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If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. > If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd > wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? Not a chance. You should drive within the speed limit for the distance you can see to be clear. >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck >> it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? > > Not a chance. You should drive within the speed limit for the distance you > can see to be clear. This is the problem with speed bumps: they try to physically enforce a speed limit over the bump that is even lower than the limit on the signs. That's why I hate them. A speed enforcement mechanism should be "invisible" if you are within the limit and only "visible" if you exceed it. Speed bumps are "visible" at any speed - just more so at higher speeds. >>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck >>> it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > if you are within the limit and only "visible" if you exceed it. Speed bumps > are "visible" at any speed - just more so at higher speeds. And they slow cars to different speeds. I see sports cars slow to 5mph, yet in my 4x4 (Honda CRV) I can go more than double the limit. I also think they're dangerous, people tend to swerve around to line their wheels up on the little square ones. I actually saw one car go right to the kerbside so he would go over it more evenly. The car behind him thought he was parking behind another parked car and went to pull round him, at which point the first car swerved back to the right to go round the parked car, nearly clouting him in the side. I've also seen someone almost get rearended on speedbumps going downhill. First car braked sharply to a ridiculously slow speed, the car behind skidded on ice and nearly shunted into the back of him. > >>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck > >>> it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I've also seen someone almost get rearended on speedbumps going downhill. First car braked sharply to a ridiculously slow speed, the car behind skidded on ice and nearly shunted into the back of him. round our way they have three square humps across the road. So cars have to slow, but lorries can go over them at 40 ... and do. >> >>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck >> >>> it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > round our way they have three square humps across the road. So cars > have to slow, but lorries can go over them at 40 ... and do. Wait till there's a car in front of a lorry.  SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com McMurphy fell 12 stories, hitting the pavement like a paper bag filled with vegetable soup. >>>>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >>>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > round our way they have three square humps across the road. So cars > have to slow, but lorries can go over them at 40 ... and do. I believe thats so fire engines & ambulances can go through at speed. My daughter works for LAS and hates the full width ones, especially if they are taking a patient in on blues & twos. Its either jolt 7 bells out of the patient or lose valuable time. SignatureDave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk >>>>>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >>>>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > especially if they are taking a patient in on blues & twos. Its > either jolt 7 bells out of the patient or lose valuable time. So - speed bumps ARE dangerous. -- Ian >>>>>>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >>>>>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > So - speed bumps ARE dangerous. I guess so if you're in the back of an ambulance in urgent need of hospital treatment. It definately slows them down in some areas. In some situations they use a 'scoop & run' policy as they call it. If the best chance of survival is to get the patient to an A&E unit fast, they don't even attempt treatment on scene, they just go like the clappers. Minutes could make the difference. SignatureDave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk >>>>>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >>>>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > if they are taking a patient in on blues & twos. Its either jolt 7 > bells out of the patient or lose valuable time. What happened to that fleet of ambulances that were bought and paid for, yet could not be used because the lift assembly on the bacl fouled speed bumps? The last I heard they were sitting rotting, millions of piunds worth. >>>>>>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >>>>>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > fouled speed bumps? The last I heard they were sitting rotting, > millions of piunds worth. Haven't heard about that. They replaced a load of LDV's with Mercs a few years ago & had trouble with the reliability of the tail lifts fitted, but AFAIK that was sorted out. SignatureDave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk >>>>>>>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >>>>>>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > few years ago & had trouble with the reliability of the tail lifts > fitted, but AFAIK that was sorted out. this was the story from 2003: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/3108405.stm >>>>>>>>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >>>>>>>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > this was the story from 2003: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/3108405.stm Aha! That was in't frozen north. My daughter works for London Ambulance Service, so she prolly wouldn't know - she joined in 04 IIRC. I love the bit which says; "Union official Glen Gears from Unison said there were no staff representatives on the group that drew up the specification for the new ambulances". Bloody typical that, never ask the people who use the things on a daily basis. LAS do seem to involve the staff in the way things are done. SignatureDave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk > This is the problem with speed bumps: they try to physically enforce a > speed limit over the bump that is even lower than the limit on the signs. There's a speed bump at the end of my cul-de-sac which I cannot reliably negotiate in my Fiat Barchetta at more than walking pace, and yet the speed limit is 30mph. It's already (twice) dislodged the heatshield on my exhaust. John. >> This is the problem with speed bumps: they try to physically >> enforce a speed limit over the bump that is even lower than the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and yet the speed limit is 30mph. It's already (twice) dislodged > the heatshield on my exhaust. Then complain to the council. Keep the evidence that you have done so. And next time it damages your car, bill 'em, and sue 'em if necessary. Because they will have failed to maintain the road to a safe standard. "Safe" also means it has to be capable of carrying its normal traffic without causing damage to that traffic. > Then complain to the council. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > "Safe" also means it has to be capable of carrying its normal traffic > without causing damage to that traffic. Thanks for that; if it happens again I'll go down that route. John. > > Then complain to the council. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > "Safe" also means it has to be capable of carrying its normal traffic > > without causing damage to that traffic. > Thanks for that; if it happens again I'll go down that route. Might be difficult to explain in court that every time you go over a certain bump at above a certain speed your car gets damaged, though. Signature*Could it be that "I do " is the longest sentence? * Dave Plowman dave@davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>> Then complain to the council. >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Might be difficult to explain in court that every time you go over a > certain bump at above a certain speed your car gets damaged, though. not hard if the bump exceeds the legal sizes (as many do) > If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd > wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My > Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I > frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. there are legal limits to the size of speed humps, if they are outside these limits the council could be sued for damage caused to vehicles. > If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd > wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf > is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I frequently > see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. They should get a proper car - simples. >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd >> wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf >> is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I frequently >> see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. > > They should get a proper car - simples. I'm quite sure they wear out decent cars too. Cars weren't designed for lumps that big (apart from 4x4s). >>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd >>> wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I'm quite sure they wear out decent cars too. Cars weren't designed for > lumps that big (apart from 4x4s). Think of it as retribution.....running over sleeping policemen. :-) Bod >>>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd >>>> wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Think of it as retribution.....running over sleeping policemen. :-) Queue Kev ... The policemen were not sleeping. You know nothing about what policement do or how they work. He was lying in the road inspecting the road looking for clues. > Bod >>>>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd >>>>> wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Queue Kev ... At least Kev can spell. >>>>>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd >>>>>> wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > At least Kev can spell. There were no spelling errors and only one typo in what you for some reason snipped. Why remove the evidence for your own prosecution? SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com On a Continental Flight with a very "senior" flight attendant crew, the pilot said, "Ladies and gentlemen, we've reached cruising altitude and will be turning down the cabin lights. This is for your comfort, and to enhance the appearance of your flight attendants." Cars weren't designed for > lumps that big (apart from 4x4s). Lose some weight. :-) > Cars weren't designed for >> lumps that big (apart from 4x4s). > > Lose some weight. :-) [sprays cider over monitor] I know a woman who has to drive a 4x4 because she can't physically get into anything else! Even that tilts over to one side when she gets in. She'd improve the handling by fitting some ballast in the other side, but I don't feel like telling her that.... SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com At the end of a tiny deserted bar is a huge scouse bloke - 6ft 5in tall and 350lbs. He's having a few beers, when a short, well dressed and obviously gay man walks in and sits beside him. After 3 or 4 beers, the gay fella finally plucks up the courage to say something to the big Liverpudlian. Leaning over, he cups his huge ear. "Do you want a blow job?" he whispers. At this, the massive Merseysider leaps up with fire in his eyes and smacks the man in the face, knocking him off the stool, he proceeds to beat him all the way out of the bar. Finally he leaves him, badly bruised, in the car park and returns to his seat as if nothing had happened. Amazed the bartender quickly brings over another beer. "I've never seen you react like that" he says. "Just what did he say to you?" "I'm not sure" the big scouser replies." Something about a job." >> Cars weren't designed for >>> lumps that big (apart from 4x4s). [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > She'd improve the handling by fitting some ballast in the other side, > but I don't feel like telling her that.... I'd be no more sex for you if you did. >>> Cars weren't designed for >>>> lumps that big (apart from 4x4s). [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I'd be no more sex for you if you did. lol >>> Cars weren't designed for >>>> lumps that big (apart from 4x4s). [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I'd be no more sex for you if you did. She is not my wife and I don't understand why she is someone's wife. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com An 85-year-old man went to his doctor's office to get a sperm count. The doctor gave the man a jar and said, "Take this jar home and bring back a semen sample tomorrow." The next day the 85-year-old man reappeared at the doctor's office and gave him the jar, which was as clean and empty as on the previous day. The doctor asked what happened and the man explained: "Well, doc, it's like this - First I tried with my right hand, but nothing. Then I tried with my left hand, but still nothing. Then I asked my wife for help. She tried with her right hand, then her left, still nothing. She tried with her mouth, first with the teeth in, then with her teeth out, and still nothing. We even called up Arleen, the lady next door and she tried too, first with both hands, then an armpit and she even tried squeezin' it between her knees, but still nothing." The doctor was shocked! "You asked your neighbour?" The old man replied, "Yep. And no matter what we tried, we still couldn't get the jar open." >>>> Cars weren't designed for >>>>> lumps that big (apart from 4x4s). [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > She is not my wife and I don't understand why she is someone's wife. That's even worse. >>>>> Cars weren't designed for >>>>>> lumps that big (apart from 4x4s). [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > That's even worse. Why? SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com I'm not so think as you drunk I am... >> That's even worse. > > Why? Porking someone else's wife. >>> That's even worse. >> >> Why? > > Porking someone else's wife. You've put me off my dinner. And what's wrong with borrowing someone' else's wife anyway? As long as you don't get caught. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com A Russian, an American, and a Blonde were talking one day. The Russian said, "We were the first in space!" The American said, "We were the first on the moon!" The Blonde said, "So what? We're going to be the first on the sun!" The Russian and the American looked at each other and shook their heads. "You can't land on the sun, you idiot! You'll burn up!" said the Russian. To which the Blonde replied, "We're not stupid, you know. We're going at night!" >> Cars weren't designed for >>> lumps that big (apart from 4x4s). [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > gets in. She'd improve the handling by fitting some ballast in the > other side, but I don't feel like telling her that.... I sold an old escort to a lady over the phone, when she arrived for it I saw that she was about thirty stone, the suspension flattened on one side once she managed to get in and drive away, a few weeks later she phoned to say the seat had collapsed and would I fix it (as a job, not under guarantee, she realised she was rather large) When the car came in the floor had torn out on three sides of the seat mounts and the car was not rotten there, it was clean metal, ripped ! I did some major reinforcing and it lasted for years after that. > If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd > wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My > Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I > frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. I suspect that the major cause of damage from speed humps is not to the suspension but to the inner tyre walls. This is especially so when trying to straddle mini-speed humps. It is a hazard which is not obvious and can be tragic if the tyre blows at speed. From a personal viewpoint, I would like to see speed limiting changed from humps and chicanes - where the driver concentrates on the road and not on the whole scene - to a more vigorous policing strategy. I have driven past schools with so many visual distractions that it would be very easy to miss a child running out into the road. One policeman with a radar gun, whopping fine/ban plus local publicity will soon stop speeding - safely and tidily. Flop >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd >> wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > suspension but to the inner tyre walls. This is especially so when > trying to straddle mini-speed humps. I don't straddle them, I usually put one side of the car over them only. Why wear out both sides? > It is a hazard which is not obvious and can be tragic if the tyre blows > at speed. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > One policeman with a radar gun, whopping fine/ban plus local publicity > will soon stop speeding - safely and tidily. Agreed to the first bit but not the second bit :-P SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com An avid duck hunter was in the market for a new bird dog. His search ended when he found a dog that could actually walk on water to retrieve a duck. Shocked by his find, he was sure none of his friends would ever believe him. He decided to try to break the news to a friend of his, a pessimist by nature, and invited him to hunt with him and his new dog. As they waited by the shore, a flock of ducks flew by. They fired, and a duck fell. The dog responded and jumped into the water. The dog, however, did not sink but instead walked across the water to retrieve the bird, never getting more than his paws wet. The friend saw everything but did not say a single word. On the drive home the hunter asked his friend, "Did you notice anything unusual about my new dog?" "I sure did," responded his friend. "He can't swim." >>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd >>> wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I don't straddle them, I usually put one side of the car over them > only. Why wear out both sides? Have to say I was unaware of the issue of potential inner tyre wall damage until a few weeks ago when it was reported in the press. Round my way at least it's perfectly possible to straddle them without slowing down one iota (which means they are utterly useless) but can you still 'feel' them. Consequently I now also deliberately put one wheel over them; but looking at other drivers' behaviour I think I'm unique. You can see them smugly straddling the humps in your rear-view mirror, thinking 'what is the MUPPET in front of me doing!? David > If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd > wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My > Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I > frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. My car has fairly stiff suspension and I have to slow down to 10-15mph over speed bumps (I'm surprised they are not already called "safety bumps"!). I don't object to 30mph speed limits or driving at a speed less than the speed limit but I do object to being distracted by these humps in the road. I hate the things. As much as I hate speed (greed) cameras, I'd rather the road had those than speedbumps. >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd >> wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > than > speedbumps. I'd rather than all road users (pedestrians and cyclists, as well as car and lorry drivers) were better trained so such draconian speed limits were not necessary in the first place. But if you must have severe limits, police them by cameras rather than any physical restriction. > > If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd > > wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My > > Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I > > frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. > My car has fairly stiff suspension and I have to slow down to 10-15mph > over speed bumps (I'm surprised they are not already called "safety > bumps"!). I don't object to 30mph speed limits or driving at a speed > less than the speed limit but I do object to being distracted by these > humps in the road. I hate the things. > As much as I hate speed (greed) cameras, I'd rather the road had those > than speedbumps. Sadly regular users of a route know where the cameras are and just slow down for them - then speed up again. You can't really do that with speed bumps. And there's no doubt they slow the traffic down. For each of the ones here who say they stick to a 30 limit there are hundreds that don't. So both lots get penalised equally. I have a dog, and my route to the common involves a rat run. Before the speed bumps it was near impossible to cross - traffic hammered down it at silly speeds. Now they don't. QED, I'm afraid. Signature*People want trepanners like they want a hole in the head* Dave Plowman dave@davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> > If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd >> > wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > down for them - then speed up again. You can't really do that with speed > bumps. Actually that's exactly what you have to do with the speed bumps. > And there's no doubt they slow the traffic down. For each of the > ones here who say they stick to a 30 limit there are hundreds that don't. > So both lots get penalised equally. Yes you have to slow to a lot less than 30mph, especially those ones bolted to the road that are more like steps than bumps. And the speed necessary to negotiate them varies with each vehicle -- and with each bump (I've seen cars try and cross them diagonally to reduce the gradient). This causes certain problems: if you're about to turn left into a main road at a junction protected by bumps, is that car you're waiting for going to be one of the 4/5 that will have to slow down (giving you time to turn) or one of 1/5 that will go straight across without slowing? And those 'pillow' bumps require you to position yourself laterally at just the right spot, but this position is in conflict with other hazards such as parked vehicles, cyclists, and oncoming lorries. > I have a dog, and my route to the common involves a rat run. Before the > speed bumps it was near impossible to cross - traffic hammered down it at > silly speeds. Now they don't. QED, I'm afraid. There should be a zebra crossing there. Drivers seem to like zebra crossings because there is usually a reason to stop, and once the pedestrian has crossed, you can carry on. Compare with pelican crossings! SignatureBartc > > Sadly regular users of a route know where the cameras are and just > > slow down for them - then speed up again. You can't really do that > > with speed bumps. > Actually that's exactly what you have to do with the speed bumps. If they are close enough together no point in speeding up between them. [snip] > > I have a dog, and my route to the common involves a rat run. Before > > the speed bumps it was near impossible to cross - traffic hammered > > down it at silly speeds. Now they don't. QED, I'm afraid. > There should be a zebra crossing there. Drivers seem to like zebra > crossings because there is usually a reason to stop, and once the > pedestrian has crossed, you can carry on. Compare with pelican > crossings! 