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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / Driving (UK group) / May 2008...digital tacho cards, some notes
As this has cropped up here before, my reactions to personal digital tacho cards are: It would be nice if the information about provision of company tacho cards were as clear in the leaflet you get to read before applying as it is in the one you get with the card itself. I'm sure I read it. And it wasn't anything like as clear. Anyone "with the facilities" to upload their own tachodata (i.e. a chipcard reader) may wish to consider a dedicated offline laptop or PDA or somesuch for their own security as, on consideration, it seems to be likely that magnetic strips on financial "plastic" card formats are there as a backup for some retailers and possibly to facilitate ATM changeover but discrete data storage for security, making use of the two formats (strip and chip), seems unlikely. i.e., any handset you get to read a tacho card may well look, to a sense bot, like one that reads moneycards. G DAEB COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON -- In article <8b7eaeae-ddaf-40c2-af15-d3d25e9668b9 @m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, FCS says... > As this has cropped up here before, my > reactions to personal digital tacho cards [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > for security, making use of the two formats > (strip and chip), seems unlikely. WHAT THE f.ck ARE YOU ON ABOUT? There are no magnetic strips on a digicard. Why would you want to download your own tacho data? Print the f.cker out.  SignatureConor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams <snip the bollox> > WHAT THE f.ck ARE YOU ON ABOUT? > > There are no magnetic strips on a digicard. Why would you want to > download your own tacho data? Print the f.cker out. I disagree there, I have a card reader & software which works out my driving hours, daily rest, weekly rest, WTD, any infringements etc. all on screen & far easier than trying to understand the printouts. Alan... ><snip the bollox> >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > driving hours, daily rest, weekly rest, WTD, any infringements etc. all > on screen & far easier than trying to understand the printouts. yes, but why would you want to do this? Signature"Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain and presumptuous desire for a second one." [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk] > <snip the bollox> >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > driving hours, daily rest, weekly rest, WTD, any infringements etc. > all on screen & far easier than trying to understand the printouts. Where did you get it? IYDMMA -- Geoff > <snip the bollox> > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > driving hours, daily rest, weekly rest, WTD, any infringements etc. all > on screen & far easier than trying to understand the printouts. The printouts are easy to understand. I did think they were idiot proof but apparently there seems to be two idiots who have a problem with then. SignatureConor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> <snip the bollox> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > proof but apparently there seems to be two idiots who have a problem > with then. Well, perhaps you would like to include the German, Austrian and Polish traffic police because, from personal experience, I can assure you they all want to look at the data on the card and not any printouts. Perhaps not ALL the data on the card is included on the printouts? -- Geoff > Well, perhaps you would like to include the German, Austrian and > Polish traffic police because, from personal experience, I can assure > you they all want to look at the data on the card and not any > printouts. > Perhaps not ALL the data on the card is included on the printouts? FFS..are you as dumb as that other twat? The printout shows the last 24 hours. Your card records 28 days worth. The coppers want to see that you've had your weekly rests so want more than a days worth - no different than asking to see all your tacho discs you have on you. SignatureConor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> Well, perhaps you would like to include the German, Austrian and >> Polish traffic police because, from personal experience, I can [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > no > different than asking to see all your tacho discs you have on you. So you are saying that there is no extra data on the card which is not included in the printout? -- Geoff >> Well, perhaps you would like to include the German, Austrian and >> Polish traffic police because, from personal experience, I can assure [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > you've had your weekly rests so want more than a days worth - no > different than asking to see all your tacho discs you have on you. Why are you so aggressive? Is no-one other than yourself allowed to have a personal opinion?. Is your way always the correct way? All I said was I prefer to use a card reader & software to check on what is happening. I'd rather not keep printing out pieces of paper with the information on. As to your comments about the printout shows the last 24 hours are you sure about that? Also the card holds the that 28 days information are you sure about that? I've never used a UK digital tachograph system that both those statements hold true, unless you are using a different system. Alan... > >> Well, perhaps you would like to include the German, Austrian and > >> Polish traffic police because, from personal experience, I can assure [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > Why are you so aggressive? Because I'm sick of stupid c.nts who claim to be HGV drivers and aren't worth the steam off a Polish drivers piss. There. You've annoyed me so much I've said a word I promised not to on this group. > Is your way always the correct way? In regards to drivers hours laws and associated things, yes because I know what I'm on about. > As to your comments about the printout shows the last 24 hours are you > sure about that? Yes you dumb