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I had some paint overspray on my nearside passenger door, and an accident with superglue I wanted corrected. Had the car detailed a couple of days ago. I was considering buying a polisher myself, but decided to get it professionally done. http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3485&postdays=0&postorder=as c&start=0 Well worth it if you are considering having your car detailed.  SignatureMrBitsy > I had some paint overspray on my nearside passenger door, and an > accident with superglue I wanted corrected. Had the car detailed a > couple of days ago. I was considering buying a polisher myself, but > decided to get it professionally done. I can understand getting somone who knows what he's doing to get rid of the overspray and glue. But as for this so-called detailing, why? >> I had some paint overspray on my nearside passenger door, and an >> accident with superglue I wanted corrected. Had the car detailed a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I can understand getting somone who knows what he's doing to get rid of > the overspray and glue. But as for this so-called detailing, why? Why do you live in a filthy house? -- MrBitsy >>> I had some paint overspray on my nearside passenger door, and an >>> accident with superglue I wanted corrected. Had the car detailed a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Why do you live in a filthy house? Huh? A car isn't a house it's a tool for getting from A to B. Keeping it clean and tidy I understand. But, I repeat, as for this so-called detailing, why? >>>> I had some paint overspray on my nearside passenger door, and an >>>> accident with superglue I wanted corrected. Had the car detailed a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > clean and tidy I understand. But, I repeat, as for this so-called > detailing, why? Some things are worth getting perfect. I'm just not sure that a Rover 75 is one of those things. >>>> I had some paint overspray on my nearside passenger door, and an >>>> accident with superglue I wanted corrected. Had the car detailed a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Why do you live in a filthy house? A dirty house can be lived in - why clean it? > Huh? A car isn't a house it's a tool for getting from A to B. Keeping it > clean and tidy I understand. But, I repeat, as for this so-called > detailing, why? The paint surface of the average car is covered with swirls that detract from the shine. My 'detail' was a machine polish to remove those swirls and small scratches. Benefits include, More gloss and shine Easier washing Much easier drying Applying polish or wax is far quicker Greater paint protection Less chance of rust spots, due to bonded contaminants on the paint surface.Detailing includes using a better wash technique, and that means swirls are not put back on the car. What is ironic though, is that a detailed car is MUCH easier and quicker to clean, even though people like yourself assume it takes longer. -- MrBitsy > What is ironic though, is that a detailed car is MUCH easier and quicker > to clean, even though people like yourself assume it takes longer. <giggles quietly> Esoteric hifi, "detailing". More than a hint of OCD me thinks... >> What is ironic though, is that a detailed car is MUCH easier and quicker >> to clean, even though people like yourself assume it takes longer. > > <giggles quietly> > > Esoteric hifi, "detailing". More than a hint of OCD me thinks... The 'detailing' I have personally done, over and above washing and polishing that most do, is 'claying' the car. This takes no longer than washing the car, yet makes a huge difference to the quality of the paint finish - it also only needs doing twice a year. Apart from the several days initial effort I put in to improve the finish, I do the following ... Wash & dry weekly Mist and wipe after washing Polish 3 monthly Wax 3 monthly Clay twice yearly. As I didn't own a machine polisher to remove scratches. I called in a pro to do it, but that won't need doing again for a few years. As I said before, now the paintwork is smoother than glass, washing is easy and the car dries itself (rinse water runs off the car). Even after driving through rain, the muck rinses off because the paint surface is so smooth. -- MrBitsy "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > I do the following ... > > Wash & dry > 3 monthly Sounds about right. Mebbe every month and a half, to be fair. Although I think the XM went for a year without a wash. > "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Sounds about right. Mebbe every month and a half, to be fair. Although I > think the XM went for a year without a wash. IME it's best to wash a car when you find that the sills stain your trousers if they touch them... >>> What is ironic though, is that a detailed car is MUCH easier and quicker >>> to clean, even though people like yourself assume it takes longer. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > car dries itself (rinse water runs off the car). Even after driving > through rain, the muck rinses off because the paint surface is so smooth. No need to justify wanting your car to look nice, clean and cared for. The people that are complaining are probably the type that don't care about their appearence as well - because "why should we care what other people think" eh? I wax mine at least once a month, if not once a fortnight using the Dodo Juice. Although no washing this week because I'm car-less till I can go pick my new one up heh! SignatureDan Clio R27 F1 #65 >>>> What is ironic though, is that a detailed car is MUCH easier and >>>> quicker to clean, even though people like yourself assume it takes [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Juice. Although no washing this week because I'm car-less till I can go > pick my new one up heh! Did you not have some Collinite? Waxing monthly must be a gip. >>>>> What is ironic though, is that a detailed car is MUCH easier and >>>>> quicker to clean, even though people like yourself assume it takes [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Did you