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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / Driving (UK group) / April 2004Lorry Awareness Day in Livingstone.
On Saturday 29th May at The 3663 Depot at Livingston The Professional Drivers Association along with the Scottish Trucker Club are going to hold an Lorry Aware Day to raise awareness of the dangers to children and the general public. The Event will start 09.30hrs and finish at 15.30 hrs. The day will feature lots of scenarios relating to LGVs such as: Artic with car placed behind so the driver cannot see it in his mirrors. Artic with car on blind spot so people cant see it. Rigid with pedal cyclist Rigid with motorcyclist The public will be able to sit in the vehicles and get a proper idea of the problems for themselves.  SignatureConor If you're not on somebody's sh.t list, you're not doing anything worthwhile. > On Saturday 29th May at The 3663 Depot at Livingston The Professional > Drivers Association along with the Scottish Trucker Club are going to > hold an Lorry Aware Day to raise awareness of the dangers to children > and the general public. <snip> > The public will be able to sit in the vehicles and get a proper idea > of the problems for themselves. Sounds interesting, I'd attend if I could. Just wish that events like this could allow people to drive a lorry (even on a test track/airfield) to get a better understanding of the way they 'work'. I'd pay good money to do that :-) John. > > On Saturday 29th May at The 3663 Depot at Livingston The Professional > > Drivers Association along with the Scottish Trucker Club are going to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > a test track/airfield) to get a better understanding of the way they 'work'. > I'd pay good money to do that :-) There are places which do this (for good money). I can't remember where they are but I'm sure someone will be along soon who does. > Just wish that events like this could allow people to drive a lorry (even on > a test track/airfield) to get a better understanding of the way they 'work'. > I'd pay good money to do that :-) Space is an issue. You need alot of it. Here you go...you can drive a coach too. http://www.lorrydrivertraining.co.uk/birthday_surprise.htm SignatureConor If you're not on somebody's sh.t list, you're not doing anything worthwhile. > Space is an issue. You need alot of it. > > Here you go...you can drive a coach too. > > http://www.lorrydrivertraining.co.uk/birthday_surprise.htm Thanks, I'll definitely consider that one. A birthday surprise for myself :-) > The public will be able to sit in the vehicles and get a proper idea > of the problems for themselves. Artic doing 56.01 mph overtaking artic doing 55.99mph? > > The public will be able to sit in the vehicles and get a proper idea > > of the problems for themselves. > > Artic doing 56.01 mph overtaking artic doing 55.99mph? Fine, f.ck you then. If you don't want to learn a valuable lesson that might save you from injury then thats up to you but don't take the piss out of a group of people willing to give up their time and money to benefit YOU. SignatureConor If you're not on somebody's sh.t list, you're not doing anything worthwhile. > Fine, f.ck you then. I do believe I've made a new friend. :-D Perhaps I'm even on a sh.t list. Conor <conor_turton@hotmail.com> wrote in news:MPG.1af83cb2b6a06e198a4d2 @news.claranews.com: >> > The public will be able to sit in the vehicles and get a proper idea >> > of the problems for themselves. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > out of a group of people willing to give up their time and money to > benefit YOU. Hold on a minute! I admire those people who are giving up their time to educate others - perhaps you ought to stop having a go at the 'IAM' types who give up their time to do the same - whenever I come across a lorry with an associate, I always point out how our driving could benifit the lorry driver - you often can't resist the urge to 'have a go'! MrBitsy. > I admire those people who are giving up their time to educate others - > perhaps you ought to stop having a go at the 'IAM' types who give up their > time to do the same - whenever I come across a lorry with an associate, I > always point out how our driving could benifit the lorry driver - you often > can't resist the urge to 'have a go'! I was having a specific go at the poster, not everybody in here. Sorry you read it that way. SignatureConor If you're not on somebody's sh.t list, you're not doing anything worthwhile. > The day will feature lots of scenarios relating to LGVs such as: > Artic with car placed behind so the driver cannot see it in his > mirrors. Lorry moron should have been paying more attention and seen the car going into the "blind spot" BTW will they be pointing out that "blind spot" isn't a valid excuse for a dangerous place in the rest of the working environment? > Artic with car on blind spot so people cant see it. See above > Rigid with pedal cyclist > Rigid with motorcyclist > > The public will be able to sit in the vehicles and get a proper idea of > the problems for themselves. The problems being lorry morons don't care enough and it's cheaper for their employers to allow lorry morons to kill people than to solve the "problems" marc (marccdimspamremovedimspamto reply@jaceeprint.demon.