f.ck. When you eject the card, the tacho unit asks you if you want a printout and puts the number 24 there - for 24 hours. > Also the card holds the that 28 days information are > you sure about that? Yes..it's in the f.cking EU regulations. > I've never used a UK digital tachograph system that > both those statements hold true, unless you are using a different system. Go read the f.cking official information, its all there. Drivers and screwdrivers and you ain't a driver. SignatureConor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >There. You've annoyed me so much I've said a word I promised not to on >this group. That'd be "Polish", I presume? SignatureIan D >>>> Well, perhaps you would like to include the German, Austrian and >>>> Polish traffic police because, from personal experience, I can assure [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Because I'm sick of stupid c.nts who claim to be HGV drivers and aren't > worth the steam off a Polish drivers piss. Where did that come from? I'm not saying anything about the intelligence of drivers??? I'd like to see some of the pussies in this group try to drive one & then have their opinions on the state of car drivers. > There. You've annoyed me so much I've said a word I promised not to on > this group. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > In regards to drivers hours laws and associated things, yes because I > know what I'm on about. I disagree on this you seem not to. >> As to your comments about the printout shows the last 24 hours are you >> sure about that? > > Yes you dumb f.ck. When you eject the card, the tacho unit asks you if > you want a printout and puts the number 24 there - for 24 hours. But it doesn't that's the whole point, it prints out the information of that 24 hour day period, which means that if you print it out at 17:00 you will only get 17 hours of information. If you want the information between 17:00 & 00:00 the previous day you will have to print that out seperately. You obviously only drive days. >> Also the card holds the that 28 days information are >> you sure about that? > > Yes..it's in the f.cking EU regulations. Just because it's the EU regs doesn't mean that's what it does, it will hold a minimum of 28 days information based on 100 daily events, If you don't have 100 daily events & only 50 daily events it could hold 56 days etc, it does not delete events after 28 days. >> I've never used a UK digital tachograph system that >> both those statements hold true, unless you are using a different system. >> > Go read the f.cking official information, its all there. Don't need to I know them, which it appears you don't as well as you think you do. > Drivers and screwdrivers and you ain't a driver. Well, that seems a bit strange as I'm sure I am, could have sworn it was a artic with a 40ft trailer I took to Avonmouth last night, it's not something you tend to forget about. Alan... >> Is your way always the correct way? > > In regards to drivers hours laws and associated things, yes because > I > know what I'm on about. Well things must have changed since you demonstrated a very poor grasp of the regulations in this thread. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.driving/browse_thread/thread/380575aff87 5d4a4/9a94ed1720c95a0c?hl=en&lnk=st&q=# (OK I know, I have no idea how to link to a thread other than via Goggle) -- Geoff > >> Is your way always the correct way? > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well things must have changed since you demonstrated a very poor grasp > of the regulations in this thread. And what was the poor grasp in there? SignatureConor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >>>> Is your way always the correct way? >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> Well things must have changed since you demonstrated a very poor >> grasp of the regulations in this thread. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.driving/browse_thread/thread/380575aff87 5d4a4/9a94ed1720c95a0c?hl=en&lnk=st&q=# > And what was the poor grasp in there? Erm...... let's see now. OK, a starter for ten. How many tacho charts would you be required to produce for inspection, now and back then (Feb '07)? -- Geoff > http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.driving/browse_thread/thread/380575aff87 5d4a4/9a94ed1720c95a0c?hl=en&lnk=st&q=# > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > OK, a starter for ten. How many tacho charts would you be required to > produce for inspection, now and back then (Feb '07)? Now, 28 days. Back then, current week plus the last chart of the previous week OTTOMH - can't remember if the 15 days thing was in then because I'm only interested in what's current. Now explain to me where I made a mistake? Be VERY CAREFUL because I think I know what you're about to say and you're about to be shown up as a stupid short sighted clueless muppet if you do. SignatureConor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >>> <snip the bollox> >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > printouts. > Perhaps not ALL the data on the card is included on the printouts? What relevance has this to recreational driving? Signature"Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain and presumptuous desire for a second one." [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk] >>>> <snip the bollox> >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >What relevance has this to recreational driving? What relevance has driving to recreation? > i.e., any handset you get to read a tacho > card may well look, to a sense bot, like one > that reads moneycards. > > G DAEB > COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON Have you forgotten to take some medication? SignatureDavid Taylor David Taylor <davidt-news@yadt.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> i.e., any handset you get to read a tacho card may well look, to a >> sense bot, like one that reads moneycards. >> >> G DAEB >> COPYRIGHT (C) 2008 SIPSTON > Have you forgotten to take some medication? You think that's bad? Have you seen the one he posted in uk.t? |
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