'They' won't put in a pedestrian crossing unless traffic density/possible pedestrian use justifies it. There is a light controlled crossing at the traffic lights where this side road joins the main one - but traffic waiting to turn right into the side road ignore it. After all they wouldn't dare turn across an oncoming car but are happy to drive through pedestrian lights at green. Signature*A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory * Dave Plowman dave@davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> I have a dog, and my route to the common involves a rat run. Before the >> speed bumps it was near impossible to cross - traffic hammered down it at [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > because there is usually a reason to stop, and once the pedestrian has > crossed, you can carry on. Compare with pelican crossings! Simple, treat a pelican crossing the same as a zebra. I once saw a boy pressing the cross button repeatedly just to stop all the traffic for a laugh. As I approached he pressed it again and it went red. I simply continued and gave him the finger. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Lawyers should never ask a Southern grandma a question if they aren't prepared for the answer. In a trial, a Southern small-town prosecuting attorney called his first witness, a grand motherly, elderly woman to the stand. He approached her and asked, "Mrs. Jones, do you know me?" She responded, "Why, yes, I do know you, Mr. Williams. I've known you since you were a young boy, and frankly, you've been a big disappointment to me. You lie, you cheat on your wife, and you manipulate people and talk about them behind their backs. You think you're a big shot when you haven't the brains to realize you never will amount to anything more than a two-bit paper pusher Yes, I know you." The lawyer was stunned! Not knowing what else to do, he pointed across the room and asked, "Mrs. Jones, do you know the defence attorney?" She again replied, "Why, yes, I do. I've known Mr. Bradley since he was a youngster, too. He's lazy, bigoted, and he has a drinking problem. He can't build a normal relationship with anyone and his law practice is one of the worst in the entire state. Not to mention he cheated on his wife with three different women. One of them was your wife. Yes, I know him." The defense attorney almost died. The judge asked both counselors to approach the bench and, in a very quiet voice, said, "If either of you idiots asks her if she knows me, I'll send you to the electric chair." >If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. If you drove round a blind bend at the speed limit, you might kill someone. Could you then sue the council? SignatureIan D >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. > > If you drove round a blind bend at the speed limit, you might kill > someone. Could you then sue the council? You appear to be suggesting that the road has suddenly become less safe and should be driven at a lower speed just because of artificial humps.... SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com But she was always fat. She was born an only twin. >>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. >> >> If you drove round a blind bend at the speed limit, you might kill >> someone. Could you then sue the council? > >You appear to be suggesting that the road has suddenly become less safe and should be driven at a lower speed just because of artificial humps.... What's an unsafe road? SignatureIan D >>>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What's an unsafe road? One with blind bits for example. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true. >>>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. >>> If you drove round a blind bend at the speed limit, you might kill >>> someone. Could you then sue the council? >> You appear to be suggesting that the road has suddenly become less safe and should be driven at a lower speed just because of artificial humps.... > > What's an unsafe road? Ones that have explosive devices hidden in the humps. Bod > If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. It is an old chestnut. Speed humps has to conform with strict specifications; height, angles, warning signs. If they don't conform, then you have a good case for suing the council. >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. > > It is an old chestnut. Speed humps has to conform with strict specifications; > height, angles, warning signs. If they don't conform, then you have a good case > for suing the council. On long 'rat run' roads where there are multiple humps, wouldn't it make more sense to remove the humps and put "average speed cameras" at each end of the road, with say, a 20mph limit? That way, any emergency services won't have to slow down at all. Bod Bod submitted this idea : > On long 'rat run' roads where there are multiple humps, wouldn't it make more > sense to remove the humps and put "average speed cameras" > at each end of the road, with say, a 20mph limit? > > That way, any emergency services won't have to slow down at all. Yes, but cameras are expensive, need to earn revenue and need lots of maintenance. The humps need almost none and are a cheap solution. SignatureRegards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk > Bod submitted this idea : >> On long 'rat run' roads where there are multiple humps, wouldn't it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Yes, but cameras are expensive, need to earn revenue and need lots of > maintenance. The humps need almost none and are a cheap solution. I don't know how much two averaging cameras would cost, but I would guess that installing, say 20 humps would cost many thousands of pounds, if you include all the road markings etc, that would need changing. Bod > On long 'rat run' roads where there are multiple humps, wouldn't it make > more sense to remove the humps and put "average speed cameras" > at each end of the road, with say, a 20mph limit? No, because the councillors that live on that road want the traffic to use a different road, not just slow down. > > On long 'rat run' roads where there are multiple humps, wouldn't it > > make more sense to remove the humps and put "average speed cameras" > > at each end of the road, with say, a 20mph limit? > No, because the councillors that live on that road want the traffic to > use a different road, not just slow down. Wandsworth must have an awful lot of councillors... Signature*The closest I ever got to a 4.0 in school was my blood alcohol content* Dave Plowman dave@davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > That way, any emergency services won't have to > slow down at all. But low limits are often ignored. Speed humps are ok with me as long as they're only used on roads leading into residential areas. For some reason they've put up 30mph signs in the cul-de-sac where i live. I can't imagine going that fast around the centre island, LOL. >>>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. >>> It is an old chestnut. Speed humps has to conform with strict specifications; [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > For some reason they've put up 30mph signs in the cul-de-sac where i live. > I can't imagine going that fast around the centre island, LOL. Our council tax pays for that total waste of money (I assume)? Bod >>>>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd >>>>> wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> reason they've put up 30mph signs in the cul-de-sac where i live. I can't >> imagine going that fast around the centre island, LOL. If there aren't any street lights it would otherwise be NSL! > >>>>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd > >>>>> wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > If there aren't any street lights it would otherwise be NSL! That's the irony. All to often 30mph signs are missing in order to catch you out. E.g. a speed limit cancellation sign following 40mph can actually mean 30mph; if lamp posts are closer than 200 yards. And then they put a 30mph sign in a silly place like my cul-de-sac! >> If there aren't any street lights it would otherwise be NSL! > > That's the irony. All to often 30mph signs are missing in order to catch you out. > E.g. a speed limit cancellation sign following 40mph can actually mean 30mph; if > lamp posts are closer than 200 yards. The NSL sign means 70/60 mph, even if it is on a lamp post, and there is another lamppost 100 yards away. > >> If there aren't any street lights it would otherwise be NSL! > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The NSL sign means 70/60 mph, even if it is on a lamp post, and there is > another lamppost 100 yards away. But NSL is 30mph in build up areas. >>>> If there aren't any street lights it would otherwise be NSL! >>> That's the irony. All to often 30mph signs are missing in order to catch you out. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > But NSL is 30mph in build up areas. The HC puts it that way, but in the regulations NSL means any prohibition imposed on a road by the 70 miles per hour, 60 miles per hour and 50 miles per hour (Temporary Speed Limit) Order 1977 http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2002/20023113.htm 5 and nobody thinks that NSL on a trunk road with lighting means 30mph > >>>> If there aren't any street lights it would otherwise be NSL! > >>> That's the irony. All to often 30mph signs are missing in order to catch you out. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > and nobody thinks that NSL on a trunk road with lighting means 30mph Hehe. A few years back, the police were catching drivers from Swakeley's roundabout (A40) and into Uxbridge town. This is a dual carriageway with urban lamp post, hence drivers were done for exceeding 30 mph. Later on, the speed limit was signposted to 40mph. >> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > But low limits are often ignored. Average speed cameras are not. > Speed humps are ok with me as long as > they're only used on roads leading into residential areas. And if you live there, your mechanics bill will be massive. > For some reason they've put up 30mph signs in the cul-de-sac where i live. > I can't imagine going that fast around the centre island, LOL. I bet you I could give a it a good shot. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Women are like a pack of cards... you need a heart to love them, diamonds to marry them, a club to kill them and a spade to bury them. >>> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > And if you live there, your mechanics bill will be massive. I have 3 of them in my road. My car is 4 years old and the suspension is fine. Maybe it's because I drive properly? >>>> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > I have 3 of them in my road. My car is 4 years old and the suspension is > fine. Maybe it's because I drive properly? Or annoyingly slowly. Plus your car is quite new. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Why are there more white people killed in avalanches than blacks? The blacks are easier to find in the snow. >>>>> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >>>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Or annoyingly slowly. There's your problem. > Plus your car is quite new. Rubbish. Old cars must have good suspension or they wouldn't have an MOT. >>>>>> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >>>>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > There's your problem. Why the f.ck should I have to spend all day going slowly over things instead of being at my destination? >> Plus your car is quite new. > > Rubbish. Old cars must have good suspension or they wouldn't have an MOT. An MOT does not mean the car is in good condition. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Joey's teacher sent a note home to his Mother saying, "Joey seems to be a very bright boy, but spends too much of his time thinking about sex and girls." The Mother wrote back the next day, "If you find a solution, please advise. I have the same problem with his Father." >>>>>>> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >>>>>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > An MOT does not mean the car is in good condition. Faulty suspension is an MOT fail. <snip> >>>>>>> But low limits are often ignored. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Faulty suspension is an MOT fail. Caused by speedbumps. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Bedlam broke out at the monthly meeting of the Westerville Garden Club this month. The Master Gardener was asked if she truly believed that tender care could make a plant grow. In a totally serious tone she replied, "I certainly do. It's been my experience that anything organic can be greatly increased in size by affectionate handling." > <snip> >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Caused by speedbumps. I've driven over speed humps as much as anyone else and my suspension is fine. Maybe it's because I take them slowly as they are put there for? > > <snip> > >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > I've driven over speed humps as much as anyone else and my suspension is > fine. Maybe it's because I take them slowly as they are put there for? Quite so. Speed humps can also damage wheel bearings and the catalyst if taken at speed. Why take the risk? My car is 16 years old and still tip-top. >>>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:00:04 -0000, Geoff >>>> <wizardofoz@talktalk.net> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > suspension is fine. Maybe it's because I take them slowly as they > are put there for? A whole fleet of 20 bendybuses was withdrawn from Southampton because the local council would not withdraw the speedbumps from Millbrook. (Local rumour was that the speedbumps were there to keep local minds active.....) >> <snip> >>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > I've driven over speed humps as much as anyone else and my suspension is > fine. Maybe it's because I take them slowly as they are put there for? The speed bumps cause excessive stress to the suspension dampers. This leads to premature failure. > > I've driven over speed humps as much as anyone else and my suspension > > is fine. Maybe it's because I take them slowly as they are put there > > for? > The speed bumps cause excessive stress to the suspension dampers. This > leads to premature failure. No strain on any suspension components if you drive over them slowly enough. SignatureHe who laughs last, thinks slowest* Dave Plowman dave@davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>> I've driven over speed humps as much as anyone else and my suspension >>> is fine. Maybe it's because I take them slowly as they are put there [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > No strain on any suspension components if you drive over them slowly > enough. I find the road humps that are placed at an angle the most annoying. Bod >> > I've driven over speed humps as much as anyone else and my suspension >> > is fine. Maybe it's because I take them slowly as they are put there [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > No strain on any suspension components if you drive over them slowly > enough. You would need to be going extremely slowly to not cause the springs to compress. >>> > I've driven over speed humps as much as anyone else and my suspension >>> > is fine. Maybe it's because I take them slowly as they are put there [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >You would need to be going extremely slowly to not cause the springs to >compress. Show me some springs on my car and I'll check them for damage. SignatureIan D > In article <hd8ndu$n17$1@news.eternal-september.org>, >> The speed bumps cause excessive stress to the suspension dampers. This >> leads to premature failure. > > No strain on any suspension components if you drive over them slowly > enough. Mr. Young (of modulus fame) should be twirling in his grave. > > In article <hd8ndu$n17$1@news.eternal-september.org>, > >> The speed bumps cause excessive stress to the suspension dampers. This > >> leads to premature failure. > > > > No strain on any suspension components if you drive over them slowly > > enough. > Mr. Young (of modulus fame) should be twirling in his grave. Indeed. But if you want to be that picky there is stress on all the suspension components with the car just parked up. And jacking it up won't help - just reverse the stress on some of them. Signature*He who laughs last, thinks slowest. Dave Plowman dave@davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > DavidR <curedham@4bidden.org.uk> wrote: >> > Mr Benn <nospam@invalid.invalid> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > suspension components with the car just parked up. And jacking it up won't > help - just reverse the stress on some of them. Quite so. But let's be picky. Since we're trying to describe something fairly vague wouldn't the word "loading" be simpler? >>> <snip> >>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >The speed bumps cause excessive stress to the suspension dampers. This >leads to premature failure. Show me some dampers on my car and I'll check them for damage. SignatureIan D >>> I've driven over speed humps as much as anyone else and my suspension is >>> fine. Maybe it's because I take them slowly as they are put there for? >> The speed bumps cause excessive stress to the suspension dampers. This >> leads to premature failure. > > Show me some dampers on my car and I'll check them for damage. They probably fell of when you hit the last humps at 45MPH >>>> I've driven over speed humps as much as anyone else and my suspension is >>>> fine. Maybe it's because I take them slowly as they are put there for? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >They probably fell of when you hit the last humps at 45MPH That'll likely be it, then - I certainly have no trouble negotiating speed humps at 45mph when it's appropriate. You don't think the effect of speed humps *might* just be different on different cars, do you? Nah - silly idea... SignatureIan D >>>> <snip> >>>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >> > Show me some dampers on my car and I'll check them for damage One of my cars didn't have any either. It was the best one I've owned for going over speed bumps. Mike P >>>>> <snip> >>>>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >One of my cars didn't have any either. It was the best one I've owned for >going over speed bumps. Indeed, I believe that one was very similar to mine. SignatureIan D >> Show me some dampers on my car and I'll check them for damage > > One of my cars didn't have any either. It was the best one I've owned for > going over speed bumps. > > Mike P You would certainly know about it if your car had no suspension dampers! >>> Show me some dampers on my car and I'll check them for damage >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You would certainly know about it if your car had no suspension > dampers! there are millions of cars without conventional dampers, such as citroens, rolls royces and leyland offerings. but that is not to say that they have no damping, just that it is managed in a different way. > >>>> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, > >>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Or annoyingly slowly. Speed humps are usually on roads leading a short distance into a residential area. The time delay on jour journey is minuscule. >> >>>> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >> >>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Speed humps are usually on roads leading a short distance into a residential area. > The time delay on jour journey is minuscule. Not so. There are many main roads going through a small town which have them. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com If you are having sex with TWO women and ONE more woman walks in, what do you have? Divorce proceedings, most likely. > >> >>>> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, > >> >>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Not so. There are many main roads going through a small town which have them. There is usually another way for through traffic. >> >> >>>> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >> >> >>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > There is usually another way for through traffic. Not if there's a bloody school on the main road. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com >>> >> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:32:25 -0000, Geoff >>> <wizardofoz@talktalk.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Not if there's a bloody school on the main road. 'Bloody speed humps' and 'bloody schools'. Let's all get out of your way and leave you to drive on the roads you own eh? >>>> >> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:32:25 -0000, Geoff >>>> <wizardofoz@talktalk.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > 'Bloody speed humps' and 'bloody schools'. Let's all get out of your way > and leave you to drive on the roads you own eh? Well roads are primarily designed to be driven on. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com The only substitute for good manners is fast reflexes. > > 'Bloody speed humps' and 'bloody schools'. Let's all get out of your > > way and leave you to drive on the roads you own eh? > Well roads are primarily designed to be driven on. And speed limits are a maximum - not a target to be achieved or exceeded at all costs. If more realised this speed bumps would never have been needed. Signature*A fool and his money can throw one hell of a party. Dave Plowman dave@davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> > 'Bloody speed humps' and 'bloody schools'. Let's all get out of your >> > way and leave you to drive on the roads you own eh? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > at all costs. If more realised this speed bumps would never have been > needed. The speed limits are too bloody slow as it is without going UNDER them ffs. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com "Politicians are interested in people. Not that this is always a virtue. Fleas are interested in dogs." >>> > 'Bloody speed humps' and 'bloody schools'. Let's all get out of your >>> > way and leave you to drive on the roads you own eh? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The speed limits are too bloody slow as it is without going UNDER them > ffs. A 20 limit outside a school is far too *high* a speed Tony <toneyharoldsmith@virgin.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > A 20 limit outside a school is far too *high* a speed Umm, why? > Tony <toneyharoldsmith@virgin.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying: > >> A 20 limit outside a school is far too *high* a speed > > Umm, why? Derrrrrrrrr because kids tend to run out and wander in roads. One at a time is one thing but hundreds of the little darlings.... >>> A 20 limit outside a school is far too *high* a speed >> >> Umm, why? > >Derrrrrrrrr because kids tend to run out and wander in roads. One at a >time is one thing but hundreds of the little darlings.... But does that apply all the time, or only at specific times on certain days of the year? SignatureCynic >>>> A 20 limit outside a school is far too *high* a speed >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > But does that apply all the time, or only at specific times on certain > days of the year? As I posted, during school chucking out time no cars at all in the road >>>>> A 20 limit outside a school is far too *high* a speed >>>> Umm, why? >>> Derrrrrrrrr because kids tend to run out and wander in roads. One at a >>> time is one thing but hundreds of the little darlings.... >> But does that apply all the time, or only at specific times on certain >> days of the year? >As I posted, during school chucking out time no cars at all in the road Do you believe that the number of children killed or seriously injured in such a circumstance warrants such a severe curtailing of everyone's freedom? In fact, do you *know* how many children are killed or injured each year, or are you coming up with a solution to a problem that exists mainly in your imagination? SignatureCynic >>>>>> A 20 limit outside a school is far too *high* a speed > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > injured each year, or are you coming up with a solution to a problem > that exists mainly in your imagination? There are plenty of examples of children being killed or injured by motor cars at school closing time. Often as a result of poor parking by parents and poor road skills by the children. While it would be much safer if cars could be re-routed for that 30mins, I can't see it being practical. However, when there are lots of children around I end up driving at near walking pace. Don't you? >> Do you believe that the number of children killed or seriously injured >> in such a circumstance warrants such a severe curtailing of everyone's >> freedom? In fact, do you *know* how many children are killed or >> injured each year, or are you coming up with a solution to a problem >> that exists mainly in your imagination? >There are plenty of examples of children being killed or injured by motor >cars at school closing time. I'm sure there are - but what exactly are the numbers, and do those numbers represent any significant problem? There are plenty of examples of childrten drowning in baths and ponds as well, but not enough to warrant banning either of those things. >Often as a result of poor parking by parents >and poor road skills by the children. >While it would be much safer if cars could be re-routed for that 30mins, I >can't see it being practical. However, when there are lots of children >around I end up driving at near walking pace. Don't you? Yes, I do - whether there is a school nearby or not, and whatever the speed limit is at that place. Anyone who does not do so would probably be reckless enough to disobey any regulation that might be put in place. Laws will not prevent such accidents. SignatureCynic Tony <toneyharoldsmith@virgin.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> A 20 limit outside a school is far too *high* a speed >> Umm, why? > Derrrrrrrrr because kids tend to run out and wander in roads. One at a > time is one thing but hundreds of the little darlings.... 24 x 7 x 365? Do they? Really? >Tony <toneyharoldsmith@virgin.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like >they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >24 x 7 x 365? Do they? Really? (You do realise that's seven years?) SignatureIan D Ian Dalziel <iandalziel@lineone.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>24 x 7 x 365? Do they? Really? > (You do realise that's seven years?) Yeh, it's a secondary school with a sixth form. YKWIM. >> Tony <toneyharoldsmith@virgin.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like >> they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Derrrrrrrrr because kids tend to run out and wander in roads. One at a > time is one thing but hundreds of the little darlings.... A speed limit is part of the solution. You can still do serious damage at 20mph. The primary problems [ignoring idiots who would ignore the 20mph anyway] are sightlines and distractions. A straight road with no cars parked, no chicanes or speedbumps will go a long way to solving the problem. Dont forget - it is not just you who cannot see the child but the child who cannot see you. My son, as a toddler, ran out of the house and into the road. The road is an A road, 40mph. A serious accident was avoided because cars do not park on the verge and it was a bus coming. The driver was travelling well within the speed limit and was obviously concentrating on his driving. [not a practice of most drivers] And as for how many.... .... one is enough ........... and more than enough if it your child. Flop Flop <Flop@flop.knot.me.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Dont forget - it is not just you who cannot see the child but the child > who cannot see you. Of course they can - IF they follow the GXC properly. > My son, as a toddler, ran out of the house and into the road. I blame the parents. > Flop <Flop@flop.knot.me.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Of course they can - IF they follow the GXC properly. I doubt that a 2 year old would be able to read it. >> My son, as a toddler, ran out of the house and into the road. > > I blame the parents. >>> Dont forget - it is not just you who cannot see the child but the child >>> who cannot see you. >> Of course they can - IF they follow the GXC properly. >I doubt that a 2 year old would be able to read it. Which is why 2 year olds need to be under 100% supervision by a responsible adult at all times that they are in such a risk situation. SignatureCynic >>>> Dont forget - it is not just you who cannot see the child but the >>>> child [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Which is why 2 year olds need to be under 100% supervision by a > responsible adult at all times that they are in such a risk situation. Absolutely but I am sure that any child of yours as mine did will occasionally so something unexpectedly. Robert <robroyhome@talktalk.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> Which is why 2 year olds need to be under 100% supervision by a >> responsible adult at all times that they are in such a risk situation. > Absolutely but I am sure that any child of yours as mine did will > occasionally so something unexpectedly. Which is why you keep a closer eye on 'em than a hungry Kestrel does on a tasty looking baby rabbit. >> Which is why 2 year olds need to be under 100% supervision by a >> responsible adult at all times that they are in such a risk situation. >Absolutely but I am sure that any child of yours as mine did will >occasionally so something unexpectedly. They didn't get a chance to do anything highly dangerous at that age. Anywhere near traffic they were either carried, in a pushchair or on reigns. It's when they gare a bit older and considered to be responsible enough to do a few things on their own that it can get hairy IME. SignatureCynic > >> Which is why 2 year olds need to be under 100% supervision by a > >> responsible adult at all times that they are in such a risk situation. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It's when they gare a bit older and considered to be responsible > enough to do a few things on their own that it can get hairy IME. Yes, responsible like this! http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/13/toddler-compensation-attack-car-jack or http://tinyurl.com/ykhbydd SignatureHalmyre This is the most powerful sigfile in the world and will probably blow your head clean off. >Yes, responsible like this! > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/13/toddler-compensation-attack-car-jack I can just see the attacker growing up into a well balanced model citizen who never gets into trouble with the police. Not. B2003 Robert <robroyhome@talktalk.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> Dont forget - it is not just you who cannot see the child but the >>> child who cannot see you. >> Of course they can - IF they follow the GXC properly. > I doubt that a 2 year old would be able to read it. Umm, do you allow your 2yo to cross the road on their own? Or would you agree that that is EXACTLY why responsible parents supervise their children until they ARE old enough to understand... Clue: They are not "little people". They are children. >>> My son, as a toddler, ran out of the house and into the road. >> I blame the parents. >My son, as a toddler, ran out of the house and into the road. > >The road is an A road, 40mph. So? Thats your fault for leaving the door open. If he had been run over it would still be your fault, not the fault of the driver. Theres something called parental responsibility. B2003 >>My son, as a toddler, ran out of the house and into the road. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >would still be your fault, not the fault of the driver. Theres something >called parental responsibility. Nope, it's not worth risking even one little life. We need a 20mph limit outside Flop's house immediately please. For God's sake think of the... SignatureIan D > >> Tony <toneyharoldsmith@virgin.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like > >> they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > My son, as a toddler, ran out of the house and into the road. That was a tad stupid of you, wasn't it? SignatureHalmyre This is the most powerful sigfile in the world and will probably blow your head clean off. >>>> Tony <toneyharoldsmith@virgin.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like >>>> they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > That was a tad stupid of you, wasn't it? Maybe but a kid running off during a momentary lapse of concentration is hardly unusual. What about kids who wake up during the night and wander around the house while mum and dad are asleep? > Maybe but a kid running off during a momentary lapse of concentration is > hardly unusual. What about kids who wake up during the night and wander > around the house while mum and dad are asleep? Haven't people heard of handcuffs? Surely Baby Gap do a suitable range. Harold <me@privacy.