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...in a car without a/c. Anyone got any good ones? > ...in a car without a/c. > > Anyone got any good ones? Use the scrapage scheme and get a car with a/c > ...in a car without a/c. > > Anyone got any good ones? Get a sun roof cut out,only a couple of hundred squids,the hot air that rises can escape much quicker,especially when you're moving. When I had my last car,if it was blazing hot,as soon as I opened the sun roof it was so much cooler. Bod > ...in a car without a/c. > > Anyone got any good ones? Buy a car with aircon.  SignatureAlex "I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away" >> ...in a car without a/c. >> >> Anyone got any good ones? > > Buy a car with aircon. Well, sure... But I also have a "classic" K-reg Defender to go to interesting places on weekends... so no mod cons, no a/c, no CD player! >>> ...in a car without a/c. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > But I also have a "classic" K-reg Defender to go to interesting places > on weekends... so no mod cons, no a/c, no CD player! In a Deafeaner, don't you still get to fold down the windscreen? >>> ...in a car without a/c. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > But I also have a "classic" K-reg Defender to go to interesting places > on weekends... so no mod cons, no a/c, no CD player! "Classic"? You have to laugh. Why do people put themselves through it? > > But I also have a "classic" K-reg Defender to go to interesting places > > on weekends... so no mod cons, no a/c, no CD player! > > "Classic"? You have to laugh. Why do people put themselves through it? Have you ever driven a Land Rover? >>> But I also have a "classic" K-reg Defender to go to interesting places >>> on weekends... so no mod cons, no a/c, no CD player! >> "Classic"? You have to laugh. Why do people put themselves through it? > > Have you ever driven a Land Rover? Yes. They are an agricultural vehicle in every respect. Noisy, slow, uncomfortable, etc. >>>> But I also have a "classic" K-reg Defender to go to interesting >>>> places on weekends... so no mod cons, no a/c, no CD player! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Yes. They are an agricultural vehicle in every respect. Noisy, slow, > uncomfortable, etc. And will pull a house down whilst travelling across country. Which is what they were designed to do, rather than for posing in Chelsea. >Which is what they were designed to do, rather than for posing in Chelsea. Defenders yes. The rest of the range will certainly take account of posing in Chelsea. SignatureMike Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine. >> Which is what they were designed to do, rather than for posing in Chelsea. > > Defenders yes. The rest of the range will certainly take account of > posing in Chelsea. Do they happen to make aircon available in Defenders? Bod >Do they happen to make aircon available in Defenders? I assume so, does it not get hot on farms or in deserts? SignatureMike Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine. >> Do they happen to make aircon available in Defenders? > > I assume so, does it not get hot on farms or in deserts? Aircon in cars in the UK is for wimps and wimps don't drive Defenders. >>> Do they happen to make aircon available in Defenders? >> I assume so, does it not get hot on farms or in deserts? > > Aircon in cars in the UK is for wimps and wimps don't drive Defenders. Strange, most Defenders I see get out of them are small feeble looking fellas,trying to look big. I've got aircon,so class me as a wimp (a cool wimp). Bod >> Aircon in cars in the UK is for wimps and wimps don't drive Defenders. >Strange, most Defenders I see get out of them are small feeble looking >fellas,trying to look big. > >I've got aircon,so class me as a wimp (a cool wimp). why would anyone think being comfortable and alert with unmisted windows "for wimps"? Is owning a fridge for wimps? SignatureMike Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine. >>> Aircon in cars in the UK is for wimps and wimps don't drive Defenders. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > why would anyone think being comfortable and alert with unmisted > windows "for wimps"? Is owning a fridge for wimps? Perhaps some peeps like the smell of sweat. :-) Bod >>> Do they happen to make aircon available in Defenders? >> >> I assume so, does it not get hot on farms or in deserts? > > Aircon in cars in the UK is for wimps and wimps don't drive Defenders. Oh dear, so I'm a wimp, am I? SWMBO likes the aircon! > Do they happen to make aircon available in Defenders? Yes, and since Defenders are just big Tonka Toys it can be retrofitted - for a price. > >Which is what they were designed to do, rather than for posing in Chelsea. > > Defenders yes. The rest of the range will certainly take account of > posing in Chelsea. Even Defenders are used as posemobiles in Chelsea (and elsewhere). I think the funniest that I have seen was a black Defender (high gloss) with chequerplate panels on the wings and sills, American pimpmobile style chrome side bars, chromed roof rack, chromed snorkel, chromed allows and chromed lighting bars. It was parked at the same hotel that I was staying in, the Grand Hotel Imperiale in Moltrasio. The owner was having it hand waxed and valetted despite the fact that it had arrived perfectly gleaming and clean. My wife saw it and burst out laughing, as we parked the 4xFord next to it. The Ford had left our farm about eight hours before, and it was covered in mud from the journey down the unmade roads from the farm to the autostrada. I could see the owner of the Defender flinching as I parked up. The Defender had UK number plates on it, and the owner who seemed offended by wife's laughter lightened up a bit later on and told us that the Defender had never been off-road but he liked the "styling". > >>> But I also have a "classic" K-reg Defender to go to interesting places > >>> on weekends... so no mod cons, no a/c, no CD player! