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MK1 Cabrio cutting out
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andy cap - 23 Aug 2006 18:33 GMT Anyone had problems with there 1.8 Cabrio cutting out? suspect fuel problem, runs fine then for no reason cuts out- sit for a minute then re-starts. It will run for indefinate periods then the same happens again. Filter has been changed, carb stripped & serviced, could it be rust or particles from the tank. Any ideas or thoughts appreciated.
Chris Bartram - 23 Aug 2006 19:41 GMT > Anyone had problems with there 1.8 Cabrio cutting out? suspect fuel > problem, runs fine then for no reason cuts out- sit for a minute then > re-starts. It will run for indefinate periods then the same happens > again. Filter has been changed, carb stripped & serviced, could it be > rust or particles from the tank. Any ideas or thoughts appreciated. The classic Mk1/Scirocco problem is rust in the tank. What state is the filler neck in the wheelarch in?
andy cap - 23 Aug 2006 20:11 GMT > > Anyone had problems with there 1.8 Cabrio cutting out? suspect fuel > > problem, runs fine then for no reason cuts out- sit for a minute then [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The classic Mk1/Scirocco problem is rust in the tank. What state is the > filler neck in the wheelarch in? At present I'm not sure, I had the car into my local VW garage who fitted a new petrol pump, stripped & cleaned the carb, but this did not solve the problem. It was the garage that informed me it may be rust in the tank? next step, they are going to fit a new float & main jet? I'm just thinking of the £££££'s.
It may be partly my own doing? I only use the car 6 months of the year & of course with car sitting in my garage the tank sits nearly empty. 500miles in the past year so it's very little used.
I'm just hoping for a quick fix.
Thanks for your reply
Chris Bartram - 24 Aug 2006 09:30 GMT >> The classic Mk1/Scirocco problem is rust in the tank. What state is the >> filler neck in the wheelarch in? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the tank? next step, they are going to fit a new float & main jet? I'm > just thinking of the £££££'s. If it's rust in the tank, you don't need a float or jet. Thay may be blocked, but they should clear out with compressed air/carb cleaner- and they should try to clear them first. The thing to do is fit a new inline fuel filter to catch any crud before it blocks the carb again.
It's possible the fuel lines or the pick-up in the tank are blocked too- as the fuel is used, the crud blocks the holes in the pick-up, then drops clear again. This seems likely, since cleaning the carb once didn't cure it. When the car stalls, is there still fuel visible in the inline filter under the bonnet? Does it only cut out idling, or will it lose power if you're acclerating too?
> It may be partly my own doing? I only use the car 6 months of the year > & of course with car sitting in my garage the tank sits nearly empty. > 500miles in the past year so it's very little used. Running the tank low won't help, but rust in the tank seems unavoidable on Mk1/Scirocco after a certain age.
andy cap - 24 Aug 2006 19:26 GMT > >> The classic Mk1/Scirocco problem is rust in the tank. What state is the > >> filler neck in the wheelarch in? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Running the tank low won't help, but rust in the tank seems unavoidable > on Mk1/Scirocco after a certain age. andy cap - 24 Aug 2006 19:55 GMT andy cap wrote: The car will start & run fine from cold, once warm and after a few miles it will stutter & and cut out. There appears to be fuel in the filter, sit for a minute & it will start again & run for a few miles before it happens again. It did appear better a few weeks ago after changing the in-line fuel filter, but has gradually became worse, hence I put it into my VW garage. At present no resolve.
> > >> The classic Mk1/Scirocco problem is rust in the tank. What state is the > > >> filler neck in the wheelarch in? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Running the tank low won't help, but rust in the tank seems unavoidable > > on Mk1/Scirocco after a certain age. andy cap - 24 Aug 2006 19:55 GMT andy cap wrote: The car will start & run fine from cold, once warm and after a few miles it will stutter & and cut out. There appears to be fuel in the filter, sit for a minute & it will start again & run for a few miles before it happens again. It did appear better a few weeks ago after changing the in-line fuel filter, but has gradually became worse, hence I put it into my VW garage. At present no resolve.
