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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / Driving (UK group) / April 2004What would you do ?
Driving along A638 between Doncaster and Bawtry, wide (ish) single carriageway road, NSL, just accelerating out from traffic lights and notice a pigeon up ahead. Pigeon starts to walk across road, I tell wife I've seen it and it'll fly away .. and if it doesn't it'd be OK as we're in the Land Rover and it'll go way over the top .. Unfortunately the pigeon carried on walking and didn't fly away until we were just about over it ... Big spray of feathers in rear view mirror and pigeon body bouncing along the road .. I believe I was in the right not to swerve or brake as there wasn't enough room to swerve due to traffic coming other way and parking obstruction on other carriageway, and I couldn't brake as other traffic was also accelerating from traffic lights, and accelerating faster than us, so pretty close behind ... What would you have done ? Who would swerve, or brake, do both, or try to stop ? and why ? OK, I felt a bit bad about killing (I guess) the Pigeon, but feel I had no other real choice. Wife reckons it's a shame it was only one pigeon as one doesn't make a big enough meal ... ;)  SignaturePaul (8(|) Homer rocks .. ;) > Driving along A638 between Doncaster and Bawtry, wide (ish) single > carriageway road, NSL, just accelerating out from traffic lights and notice [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > accelerating from traffic lights, and accelerating faster than us, so pretty > close behind ... Shame the bird got killed, but out of interest what was the reaction of the driver in the vehicle behind?? Mark W posted ... > Shame the bird got killed, but out of interest what was the reaction > of the driver in the vehicle behind?? Heheheh, squeal of brakes, puff of smoke. Didn't see if he/she/it stopped as we were then turning off .. ;) SignaturePaul (8(|) Homer rocks .. ;) > Driving along A638 between Doncaster and Bawtry, wide (ish) single > carriageway road, NSL, just accelerating out from traffic lights and notice [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > other real choice. Wife reckons it's a shame it was only one pigeon as one > doesn't make a big enough meal ... ;) I would pull over, stop and eat it. May not make a big meal but a nice road side snack. ;) Was once a passenger in a car that hit a pheasant, driver was very annoyed as the car behind stopped and picked it up first. >> Driving along A638 between Doncaster and Bawtry, wide (ish) single >> carriageway road, NSL, just accelerating out from traffic lights and [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > pheasant, driver was very annoyed as the car behind stopped and > picked it up first. Isn't it illegal to pick up a pheasant that you killed, the car behind is OK as it's roadkill, but if you kill and take it it's poaching? > >> Driving along A638 between Doncaster and Bawtry, wide (ish) single > >> carriageway road, NSL, just accelerating out from traffic lights and [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Isn't it illegal to pick up a pheasant that you killed, the car behind is OK > as it's roadkill, but if you kill and take it it's poaching? I can't say I ever bothered to look it up ;) though we are going back a few years here. I wonder if that goes for other animals as well? Is it illegal for me to take home and cook cats, rabbits, dear or people that step out in front of me? How about if I skip the coking phase and jump directly to eating them? (temptation to cross post to uk.legal has been resisted) ;) > > >> Driving along A638 between Doncaster and Bawtry, wide (ish) single > > >> carriageway road, NSL, just accelerating out from traffic lights and [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > me? How about if I skip the coking phase and jump directly to eating them? > (temptation to cross post to uk.legal has been resisted) ;) I understand that you should do everything in your power to avoid killing a dog, but if it's a cat there's no problem. No idea about pigeons, but I guess you can safely kill them :-) Ooh goody curried pussie :o) Brian >>> >> Driving along A638 between Doncaster and Bawtry, wide (ish) single >>> >> carriageway road, NSL, just accelerating out from traffic lights and [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Brian I wonder if the different classification of dogs and cats lapsed with the demise of the dog license? Anyway, I thought that the recommendation was to do nothing to avoid an animal unless you *know* that it is safe to brake hard or swerve (ie: there's nothing behind you or approaching you that's close enough to be a danger), in case you cause an accident that may injure or kill a person. Obviously if avoidance