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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / Driving (UK group) / May 2008Has anyone noticed driving trends changing with the high price of fuel
I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver had one hand on the steering wheel and one on the whip. >I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver had one >hand on the steering wheel and one on the whip. That would be Max Mosley.  SignatureIan D > I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver had one > hand on the steering wheel and one on the whip. On a more serious note, I've noticed a large upsurge in Really Slow Drivers - people doing 40 mph on the motorway. Seriously dangerous. Signature"Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain and presumptuous desire for a second one." [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk] >> I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver had one >> hand on the steering wheel and one on the whip. > >On a more serious note, I've noticed a large upsurge in Really Slow Drivers - >people doing 40 mph on the motorway. Seriously dangerous. So what's the minimum speed limit on motorways? >>> I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver had one >>> hand on the steering wheel and one on the whip. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > So what's the minimum speed limit on motorways? This woman was banned from driving when going at speeds lower than 10mph on the motorway so that must be the minimum . http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/7171154.stm >>> I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver had one >>> hand on the steering wheel and one on the whip. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So what's the minimum speed limit on motorways? I'd suggest that where traffic , weather and other conditions permit , you should be doing at least 50mph. There is obviously no explicitly stated minimum speed for all motorways but driving too slowly could easily be grounds for a charge of driving without due care and attention SignatureAlex "I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away" >>>> I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver >>>> had one hand on the steering wheel and one on the whip. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > motorways but driving too slowly could easily be grounds for a charge > of driving without due care and attention AIUI vehicles incapable of exceeding 30mph are prohibited from motorways (based on the fact that that was what the average 50cc moped could achieve at one time anything smaller being banned) but I've not found any doucumentary evidence to support it. "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng02@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > AIUI vehicles incapable of exceeding 30mph are prohibited from motorways > (based on the fact that that was what the average 50cc moped could > achieve at one time anything smaller being banned) but I've not found > any doucumentary evidence to support it. HC253 Prohibited vehicles. Motorways MUST NOT be used by pedestrians, holders of provisional motorcycle or car licences, riders of motorcycles under 50 cc, cyclists, horse riders, certain slow-moving vehicles and those carrying oversized loads (except by special permission), agricultural vehicles, and powered wheelchairs/powered mobility scooters (see Rules 36-46 incl). [Laws HA 1980 sects 16, 17 & sch 4, MT(E&W)R regs 3(d), 4 & 11, MT(E&W)(A) R, R(S)A sects 7, 8 & sch 3, RTRA sects 17(2) & (3), & MT(S)R reg 10] > "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng02@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding > much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > MT(E&W)(A) R, R(S)A sects 7, 8 & sch 3, RTRA sects 17(2) & (3), & > MT(S)R reg 10] Indeed, but it doesn't tell us the minimum motorway speed. "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng02@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> AIUI vehicles incapable of exceeding 30mph are prohibited from >>> motorways (based on the fact that that was what the average 50cc moped >>> could achieve at one time anything smaller being banned) but I've not >>> found any doucumentary evidence to support it. >> HC253 >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> MT(E&W)(A) R, R(S)A sects 7, 8 & sch 3, RTRA sects 17(2) & (3), & >> MT(S)R reg 10] > Indeed, but it doesn't tell us the minimum motorway speed. That's because there isn't one. I was merely replying to your statement that you couldn't find any documentary evidence of what vehicles were barred from motorways. > "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng02@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding > much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > I was merely replying to your statement that you couldn't find any > documentary evidence of what vehicles were barred from motorways. That's not what I said. The bit about barred vehicles was in parenthesis. "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng02@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>>>> AIUI vehicles incapable of exceeding 30mph are prohibited from >>>>> motorways (based on the fact that that was what the average 50cc >>>>> moped could achieve at one time anything smaller being banned) but >>>>> I've not found any doucumentary evidence to support it. >>>> HC253 >>>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>>> MT(E&W)(A) R, R(S)A sects 7, 8 & sch 3, RTRA sects 17(2) & (3), & >>>> MT(S)R reg 10] >>> Indeed, but it doesn't tell us the minimum motorway speed. >> That's because there isn't one. >> >> I was merely replying