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Car Forum / Volvo Cars / December 2007Question about '97 850 AWD
Hi, Considering buying a '97 850 wagon, stick shift, AWD, 146,000 Km (87,600 miles). AWD is not on my wish list, but stick shift is. This car is in top condition (one owner). Should I be concerned about the AWD? It isn't Haldex. Grateful for any comments. Andy I. > Considering buying a '97 850 wagon, stick shift, AWD, 146,000 Km (87,600 > miles). > AWD is not on my wish list, but stick shift is. This car is in top > condition (one owner). > Should I be concerned about the AWD? It isn't Haldex. The pre Haldex system was a viscous drive like Subaru has been using for decades. It is a very reliable system. The '95 through '97 850 are very reliable used cars. If the original owner took good care of it, it is a great find.  SignatureCheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA, USA Owned '67,'68,'71,'74,'79,'81,'87,'93,'95 & '01 Volvos. The '67,'74,'79,'87,'95 and '01 through European Delivery. http://rhodyman.net/homevo.html Those 850's were prone to failing rear main oil seals. Ask me how I know.. Thanks Mr. V. That's *not* encouraging! .......... but I appreciate the warning. Andy I. : Those 850's were prone to failing rear main oil seals. : : Ask me how I know.. > Thanks Mr. V. > That's *not* encouraging! .......... but I appreciate the warning. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >: >: Ask me how I know.. I've had an '96 850, and a '99 S70 - neither of which was AWD, but they have the same engine as the '97 850. The rear seal never failed on me. AC SignatureEmail: echo 36434455860060025978157675027927670979097959886449930P | dc Thanks Aawara. That's reassuring. Andy I. : In <Kwwbj.4834$vd4.1379@pd7urf1no>, : > : > "Mr. V" <allagoshang@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3e9b9024-87a9-4b88-a817-c7740cc80d20@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com... : >: Those 850's were prone to failing rear main oil seals. : >: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : : AC > I've had an '96 850, and a '99 S70 - neither of which was AWD, but > they have the same engine as the '97 850. The rear seal never > failed on me. My '95 850 had a rear seal leak that was fixed under warranty early on and at 140,000 miles has never leaked again. It was problem at the factory. SignatureCheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA, USA Owned '67,'68,'71,'74,'79,'81,'87,'93,'95 & '01 Volvos. The '67,'74,'79,'87,'95 and '01 through European Delivery. http://rhodyman.net/homevo.html Thanks Steve for adding that. More encouragement! Andy I. : My '95 850 had a rear seal leak that was fixed under warranty early on : and at 140,000 miles has never leaked again. It was problem at the : factory. Thanks Steve. That's encouraging. Andy I. : > Considering buying a '97 850 wagon, stick shift, AWD, 146,000 Km (87,600 : > miles). [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] : The '95 through '97 850 are very reliable used cars. If the original : owner took good care of it, it is a great find. > Considering buying a '97 850 wagon, stick shift, AWD, 146,000 Km (87,600 > miles). > AWD is not on my wish list, but stick shift is. This car is in top > condition (one owner). Will the owner be giving you maintenance records? A timing-belt change is due sometime around 70,000 miles. On my non-AWD 850, I seem to remember getting the transmission flushed around then also. AC SignatureEmail: echo 36434455860060025978157675027927670979097959886449930P | dc Thanks for your continued interest Aawara. I'll certainly look into the timing belt change. On my '93 245 Classic wagon a sticker was applied under the hood to record the change. It had the B230F engine which is a non-interference type........... always a relief to know! Andy I. : > Considering buying a '97 850 wagon, stick shift, AWD, 146,000 Km (87,600 : > miles). [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] : : AC > Will the owner be giving you maintenance records? A timing-belt change > is due sometime around 70,000 miles. The owners manuals and maintenence schedules are on line at: The on-line maintenance schedule is at: http://new.volvocars.com/ownersdocs/1995/1995_maintenance/1995_800_mainte nance.html '93 