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Car Forum / Volkswagen / Water Cooled Volkswagen Cars / January 2007Which is the best shocks
Hi I know a thread like this must be started every couple of weeks or so but I've only just started reading the group again so here goes: I have a 1999 golf mark 4 GTI 20V turbo about to reach 70k and the suspension although good is starting to feel a little tired. Also I purchased it about 9 months ago and although it rides a lot better than my old mark 3 CL, my mark 3 had Bilstein gas shock. So the question is what combination of shocks and spring to upgrade to? First off I'm not bothered about lowering the car. As it is the car scraps on the exit of my car park when I have a passenger. I'm not sure how much my car has dropped over the years? Could some one tell me the original ground clearance of the GTI? I'm thinking of fitting the Koni sports kit, but an interested in Spax as they are full adjustable on the car. How much I will bother adjusting them I don't know. I'm also tempted on a set of bilstein B10 which do not lower the car at all. Also I know Bilstein shock at top quality as this is about what I ran on my old car. Also are there any advantages to Eibach springs? Will they last longer? Any comment/help welcome Thanks Sam > I have a 1999 golf mark 4 GTI 20V turbo about to reach 70k and the > suspension although good is starting to feel a little tired. Also I > purchased it about 9 months ago and although it rides a lot better than my > old mark 3 CL, my mark 3 had Bilstein gas shock. So the question is what > combination of shocks and spring to upgrade to? 7yrs old, try replacing the bushes to increase ground clearance. Ground clearance has always been an issue with MK IV's, especially the PD and V6 models. My Bora's PD150 clearance to the virtually useless plastic sump guard is around 3-4 inches! and the thin alloy sump is only 1" above the guard, I'm always having to slowly negotiate speed 'pillows' at odd angles to stop the car grounding, I've already had to replace the guard and 1 side panel due to this problem and at £160 I dont intend on doing it often! But it's cheaper than replacing a holed sump and/or ruined engine. Tired dampers wouldn't reduce ground clearance whereas tired/broken springs or rubber top mounts would. If your not interested in lowering then why not OEM dampers? or if you want an upgrade, any of the 'good' makers would be an improvement. i.e. Bilstein, Koni, Spax have come a long way now according to VW Driver magazine. Eibach springs have always been looked on favourably but I don't know if they'd 'last longer' than anything else. Try asking the same question, or do a search on the MK IV net forum..... http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/16/ShowForum.aspx You'd get many replies from people who have done suspension swap's. AndyR Ex VR6 now Bora PD150 > Ground clearance has always been an issue with MK IV's, especially the PD > and V6 models. My Bora's PD150 clearance to the virtually useless plastic [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Tired dampers wouldn't reduce ground clearance whereas tired/broken > springs or rubber top mounts would. When I had my tired and one broken bush at the rear replaced my car went up about an inch at the back. That was at 8-9yrs old. > Hi > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Also are there any advantages to Eibach springs? Will they last longer? Springs are springs are springs. It's the rate and whether they're progessive or not that matters. Gaz shocks look very good and are cheaper than most of their rivals... > Hi > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Also are there any advantages to Eibach springs? Will they last longer? <looks at headers> <looks at standard of English in the posting> <makes a note to never go near Newcastle University> <googles email address> <falls off chair after realising that you're a postgrad...> >> Hi >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > <falls off chair after realising that you're a postgrad...> Who said a University was any longer a seat of education? ;-) They mostly appear to be commercial organisations that will accept as many people as they can for the fees. On 23-Jan-07 10:37:38, Doki said >> Hi ><looks at headers> ><looks at standard of English in the posting> ><makes a note to never go near Newcastle University> ><googles email address> ><falls off chair after realising that you're a postgrad...> It must have been a shock. All the best, Angus Manwaring. (for e-mail remove ANTISPEM) I need your memories for the Amiga Games Database: A collection of Amiga Game reviews by Amiga players http://www.angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/AGDB.html In news:45b5e570$0$32013$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk, Doki <mrdoki@gmail.com> wittered on forthwith; >> Hi >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > <falls off chair after realising that you're a postgrad...> Scary isn't it? I initially skipped this thread due to the standard of English in the subject line alone, but as I'm semi-considering upgrading the shocks on my Mk2 GTi I thought I'd risk reading it anyway. Two or three readings later I think I understand what the OP was trying to say. 'They' say that being able to communicate using language is what separates us from the animals, as the English language falls into disuse more and more each year I can see that 'they' could well be correct.  SignaturePete M - Using the Scouse Side of the Force - Golf GTi, Mercedes 190E Auto OMF#9 Ok, I admit it, I like Renault 5s. > In news:45b5e570$0$32013$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk, > Doki <mrdoki@gmail.com> wittered on forthwith; <snip gibberish> >> <looks at headers> >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Mk2 GTi I thought I'd risk reading it anyway. Two or three readings later > I think I understand what the OP was trying to say. I demand dibs on that car when you've done with it. Gaz often go cheap on fleabay brand spanking. > 'They' say that being able to communicate using language is what separates > us from the animals, as the English language falls into disuse more and > more each year I can see that 'they' could well be correct. People aren't forced to learn it. Most of the time they don't need to be proficient in English to do a job well, or their managers don't recognise that their staff need to be. And you don't need it to pass exams either. > > Hi > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > <falls off chair after realising that you're a postgrad...> Ok Doki, why would you expect a maths and statistics graduate in the Cosmology and Quantum Gravity Department at Newcastle University to be bothered about the finer points of English SPG in a posting to a car newsgroup? If you value correct English so highly, why did you respond with five separate comments with not a single full sentence among them? The post seemed clear enough to me. I just regret I don't have the knowledge to answer it, but I'm pleased to see others have offered some on-topic opinions. SignatureDave. UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/ ------ >> > Hi >> > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > about the > finer points of English SPG in a posting to a car newsgroup? Because it's a basic skill that you should have by the time you get out of school, let alone by the time you're a post grad student - you'll notice that I didn't rip the piss out of him in my first reply because I assumed the OP was any old Gary meddling with his Golf. It's not even as if it's more difficult to write correct English once you've learned how, and you save time by not having to explain what you're trying to say repeatedly. I know people with English as a second language who could write a hell of a lot better than that. > If you value > correct English so highly, why did you respond with five separate comments > with > not a single full sentence among them? Because whilst it's not gramattically correct English, it's a fairly common writing style used on Usenet > The post seemed clear enough to me. I just regret I don't have the > knowledge to > answer it, but I'm pleased to see others have offered some on-topic > opinions. It was readable, but it wasn't as easy to read as something that's been properly written. And FWIW, I offered my opinions on what shocks are decent, and whether Eibach springs are worth the cash. |
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