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yes. They are an agricultural vehicle in every respect. Noisy, slow, > uncomfortable, etc. So quite a step up from your poverty box. You forgot to say "fun" and "interesting" in your assessment of the Land Rover. I'm sure this is an oversight, because you have assured everyone in the past that your skills as a driver are so extraordinary that you can make any car drive enjoyable. Or it that you've been caught out talking bollocks, again? >>>>> But I also have a "classic" K-reg Defender to go to interesting places >>>>> on weekends... so no mod cons, no a/c, no CD player! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So quite a step up from your poverty box. Sometimes you just crack me up. Have you ever considered auditioning for Britain's got Talent? You could stick a microphone up your arse and whistle dixie. I'm sure you'd win. > You forgot to say "fun" and "interesting" in your assessment of the Land > Rover. I'm sure this is an oversight, because you have assured everyone > in the past that your skills as a driver are so extraordinary that you > can make any car drive enjoyable. All things are relative. Of course, even the worst car driven by me would outperform even the best car driven by you - don't you ever listen. > Or it that you've been caught out talking bollocks, again? Turn up to the ADUK driving day in Bristol and see for yourself. > All things are relative. Of course, even the worst car driven by me would > outperform even the best car driven by you - don't you ever listen. <snork> Yes, you're really that clueless. > > Or it that you've been caught out talking bollocks, again? > > Turn up to the ADUK driving day in Bristol and see for yourself. Why, will you be driving a Land Rover, or just talking bollocks? >> All things are relative. Of course, even the worst car driven by me would >> outperform even the best car driven by you - don't you ever listen. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Why, will you be driving a Land Rover, or just talking bollocks? I'll be driving the Skoda of course, but it won't really matter. Will you be there? > >> Turn up to the ADUK driving day in Bristol and see for yourself. > > > > Why, will you be driving a Land Rover, or just talking bollocks? > > I'll be driving the Skoda of course, but it won't really matter. Will > you be there? No, I try to avoid Bristol as much as possible and I'm not inclined to take the long, boring drive there without the promise of payment. >>>> Turn up to the ADUK driving day in Bristol and see for yourself. >>> Why, will you be driving a Land Rover, or just talking bollocks? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No, I try to avoid Bristol as much as possible and I'm not inclined to > take the long, boring drive there without the promise of payment. See, if I was driving, it wouldn't be boring. Most of the time. If you're broke, I'm sure I could buy you a coffee. >>>>> Turn up to the ADUK driving day in Bristol and see for yourself. >>>> Why, will you be driving a Land Rover, or just talking bollocks? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > See, if I was driving, it wouldn't be boring. Most of the time. If > you're broke, I'm sure I could buy you a coffee. Laced with arsenic? :-) Bod >>>>>> Turn up to the ADUK driving day in Bristol and see for yourself. >>>>> Why, will you be driving a Land Rover, or just talking bollocks? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Laced with arsenic? :-) I wouldn't do that. Someone might call the RSPCA. > >>>> Turn up to the ADUK driving day in Bristol and see for yourself. > >>> Why, will you be driving a Land Rover, or just talking bollocks? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > See, if I was driving, it wouldn't be boring. Indeed not, driving with a loony is rarely described as boring. > Most of the time. You do yourself a disservice, all of the time. > If you're broke, I'm sure I could buy you a coffee. I don't drink instant. >> Most of the time. > > You do yourself a disservice, all of the time. I didn't want to appear to be too cocky but, since you insist, my driving would indeed be better all of the time. >> If you're broke, I'm sure I could buy you a coffee. > > I don't drink instant. You're not man enough for a double shot espresso. > >> Most of the time. > > > > You do yourself a disservice, all of the time. > > I didn't want to appear to be too cocky but, since you insist, my > driving would indeed be better all of the time. Tsk, editing by omission Silk? I'm sure that driving with you would be like driving with a loony all the time. > >> If you're broke, I'm sure I could buy you a coffee. > > > > I don't drink instant. > > You're not man enough for a double shot espresso. <sigh> Don't make yourself out to be a bigger dickhead than you are. >>>> Most of the time. >>> You do yourself a disservice, all of the time. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > <sigh> Don't make yourself out to be a bigger dickhead than you are. Avoidance of answering Silk's statement noted. Bod > Avoidance of answering Silk's statement noted. A statement doesn't beg an answer. f.ck but you're dumb. >> Avoidance of answering Silk's statement noted. > > A statement doesn't beg an answer. > > f.ck but you're dumb. Ha, your teeth must be worn out with all that biting. Bod >>> Avoidance of answering Silk's statement noted. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ha, your teeth must be worn out with all that biting. Froth is firthing at the mouth. Try saying that without your teeth. >>>> Avoidance of answering Silk's statement noted. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Froth is firthing at the mouth. Try saying that without your teeth. You'd need to be an expert in gumtastics for that. Bod > Try saying that without your teeth. Unlike yours, mine don't come out and go in a glass by the side of the bed. So I can't try that. > Tsk, editing by omission Silk? I'm sure that driving with you would be > like driving with a loony all the time. It makes no difference how it's edited, I'm a better driver than you. Get used to it and life will be much easier for you. > <sigh> Don't make yourself out to be a bigger dickhead than you are. Wouldn't dream of it. > >> ...in a car without a/c. > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > But I also have a "classic" K-reg Defender to go to interesting places > on weekends... so no mod cons, no a/c, no CD player! My old series had the _best_ air con ... open the front vents. The windows didn't need opening as the door tops were so corroded they flapped so much you could stick your arm through the gap without opening the window! And, of course, from May to about November, I took the roof off ... ;) SignaturePaul - xxx '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp >>> ...in a car without a/c. >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > But I also have a "classic" K-reg Defender to go to interesting places > on weekends... so no mod cons, no a/c, no CD player! Oh was that the point of your post? Who cares what old shed you drive. > >> ...in a car without a/c. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > But I also have a "classic" K-reg Defender to go to interesting places > on weekends... so no mod cons, no a/c, no CD player! Don't drive with the windows down. It spoils the aerodynamics and increases fuel consumption. -- Halmyre >>>> ...in a car without a/c. >>>> Anyone got any good ones? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- > Halmyre So,sweat yer nuts off and just try to look cool? Bod > > >> ...in a car without a/c. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Don't drive with the windows down. It spoils the aerodynamics and > increases fuel consumption. He's driving a vehicle with worse aerodynamics than a brick, almost nothing you can do will lower the fuel consumtion much more. I know, I've had one .. ;) SignaturePaul - xxx '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp > > > >> ...in a car without a/c. > > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > nothing you can do will lower the fuel consumtion much more. I know, > I've had one .. ;) Er, yes, I know...I'll get me coat... SignatureHalmyre The more you know the less the better. > ...in a car without a/c. > > Anyone got any good ones? No. Don't be such a tight fisted pikey and get a car with aircon. Keith <keith@mailinator.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > ...in a car without a/c. > > Anyone got any good ones? Open the windows. > ...in a car without a/c. > > Anyone got any good ones? I found that ( handy with electric windows ) opening the front passenger seat window and rear offside passenger seat window gave a nice throughdraught. Better still with a slightly open sunroof. Climate control is the business though. Graham -- due to the hugely increased level of spam please make the obvious adjustment to my email address >> ...in a car without a/c. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Climate control is the business though. I agree - one of the best car 'features' ever. I have two-zone cc in my car and both are set at 21 deg, and never touched Summer or Winter. No messing about with heater temperature or air-con controls - just set it and forget it! Ret. >>> ...in a car without a/c. >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Ret. I used to think that aircon was a waste of money,untill I got this car. Now I wouldn't be without. Bod > ...in a car without a/c. > > Anyone got any good ones? Sorry about the last non-serious reply. Here is a more useful one. Open the sunroof, stand up, put your head through the sunroof. Drive the car in that position. > ...in a car without a/c. > > Anyone got any good ones? This is from the days when truck airco was rare and expensive. When driving in the desert firstly wear the least amount of clothing that is tolerated by the locals, drive with the windows closed, you will sweat, when you are suitably runny open the drivers door window and receive a cooling draught of air on to the body, this will eventually evaporate your sweat but you will feel refreshingly cool during this process. when the cooling airstream turns red scalding hot your skin will be dry so close the window and go round again. Requires drinking quite a lot of water to be successful which is not a bad idea in those conditions anyway. This also a very effective way of loosing quite a lot of weight quickly. Don't forget to take extra salt >> ...in a car without a/c. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > This also a very effective way of loosing quite a lot of weight > quickly. Don't forget to take extra salt I'll remember that,the next time I happen to drive through the 'Sahara'. Bod >> ...in a car without a/c. >> >> Anyone got any good ones? Use the garage and only get the car out when you are ready to go - no garage? shade of a building/tree! at least then the seats aren't baking or the dash so hot it warms the air coming through the vents >> ...in a car without a/c. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > This also a very effective way of loosing quite a lot of weight > quickly. Don't forget to take extra salt Wouldn't it be simpler to just pour the drinking water over your head rather than wait for it to sweat out through your pores? !! Ret. >> ...in a car without a/c. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >This also a very effective way of loosing quite a lot of weight >quickly. Don't forget to take extra salt Many years ago while driving alongside the "Tapline" I stopped the car got out and poured a bottle of water over my head. I don't think any of it hit the ground!! but boy was it refreshing!!! Rick... (The other Rick) Science and sound engineering will always prevail in the end "for nature cannot be fooled" [Feynman] > ...in a car without a/c. > > Anyone got any good ones? Open the windows! >> ...in a car without a/c. >> >> Anyone got any good ones? > > Open the windows! Hang yer tongue out of the window? Bod >>> ...in a car without a/c. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > Hang yer tongue out of the window? But wouldn't it drag on the ground? > ...in a car without a/c. > > Anyone got any good ones? opening the windows is a good start >...in a car without a/c. > >Anyone got any good ones? The best advise is to only have the window open an inch or so. If the window is fully open, the hot air dries the sweat too quickly and you loose the benefit of your sweat cooling you down. What you need is enough air circulation to evaporate your sweat, a fan with the windows closed is good. Mind you, until the outside air temp goes in excess of 35C you might as well just open the window. The worst place I have ever been was Kuwait in summer. Temp was in excess of 40C with about 95% humidity. If you were in a car with aircon you would get condensation forming on the outside of the windows requiring you to use the wipers. Rick... (The other Rick) Science and sound engineering will always prevail in the end "for nature cannot be fooled" [Feynman] "Rick... (The other Rick)" <You@must.be.joking.eu> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Mind you, until the outside air temp goes in excess of 35C you might as > well just open the window. Yesterday morning was interesting - lovely, sunny, clear, but not quite warm yet. Window fully down as I blatted the Saab through the lanes at about about 6.45am. The air coming in was cool enough that the heated seat decided to turn on... > The worst place I have ever been was Kuwait in summer. Temp was in > excess of 40C with about 95% humidity. If you were in a car with aircon > you would get condensation forming on the outside of the windows > requiring you to use the wipers. Death Valley, in August, in a 2cv. We closed the windows & roof because the air inside wasn't quite as hot as that outside and trying to get in. > Death Valley, in August, in a 2cv. We closed the windows & roof because > the air inside wasn't quite as hot as that outside and trying to get in. What?? You lunatic. It was 53C when I was there. I went for a run to see what it was like; I didn't sweat as such, I just went salty as the water evaporated pretty much immediately. Opening the window when driving along was like sticking your head in an oven. Amazing place... Albert T Cone <a.k.kirby@durham.ac.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> Death Valley, in August, in a 2cv. We closed the windows & roof because >> the air inside wasn't quite as hot as that outside and trying to get >> in. > What?? You lunatic. Whilst that's never been in much doubt... > It was 53C when I was there. I went for a run to see what it was like ...I can't help feeling there's more than a hint of "But I'm not THAT daft"... > Albert T Cone <a.k.kirby@durham.ac.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ...I can't help feeling there's more than a hint of "But I'm not THAT > daft"... yebbut, I did that in the knowledge that I could at any point bail out and climb back into my nice[1] air-conditioned car. Crossing the place in a small french oven seems almost as batty as the cyclist we passed doing the same thing. I take it that the cooling system on the 2cv is well designed? I wouldn't have tried it in my old mini. Or rather I would, but I'd have thought it was a bloody silly thing to do. [1] i.e the car had good air-con. The car itself was awful; the most impressive thing about it was how they managed to make something with a 3.7l V6 go more slowly than my diesel 205. Albert T Cone <a.k.kirby@durham.ac.