not have some Collinite? Waxing monthly must be a gip. Would probably last longer, but everytime I wash it it gets foamed etc, so I like to make sure there is a good layer on. Dodo Juice in the summer because it gives a better shine. SignatureDan Clio R27 F1 #65 > The 'detailing' I have personally done, over and above washing and polishing > that most do, is 'claying' the car. This takes no longer than washing the > car, yet makes a huge difference to the quality of the paint finish - it > also only needs doing twice a year. If it makes you happy do it, I tend to wash once a month, polish/wax every 3 months. I don't have a car that would shine up that well, but I like it to look its best. It is usually filthy by the next day thanks to the building site over the road blowing up a sandstorm anyway. But to stand back and see my myself replected from across the road feels nice. SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com >> The 'detailing' I have personally done, over and above washing and >> polishing [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > But to stand back and see my myself replected from across the road feels > nice. Good paint on Saabs - could probably get yours (dents aside) back to showroom shine in an afternoon. SignatureDan Clio R27 #65 > Good paint on Saabs - could probably get yours (dents aside) back to > showroom shine in an afternoon. I think every panel including the roof has at least one supermarket dent and a large stone chip/guage and most of them have been keyed and badly touched in with a touchup pen. SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com >>>>> I had some paint overspray on my nearside passenger door, and an >>>>> accident with superglue I wanted corrected. Had the car detailed a [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > surface.Detailing includes using a better wash technique, and that > means swirls are not put back on the car. OK. > What is ironic though, is that a detailed car is MUCH easier and > quicker to clean, even though people like yourself assume it takes > longer. I've made no such assumption. I'm well aware that the smoother the surface the easier it is to clean and polish. >>>>>> I had some paint overspray on my nearside passenger door, and an >>>>>> accident with superglue I wanted corrected. Had the car detailed a [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > I've made no such assumption. I'm well aware that the smoother the surface > the easier it is to clean and polish. In that case, you understand why 'detailing' make sense - detailing makes one think of cleaning engine bays etc, but just a couple of extra steps makes a big difference. Why don't you do the following ... Run a finger over your bonnet - feel how rough it is. Buy the Megiuars clay kit from Halfords 'Clay' the car after washing Stand back and be amazed at the finish Run your finger over it - it will be smooth as glass. Washing, drying and polishing/waxing will be much easier. -- MrBitsy >>>>>>> I had some paint overspray on my nearside passenger door, and an >>>>>>> accident with superglue I wanted corrected. Had the car [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Run your finger over it - it will be smooth as glass. Washing, drying > and polishing/waxing will be much easier. Because it's not my car and I won't be keeping it for very long. > Because it's not my car and I won't be keeping it for very long. Just because it's poverty spec motability, doesn't mean you can't look after it and treat it as your own. Unless your one of those people who shows no respect for other people's property - In this case, the owner being a lease company paid by the tax payer. >> Because it's not my car and I won't be keeping it for very long. > > Just because it's poverty spec motability, doesn't mean you can't look > after it and treat it as your own. So not "detailing" it as Ray has done is failing to look after it is it? > Unless your one of those people who > shows no respect for other people's property - In this case, the owner > being a lease company paid by the tax payer. As always, you have to invent a trait in someone and then use it as a basis for a personal attack. You really do need to see your doctor. >> Because it's not my car and I won't be keeping it for very long. > > Just because it's poverty spec motability, doesn't mean you can't look > after it and treat it as your own. Unless your one of those people who > shows no respect for other people's property - In this case, the owner > being a lease company paid by the tax payer. My car before last was a motability 206 XSi - and was washed weekly and waxed fortnightly and treated as well as the Clio V6 I owned outright afterwards :-) It was, in effect, my car and what people saw me driving. SignatureDan Clio R27 F1 #65 >>> Because it's not my car and I won't be keeping it for very long. >> Just because it's poverty spec motability, doesn't mean you can't look [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > waxed fortnightly and treated as well as the Clio V6 I owned outright > afterwards :-) It was, in effect, my car and what people saw me driving. Thank you. That is the correct answer. > >>> Because it's not my car and I won't be keeping it for very long. > >> Just because it's poverty spec motability, doesn't mean you can't look [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Thank you. That is the correct answer. Paying the Poles a fiver each week is good enough to present the right image of having a clean car. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >>>>> Because it's not my car and I won't be keeping it for very long. >>>> Just because it's poverty spec motability, doesn't mean you can't look [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Paying the Poles a fiver each week is good enough to present the right > image of having a clean car. Probably. >> >>> Because it's not my car and I won't be keeping it for very long. >> >> Just because it's poverty spec motability, doesn't mean you can't look [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Paying the Poles a fiver each week is good enough to present the right > image of having a clean car. You pay people to scratch the hell out of your car? At the supermarket this morning, I saw yet another cloth dropped on the ground and put straight back on the car. -- MrBitsy >> Paying the Poles a fiver each week is good enough to present the >> right image of having a clean car. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > At the supermarket this morning, I saw yet another cloth dropped on > the ground and put straight back on the car. go somewhere else then. The one I used to use was great until the owner sold it on, now I use a different one. When car is not filthy I just go to a coinop jetwash and use the final rinse program to get rid of the muck, followed by an air dry. When it's bad I'll go to our immigrant powered wash service which is very good, doesn't miss bits, does the sills and boot and door recesses etc, then drive home and finish it with a coat of Meguires NXT. It can be months before it's bad enough to need more than a quick blast with a jetwash again. >>> Paying the Poles a fiver each week is good enough to present the >>> right image of having a clean car. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Meguires NXT. It can be months before it's bad enough to need more than a > quick blast with a jetwash again. I bet you have spent more on others washing your car, than I have having it machine detailed once. -- MrBitsy > > go somewhere else then. The one I used to use was great until the owner > > sold it on, now I use a different one. When car is not filthy I just go to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I bet you have spent more on others washing your car, than I have having it > machine detailed once. Maybe, but I get a clean car, without getting wet / dirty at least once a week. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >> > go somewhere else then. The one I used to use was great until the owner >> > sold it on, now I use a different one. When car is not filthy I just go [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Maybe, but I get a clean car, without getting wet / dirty at least once > a week. I have a cleaner car and spent less money getting it. Perhaps I'll put the money saved on a new set of alloys and tyres? -- MrBitsy. > > Maybe, but I get a clean car, without getting wet / dirty at least once > > a week. > > I have a cleaner car and spent less money getting it. Perhaps I'll put the > money saved on a new set of alloys and tyres? Well, good for you. But, safety critical items should surely be first on the list for an Advanced Driver? SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > I have a cleaner car and spent less money getting it. Perhaps I'll put > the money saved on a new set of alloys and tyres? Why replace the alloys? > "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Why replace the alloys? The Rover is fitted with 15 inch wheels that I think look too small for the car - a lot of empty space above them. Fitting 17 inch alloys will make the car look better IMHO, plus I will be able to fit tyres to improve the handling and GRIP. -- MrBitsy > > "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like > > they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > car look better IMHO, plus I will be able to fit tyres to improve the > handling and GRIP. Decent 15" tyres would do the job equally as well and quite possibly be better for the ride and handling than 17" wheels with grippy tyres. You're entirely motivated by image and don't appear to give a flying f.ck about safety. All this from a self-proclaimed 'advanced driver'. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >> > "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, >> > sounding much like [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > All this from a self-proclaimed 'advanced driver'. I could be mistaken, but I've always had a sneaking suspicion that Ray took his training for certificates to give him bragging rights. He does seem to belabour the point in arguments like this. AFAIR there are others in the uk.rec.car groups with similar qualifications that don't use the fact to add weight to their arguments. Mike. >> You're entirely motivated by image and don't appear to give a flying >> f.ck about safety. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I could be mistaken, but I've always had a sneaking suspicion that Ray > took his training for certificates to give him bragging rights. I don't think so - I think he did it because that was what he wanted to do. It was his hobby/hobby horse at the time - but now there's not much new for him, so he's moved onto shiny cars. It'll be interesting to see how far down there he goes - I see the question of modding has popped up already. OTOH I also think he has bought into their belief system rather too much, just as he does with other things, eg "detailing". Trouble is he's not terribly good at independent thinking, so will tend to follow/believe what people say. IAM/Rospa won't really talk about tyres, so they're not on his radar. The big wheels thing will have come from hanging aroung too many detailing forums. > He does seem to belabour the point in arguments like this. I think he genuinely believes in what the IAM/Rospa have given him. cheers, clive > OTOH I also think he has bought into their belief system rather too much, > just as he does with other things, eg "detailing". Belief system? I was unhappy with the swirls on the car, looked through the web, found out machine polishing could remove them then had them removed. I stand next to the car and have the evidence the car has a deeper shine and it is easier to look after. -- MrBitsy > > OTOH I also think he has bought into their belief system rather too much, > > just as he does with other things, eg "detailing". [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the car and have the evidence the car has a deeper shine and it is easier to > look after. That'll be comforting to anyone you may hit because you spent your limited resources on polishing rather than proper tyres. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE > That'll be comforting to anyone you may hit because you spent your > limited resources on polishing rather than proper tyres. would these improper tyres he has fitted be non compliant with current safety regulations? SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com > > That'll be comforting to anyone you may hit because you spent your > > limited resources on polishing rather than proper tyres. > > > would these improper tyres he has fitted be non compliant with current > safety regulations? Safety regulations don't test for levels of grip. They test for construction. Many products which comply with safety regulations aren't fit for the purpose, in just the same way that many products which don't pass regulatory tests are superior to those which do. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE > Many products which comply with safety regulations aren't fit for the > purpose, in just the same way that many products which don't pass > regulatory tests are superior to those which do. Yup, a few years ago the local garage recommended replacing the Avons on the Land Rover will some no-name East European tyres that were "just as good." Looking at them they certainly looked like good clones of the Avons. The first week that I had them on, I coudl feel the rear end step out even at speeds as low as 30mph on bends that I had taken at 50 with the Avons on. I thought maybe it was "new tyre syndrome" but after a month it didn't get any better, in fact it got a lot worse. After a nasty experience on an airfield runway when it proved difficult to control the Landy at anything other than a crawl I swapped back to new Avons. >> Many products which comply with safety regulations aren't fit >> for the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > to new > Avons. I had a similar experience with a pair of tyres I fitted to my SD1 Vitesse. Money was a little tight at the time so on the recommendation of the tyre shop I had a pair of Euro,something, remoulds fitted. Supposed to be similar to Colways. Right spec, speed etc, but they were lethal. Very poor grip, and noisy as hell. Squealed on every bend and corner, and made the car quite unnerving to drive. After a couple of weeks and a 1000 miles later, said to hell with the cost and dumped them, for a decent pair at over double the price. Mike. "Mike G" <metier@largefoot.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> Many products which comply with safety regulations aren't fit for the >>> purpose, in just the same way that many products which don't pass >>> regulatory tests are superior to those which do. >> Yup, a few years ago the local garage recommended replacing the Avons >> on [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> control the Landy at anything other than a crawl I swapped back to new >> Avons. > I had a similar experience with a pair of tyres I fitted to my SD1 > Vitesse. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 1000 miles later, said to hell with the cost and dumped them, for a > decent pair at over double the price. MOT time for my first CX, and two of the Michs were a little tread- challenged. Payday wasn't for another week, but I'd got a pair of wheels with near-new tread Kumhos in the lockup. Onto the front they went, down to the test centre, new certificate. Next day, it was raining. The first roundabout I came to, it just squeeled and went straight on. Somebody had replaced the front wheels with castors and a soundtrack straight out of a '70s American film car chase. Back to the lockup, bald Michs back on, and steering was restored. When I bought the Xant that my old man's now got, it had a pair of RoadHogs on the front. It was _horrible_ to drive - so bad, I wasn't going to buy it, until I looked at the tyres. A pair of Avons transformed it. >> > OTOH I also think he has bought into their belief system rather too >> > much, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > That'll be comforting to anyone you may hit because you spent your > limited resources on polishing rather than proper tyres. Limited resources? -- MrBitsy > > That'll be comforting to anyone you may hit because you spent your > > limited resources on polishing rather than proper tyres. > > Limited resources? Yes, isn't the Rover on pikey finance? SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >> > That'll be comforting to anyone you may hit because you spent your >> > limited resources on polishing rather than proper tyres. >> >> Limited resources? > > Yes, isn't the Rover on pikey finance? Whether it is or not, salary will have a bearing on the matter. -- MrBitsy >>> > That'll be comforting to anyone you may hit because you >>> > spent your [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Whether it is or not, salary will have a bearing on the matter. I think you mean will _not_ have a bearing on the matter. I agree. It's irrelevant, but I think I would still have replaced the tyres as soon as I could afford to, instead of spending the available money on a cosmetic improvement. Mike. "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> > That'll be comforting to anyone you may hit because you spent your >>> > limited resources on polishing rather than proper tyres. >>> Limited resources? >> Yes, isn't the Rover on pikey finance? > Whether it is or not, salary will have a bearing on the matter. I thought you said your resources were unlimited...? "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> That'll be comforting to anyone you may hit because you spent your >> limited resources on polishing rather than proper tyres. > Limited resources? Your resources are unlimited? Cool. Can I borrow a couple of grand? You won't miss it, since your resources are unlimited. >"MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like >they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Your resources are unlimited? Cool. Can I borrow a couple of grand? You >won't miss it, since your resources are unlimited. Borrowing money is a bit pikey, isn't it, Adrienne? >>"MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like >>they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Borrowing