involves just slowing a little there's no problem at all. Plus I wouldn't recommend the no-action option if the animal is a horse! ;) Steve W >>> Driving along A638 between Doncaster and Bawtry, wide (ish) single >>> carriageway road, NSL, just accelerating out from traffic lights and [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >Isn't it illegal to pick up a pheasant that you killed, the car behind is OK >as it's roadkill, but if you kill and take it it's poaching? Possbily, but in the case of deer it's all to do with the Countryside and Wildlife Act - basically it is illegal to kill a wild animal unless it was an accident, or killed to prevent unnecessary suffering. If you picked it up and sold/eat it you would have a job proving that you hit it accidentally. Because pheasant is usually captive/bred it might be different though. Gareth On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 15:00:55 GMT, Gareth A. <gareth@nospamplease-attrill.co.uk> was popularly supposed to have said: >Possbily, but in the case of deer it's all to do with the Countryside >and Wildlife Act - basically it is illegal to kill a wild animal [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Because pheasant is usually captive/bred it might be different though. Nope; just the same. Pheasants are classed as wild animals, so they belong to the person whose land they're on, and the law also says that you're allowed to pick up roadkill. If you want to make ahabit of this, though, all you need to do is find a road that is the morning route for a milk tanker, and which has a lot of pheasants on it. Milk tankers drive like loonies, and stop for nothing. So, just follow on behind on a bike, and pick up the casualties. Just make sure the milk tanker doesn't come back the same way! SignatureDan Holdsworth PhD dan1701usennet@ntlworld.com By caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, By the beans of Java do thoughts acquire speed, hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning, By caffeine alone do I set my mind in motion > What would you have done ? > > Who would swerve, or brake, do both, or try to stop ? and why ? Neitherl ease off it was something less verminous. > Driving along A638 between Doncaster and Bawtry, wide (ish) single > carriageway road, NSL, just accelerating out from traffic lights and notice [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > other real choice. Wife reckons it's a shame it was only one pigeon as one > doesn't make a big enough meal ... ;) risk assess firstly potential damage to vehicle / occupants - short of a 'bird strike' scenario ( windscreen vs object) most birds, cats, rabbits etc are unlikely to cause significant damage the vehicle badger , dog , sheep , pig however could cause significant damage, plus there's a requirement to report such strikes to the police ( live stock for all but badger , and badger as protected species) secondly surrounding traffic > risk assess > > firstly potential damage to vehicle / occupants - short of a 'bird > strike' scenario ( windscreen vs object) most birds, cats, rabbits > etc are unlikely to cause significant damage the vehicle FWIW I once had a Pheasant hit the windscreen. Caused me to flinch, but it just glanced off and left a surprisingly good impression of it's feathers on the screen. > badger , dog , sheep , pig however could cause significant damage, > plus there's a requirement to report such strikes to the police ( > live stock for all but badger , and badger as protected species) > > secondly surrounding traffic Yorkshire terriers can't count, surely ;). > FWIW I once had a Pheasant hit the windscreen. Caused me to flinch, but it > just glanced off and left a surprisingly good impression of it's feathers on > the screen. When I had my TDI Fiesta van, I was going along the A12 somewhere between Chelmsford and Colchester and a bird (happened a bit quickly as to ascertain its species) was flying very low (i.e. less than a foot above the ground) and instead of increasing its height when it got to the road it just kept on going. I was doing around 70mph, bugger all I could do. I just heard a big thump on the underside of my car, and a flurry of feathers flew out the back! Ended up with a slightly dented sump, and a few feathers on the radiator. Peter > badger , dog , sheep , pig however could cause significant damage, plus > there's a requirement to report such strikes to the police ( live stock for > all but badger , and badger as protected species) A work colleague knows someone (I think he said an Uncle) who had a cow jump from a field onto his Saab. The cow had to be put down (broken leg presumably) and so did the car (broken everything). I bet that looked good on the insurance claim form. Then there was an ex-boss who had a deer run into his Abarth. He