to your statement that you couldn't find any >> documentary evidence of what vehicles were barred from motorways. > That's not what I said. The bit about barred vehicles was in > parenthesis. FFS, Brim, your bit is quoted. It's clear to see what you wrote. Don't go all Duhg on us. > "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng02@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding > much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > FFS, Brim, your bit is quoted. It's clear to see what you wrote. Indeed and it's not worth arguing about since you're agreeing with me. > Don't go all Duhg on us. There's no need to be THAT f.cking rude!! :-) >> "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng02@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding >> much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > There's no need to be THAT f.cking rude!! :-) Shhhh don't mention Duhg, got him kill filed on transport which has made it useless to read as they are all from him and everybody replies, don't want this ng to go the same way SignatureCorporal Jones "I don't like it up me" > > Huge wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > driving too slowly could easily be grounds for a charge of driving without > due care and attention I imagine it would really piss of the truck drivers too. Graham >>>> I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver had >>>> one [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > but driving too slowly could easily be grounds for a charge of driving > without due care and attention In the states they, very sensibly, have some minimum limits don't they? SignatureDan Clio R27 F1 #65 >>>>> I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver had >>>>> one [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >In the states they, very sensibly, have some minimum limits don't they? Yes, on most Interstates. >>>> I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver had one >>>> hand on the steering wheel and one on the whip. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >driving too slowly could easily be grounds for a charge of driving without >due care and attention Or perhaps an excess of care and attention? > >> I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver had one > >> hand on the steering wheel and one on the whip. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > So what's the minimum speed limit on motorways? Any vehicles not capable of doing 50MPH are banned. People have been prosecuted for driving without due care and attention for doing 40 on a free flowing motorway. SignatureConor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> >> I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver had one >> >> hand on the steering wheel and one on the whip. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >prosecuted for driving without due care and attention for doing 40 on a >free flowing motorway. In which lane? > >> >> I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver had one > >> >> hand on the steering wheel and one on the whip. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > In which lane? Lane 1. SignatureConor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> >> >> I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver had one >> >> >> hand on the steering wheel and one on the whip. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >Lane 1. Have any lorry drivers been prosecuted for tailgating people in lane 1? > Have any lorry drivers been prosecuted for tailgating people in lane > 1? Quite probably. SignatureConor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >>>> I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver >>>> had one hand on the steering wheel and one on the whip. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > prosecuted for driving without due care and attention for doing 40 on > a free flowing motorway. Accepting what you say, but do you know if there is a legal minimum? "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng02@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> So what's the minimum speed limit on motorways? >> Any vehicles not capable of doing 50MPH are banned. People have been >> prosecuted for driving without due care and attention for doing 40 on a >> free flowing motorway. > Accepting what you say, but do you know if there is a legal minimum? I wouldn't accept it, because it's wrong. It's _perfectly_ legal to drive a vehicle not capable of 50mph on the motorway. Those vehicles which are banned are clearly listed in the HC (and this thread) - and there's no mention of a minimum top speed of 50mph. The nearest there is is "certain slow-moving vehicles", without actually reading the laws referenced by HC. > "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng02@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding > much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I wouldn't accept it, because it's wrong. It's _perfectly_ legal to > drive a vehicle not capable of 50mph on the motorway. Indeed, but according to Conor the person wasn't nicked for going too slow. > Those vehicles > which are banned are clearly listed in the HC (and this thread) - and > there's no mention of a minimum top speed of 50mph. The nearest there > is is "certain slow-moving vehicles", without actually reading the > laws referenced by HC. "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng02@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>>>> So what's the minimum speed limit on motorways? >>>> Any vehicles not capable of doing 50MPH are banned. People have been >>>> prosecuted for driving without due care and attention for doing 40 on >>>> a free flowing