines, a voice came on and said, "Not tonight. I have an earache." >>>>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists >>>>> *never* [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Because you think you can pull in front of them. Do you mean you base your decision to move on another drivers signal? SignatureMrBitsy Rover 75 CDTi >>>>>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists >>>>>> *never* [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Do you mean you base your decision to move on another drivers signal? That's what they're there for. I suppose you would have signals removed? Signaturehttp://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Although born to a Catholic family, Chester had always wanted to be Jewish. As a senior in college, he decided to take the plunge and go through the formal conversion process. He studied Judaism all semester. Finally, he felt he was ready to take the test and complete the conversion. On the appointed day, he arrived at the Rabbi's office, ready to begin. The Rabbi said, "I'm sorry, but before I give you the test, I must discuss my fee, It's $5000." "$5000!" exclaimed Chester, "That's a lot of money. How about $500?" "Congratulations, you pass." said the Rabbi. >>>>>>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists >>>>>>> *never* [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >That's what they're there for. I suppose you would have signals removed? London taxis have the bulbs removed. >>>>>>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's motorists >>>>>>> *never* [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > That's what they're there for. I suppose you would have signals removed? You don't go, based on a signal - so what if you go based on the signal, but the signal was wrong? You should go if you have the time to go - you shouldn't go if you haven't got the time. 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S'what I do. >>>>>>>>>>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's >>>>>>>>>>> motorists *never* [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > S'what I do. Always remember, towbars are stronger than bumpers. Signaturehttp://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com What are the "Man's Three Rules When Getting Old?" Never pass a bathroom, don't waste a hard-on, and never trust a fart. >>>>>>>>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's >>>>>>>>> motorists *never* [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > What if there's time, as long as the other car slows down? In that example, there isn't the time. SignatureMrBitsy Rover 75 CDTi >>>>>>>>>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's >>>>>>>>>> motorists *never* [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > In that example, there isn't the time. Yes there is. The extra time comes from the other car slowing down. >>>>>>>>>>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's >>>>>>>>>>> motorists *never* [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Yes there is. The extra time comes from the other car slowing down. Then the extra time came from poor driving, by the driver that made the other car slow. SignatureMrBitsy Rover 75 CDTi >>>>>>>>>>>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's >>>>>>>>>>>> motorists *never* [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Then the extra time came from poor driving, by the driver that made > the other car slow. If some numpty can't bother to make other people's lives easier by indicating, why should anyone worry about making them slow down a bit? >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's >>>>>>>>>>>>> motorists *never* [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > If some numpty can't bother to make other people's lives easier by > indicating, why should anyone worry about making them slow down a bit? You have a problem if you can't judge whether it is safe to move or not. If they signal, but there is time to go, then go - don't just sit there because you see an orange flashing light. If they don't signal, then go if there is time. If there isn't time to move if they do come in your direction, then don't move SignatureMrBitsy Rover 75 CDTi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> motorists *never* [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > signal, then go if there is time. If there isn't time to move if they > do come in your direction, then don't move Again, what is the point of indicating if a "good" driver takes no notice? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> motorists *never* [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > time. If there isn't time to move if they do come in your direction, then > don't move "There is time" is not black and white. You can go leaving a safe gap. You can go leaving an unsafe gap. You can go causing them to brake. You can go causing a collision. Signaturehttp://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Confuscious say: "Man who sit on tack get point!" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motorists *never* [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > You can go leaving an unsafe gap. You can go causing them to brake. You > can go causing a collision. It is black and white- either there is time to go or there isn't. SignatureMrBitsy Rover 75 CDTi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's my accurate perception that around 90% of today's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motorists *never* [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > It is black and white- either there is time to go or there isn't. Would you consider cutting in front of someone causing them to brake sharply "enough time"? Signaturehttp://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Have you heard of the untimely passing of the Energizer Bunny? Someone put his batteries in backwards and he just kept coming and coming and coming . . . >> It is black and white- either there is time to go or there isn't. > > Would you consider cutting in front of someone causing them to brake > sharply "enough time"? No - I hope you wouldn't either SignatureMrBitsy Rover 75 CDTi >>> It is black and white- either there is time to go or there isn't. >> >> Would you consider cutting in front of someone causing them to brake >> sharply "enough time"? > > No - I hope you wouldn't either If they had not indicated correctly, it is revenge. Anyway my point is this is the grey area. You have enough time to avoid an accident, but you have annoyed the other driver. Signaturehttp://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Ways To Be Offensive At A Funeral: Tell the undertaker that he can't close the coffin until you find your contact lens. Drive behind the widow's limo and keep honking your horn. At the cemetery, play taps on a kazoo. Ask the widow if you can have the body to practice tattooing on. Put Crazy Glue on the deceased's lips just before the widow's last kiss. Circulate a petition to have the body stuffed instead of buried. Tell the undertaker that your dog just died and ask if he can sneak him into the coffin. >>>> It is black and white- either there is time to go or there isn't. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Anyway my point is this is the grey area. You have enough time to avoid > an accident, but you have annoyed the other driver. There is no grey area - you must not cause the other driver to change speed or direction. Go if there is the time or don't go if there isn't. SignatureMrBitsy Rover 75 CDTi >>>>> It is black and white- either there is time to go or there isn't. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > There is no grey area - you must not cause the other driver to change speed > or direction. Go if there is the time or don't go if there isn't. Alright then, how much gap would you consider safe? 2 car lengths? What if you left 2 car lengths minus 1 inch? How accurate is your eyesight? Signaturehttp://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com I'm not so think as you drunk I am... >>>>>> It is black and white- either there is time to go or there isn't. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Alright then, how much gap would you consider safe? 2 car lengths? What > if you left 2 car lengths minus 1 inch? How accurate is your eyesight? Good grief. If by entering the roundabout you would cause the other driver to change speed or direction, then there isn't the room to go. SignatureMrBitsy Rover 75 CDTi >>>>>>> It is black and white- either there is time to go or there isn't. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > If by entering the roundabout you would cause the other driver to change > speed or direction, then there isn't the room to go. My point is there IS a grey area. Your judgement is not precise. There is an area where you gradually become less certain that there is time. There is an area where the other driver may or may not slow down more and more, depending on how cautious they are. Signaturehttp://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com A man is a person who will pay two dollars for a one-dollar item he wants. A woman will pay one dollar for a two-dollar item that she doesn't want. >>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:57:08 +0100, MrBitsy >>>>>>> <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > My point is there IS a grey area. No, there isn't. >Your judgement is not precise. There is an area where you gradually become >less certain that > there is time. There is a time where to pull out would cause the other driver to slow or change direction, so one would not move. > There is an area where the other driver may or may not slow down more and > more, depending on how cautious they are. Why would they be slowing? SignatureMrBitsy Rover 75 CDTi >>>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:57:08 +0100, MrBitsy >>>>>>>> <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Why would they be slowing? Because you have no idea at what point they would slow down when you pull out. Unless you both have the same idea of what constitutes a safe distance, there is an area where you cannot tell what his reaction will be. Signaturehttp://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com A fella was saying to his friend, "My wife seems to have developed some sort of fixation that her collection of fur coats will be stolen. When I came home early one day last week, I found she'd hired someone to GUARD them! In fact, she stationed the poor guy right inside the closet!" >>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:59:49 +0100, MrBitsy >>>>>>> <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > distance, there is an area where you cannot tell what his reaction will > be. What are you going on about? I get to a roundabout and observe cars to the right. If I have time to move without causing them to slow, I move. SignatureMrBitsy Rover 75 CDTi >>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:59:49 +0100, MrBitsy >>>>>>>> <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > I get to a roundabout and observe cars to the right. If I have time to move > without causing them to slow, I move. Why do you seem to think that "have time to" is so precise? Signaturehttp://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com My sex life is so bad that when I called one of those phone sex lines, a voice came on and said, "Not tonight. I have an earache." |
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