was powering along a country lane near Aylesbury and it smashed head first into a side window. Bloody freak accident or what? Andrue Cope [Brackley, UK] > Then there was an ex-boss who had a deer run into his Abarth. He was powering > along a country lane near Aylesbury and it smashed head first into a side > window. Bloody freak accident or what? Not round here its not. I've heard of a few similar incidents round here. Had the same thing happen with my dad's car (although it missed the windows) & also once had a Stag with full Antlers come bounding out of the woods and run alongside the car for about 20 yards before disappearing back into the woods. If you drive south across Rannoch Moor late at night its sometimes scary the amount of deer kicking about near or on the road. Two of note I hit a suicide bird at speed and it exploded - cracked my front bumper. Grouse I think I have also had a bird try to fly through the front wheel of a motorcycle > Two of note > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I have also had a bird try to fly through the front wheel of a motorcycle Was that a grouse you hit or were you just grousing about the damage? ;) Steve W Andrue Cope raved thus: :: Then there was an ex-boss who had a deer run into his Abarth. He was :: powering along a country lane near Aylesbury and it smashed head :: first into a side window. Bloody freak accident or what? My mate had a deer leap over a hedge and land in front of him while driving home from work in his wife's new Micra. He hit it, and the damage was enough to write the car off. The deer wasn't too clever either. Still, one less Micra. I had one run out from cover while diving along a woodland road; it was about to slam into the side of my car but I managed to jink left a little and the deer squirmed a bit and we missed each other. SignatureAbo www.pickuptruckracing.com > Unfortunately the pigeon carried on walking and didn't fly away until we > were just about over it ... Big spray of feathers in rear view mirror and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Who would swerve, or brake, do both, or try to stop ? and why ? Excuse me? It's a Sky Rat. Kill it, and 10 more will take its place. Personally? Floor it, and try to intercept. I've never hit a pigeon! Pheasant? no problem! BFJ[0], two at once! (one remained freeze-dried on my bonnet, un-noticed for 40 miles!) Those pigeons are canny buggers though. Pete. [0] Brown Feathered Jobbies. SignatureNOTE! Email address is spamtrapped. Any email will be bounced to you Remove the news and underscore from my address to reply by mail > Personally? Floor it, and try to intercept. I've never hit a pigeon! > Pheasant? no problem! BFJ[0], two at once! (one remained freeze-dried on > my bonnet, un-noticed for 40 miles!) Those pigeons are canny buggers > though. I've had a pigeon bounce off the very top of my windscreen before. Got a nice close-up view of it as it hit, then just saw a cloud of feathers in the rear-view mirror. Luckily no damage caused, just cleaned a bit of dust off the top of the windscreen (car wanted a wash at the time). Cheers Dave P SignatureDavid Precious http://www.preshweb.co.uk/ > > Personally? Floor it, and try to intercept. I've never hit a pigeon! > > Pheasant? no problem! BFJ[0], two at once! (one remained freeze-dried on [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Dave P I hit one once and it seemed to land on the roof of the car. I could hear it move about occasionally, but when I went around a roundabout it sounded like it had fallen off, and then it went quiet :-D >> Personally? Floor it, and try to intercept. I've never hit a pigeon! >> Pheasant? no problem! BFJ[0], two at once! (one remained freeze-dried on [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >the rear-view mirror. Luckily no damage caused, just cleaned a bit of dust >off the top of the windscreen (car wanted a wash at the time). Here's what happens when you're going a little bit faster (in a Viper): http://home.alltel.net/sb32511/Bird_strike/bird_strike.htm Gareth David Precious raved thus: :: I've had a pigeon bounce off the very top of my windscreen before. :: Got a nice close-up view of it as it hit, then just saw a cloud of :: feathers in the rear-view mirror. Luckily no damage caused, just :: cleaned a bit of dust off the top of the windscreen (car wanted a :: wash at the time). I had that happen a while ago; it left an impact mark on the windscreen (you could see the feathers), marks on the roof and bits of pigeon and feather stuck to the spoiler on the rear hatch. SignatureAbo www.pickuptruckracing.com > David Precious raved thus: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > could see the feathers), marks on the roof and bits of pigeon and feather > stuck to the spoiler on the rear hatch. I