> > >> The classic Mk1/Scirocco problem is rust in the tank. What state is the > > >> filler neck in the wheelarch in? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Running the tank low won't help, but rust in the tank seems unavoidable > > on Mk1/Scirocco after a certain age. Doki - 25 Aug 2006 15:04 GMT > andy cap wrote: The car will start & run fine from cold, once warm and > after a few miles it will stutter & and cut out. There appears to be > fuel in the filter, sit for a minute & it will start again & run for a > few miles before it happens again. It did appear better a few weeks ago > after changing the in-line fuel filter, but has gradually became worse, > hence I put it into my VW garage. At present no resolve. Perhaps it's clogging intermittently? The fuel flow causing crud to jam the filter, whereas it can flow through when the engine's stopped and the pump's not pumping? Perhaps try running it with a petrol feed directly to the carb from a petrol can?
Chris Bartram - 25 Aug 2006 18:38 GMT > Perhaps it's clogging intermittently? The fuel flow causing crud to jam the > filter, whereas it can flow through when the engine's stopped and the pump's > not pumping? Perhaps try running it with a petrol feed directly to the carb > from a petrol can? That's a good idea. The filters & tank pick up can clog intermittently, causing the symptoms described.
andy cap - 25 Aug 2006 19:09 GMT > > Perhaps it's clogging intermittently? The fuel flow causing crud to jam the > > filter, whereas it can flow through when the engine's stopped and the pump's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That's a good idea. The filters & tank pick up can clog intermittently, > causing the symptoms described. Many thanks for all your thoughts & suggestions so far, the car is still with VW & no news! I will update with the outcome as and when?
Dave Hall - 26 Aug 2006 02:01 GMT The carb has a return hose to the tank, so don't expect it to go far if you don't return to the can!
VW sent journalists out (in Polos I think, back in the mid '70s) with a gallon of petrol in a can to see how far they could get. They all started phoning in after about 5 to 10 miles as the fuel was returning to the tank! Doh!
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> > > andy cap wrote: The car will start & run fine from cold, once warm and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > not pumping? Perhaps try running it with a petrol feed directly to the carb > from a petrol can? Chris Bartram - 26 Aug 2006 11:33 GMT > The carb has a return hose to the tank, so don't expect it to go far if you > don't return to the can! > > VW sent journalists out (in Polos I think, back in the mid '70s) with a gallon > of petrol in a can to see how far they could get. They all started phoning in > after about 5 to 10 miles as the fuel was returning to the tank! Doh! Don't know about this golf, but many of them had a resevoir bolted to the cam cover- the fuel feed and return pipes went there, and the carb picked up from it. If you took the pipe to the carb there, you'd be OK.
Dave Hall - 26 Aug 2006 14:07 GMT If you gravity fed it, the excess would still return to the tank. If you connected it before the pump, it might feed both ways!
Talking about the reservoir, if it has one, that can be a source of problems, I've heard.
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> > The carb has a return hose to the tank, so don't expect it to go far if you > > don't return to the can! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the cam cover- the fuel feed and return pipes went there, and the carb > picked up from it. If you took the pipe to the carb there, you'd be OK. Chris Bartram - 26 Aug 2006 23:07 GMT > If you gravity fed it, the excess would still return to the tank. If you > connected it before the pump, it might feed both ways! > > Talking about the reservoir, if it has one, that can be a source of problems, > I've heard. I wondered if you could take the pipe off between the resevoir & carb, and feed into the carb that way. To be honest, I can't remember 100% how the pipes run.
Dave Hall - 27 Aug 2006 01:16 GMT Yes, that should work - sorry - not thinking clearly enough! You'd need to stop the reservoir outlet or it would gush nicely into the engine area!
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> > If you gravity fed it, the excess would still return to the tank. If you > > connected it before the pump, it might feed both ways! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and feed into the carb that way. To be honest, I can't remember 100% how > the pipes run.
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