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > I take it that the cooling system on the 2cv is well designed? Air-cooled. As long as there's oil, the cooler's clean, and the fan (bolted to the front of the crank directly) has blades which are going round... > Albert T Cone <a.k.kirby@durham.ac.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much > like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > (bolted to the front of the crank directly) has blades which are going > round... And when the air temperature is high than the engine's surface temp? "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng06@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> I take it that the cooling system on the 2cv is well designed? >> Air-cooled. As long as there's oil, the cooler's clean, and the fan >> (bolted to the front of the crank directly) has blades which are going >> round... > And when the air temperature is high than the engine's surface temp? Then whether the car continues to run _really_ isn't going to be your biggest problem, since your body will literally have boiled dry. Or maybe exploded. Whatever. You'll be very, very dead. Clue: What sort of temperatures do you think the cylinder head & barrel fins, or the engine oil, get to even in normal UK ambient temps...? > "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng06@yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much > like they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>> (bolted to the front of the crank directly) has blades which are going >>> round... Ah, excellent. Euro-IV be damned, I approve. >> And when the air temperature is high than the engine's surface temp? ??? > Then whether the car continues to run _really_ isn't going to be your > biggest problem, since your body will literally have boiled dry. Or maybe > exploded. Whatever. You'll be very, very dead. > > Clue: What sort of temperatures do you think the cylinder head & barrel > fins, or the engine oil, get to even in normal UK ambient temps...? Well, quite, although they will of course be running 30-40K hotter than they would over here. What gives out on aircooled engine? Modern oils will tolerate pretty high temperatures without significant breakdown. Hmmm. Differential expansion between engine block/head? Albert T Cone <a.k.kirby@durham.ac.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>>>> I take it that the cooling system on the 2cv is well designed? >>>> Air-cooled. As long as there's oil, the cooler's clean, and the fan >>>> (bolted to the front of the crank directly) has blades which are >>>> going round... > Ah, excellent. Euro-IV be damned, I approve. Euro-IV's a bit ambitious, but a good 'un should pass catalytic MOT emissions tests happily. 50mpg on a run, if you keep off the second choke of the carb (so 60ish on the flat), is eminently doable. >>> And when the air temperature is high than the engine's surface temp? > ??? I don't know whether to laugh or hold my head in my hands. >> Then whether the car continues to run _really_ isn't going to be your >> biggest problem, since your body will literally have boiled dry. Or >> maybe exploded. Whatever. You'll be very, very dead. >> >> Clue: What sort of temperatures do you think the cylinder head & barrel >> fins, or the engine oil, get to even in normal UK ambient temps...? > Well, quite, although they will of course be running 30-40K hotter than > they would over here. Oh, sure. But even so... > What gives out on aircooled engine? Modern oils will tolerate pretty > high temperatures without significant breakdown. Hmmm. Differential > expansion between engine block/head? Think bike engine. Ally crankcase, iron barrels, ally pistons, ally heads. No contact between heads & crankcase apart from the three head studs & the barrel. Get 2cvs really hot, and they'll start pinking like an absolute bastard, followed a little while later by partial seizure of the pistons & barrels. Once they've cooled down, they'll run quite happily again - for years - albeit with a little higher oil consumption and a little less power. > > Albert T Cone <a.k.kirby@durham.ac.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like > > they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > impressive thing about it was how they managed to make something with a > 3.7l V6 go more slowly than my diesel 205. Probably 99% of the engine output is driving the aircon. Years ago a colleague of mine was driving a hire car through Death Valley when it started losing power. After a few moments of panic he remembered the hire company telling him to turn the aircon down in really hot conditions - problem solved. He was never so glad to get to his destination as he was that day. SignatureHalmyre The more you know the less the better. >Anyone got any good ones? R E L A X don't wear anything nerdy. Choose your music carefully. Avoid little blue lights. SignatureMike Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine. Go to a scrap yard Find a car similar Raid for all the aircon parts Fit them Get it filled Be cool > Go to a scrap yard > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Be cool Don't forget the 'Raybans'! :-) Bod |
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