money is a bit pikey, isn't it, Adrienne? Depends on how much you borrow... A couple of grand *is* a bit pikey, but borrow a couple of billion and you're considered a financial genius. > >>"MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like > >>they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > but borrow a couple of billion and you're considered a financial > genius. How about paying 19.9% APR on a 4 year old Rover? SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >> >>"MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like >> >>they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >How about paying 19.9% APR on a 4 year old Rover? Personally, one would not contemplate paying *any* form of interest on a petty-cash item. >>>"MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like >>>they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >but borrow a couple of billion and you're considered a financial >genius. I suppose so. Until you have to pay it back. >>>>"MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like >>>>they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >I suppose so. Until you have to pay it back. Nah... Get it "right" and The Treasury will bail you out. :-) >>>>>"MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like >>>>>they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Nah... Get it "right" and The Treasury will bail you out. :-) Ah, you mean by using it to open a bank. Yes! "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> I have a cleaner car and spent less money getting it. Perhaps I'll put >>> the money saved on a new set of alloys and tyres? >> Why replace the alloys? > The Rover is fitted with 15 inch wheels that I think look too small for > the car - a lot of empty space above them. Fitting 17 inch alloys will > make the car look better IMHO, plus I will be able to fit tyres to > improve the handling and GRIP. I thought the ride was something you valued highly, and that it already had more than enough grip for your purposes - even on TeflonFreds? > "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I thought the ride was something you valued highly, and that it already > had more than enough grip for your purposes - even on TeflonFreds? He's fallen into the modders / detailers myth that bigger wheels = more grip. Sounds like a mid-life crisis to me. If the Rover wasn't on a long-ish and expensive finance deal, I reckon he'd be trading it in for a coupe or rag-top. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >> "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like >> they were saying: >He's fallen into the modders / detailers myth that bigger wheels = more >grip. Ahh, the "Executive Cortina" syndrome ... The broader your tyres the bigger your cock. >Sounds like a mid-life crisis to me. If the Rover wasn't on a long-ish >and expensive finance deal, I reckon he'd be trading it in for a coupe >or rag-top. Derek. > He's fallen into the modders / detailers myth that bigger wheels = more > grip. Indeed. My Capper is running on standard 13" Laser alloys with 185/70's on. Got some decent tyres on and I cannot make the damned thing go sideways on roundabouts now. SignatureConor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> He's fallen into the modders / detailers myth that bigger wheels = more >> grip. >> > Indeed. My Capper is running on standard 13" Laser alloys with 185/70's > on. Got some decent tyres on and I cannot make the damned thing go > sideways on roundabouts now. As a sweeping statement though - in good conditions wider tyres give more grip - and bigger wheels usually come with wider tyres (or at least, mine always have). SignatureDan Clio R27 F1 #65 > >> He's fallen into the modders / detailers myth that bigger wheels = more > >> grip. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > grip - and bigger wheels usually come with wider tyres (or at least, mine > always have). Not true, even as a sweeping statement. It all depends on how the wheels / tyres are matched to the suspension. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >> >> He's fallen into the modders / detailers myth that bigger wheels = >> >> more [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > It all depends on how the wheels / tyres are matched to the suspension. Whenever I've swapped to wider tyres, the amount of grip has gone up significantly. Whenever I've swapped to bigger wheels, they've taken lower profile, wider tyres. I can't comment on a Rover 75 though I must admit. SignatureDan Clio R27 F1 #65 > > Not true, even as a sweeping statement. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > significantly. Whenever I've swapped to bigger wheels, they've taken lower > profile, wider tyres. I can't comment on a Rover 75 though I must admit. Same pattern / tread compound tyre? Surely, if this were nearly always a true statement, F1 cars would be running 19s ;-) Anyway, there's often a perception of more grip at the expense of quicker break-away getting towards the limits, which means most of it is in your mind, rather than a fact. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >>> He's fallen into the modders / detailers myth that bigger wheels = more >>> grip. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > grip - and bigger wheels usually come with wider tyres (or at least, mine > always have). Low profile tyres make a massive difference to wheel rate mind. My MK2 went from being fairly alright riding to pretty hard just by dropping from 185/65/14s to 195/50/15s. It's only half an inch or so less sidewall but it's a big difference. "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > I bet you have spent more on others washing your car, than I have having > it machine detailed once. How much did the full detail cost? "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Run a finger over your bonnet - feel how rough it is. Odd you should mention that... I just did run a hand over a Dyane bonnet outside. Silky smooth. Felt absolutely gorgeous. So I slapped some red lead oxide over it with a brush. Sod's law - It started to rain as I was two-thirds of the way through. Still, it'll do. It's just about gone nicely matt now. Another coat, and it can go on the van. > In that case, you understand why 'detailing' make sense - detailing makes > one think of cleaning engine bays etc, but just a couple of extra steps > makes a big difference. Why don't you do the following ... Isn't "detailing" just a word used by the bloke you paid to mean "fancy cleaning"? Ian > > In that case, you understand why 'detailing' make sense - detailing makes > > one think of cleaning engine bays etc, but just a couple of extra steps > > makes a big difference. Why don't you do the following ... > > Isn't "detailing" just a word used by the bloke you paid to mean > "fancy cleaning"? 