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Maybe but a kid running off during a momentary lapse of concentration is > hardly unusual. No more so than somebody having a "momentary lapse of concentration" whilst driving. And, I suggest, equally laudable. > What about kids who wake up during the night and wander > around the house while mum and dad are asleep? Umm, isn't there a locked door between them and the outside world? Haven't you "kid-proofed" your house? It's quite simple. If you can't look after the damn things properly, don't breed 'em. It's not like the world really _needs_ your genes to pollute another generation. >Maybe but a kid running off during a momentary lapse of concentration is >hardly unusual. What about kids who wake up during the night and wander >around the house while mum and dad are asleep? That's what cots, stairgates and closed doors are for. As said, the situation does not become overly unmanagable until the child is a bit older than 2, and has sussed out how to get past such obsticles. SignatureCynic >> Maybe but a kid running off during a momentary lapse of concentration is >> hardly unusual. What about kids who wake up during the night and wander [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > situation does not become overly unmanagable until the child is a bit > older than 2, and has sussed out how to get past such obsticles. >>>>> Tony <toneyharoldsmith@virgin.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like >>>>> they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >hardly unusual. What about kids who wake up during the night and wander >around the house while mum and dad are asleep? That's it! 20mph limit inside all houses at once! SignatureIan D >> Tony <toneyharoldsmith@virgin.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like >> they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Derrrrrrrrr because kids tend to run out and wander in roads. One at a >time is one thing but hundreds of the little darlings.... How often are there hundreds of kids around at 3 am? How often do school buildings run out into the road? As you say, Derrrrrrrrr. SignatureIan D >Tony <toneyharoldsmith@virgin.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like >they were saying: > >> A 20 limit outside a school is far too *high* a speed > >Umm, why? Repeat after me - "Think of The Children". Cars are so dangerous to kids they should be slowed to a stop! Or even better they should be doing negative speeds and all be driving backwards! That is of course until all those fuckwitted "concerned" parents who make such a noise about it get into their bloated 4x4s and roar off down someone else road, then its a different story. B2003 >> Tony <toneyharoldsmith@virgin.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like >> they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > B2003 So the answer is to ban all cars from outside schools or better still close the roads off during school out time. Tony <toneyharoldsmith@virgin.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > So the answer is to ban all cars from outside schools or better still > close the roads off during school out time. Since the main hazard on roads past schools at kicking-in and -out o'clock is the cretinous parking of those dropping the kids off, simply introducing and enforcing parking restrictions would probably have a similar effect. > Tony <toneyharoldsmith@virgin.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > introducing and enforcing parking restrictions would probably have a > similar effect. It would be a start certainly >> That is of course until all those fuckwitted "concerned" parents who make >> such a noise about it get into their bloated 4x4s and roar off down [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >So the answer is to ban all cars from outside schools or better still >close the roads off during school out time. Or even better - teach the brats the green cross code though these days not being allowed to run out in front of a car is probably a breach of their human rights. B2003 > On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:14:21 -0000 > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Or even better - teach the brats the green cross code though these days Well, indeed. We got it drummed into us from the first day at school back in the 70s. No kids in the 6 years I had at that school got knocked down outside it. Similar with the cycling proficiency test. We all had to do that when we were 8 or 9 before we were deemed suitable to ride anywhere near a road, let alone on it. It wasn't all fluffy and nice either. It was "cars are dangerous, look out for them. They will kill you" sort of thing. We need more of this sort of thing these days. Mike P > Tony <toneyharoldsmith@virgin.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying: > > > A 20 limit outside a school is far too *high* a speed > > Umm, why? Because the hysteria merchants like to have something to rant about. Obviously all cars passing a school should be preceded by someone carrying a red flag. It would probably help if anyone driving faster than 12mph were automatically declared to be a paedophile. > >>> > 'Bloody speed humps' and 'bloody schools'. Let's all get out of your > >>> > way and leave you to drive on the roads you own eh? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > A 20 limit outside a school is far too *high* a speed You see that pedal in the middle. It's the brakes. If you press it, you stop. If you press it harder, you stop quicker.. Mike P >> >>> > 'Bloody speed humps' and 'bloody schools'. Let's all get out of your >> >>> > way and leave you to drive on the roads you own eh? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Mike P Trouble is the authorities are under the impression everyone has faulty brakes. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com An avid duck hunter was in the market for a new bird dog. His search ended when he found a dog that could actually walk on water to retrieve a duck. Shocked by his find, he was sure none of his friends would ever believe him. He decided to try to break the news to a friend of his, a pessimist by nature, and invited him to hunt with him and his new dog. As they waited by the shore, a flock of ducks flew by. They fired, and a duck fell. The dog responded and jumped into the water. The dog, however, did not sink but instead walked across the water to retrieve the bird, never getting more than his paws wet. The friend saw everything but did not say a single word. On the drive home the hunter asked his friend, "Did you notice anything unusual about my new dog?" "I sure did," responded his friend. "He can't swim." >>>> > 'Bloody speed humps' and 'bloody schools'. Let's all get out of your >>>> > way and leave you to drive on the roads you own eh? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > A 20 limit outside a school is far too *high* a speed Teach the little sh.ts the green cross code. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Amanpreet was bragging that in HIS country there is 79 different ways to make mad passionate love. Ray listened patiently. "That's amazing. Where I come from there's really only one." "Oh," sniffed Amanpreet, "just one? And which way is that?" "Well, there's a man and there's a woman . . . " "Praise Allah!" Amanpreet exclaims, "Number 80!" > > And speed limits are a maximum - not a target to be achieved or > > exceeded at all costs. If more realised this speed bumps would never > > have been needed. > The speed limits are too bloody slow as it is without going UNDER them > ffs. And there we have it in a nutshell. From a nutcase. Signature*A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory * Dave Plowman dave@davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> > And speed limits are a maximum - not a target to be achieved or >> > exceeded at all costs. If more realised this speed bumps would never [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And there we have it in a nutshell. From a nutcase. Try reasoning. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com You can't please everyone. But it IS possible to piss 'em ALL off at the same time. >> >>>> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >> >>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Speed humps are usually on roads leading a short distance into a > residential area. The time delay on jour journey is minuscule. Not in Staines or Stevenage they're not. There is one road in Stevenage over a mile long that has speed bumps all the way along it. When I go there, I avoid that road completely if I can help it. I pity the people who live in that street. >>> >>>> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >>> >>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >there, I avoid that road completely if I can help it. I pity the people >who live in that street. We have a 20mph zone with speed bumps in the approach roads and along out road. Absolutely no use whatsoever. The fuckwit tendency still drive at 40. I've even had one idiot in a 4x4 pulling out and overtaking at about 50 past the local primary school. Even in a 4x4 his wheels left the ground when he hit the raised crossing section next to the school gates. Yep; I'm no fan of CCTV but speed cameras would be welcome round here instead of humps and road narrowing >>>> >>>> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >>>> >>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > next to the school gates. Yep; I'm no fan of CCTV but speed cameras > would be welcome round here instead of humps and road narrowing It's no wonder people overtake (including me). Some people slow to less than 5mph, which is VERY annoying. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Why does sour cream have an expiration date? >>>>> >>>> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >>>>> >>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > It's no wonder people overtake (including me). Some people slow to less > than 5mph, which is VERY annoying. 5 MPH sounds about right over speed humps. How many points do you have on your license? >> It's no wonder people overtake (including me). Some people slow to less >> than 5mph, which is VERY annoying. > > 5 MPH sounds about right over speed humps. How many points do you have on > your license? Why does there need to be a 5 mph limit in the precise location where the speed hump is sited? Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart before the horse: decide what speed limit is needed and find a way of enforcing it, *not* the other way round! >>> It's no wonder people overtake (including me). Some people slow to less >>> than 5mph, which is VERY annoying. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Why does there need to be a 5 mph limit in the precise location where > the speed hump is sited? There doesn't but I drive over them at 5MPH and my suspension doesn't get damaged. I'm happy. > Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart before the > horse: decide what speed limit is needed and find a way of enforcing it, > *not* the other way round! > Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart before the > horse: decide what speed limit is needed and find a way of enforcing it, > *not* the other way round! Suggest a practical way of enforcing a speed limit without humps. Better minds have tried and failed. Signature*They call it PMS because Mad Cow Disease was already taken. Dave Plowman dave@davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >Suggest a practical way of enforcing a speed limit without humps. Better >minds have tried and failed. Chicanes and width restrictions seem to work quite well where I live. Speed bumps to me seem to be the cheap solution rather than the best. B2003 >> Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart before >> the horse: decide what speed limit is needed and find a way of >> enforcing it, *not* the other way round! > > Suggest a practical way of enforcing a speed limit without humps. > Better minds have tried and failed. no problem, just go back to cobbled streets or the modern equivalent, at a small housing development near me there is a section of road on the way in which is made with bricks that are at an angle, the effect is like a pointy grid on the floor, at a low speed it is barely noticeable, but even a little faster and the whole vehicle shudders in a horrible way, a bit like being on a vibration plate machine. It is extremely effective at slowing things down, has no sudden rise or fall, is cheap, etc. etc. there is no reason that whole lengths of road could not be done in it, no doubt the cyclists would not like it though. > > In article <KbWdnRmma6LcoWrXnZ2dnUVZ7tidn...