picked up a pigeon in the sun visor of a Scania many years ago. Stayed there for about 100 miles. Did see something (possible a pheasant) bounce of the corner pillar of a tipper truck cab once. Put a big dent in the screen right in front of the driver and also completely redesigned the O/S mirror arm. "David Precious" <pinkmeat@preshweb.co.uk> wrote in message news: > I've had a pigeon bounce off the very top of my windscreen before. Got a > nice close-up view of it as it hit, then just saw a cloud of feathers in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Dave P Many years ago (before an overall speed limit was inflicted upon the UK - happy days!) a friend of a friend was driving his XK150 somewhere near York and making 'good progress' - apparently about 115 mph - when a pigeon hit the top edge of his windscreen. It was terribly messy and it damaged the car more than somewhat. Take care all, Dave - alias TripleS. SignatureAny opinions expressed are the author's personal ones only and do not represent the official position of MDK Consultancy Ltd. > Driving along A638 between Doncaster and Bawtry, wide (ish) single > carriageway road, NSL, just accelerating out from traffic lights and [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > had no other real choice. Wife reckons it's a shame it was only one > pigeon as one doesn't make a big enough meal ... ;) Run the bugger down. After having an entertaining time trying to dodge a Pheasant on the exit of a bend, I decided that I might as well aid natural selection. And I get any Pheasants or rabbits, I can always chuck em in the boot and have them for sunday dinner. > Driving along A638 between Doncaster and Bawtry, wide (ish) single > carriageway road, NSL, just accelerating out from traffic lights and notice > a pigeon up ahead. Pigeon starts to walk across road, I tell wife I've seen > it and it'll fly away .. and if it doesn't it'd be OK as we're in the Land > Rover and it'll go way over the top .. I've had two in the last couple of days. One was walking in the road and I thought it would fly away, but as I got close it started to walk towards where my wheel was. I missed him by about a foot in the end, but he wasn't going to fly away. The other one few about 1 foot away from my windscreen just as I past a 40mph. If I had accelerated before the 40mph sign I probably would've had him :-D > Unfortunately the pigeon carried on walking and didn't fly away until we > were just about over it ... Big spray of feathers in rear view mirror and > pigeon body bouncing along the road .. Congratulations! > I believe I was in the right not to swerve or brake as there wasn't enough > room to swerve due to traffic coming other way and parking obstruction on > other carriageway, and I couldn't brake as other traffic was also > accelerating from traffic lights, and accelerating faster than us, so pretty > close behind ... Strictly speaking you probably shouldn't change speed or anything, although in many cases it does make more sense to avoid the birds. > What would you have done ? Put my foot down ;-) > Who would swerve, or brake, do both, or try to stop ? and why ? It's hard to say. > OK, I felt a bit bad about killing (I guess) the Pigeon, but feel I had no > other real choice. Wife reckons it's a shame it was only one pigeon as one > doesn't make a big enough meal ... ;) Don't worry, nobody likes pigeons anyway, it's nice to see a few dead ones. > Don't worry, nobody likes pigeons anyway, it's nice to see a few dead > ones. I do, you murdering bastard. Silk <me@privacy.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> Don't worry, nobody likes pigeons anyway, it's nice to see a few dead >> ones. > I do, you murdering bastard. Always thought you were a bit odd, but never guessed you were THAT strange. Tom Lehrer for Mayor of London! > Always thought you were a bit odd, Really? You've never said. but never guessed you were THAT strange. What's so strange about liking pigeons? Eh? Eh? > Tom Lehrer for Mayor of London! Who? Where? >> Always thought you were a bit odd, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Who? Where? Tom Lehrer was a writer of comic song, and one of his best was a ditty entitled 'Poisoning Pigeons In The Park' I expect that's what the poster alluded to. Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: http://www.gawnsoft.co.sr Symbian/Epoc wiki: http://html.dnsalias.net:1122 Smalltalk links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk) http://html.dnsalias.net/gawnsoft/smalltalk > Tom Lehrer was a writer of comic song, and one of his best was a ditty > entitled 'Poisoning Pigeons In The Park' Well, you live and learn. > I expect that's what the poster alluded to. I can't be doing with any of that alluding. > > Tom Lehrer was a writer of comic song, and one of his best was a ditty > > entitled 'Poisoning Pigeons In The Park' > > Well, you live and learn. Well, in your case, live, or is that exist? SignatureHaving problems understanding usenet? Or do you simply need help but are getting unhelpful answers? Subscribe to: uk.net.beginners for friendly advice in a flame-free environment. > Well, in your case, live, or is that exist? My simple brain can't work out what that is supposed to mean; so, in my ignorance, I'll take it as a compliment. Nobody has, to my utter surprise, mentioned blasting on the horn in order to frighten the bird off!!!!!! No impact with any animal is best unless you like untangling guts and the like from the radiator etc. or washing the same off your windscreen. > > Tom Lehrer was a writer of comic song, and one of his best was a ditty > > entitled 'Poisoning Pigeons In The Park' [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I can't be doing with any of that alluding. > What would you have done ? Assuming it was safe to do so I'd slow so as to minimise the damage to my vehicle. I wouldn't bother to swerve as that could lead to a loss of control and isn't worth it for a pigeon. I did once 'encounter' a bird on the M5. It was just after the M40 junction heading northbound where there's space for an extra lane hatched off in the centre. I saw it approach (only for a few seconds) then there was a thud and behind me I saw a short stream of feathers. As I was doing 80mph at the time I doubt if the bird felt anything. I've no idea what kind of bird it was. Thankfully there was no damage to the car but it pissed me off as I had to pull over at the next junction (no services on my journey) and check. Might have taken out the radiator :( Oddly enough an hour later I narrowly missed hitting a crow as I drove along the M54. That did scare me as it nearly came through the windscreen. Andrue Cope [Brackley, UK] Andrue Cope raved thus: :: Oddly enough an hour later I narrowly missed hitting a crow as I :: drove along the M54. That did scare me as it nearly came through the :: windscreen. Someone in front of me hit a crow on Saturday when I was travelling to Rockingham. I was amazed at how high in the air it went before landing on the road in front of me. SignatureAbo www.pickuptruckracing.com > Who would swerve, or brake, do both, or try to stop ? and why ? Had something similar last year, was accelerating away from a light controlled filtered junction from a 30 to a national. Got the hammer down to keep up with the flow, when something came out of the hedge on the other side of the road, just above bonnet height and slowly climbing. Looked like a blurred pigeon, and bang, it smacked the windscreen near the A pillar, on the passenger side. I thought shame, then let it go. When i got to work, and switched off the radio, the arial retracted, and stuck to the metal button at the top was a solitary pigeon feather. When i go home, I asked the missus who leaves a few minutes after me if there was anything on the road when she passed. The response I got was "You bastard, you hit that pigeon didn't you, I had to swerve to avoid hitting it". Stupid women, it was obviously already dead. SignatureCarl Robson (The poster formerly known as Skodapilot) http://www.bouncing-czechs.com > Driving along A638 between Doncaster and Bawtry, wide (ish) single > carriageway road, NSL, just accelerating out from traffic lights and notice > a pigeon up ahead. Pigeon starts to walk across road, I tell wife I've seen > it and it'll fly away .. and if it doesn't it'd be OK as we're in the Land > Rover and it'll go way over the top .. I wouldnt have posted this trivial sh.t here (or anywhere), thats what. Kev Me <me@here.com> wrote on Mon, 26 Apr 2004 05:48:33 +0100: >> Driving along A638 between Doncaster and Bawtry, wide (ish) single >> carriageway road, NSL, just accelerating out from traffic lights and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I wouldnt have posted this trivial sh.t here (or anywhere), thats what. It's less trivial than "I wouldnt have posted this trivial sh.t here (or anywhere). thats what", so why did _you_ post _that_ here (or anywhere)? SignatureDavid Taylor davidt-news@yadt.co.uk "The future just ain't what it used to be." > I wouldnt have posted this trivial sh.t here (or anywhere), thats what. You didn't. > Who would swerve, or brake, do both, or try to stop ? and why ? Brake ( if it's safe) but never swerve. Score so far XX pigeons/pheasants/hedgehogs 1 Dog 1 Badger 1 Sheep ( it fell into the road in front of me) 1 Mini ( I broke my own rule and swerved for a sheep) 1 Sheep that I carried for 200yards with it's back legs on my bonnet and it's front legs going like buggery ( I swerved 3 times, it swerved 4 and got me!) |
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