'Cleaning for people with obsessive compulsive disorders' HTH. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >> > In that case, you understand why 'detailing' make sense - detailing >> > makes [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > 'Cleaning for people with obsessive compulsive disorders' You know about tyres, but sod all about car cleaning. -- MrBitsy > >> > In that case, you understand why 'detailing' make sense - detailing > >> > makes [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You know about tyres, but sod all about car cleaning. I know enough to have 3 respectably clean cars and 3 shiny motorbikes in my fleet. I really can't be arsed with 'detailing' - cars are for driving, not polishing. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >> >> > In that case, you understand why 'detailing' make sense - detailing >> >> > makes [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I really can't be arsed with 'detailing' - cars are for driving, not > polishing. Good on you - you know what you want and you do it that way - you won't find me criticising your choice, but I do wonder why you have to criticise those who want the best finish they can get? -- MrBitsy > > I really can't be arsed with 'detailing' - cars are for driving, not > > polishing. > > Good on you - you know what you want and you do it that way - you won't find > me criticising your choice, but I do wonder why you have to criticise those > who want the best finish they can get? I wouldn't have done, until I spotted that you've spent HFM!? on 'detailing', yet are driving around on tyres which shouldn't be offered for sale in the UK. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >> > I really can't be arsed with 'detailing' - cars are for driving, not >> > polishing. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I wouldn't have done, until I spotted that you've spent HFM!? How much did I spend? -- MrBitsy >> I wouldn't have done, until I spotted that you've spent HFM!? > > How much did I spend? Minimum 200 quid, unless the guy's got no business sense whatsoever. How close am I? >>> I wouldn't have done, until I spotted that you've spent HFM!? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > How close am I? Very close - now look up too see how much it would cost to purchased a machine polisher, together with the products to use on the car - heres a link. http://tiny.cc/yEbiV I decided to get a pro to do the work. -- MrBitsy "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> I wouldn't have done, until I spotted that you've spent HFM!? > How much did I spend? Considering he spent a day's labour, at least £60 on diesel, and christ alone knows how much on materials - you spent more than a new set of decent brand tyres. Ah - his website says "£250-450" for a "bespoke detail". Plus, I presume, travelling costs for the 400 mile round trip. <looks at pics of Camacs, notes size, checks> Blackcircles lists 195/65 15 v-rated Goodyear NCT5s for £53 each, fitted/valved/balanced. > Good on you - you know what you want and you do it that way - you won't find > me criticising your choice, but I do wonder why you have to criticise those > who want the best finish they can get? I don't think you're being "criticized" on the whole. More "looked at with dropping jaw" and, erm, "laughed at". Ian > I really can't be arsed with 'detailing' - cars are for driving, not > polishing. But it is ok to detail a fragile old bike? SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com > > I really can't be arsed with 'detailing' - cars are for driving, not > > polishing. > > > But it is ok to detail a fragile old bike? Erm, I didn't 'detail' it. I washed it, threw a bucket of water over it, leathered it off and polished it with whatever polish I found in the garage. Took me all of 20-30 minutes. Hardly 'detailing', is it? - and it probably cost me about 50p to do. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE > "SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message > > 'Cleaning for people with obsessive compulsive disorders' > > You know about tyres, but sod all about car cleaning. Is there an "Institute of Advanced Car Cleaners"? Aspiring members would wash their cars under supervision of a fellow member, and practice giving a commentary while doing so. Then, when they were ready, they would do a clean under the watchful eye of a police Class 1 car cleaner, again with commentary. Ian MrBitsy explained : >>> > In that case, you understand why 'detailing' make sense - detailing >>> makes [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You know about tyres, but sod all about car cleaning. Is the car not there to serve you, rather than your purpose in life be to serve the car? It's a facility or an appliance, just like a washing machine or a vacuum cleaner. Do you also spend time 'detailing' your vacuum cleaner? SignatureRegards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk > MrBitsy explained : >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > It's a facility or an appliance, just like a washing machine or a vacuum > cleaner. Do you also spend time 'detailing' your vacuum cleaner? Yes, we like to keep our appliances clean - are yours covered with dirt? -- MrBitsy >> MrBitsy explained : >>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Yes, we like to keep our appliances clean - are yours covered with > dirt? Is there nothing in between being highly "detailed" and "covered in dirt"? "MrBitsy" <ray.keattch@nowhere.