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : > Lorry moron should have been paying more attention and seen the car > going into the "blind spot" BTW will they be pointing out that "blind > spot" isn't a valid excuse for a dangerous place in the rest of the > working environment? > The problems being lorry morons don't care enough and it's cheaper for > their employers to allow lorry morons to kill people than to solve > the "problems" Even without looking, I just *knew* who'd posted that. > > The day will feature lots of scenarios relating to LGVs such as: > > Artic with car placed behind so the driver cannot see it in his [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > isn't a valid excuse for a dangerous place in the rest of the working > environment? MArc, Shut the f.ck up. At least the people who go are willing to learn about the problems. SignatureConor If you're not on somebody's sh.t list, you're not doing anything worthwhile. >> Lorry moron > MArc, Shut the f.ck up. If Conor and Marc were averaged out, we may just get two reasonable balanced opinions.... > If Conor and Marc were averaged out, we may just get two reasonable > balanced opinions.... Or you end up with a trucker full of self-loathing ;-) -- http://www.speedlimit.org.uk "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." (William Pitt, 1783) > > > The day will feature lots of scenarios relating to LGVs such as: > > > Artic with car placed behind so the driver cannot see it in his [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > MArc, Shut the f.ck up. At least the people who go are willing to learn > about the problems. Is that the best answer you can come up with ? Lorry morons have dangerous pieces of plant in their care, yet they expect eveyone else to make allowances for the danger that they create? SignatureMarc. Please note the above address is a spam trap, use marcc to reply Printing for clubs of all types http://www.jaceeprint.demon.co.uk Stickers, banners & clothing, for clubs,teams, magazines and dealers. > Is that the best answer you can come up with ? Lorry morons have > dangerous pieces of plant in their care, yet they expect eveyone else to > make allowances for the danger that they create? Seems reasonable. You can only make allowances up to a point. At some point the third party has to take some action to contribute towards their safety. Otherwise you'd end up with irons that are cold in case someone puts their hand on the bottom of it, scissors that aren't sharp in case someone puts their finger in them etc etc etc. SignatureConor If you're not on somebody's sh.t list, you're not doing anything worthwhile. > > Is that the best answer you can come up with ? Lorry morons have > > dangerous pieces of plant in their care, yet they expect eveyone else to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > someone puts their hand on the bottom of it, scissors that aren't sharp > in case someone puts their finger in them etc etc etc. You are now mixing up commercial and home use. If there was a chance of a member of the public being burnt by an iron used in a commercial process there would be a failure of duty of care by the operator if they didn't fit guards to prevent it. They woudn't be allowed to try and blame or "educate" the public . When are lorry morons going to start taking reponsibility for their dangerous plant? SignatureMarc. Please note the above address is a spam trap, use marcc to reply Printing for clubs of all types http://www.jaceeprint.demon.co.uk Stickers, banners & clothing, for clubs,teams, magazines and dealers. > You are now mixing up commercial and home use. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > allowed to try and blame or "educate" the public . When are lorry morons > going to start taking reponsibility for their dangerous plant? Not actually true. There ARE processes that cannot practically be guarded - so safe working practices are devised to minimise the risk. Next time you see someone digging a hole in the road (with a digger, not by hand), just wander over and see if there is guarding that PREVENTS you walking into the path of the digger bucket. Or when you see a hedge being flail-trimmed, stand in a gateway and stick your head just proud of where the hedge is being trimmed back to. Better still, hide behind the gate post, and then jump out when you are shielded from the operators view by the flail head and stick your head in. Then if you are still in one piece, report back to us on whether it was guarding or the operator seeing you and avoiding you that stopped you being killed or seriously damaged. Simon > Then if you are still in one piece, report back to us on whether it was > guarding or the operator seeing you and avoiding you that stopped you being > killed or seriously damaged. And if someone dies/get injured will it be the operator of the dangerous equipment that gets slated or the person passing by? If it was a lorry you can be sure that the whole industry would be wailing " we couldn't see him, so it must have been his fault" > > Then if you are still in one piece, report back to us on whether it was > > guarding or the operator seeing you and avoiding you that stopped you being [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > you can be sure that the whole industry would be wailing " we couldn't > see him, so it must have been his fault" If you place