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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / Driving (UK group) / April 2004Another question about the Highway code
OK there's another thing in the highway code which a may not fully understand. It's junctions controlled by traffic lights, it relates to rules 150 and 151 in the highway code. The question is, what is the difference between 'normal' traffic light junctions and ones with box junctions? From what I can tell they are just worded slightly differently. It may seem like a stupid question to some, but there will be very few people who will know the answer. In fact many people don't even know that you can't stop on box junctions. Some drivers would probably don't even know what the highway code is. > It may seem like a stupid question to some, but there will be very few > people who will know the answer. In fact many people don't even know > that you can't stop on box junctions. Some drivers would probably > don't even know what the highway code is. And even more people don't realise that you *can* stop on box junctions, if you are turning right and your path is blocked by oncoming vehicles. -- http://www.speedlimit.org.uk "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." (William Pitt, 1783) > > It may seem like a stupid question to some, but there will be very few > > people who will know the answer. In fact many people don't even know [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And even more people don't realise that you *can* stop on box junctions, if > you are turning right and your path is blocked by oncoming vehicles. Or by other vehicles also turning right. Pete.  SignatureNOTE! Email address is spamtrapped. Any email will be bounced to you Remove the news and underscore from my address to reply by mail My name isnt Peter, am I still allowed to reply to this thread? >> > It may seem like a stupid question to some, but there will be very few >> > people who will know the answer. In fact many people don't even know [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Or by other vehicles also turning right. It used to be th erule that only one vehicle was allowed in a box junction at a time. Has this been officially relaxed? Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: http://www.gawnsoft.co.sr Symbian/Epoc wiki: http://html.dnsalias.net:1122 Smalltalk links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk) http://html.dnsalias.net/gawnsoft/smalltalk >It used to be th erule that only one vehicle was allowed in a box >junction at a time. > >Has this been officially relaxed? From www.highwaycode.gov.uk <quote> Box junctions. These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road (see Other road markings section). You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right. </quote> > >> > It may seem like a stupid question to some, but there will be very few > >> > people who will know the answer. In fact many people don't even know [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Symbian/Epoc wiki: http://html.dnsalias.net:1122 > Smalltalk links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk) http://html.dnsalias.net/gawnsoft/smalltalk It's not mentioned in the highway code and I was never taught it. > > It may seem like a stupid question to some, but there will be very few > > people who will know the answer. In fact many people don't even know [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." (William > Pitt, 1783) Indeed. E.g. turning right from Wellington Road North into Belmont Way (Stockport). Why do some people think that you have to wait at the stop line? The congestion on the A6 is bad enough without these plonkers! Having said that, why include the right turn lane in the box anyway? At the McDonalds junction in Hazel Grove, they have excluded the right turn lane. Brian > And even more people don't realise that you *can* stop on box junctions, > if you are turning right and your path is blocked by oncoming vehicles. It requires your exit to be clear. Can't see why this is so hard to understand. It's a bit like bus lanes - few bother reading when they're active, so just avoid them all the time. Except in rush hour, of course, when they're late for work. ;-) Signature*Prepositions are not words to end sentences with * Dave Plowman dave.sound@argonet.co.uk London SW 12 RIP Acorn > > And even more people don't realise that you *can* stop on box junctions, > > if you are turning right and your path is blocked by oncoming vehicles. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > just avoid them all the time. Except in rush hour, of course, when they're > late for work. ;-) Can you read the small print when you're comming up to a hazard. They're usually near hazards eg. lights, so it's very hard to read. I've always assumed that our bus lanes where I live are always active. > Can you read the small print when you're comming up to a hazard. > They're usually near hazards eg. lights, so it's very hard to read. Even when you're stopped at those lights? > I've always assumed that our bus lanes where I live are always active. In this part of London, most are only active in the morning or afternoon - depending on the rush hour traffic flow. And few anywhere are active in the evenings. It's a bit like slowing down to 10mph under the speed limit when you see a camera. Signature*When did my wild oats turn to prunes and all bran? Dave Plowman dave.sound@argonet.co.uk London SW 12 RIP Acorn > > Can you read the small print when you're comming up to a hazard. > > They're usually near hazards eg. lights, so it's very hard to read. > > Even when you're stopped at those lights? I believe the sign is further back than where you stop for the lights etc. > > I've always assumed that our bus lanes where I live are always active. > > In this part of London, most are only active in the morning or afternoon - > depending on the rush hour traffic flow. And few anywhere are active in > the evenings. Actually, in Reading there's rarely any point in using the bus lanes, I hardly ever see 'em on the routes I take. It's quite often that they are an alternative route rather than an alternative lane. One road has 3 lanes going one way and a bus lane going the other way, from what I understand cars are never allowed in that bus lane. > It's a bit like slowing down to 10mph under the speed limit when you see a > camera. > > And even more people don't realise that you *can* stop on box junctions, > > if you are turning right and your path is blocked by oncoming vehicles. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > just avoid them all the time. Except in rush hour, of course, when they're > late for work. ;-) Very late but.. This is what the Highway Code actually says: Box junctions. These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road (see Other road markings section). You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right If the road to the right is clear, you can enter the box junction if you are turning right. Brian > > It may seem like a stupid question to some, but there will be very few > > people who will know the answer. In fact many people don't even know [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And even more people don't realise that you *can* stop on box junctions, if > you are turning right and your path is blocked by oncoming vehicles. Most people that I see just go, whether it's clear or not and even when going straight on. > > It may seem like a stupid question to some, but there will be very few > > people who will know the answer. In fact many people don't even know [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And even more people don't realise that you *can* stop on box junctions, if > you are turning right and your path is blocked by oncoming vehicles. Most people that I see just go, whether it's clear or not and even when going straight on. |
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