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> It's a facility or an appliance, just like a washing machine or a >> vacuum cleaner. Do you also spend time 'detailing' your vacuum cleaner? > Yes, we like to keep our appliances clean - are yours covered with dirt? I can safely say that I've never cleaned my hoover - and I don't think I'd want to meet anybody who does clean theirs regularly. > I can safely say that I've never cleaned my hoover - and I don't think > I'd want to meet anybody who does clean theirs regularly. I once saw a forum witha photo guide to detailing a dyson, along with the proper tools to use (crevice brushes and long swabs etc), google is bound to help you find it because I can't be arsed. SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com > > I can safely say that I've never cleaned my hoover - and I don't think > > I'd want to meet anybody who does clean theirs regularly. > > > I once saw a forum witha photo guide to detailing a dyson, along with > the proper tools to use (crevice brushes and long swabs etc), google is > bound to help you find it because I can't be arsed. Yes, I saw that. ISTR it was ripping the piss out of the kind of people who 'detail' their cars. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >>Is the car not there to serve you, rather than your purpose in life be to >>serve the car? >>It's a facility or an appliance, just like a washing machine or a vacuum >>cleaner. Do you also spend time 'detailing' your vacuum cleaner? http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=38692&highlight=dyson > >>Is the car not there to serve you, rather than your purpose in life be to > >>serve the car? > >>It's a facility or an appliance, just like a washing machine or a vacuum > >>cleaner. Do you also spend time 'detailing' your vacuum cleaner? > > http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=38692&highligh... Good heavens. An entire website for male virgins. Ian >> http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=38692&highligh... >>Good heavens. An entire website for male virgins. >>Ian Seen it before - he has a wife!!!! > >>http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=38692&highligh... > >>Good heavens. An entire website for male virgins. > >>Ian > > Seen it before - he has a wife!!!! Bet she's inflatable. Ian >> > In that case, you understand why 'detailing' make sense - detailing >> > makes [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > HTH. It's a system of getting money out of your pocket and into someone elses. It's no different to car audio, hifi or cameras IMO. They're all trying to convince you that you need to have the best possible whatever widget so you can have the best sound / best photos / shiniest car and to get a load of cash out of you. Take cameras as an example - I'm looking at a compact camera with an IS lense that's equivalent to 28-280mm. Just the lenses alone for my old film SLR would cost 3 or 4 times what the compact costs alone, and would be fecking huge. That still doesn't stop people wanting such things for amateur use. I'm not saying the detailing stuff doesn't work - I clayed the bonnet of my 406 the other day, as the car hadn't been washed much at all before I got my hands on it, and there was a lot of stuff that just *wouldn't* wash off, but there is a limit to what is sane. OTOH a lot of the detailing stuff is bull - I polish with normal compounds that a paint shop would use, rather than the silly expensive stuff you can buy. It is worthwhile to wash and wax a car - every car I've had that has had *serious* neglect in the washing department has had knackered paint - the Golf simply wouldn't take a shine for any period of time, even after compounding, and the ZX has stuff so well stuck to the paint that getting it off would mean taking chunks of paint off with it. In the end, aiming to have a swirl free, mint daily driver is a bit daft. You might as well drive something that looks alright to a normal person and has a decent coat of wax on it, and you won't be heart broken when you stuff it through a hedge / someone drives into you or it gets stonechipped to hell. "Doki" <mrdoki@gmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > It's a system of getting money out of your pocket and into someone > elses. It's no different to car audio, hifi or cameras IMO. They're all > trying to convince you that you need to have the best possible whatever > widget so you can have the best sound / best photos / shiniest car and > to get a load of cash out of you. > I'm not saying the detailing stuff doesn't work - I clayed the bonnet of > my 406 the other day Blu-tak does _just_ as good a job as expensive clay, I'm told. > "Doki" <mrdoki@gmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Blu-tak does _just_ as good a job as expensive clay, I'm told. Here is the clay I used - http://tiny.cc/Krz8C Hardly expensive considering how much the paintwork is improved. Notice that is the cheapest clay on the site. -- MrBitsy > > "Doki" <mrdoki@gmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > > saying: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > how much the paintwork is improved. Notice that is the cheapest clay on the > site. Ray, how much of a car will one 3oz bar do? I'm selling the wife's "gas guzzler" (i.e. Mondeo) soon and if £7 and a bit of elbow grease will shine it up nicely then I might just do it. At night so the neighbours don't see ;-) > Ray, how much of a car will one 3oz bar do? Depends how bad your paint is. The clay is worked into a disk and rubbed over lubricated paint. When the clay surface is dirty, the clay is kneeded/folded then shaped into a disk again. This is repeated until you can longer get a clean clay surface. It is imperative the paint surface is kept lubricated, so I would recommend the Meguiars Clay Kit - it comes with two clay bars and the lubricator spray (Also fantastic for misting and wiping the paint after a wash/dry, to get rid of smears and water spots. Give the car a thorough wash and