@brightview.co.uk>, > >> Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart before [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > that whole lengths of road could not be done in it, no doubt the cyclists > would not like it though. boo hoo >>> Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart before >>> the horse: decide what speed limit is needed and find a way of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > that whole lengths of road could not be done in it, no doubt the cyclists > would not like it though. Build a 2 feet wide level strip for them. >>> Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart before >>> the horse: decide what speed limit is needed and find a way of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > no problem, just go back to cobbled streets or the modern equivalent, ... ... potholes. SignatureMalthus was right. [email me, if you must, at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk] >>> Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart before >>> the horse: decide what speed limit is needed and find a way of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >no problem, just go back to cobbled streets or the modern equivalent, Our maeket place was recovered in cobblestones. Anyone in a wheelchair or having difficulty in walking can only cross with difficulty. In winter they are a death trap for pedestrians. >at a >small housing development near me there is a section of road on the way in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >that whole lengths of road could not be done in it, no doubt the cyclists >would not like it though. >>>> Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart before >>>> the horse: decide what speed limit is needed and find a way of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > or having difficulty in walking can only cross with difficulty. In > winter they are a death trap for pedestrians. So don't cobble the pedestrian crossings, that is another good inducement to keep pedestrians in an expected place rather than cross anywhere. >>>>> Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart before >>>>> the horse: decide what speed limit is needed and find a way of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >So don't cobble the pedestrian crossings, I see no pedestrian crossings in the market >that is another good inducement to >keep pedestrians in an expected place rather than cross anywhere. So you would expect someone who was crippled to travel possibly a quarter of a mile in the rain in order to use a pedestrian crossing just so some selfish c.nt in a car isn't held up for a few seconds? >>>>>> Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart >>>>>> before the horse: decide what speed limit is needed and find a [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > quarter of a mile in the rain in order to use a pedestrian crossing > just so some selfish c.nt in a car isn't held up for a few seconds? ITYWF more people are run over in the road rather than on pedestrian crossings, so I am doing the disabled a favour by making them use a crossing. Thw whole point of the exercise is to slow down people in cars, or had you forgotten? But there is no reason not have say 6 feet of road rough, 6 feet smooth etc. that way the pedestrian lemmings can cross the road almost anywhere they want. >>>>>>> Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart >>>>>>> before the horse: decide what speed limit is needed and find a [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >crossings, so I am doing the disabled a favour by making them use a >crossing. Nah. You just kill them slower >Thw whole point of the exercise is to slow down people in cars, or had you >forgotten? No but I thought you had >But there is no reason not have say 6 feet of road rough, 6 feet smooth etc. >that way the pedestrian lemmings can cross the road almost anywhere they >want. But wouldn't stop the yob in the 4x4 >>>>>>>> Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart >>>>>>>> before the horse: decide what speed limit is needed and find a [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> > But wouldn't stop the yob in the 4x4 Round here there is something that stops people speeding no matter what the vehicle, it is a 6 foot 6 width restriction, it is never negotiated at over about 5 or 10 mph, except by me in old small cars! even for me it is unnerving at over about 15 or so, the big 4x4s slow or even stop and reverse sometimes (which is a real pain), the posts are testament to how many people can't get through cleanly. But it works very effectively as a speed limiter although its actual purpose was of course to keep out lorries from a section of road and force them round another route. >> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:28:05 GMT, "Mrcheerful" <nbkm57@hotmail.co.uk> >>> But there is no reason not have say 6 feet of road rough, 6 feet >>> smooth etc. that way the pedestrian lemmings can cross the road [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >speed limiter although its actual purpose was of course to keep out lorries >from a section of road and force them round another route. Wouldn't work round here. The area has a blanket 20mph limit with speed bumps on all but the short streets. Access for delivery vans is needed for all the commercial properties in the area. They have enough problems already with commuters cars parked on both sides of every street and on corners >> Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart before the >> horse: decide what speed limit is needed and find a way of enforcing it, >> *not* the other way round! > > Suggest a practical way of enforcing a speed limit without humps. Better > minds have tried and failed. It's fine to enforce a speed limit, but speed humps enforce the *wrong* limit: the signs say 30 (or maybe 20 in rare cases) but the humps enforce a limit as low as 5 mph (depending on vehicle). If humps could only be felt by vehicles that were exceeding the signed limit and felt like a smooth piece of tarmac for vehicles that were going slower than the limit, that would be so much better. A practical way of enforcing the limit would be a non-physical one (ie not humps, chicanes, width barriers) such as a speed camera. >>> Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart before the >>> horse: decide what speed limit is needed and find a way of enforcing it, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > A practical way of enforcing the limit would be a non-physical one (ie > not humps, chicanes, width barriers) such as a speed camera. Which is what I suggested many posts ago on this subject. Bod >A practical way of enforcing the limit would be a non-physical one (ie not >humps, chicanes, width barriers) such as a speed camera. Don't be silly - a speed camera in a residential area might actually be useful plus it wouldn't raise nearly as much revenue as on a fast A or B road so theres no chance of that ever happening. If the government and its patsies in the police were serious about road safety there'd be a speed camera outside every school and other minor roads where most road accidents actually happen. B2003 >> A practical way of enforcing the limit would be a non-physical one (ie not >> humps, chicanes, width barriers) such as a speed camera. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > B2003 And how much revenue do road humps bring in? Bod >>> A practical way of enforcing the limit would be a non-physical one >>> (ie not humps, chicanes, width barriers) such as a speed camera. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Bod Quite a lot if you fit suspension units for a living. >>> A practical way of enforcing the limit would be a non-physical one (ie not >>> humps, chicanes, width barriers) such as a speed camera. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >And how much revenue do road humps bring in? None, but they're cheap and they don't require getting approval from plod and setting up a scamera partnership. B2003 >>> Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart before the >>> horse: decide what speed limit is needed and find a way of enforcing it, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >of tarmac for vehicles that were going slower than the limit, that would be >so much better. Impossible to build. My small car has to be driven at under the 20mph limit in order to get past road humps. The yobs in the 4x4 trucks just sail over them sometimes at 50 >A practical way of enforcing the limit would be a non-physical one (ie not >humps, chicanes, width barriers) such as a speed camera. I'm quite happy with speed cameras that trigger when the speed is exceeded. In an earlier contribution to this discussion, >>> Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart before >>> the horse: decide what speed limit is needed and find a way of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > limit and felt like a smooth piece of tarmac for vehicles that were > going slower than the limit, that would be so much better. The problem surely is that don't enforce a limit per se - except over the bump itself. The result is that many drivers accelerate between bumps and then brake for each bump - using much more fuel and causing much more pollution than if they could simply drive at a constant speed in a higher gear. As others have said, the speed at which you can negotiate a bump depends on the vehicle which you are driving. I mourn the demise of cars like the Austin Princess/Ambassador - whose inter-connected hydrolastic suspension meant that you could drive quite fast over bumps, and hardly notice them. SignatureCheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! > Suggest a practical way of enforcing a speed limit without humps. SPECS. Blimey, that was difficult. In an earlier contribution to this discussion, >> Saying "5 mph is right for a speed hump" is putting the cart before >> the horse: decide what speed limit is needed and find a way of >> enforcing it, *not* the other way round! > > Suggest a practical way of enforcing a speed limit without humps. > Better minds have tried and failed. How about synchronised traffic lights which allow you to drive through all of them on green provided you are doing the 'right' speed? SignatureCheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! > In an earlier contribution to this discussion, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > How about synchronised traffic lights which allow you to drive through all > of them on green provided you are doing the 'right' speed? Probably too expensive to install and without a scamera to enforce it, they would probably soon get ignored. Bod >> In an earlier contribution to this discussion, >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Bod I understand this is used abroad somewhere and is very successful, especially because if one twat triggers the lights everybody else that is effected then that shouts at him. Could be very useful on large roundabouts where the speeds are too high to let cars get on safely. > In an earlier contribution to this discussion, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > How about synchronised traffic lights which allow you to drive through all > of them on green provided you are doing the 'right' speed? The most sensible suggestion so far - nearly. They dont even need to be synchronised. They dont even need to be 'they'. One set of lights with a radar detector. Goes red if anything approaches it at greater than 20/30 mph. I believe that this arrangement works well on the continent. Low cost - but no revenue. Flop >>>>>> >>>> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >>>>>> >>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > 5 MPH sounds about right over speed humps. How many points do you have > on your license? Absolutely none. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com Whatever hits the fan will not be evenly distributed. > >>>> >>>> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, > >>>> >>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > It's no wonder people overtake (including me). Some people slow to less than 5mph, which is VERY annoying. Yeah like I do. Why should I damage my car just because there is an impatient (read: idiot) tailgater up there in my rear view mirror? >> >>>> >>>> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, >> >>>> >>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > Yeah like I do. Why should I damage my car just because there is an impatient > (read: idiot) tailgater up there in my rear view mirror? Why should I slow down just because the council put those stupid humps there? SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com The biggest difference between sex for money and sex for love is that sex for money usually costs a LOT less. > >> >>>> >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, > >> >>>> you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > there, I avoid that road completely if I can help it. I pity the people > who live in that street. So you reduce speed from 30mph to 20mph. In other words the travelling time goes up from 2 minutes to 3 minutes. I often have to queue on motorways doing 10mph, talk about delays... >> Not in Staines or Stevenage they're not. There is one road in >> Stevenage over a mile long that has speed bumps all the way along it. >> When I go there, I avoid that road completely if I can help it. I >> pity the people who live in that street. > > So you reduce speed from 30mph to 20mph. More like 15mph with the suspension on my car. It makes you wonder why there is a 30mph limit posted. You're right about the delay not being significant. >> But low limits are often ignored. > >Average speed cameras are not. Depends on the road. There's only one road I travel on remotely regularly which has those, and I always ignore them. I don't have to worry as the turning I take is half-way between the sets of cameras. >> Speed humps are ok with me as long as >> they're only used on roads leading into residential areas. > >And if you live there, your mechanics bill will be massive. Depends on the car you drive. I used to have a Citroen CX. Speed bumps? What speed bumps? :-) Mike -- http://www.corestore.org 'As I walk along these shores I am the history within' >>> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > That way, any emergency services won't have to > slow down at all. I wouldn't put it past the police to fine the ambulance driver. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com 40,000 Americans are injured by toilets each year. >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck >> it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > case > for suing the council. But there's a great variety in humps even within those limits. The older ones in my village are high but have a gradual profile, whereas the newer ones installed on another road are lower but have a brick-wall edge (well, that's what it feels like) so the wheels come off the hump onto the road with a hell of a bang. > If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck it after >only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf is happy to go over >them at more than the speed limit, but I frequently see sporty cars having to take >them at less than 5mph. The trouble with posts like these is that they always seem to forget that the speed limit is a maximum, not a minimum. If you were to drive everywhere always at the speed limit and never below, you would probably get yourself killed. This is particularly true of national speed limit country lanes, where belting along permanently at sixty is bonkers, when most of the time you can't see the road ahead for any distance or what might be on it, such as country tractors and trailers doing 15mph. > If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. Didn't Tomorrows World show a new speed bump years ago, which only "bumped" if you went over in excess of a certain speed ? Some sort of gel ? If not, why hasn't someone invented one ? > If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd > wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My > Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I > frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. Didn't Tomorrows World show a new speed bump years ago, which only "bumped" if you went over in excess of a certain speed ? Some sort of gel ? If not, why hasn't someone invented one ? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Because it would cost the LA more. > Didn't Tomorrows World show a new speed bump years ago, which only > "bumped" if you went over in excess of a certain speed ? Some sort of > gel ? > > If not, why hasn't someone invented one ? Someone did, but it had potentially fatal implications for motorcyclists. Remember that anything used has to be 'safe' for all types of vehicles. I actually question whether the small 'square' bumps (for want of a better description) are safe for motorcyclists. What would happen if one of these was hidden by snow & ice and a motorcyclists hit the ramped side of same. I reckon this could easily cause him/her to lose control of their machine. John. John Turner wrote on 10/11/2009 : > I actually question whether the small 'square' bumps (for want of a better > description) are safe for motorcyclists. What would happen if one of these > was hidden by snow & ice and a motorcyclists hit the ramped side of same. I > reckon this could easily cause him/her to lose control of their machine. On a bike you go to the left of them or to the right of them. Though not far from here there is a 'strip bump', a narrow and very fierce bump across the full width of the road, by a narrow bridge. It caught one motorcyclist out when it first appeared, took his knee off and left retarded. The strip is still there and you cannot go over it at more than 5mph. SignatureRegards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk > If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. I have 2 cars, a MGF and a BMW 316i, I drive over speed bumps with both cars extremely slowly as I need the cars to last a good long while. I do this because the speed bumps are there and need to be negotiated. I watch with amazement the amount of drivers who have no respect for their vehicle or the law as they ride over bumps which are mostly situated in a 20mph zone outside of schools at speeds in excess of the normal built up area speed limit of 30mph. Speed bumps do not work in the way intetnded as the only vehicle that seem to be restricted by them are small cars like my MGF, MX5, MR2, Z3, Z4, TVR, etc. Speed bumps do not affect other vehicles such as vans, mondeos, vectras etc i.e. vehicle with wide wheelbase which allows them to straddle the bumps with no affect on their speed. Personally I feel that speed bumps along with bus lanes actually have the opposite affect from what they are designerd to do. Bus lanes cause congestion they do not relieve it, speed bumps like wise have a very limited effect on slowing down vehicles. Obviously I could drive the 316 at speed over the bumps but don't, the MGF is driven so slowly over them I sometimes feel I am driving backwards. Nkosi On Nov 6, 8:21 pm, "Peter Hucker" <n...@spam.com> wrote: >I have 2 cars, a MGF and a BMW 316i, I drive over speed bumps with both cars extremely slowly as I need the cars to last a good long while. I do this because the speed bumps are there and need to be negotiated. I watch with amazement the amount of drivers who have no respect for their vehicle or the law as they ride over bumps which are mostly situated in a 20mph zone outside of schools at speeds in excess of the normal built up area speed limit of 30mph. === That's the problem: there's a 20 mph limit, which is a sensible one for a hundred yards or so either side of a hazard such as a school at going-home time. But the humps enforce a much lower speed limit (eg 5 mph for low-slung sports cars) while not enforcing the 20 limit for rugged vehicles such as 4x4s and vans. What sort of cars do parents often drive these days when they pick their children from school? Yes, that's right, the very vehicles which can ignore speed humps. How logical is that? > If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd > wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My > Golf is happy to go over them at more than the speed limit, but I > frequently see sporty cars having to take them at less than 5mph. all right, a non negotiable way of keeping vehicles below the speed limit: speed sensor triggered nail beds that rise when the speed limit is exceeded. >> If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd >> wreck it after only a few bumps. Could you then sue the council? My [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > speed sensor triggered nail beds that rise when the speed limit is exceeded. I've got non-pneumatic tyres on my bicycle, and you can get them for cars too. SignatureI'm no. 2623 worldwide in BOINC distributed computing. Are you contributing? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ I'm the 78th top alpha tester worldwide for protein research systems. I'm the 118th top contributor worldwide to extreme weather event research. I'm the 203rd top contributor worldwide to 2-phase fluid behavior in microgravity and microfluidics computer simulations. Of course a quad core hyperthreading i7 processor helps.... http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com The three most common expressions (or famous last words) in aviation are: "Why is it doing that?", "Where the hell are we?", and "Oh sh.t!" >If you drove a sports car over speedbumps at the speed limit, you'd wreck it after only a few bumps. One aspect that has not been discussed in this thread is the fact that speedbumps can lead to a fair bit of damage to underground utilities over time. Every vehicle that goes over a speed bump sets up a subterranean shock wave that travels for a remarkable distance, shifting and compressing the earth around underground pipes and cables until they fracture. There are regulations governing the minimum permitted distance between any speed bump and an underground pipe or cable, but that only reduces the amount of damage, it does not eliminate it. SignatureCynic |
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