your vehicle deliberately in such a position that you can't be seen by the driver and you act so as not to take account of that DESPITE the fact many trailers now have a "If you cannot see my mirrors I cannot see you" sticker on the back PLUS the advice in the HC then you are at fault. SignatureConor If you're not on somebody's sh.t list, you're not doing anything worthwhile. > > And if someone dies/get injured will it be the operator of the dangerous > > equipment that gets slated or the person passing by? If it was a lorry [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > mirrors I cannot see you" sticker on the back PLUS the advice in the HC > then you are at fault. I bet that wouldn't wash with the H&SE if I stuck a sticker on the back of my machinery saying " If I can't see your hand, you might loose it!" and then removed the guards and tried to blame everyone that got hurt. > > > Is that the best answer you can come up with ? Lorry morons have > > > dangerous pieces of plant in their care, yet they expect eveyone else to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You are now mixing up commercial and home use. Whichj is exactly the same as HGvs and cars using the same road is it not? > If there was a chance of a member of the public being burnt by an iron > used in a commercial process there would be a failure of duty of care by > the operator if they didn't fit guards to prevent it. Err, they already use irons in commercial places such as clothes manufacturers. Your comment is so idiotic that even the paranoid H&SE think its daft. > They woudn't be > allowed to try and blame or "educate" the public . When are lorry morons > going to start taking reponsibility for their dangerous plant? We already do. Perhaps YOU should start taking some responsibility for YOUR actions too. SignatureConor If you're not on somebody's sh.t list, you're not doing anything worthwhile. > Is that the best answer you can come up with ? Lorry morons have > dangerous pieces of plant in their care, yet they expect eveyone else > to make allowances for the danger that they create? But to a lot lesser degree than car morons who don't have any such limitations on their visibility but cause far more mayhem than lorries. >> The day will feature lots of scenarios relating to LGVs such as: >> Artic with car placed behind so the driver cannot see it in his [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > their employers to allow lorry morons to kill people than to solve > the "problems" A typically pathetic response from a car moron. It's be funny if it wasn't so sad. >> The problems being lorry morons don't care enough and it's cheaper >> for their employers to allow lorry morons to kill people than to >> solve the "problems" > A typically pathetic response from a car moron. ITYF that Marc's a bicycle moron. > >> The problems being lorry morons don't care enough and it's cheaper > >> for their employers to allow lorry morons to kill people than to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ITYF that Marc's a bicycle moron. Feet, bicycle,car,motorbike,horse... SignatureMarc. Please note the above address is a spam trap, use marcc to reply Printing for clubs of all types http://www.jaceeprint.demon.co.uk Stickers, banners & clothing, for clubs,teams, magazines and dealers. >> > A typically pathetic response from a car moron. >> ITYF that Marc's a bicycle moron. > Feet, bicycle,car,motorbike,horse... The mode of transport may change, but some things are constant. >>> The problems being lorry morons don't care enough and it's cheaper >>> for their employers to allow lorry morons to kill people than to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ITYF that Marc's a bicycle moron. Can we agree that he's just a moron regardless of mode of transport? > >> A typically pathetic response from a car moron. > > > > ITYF that Marc's a bicycle moron. > > Can we agree that he's just a moron regardless of mode of transport? It seems not. >>>> A typically pathetic response from a car moron. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > It seems not. Given that you have an interest in this your opinion is ineligible and Adrian has yet to respond. > >> The problems being lorry morons don't care enough and it's cheaper > >> for their employers to allow lorry morons to kill people than to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ITYF that Marc's a bicycle moron. Nope. He's just a moron. > >> The day will feature lots of scenarios relating to LGVs such as: > >> Artic with car placed behind so the driver cannot see it in his [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > A typically pathetic response from a car moron. Responses not response.Feel free to find a fault with my logic above. >It's be funny if it wasn't > so sad. Let me have two guesses... You're either from Dorset or a lorry moron? SignatureMarc. Please note the above address is a spam trap, use marcc to reply Printing for clubs of all types http://www.jaceeprint.demon.co.uk Stickers, banners & clothing, for clubs,teams, magazines and dealers. > Let me have two guesses... Why should I? > You're either from Dorset or a lorry moron? What's Dorset got to do with it? But you're wrong on both counts. > > Let me have two guesses... > > Why should I? No reason at all. > > You're either from Dorset or a lorry moron? > > What's