dry, then feel the paint surface - it will probably feel rough under the fingertips so will benefit from a clay. After claying, the paint will be as smooth as glass, making polishing a hell of a lot easier. > I'm selling the wife's "gas guzzler" (i.e. Mondeo) soon and if £7 and a > bit > of elbow grease will shine it up nicely then I might just do it. At night > so > the neighbours don't see ;-) £7 plus the lubricator spray (detail spray). The Meguiars kit is around £21 at Hafords (or online http://tiny.cc/BvOZZ for great service). This kit has the spray, two clay bars, cloth and sample wax. You could start on the bonnet by claying half of it, then applying the sample wax to see the difference. Of course, you would need to do a couple more steps to get the shine looking its best, but the clay and free wax is a good start! -- MrBitsy > > Ray, how much of a car will one 3oz bar do? > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > more steps to get the shine looking its best, but the clay and free wax is a > good start! Cheers Ray, I think I'll give it a go. >>> > In that case, you understand why 'detailing' make sense - detailing >>> > makes [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > you can have the best sound / best photos / shiniest car and to get a load > of cash out of you. I can agree with you for the casual buyer who walks into a shop and goes for the buttons, equalizers and the like. My son purchased a hi fi that looks like something a soldier would carry, yet to my ears sounds shite. If you want great pictures, but don't know about cameras, then a good salesman could convince you of anything. > Take cameras as an example - I'm looking at a compact camera with an IS > lense that's equivalent to 28-280mm. Just the lenses alone for my old film > SLR would cost 3 or 4 times what the compact costs alone, and would be > fecking huge. That still doesn't stop people wanting such things for > amateur use. Well, you use the phrase 'compact camera', so that is what you will be looking for. One of my hobbies is photography, especially woodland birds, so I required an SLR with long lens. As an informed amature, I went for good equipment with good value for money. I could easily have spent several thousand pounds, but found a Canon digital camera plus sigma lens gives me great quality within my budget. I also love all types of music. For ages I spent time in listening rooms, trying out amplifiers, speakers and the like. Again, it is possible to spend tens of thousands of pounds, yet I found a combination of products that give me beautifull quality for around £1500. A lot of money for music to many people, but I have had that system for several years and listen to it every day. > I'm not saying the detailing stuff doesn't work - I clayed the bonnet of > my 406 the other day, as the car hadn't been washed much at all before I > got my hands on it, and there was a lot of stuff that just *wouldn't* wash > off, but there is a limit to what is sane. Sane means different things to defferent people of course :-) To some people, 'claying' the car is already going too far, yet many of them may smoke for example - I would call them insane for wasting money on tobacco! > OTOH a lot of the detailing stuff is bull - I polish with normal compounds > that a paint shop would use, rather than the silly expensive stuff you can [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > compounding, and the ZX has stuff so well stuck to the paint that getting > it off would mean taking chunks of paint off with it. I personally wouldn't want to own a car with poor paintwork. Neglected paint will normally come back with a machine polish if hand polishing fails. I agree there is silly expensive stuff to buy. Take wax for example - available from around £20 to several hundred pounds per tin. Dimishing returns comes in to play of course with a big jump in performance from £20 to £40, but a very small improvement after that. For my colour car I have found a £20 wax to be superb. Again, it comes down to being informed about the products and not just going for the dearest. > In the end, aiming to have a swirl free, mint daily driver is a bit daft. > You might as well drive something that looks alright to a normal person > and has a decent coat of wax on it, and you won't be heart broken when you > stuff it through a hedge / someone drives into you or it gets stonechipped > to hell. We have all had old bangers and nice cars - I bet we were all heart broken when our old banger got a scratch on it :-) I am 46 and this is the first car I have had machine polished - I want a car with paintwork in very good condition. I am realistic and know there are scratches to come in car parks and the like, but I personally am not going to have faded paintwork waiting for it :-) You are happy with your cleaning routine and you won't find me knocking you for it - I am not a snob who looks down his nose at cars with less than a perfect shine. The products I have purchased don't cost anymore than what you will find in Halfords, apart from the wax - for £20 I will be able to wax the car around 20 times. As waxing only needs doing 3 monthly, that isn't bad value. It comes down to being informed about the products you require. -- MrBitsy > One of my hobbies is photography, especially woodland birds Why doesn't this surprise me? SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE >> One of my hobbies is photography, especially woodland birds > > Why doesn't this surprise me? Is there anything you DO like? I like photography Music Flying Let me guess at yours Smoking Boozing Bingo -- MrBitsy > >> One of my hobbies is photography, especially woodland birds > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Smoking Check. > Boozing Check. > Bingo Nah, that's for Nothern fucktards. Photography, music (playing and listening), riding fast motorbikes, track days, cycling, rugby, football, hockey, cricket. (Haven't been able to play too much rugby, football or hockey since I had my knee op, though) SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE |
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