motorway. >>> Accepting what you say, but do you know if there is a legal minimum? >> I wouldn't accept it, because it's wrong. It's _perfectly_ legal to >> drive a vehicle not capable of 50mph on the motorway. > Indeed, but according to Conor the person wasn't nicked for going too > slow. ">>> Any vehicles not capable of doing 50MPH are banned." > "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng02@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding > much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > ">>> Any vehicles not capable of doing 50MPH are banned." Indeed, and:- ">>>> People have been >>>> prosecuted for driving without due care and attention for doing 40 on >>>> a free flowing motorway." > "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng02@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much > like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > ">>> Any vehicles not capable of doing 50MPH are banned." Still doesn't say what that person was nicked for. Graham Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Still doesn't say what that person was nicked for. DWDC&A. > > "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng02@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding > > much like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Indeed, but according to Conor the person wasn't nicked for going too slow. Correct - it's DWDCA SignatureConor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > I wouldn't accept it, because it's wrong. It's _perfectly_ legal to drive > a vehicle not capable of 50mph on the motorway. Those vehicles which are > banned are clearly listed in the HC (and this thread) - and there's no > mention of a minimum top speed of 50mph. The nearest there is is "certain > slow-moving vehicles", without actually reading the laws referenced by HC. So the vehicles which are banned are not clearly listed. The vehicles which are allowed are listed in HA 1980 sch 4: (v) in the case of a motor vehicle, that it is so constructed as to be capable of attaining a speed of 25 miles per hour on the level under its own power, when unladen and not drawing a trailer. > "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng02@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much > like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > mention of a minimum top speed of 50mph. The nearest there is is "certain > slow-moving vehicles", without actually reading the laws referenced by HC. I'm going on what was the last "Motorway Sign" I saw which listed who couldn't go on motorways and was placed at the start of the sliproad at Goole. SignatureConor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams > "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng02@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much > like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I wouldn't accept it, because it's wrong. It's _perfectly_ legal to drive > a vehicle not capable of 50mph on the motorway. Although kind of dumb. Signature"Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain and presumptuous desire for a second one." [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk] >> "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng02@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much >> like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Although kind of dumb. Why? > >> I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver had one > >> hand on the steering wheel and one on the whip. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > So what's the minimum speed limit on motorways? I don't think there is a minimum otherwise the government could make a mint in tickets everytime there was a jam. But I think a vehicle must be able to exceed 30mph and not be in a prohibited class, or something similar. SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com >> >> I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver had one >> >> hand on the steering wheel and one on the whip. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I don't think there is a minimum otherwise the government could make a >mint in tickets everytime there was a jam. The minimum, if any, would apply only in free-flowing traffic, as is the case in the US. >But I think a vehicle must be able to exceed 30mph and not be in a >prohibited class, or something similar. Probably. > The minimum, if any, would apply only in free-flowing traffic, as is > the case in the US. If a camera was deployed to catch drivers going to slow on the motorway, could it tell the difference between congestion and incompetance, and would be a waste of tax payer's money, using film, if it couldn't? SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com >> The minimum, if any, would apply only in free-flowing traffic, as is >> the case in the US. >> >If a camera was deployed to catch drivers going to slow on the motorway, >could it tell the difference between congestion and incompetance, and >would be a waste of tax payer's money, using film, if it couldn't? Probably. >>> I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver had one >>> hand on the steering wheel and one on the whip. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So what's the minimum speed limit on motorways? Ah. That depends on whether you're protesting against something. >I saw a car go past with two horses pulling it along. The driver had one > hand on the steering wheel and one on the whip. Ho ho! Do we still export live animals to the continent? If we did, perhaps the farmers could save on fuel by herding the cattle down the motorway to the docks and onto the ferry. |
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