Dorset got to do with it? It's the only part of the UK where I have encountered the "It's be" form of speech in an adult of normal intelligence > But you're wrong on both counts. Can't win em all. SignatureMarc. Please note the above address is a spam trap, use marcc to reply Printing for clubs of all types http://www.jaceeprint.demon.co.uk Stickers, banners & clothing, for clubs,teams, magazines and dealers. >>> Let me have two guesses... >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Can't win em all. If you were to modify your approach you might even win some. > >>> Let me have two guesses... > >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > If you were to modify your approach you might even win some. "It's not who wins or loses, but how you play the game" > "It's not who wins or loses, but how you play the game" That's what all losers tend to say. > > "It's not who wins or loses, but how you play the game" > > > That's what all losers tend to say. Plus those that don't give a toss. SignatureMarc. Please note the above address is a spam trap, use marcc to reply Printing for clubs of all types http://www.jaceeprint.demon.co.uk Stickers, banners & clothing, for clubs,teams, magazines and dealers. >>> "It's not who wins or loses, but how you play the game" >>> >> That's what all losers tend to say. > > Plus those that don't give a toss. Is there a difference between losers and those that don't give a toss? > >>> "It's not who wins or loses, but how you play the game" > >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Is there a difference between losers and those that don't give a toss? Of course there is. SignatureMarc. Please note the above address is a spam trap, use marcc to reply Printing for clubs of all types http://www.jaceeprint.demon.co.uk Stickers, banners & clothing, for clubs,teams, magazines and dealers. > It's the only part of the UK where I have encountered the "It's be" > form of speech in an adult of normal intelligence I went to Dorset yesterday. I talked to quite a few people. Non of them said that. SignatureConor If you're not on somebody's sh.t list, you're not doing anything worthwhile. > > It's the only part of the UK where I have encountered the "It's be" > > form of speech in an adult of normal intelligence > > > I went to Dorset yesterday. I talked to quite a few people. Non of them > said that. But its quite funny on black adder of course! > > > It's the only part of the UK where I have encountered the "It's be" > > > form of speech in an adult of normal intelligence [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > But its quite funny on black adder of course! Everything is funny on Blackadder :-) SignatureConor If you're not on somebody's sh.t list, you're not doing anything worthwhile. > > It's the only part of the UK where I have encountered the "It's be" > > form of speech in an adult of normal intelligence > > > I went to Dorset yesterday. I talked to quite a few people. Non of them > said that. If you were in the lorry they were probably trying to talk slowly and simply to you. If not you probably met the floods of incomes that those in Dorset moan about. You have never lived until you are in a conversation that includes "'E be going down ere E be!" " Do E?" "Aye E be, it's be where E keeps is traps it be!" > If you were in the lorry they were probably trying to talk slowly and > simply to you. If not you probably met the floods of incomes that those [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > " Do E?" > "Aye E be, it's be where E keeps is traps it be!" LOL. SignatureConor If you're not on somebody's sh.t list, you're not doing anything worthwhile. We took our artics to a Ladies driving day in aid of the Marie Curie cancer research day at Collerne Airfield a couple of years ago. The ladies get to drive police cars,rigids, artics, high performance cars, ambulances, and a water filled fire engine so that they could get a feel of how each vehicle operated and reacted. They were also told of problems faced by all the drivers of said vehicles. (Namely the school run !!!!) Then it was into the artic, show them how to get it moving and let em go on the airfield. All that room and they still needed the grass!!! But it must be said that there were a few who knew roughly what they were doing and where they were going. Funny really as these all had family in the HGV game!! But at the end of the day, the ladies said that it had been a real eye opener and would be more vigilant and understanding when having to face each of these types of vehicles on the roads. Now if only we could organise a boy/girl racer day like this or a rep on commission day and let them see the problems that us "Professional" drivers have to face daily at least once.......... Gary > On Saturday 29th May at The 3663 Depot at Livingston The Professional > Drivers Association along with the Scottish Trucker Club are going to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > The public will be able to sit in the vehicles and get a proper idea of > the problems for themselves. > We took our artics to a Ladies driving day in aid of the Marie Curie cancer > research day at Collerne Airfield a couple of years ago. The ladies get to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Then it was into the artic, show them how to get it moving and let em go on > the airfield. If a day like this was organised in Exeter/East Devon area I would love to take part. All that room and they still needed the grass!!! But it must > be said that there were a few who knew roughly what they were doing and > where they were going. Funny really as these all had family in the HGV [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > The public will be able to sit in the vehicles and get a proper idea of > > the problems for themselves. . > If a day like this was organised in Exeter/East Devon area I would > love to take part. THey are held at various places throughout the UK depending on where the PDA can find someone whos willing to run one as it involves opening a commercial premises to the public and tying up vehicles. More info @ www.pda-uk.org SignatureConor If you're not on somebody's sh.t list, you're not doing anything worthwhile. > On Saturday 29th May at The 3663 Depot at Livingston The Professional > Drivers Association along with the Scottish Trucker Club are going to > hold an Lorry Aware Day to raise awareness of the dangers to children > and the general public. They already do that each day, by trying to barge cars off the road and by running over children. ITYM "are holding a day to try to excuse the way they behave." SignatureHaving problems understanding usenet? Or do you simply need help but are getting unhelpful answers? Subscribe to: uk.net.beginners for friendly advice in a flame-free environment. >> On Saturday 29th May at The 3663 Depot at Livingston The Professional >> Drivers Association along with the Scottish Trucker Club are going to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ITYM "are holding a day to try to excuse the way they behave." Have you ever considered becoming an adult? > >> On Saturday 29th May at The 3663 Depot at Livingston The Professional > >> Drivers Association along with the Scottish Trucker Club are going to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Have you ever considered becoming an adult? Wassup thicky? Are you holding your boyfriends hand again? SignatureHaving problems understanding usenet? Or do you simply need help but are getting unhelpful answers? Subscribe to: uk.net.beginners for friendly advice in a flame-free environment. >>>> On Saturday 29th May at The 3663 Depot at Livingston The >>>> Professional Drivers Association along with the Scottish Trucker [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Wassup thicky? Are you holding your boyfriends hand again? How sad that someone who obviously has some potential is incapable of putting it to good use. > How sad that someone who obviously has some potential is incapable of > putting it to good use. Don't delude yourself, you don't have any potential. Not even the 10mV I would normally expect from a living braincell. SignatureHaving problems understanding usenet? Or do you simply need help but are getting unhelpful answers? Subscribe to: uk.net.beginners for friendly advice in a flame-free environment. >> How sad that someone who obviously has some potential is incapable of >> putting it to good use. > > Don't delude yourself, you don't have any potential. Not even the > 10mV I would normally expect from a living braincell. Even sadder that he has to resort to personal abuse when he can't put forward any kind of intelligent argument. Brimstone <brimstone@hotmail.com> wrote on Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:45:43 +0000 (UTC): >>> How sad that someone who obviously has some potential is incapable of >>> putting it to good use. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Even sadder that he has to resort to personal abuse when he can't put > forward any kind of intelligent argument. By my reading, you are insulting yourself with that sentence... SignatureDavid Taylor davidt-news@yadt.co.uk "The future just ain't what it used to be." > Brimstone <brimstone@hotmail.com> wrote on Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:45:43 > +0000 (UTC): [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > By my reading, you are insulting yourself with that sentence... Hmmm, a possibility I suppose, but in reality I was continuing my previous sentence. > > Have you ever considered becoming an adult? > > Wassup thicky? Are you holding your boyfriends hand again? I think that answers that question! > > On Saturday 29th May at The 3663 Depot at Livingston The Professional > > Drivers Association along with the Scottish Trucker Club are going to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ITYM "are holding a day to try to excuse the way they behave." Whats up Steve, yet another member of the public called you a Nazi Traffic Warden again? SignatureConor If you're not on somebody's sh.t list, you're not doing anything worthwhile. > On Saturday 29th May at The 3663 Depot at Livingston The Professional > Drivers Association along with the Scottish Trucker Club are going to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > The public will be able to sit in the vehicles and get a proper idea of > the problems for themselves. An excellent idea, the only problem is that the bulk of the people there already have a clue (and want to learn more) - the ones you REALLY need to get to are exactly the ones that would not accept they would have anything to learn. Simon |
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