850 change timing belt every 50,000 miles '94-'97 850 change timing belt every 70,000 miles The on-line manuals are at: http://www.volvocars.us/tools/OwnersInfo/ The 1995 850 on-line manual is at: http://new.volvocars.com/ownersdocs/1995/1995_850/95850_1.html SignatureCheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA, USA Owned '67,'68,'71,'74,'79,'81,'87,'93,'95 & '01 Volvos. The '67,'74,'79,'87,'95 and '01 through European Delivery. http://rhodyman.net/homevo.html Thanks Steve for that very useful info. I shall certainly look into that. You've all been very helpful. Andy I. : > Will the owner be giving you maintenance records? A timing-belt change : > is due sometime around 70,000 miles. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] : : http://new.volvocars.com/ownersdocs/1995/1995_850/95850_1.html > Thanks Steve for that very useful info. I shall certainly look into that. > You've all been very helpful. Just one last thought from me - the 850 AC evaporator is a known trouble spot. I didn't have to replace mine, but I know of others who have. Make sure there are no evaporator problems in the 850 you're purchasing. AC SignatureEmail: echo 36434455860060025978157675027927670979097959886449930P | dc Thanks Aawara. That's good to know. Well.......... not *good* but useful. I'll make sure I find out. Andy I. : Just one last thought from me - the 850 AC evaporator is a known : trouble spot. I didn't have to replace mine, but I know of others who [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : : AC On Dec 22, 12:00 pm, "Andy" <brackenb...@shaw.-deletethisbit-ca> wrote: > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Grateful for any comments. > Andy I. Should be a reliable car. But unless you really need AWD why pay extra for it and suffer reduced gas milage. Good point, "Roadie", but we were looking for a stick-shift wagon about this vintage ('97) to replace our much lamented '93 240 Classic wagon. Manual transmission wagons are hard to find here. All '97 AWD wagons were built with stick-shift. (None with Auto Tran.) We found two decent wagons with stick-shift, both AWD...... Don't know what happened to the non-AWD stick-shift wagons! Anyway the one we're considering is one-owner and in excellent condition. We're not racking up the miles as we used to do, so I don't think the reduced fuel consumption will be a problem. Thanks for your interest. Andy I. . On Dec 22, 12:00 pm, "Andy" <brackenb...@shaw.-deletethisbit-ca> wrote: > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Grateful for any comments. > Andy I. Should be a reliable car. But unless you really need AWD why pay extra for it and suffer reduced gas milage. > Good point, "Roadie", but we were looking for a stick-shift wagon about this > vintage ('97) to replace our much lamented '93 240 Classic wagon. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Should be a reliable car. But unless you really need AWD why pay > extra for it and suffer reduced gas milage. Then go for it and enjoy a fine car. My undersanding is that the AWD used in those cars is a very reliable mechanism. If the car has had all scheduled maintenance performed I suspect that you will get a lot mre miles from it. I sent one daughter off to school with a Volvo and never regretted it. Thanks for the encouraging comments"Roadie". I'm sure sending your daughter off with a Volvo was a wise move. Our two daughters got Volvos, and our two sons. One of each has stuck with the marque. We ourselves have had nothing but, since '58! Andy I. . On Dec 24, 9:17 pm, "Andy" <brackenb...@shaw.-deletethisbit-ca> wrote: > Good point, "Roadie", but we were looking for a stick-shift wagon about > this [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > "Roadie" <hjs...@cs.com> wrote in message . Then go for it and enjoy a fine car. My undersanding is that the AWD used in those cars is a very reliable mechanism. If the car has had all scheduled maintenance performed I suspect that you will get a lot mre miles from it. I sent one daughter off to school with a Volvo and never regretted it. You have me beat by a long ways...1958!! Wow!! My earliest Volvo was a 240 Diesel. Although the swedish manager of a store I worked at long long ago owned a PV544 that I got to drive a few times. > On Dec 25, 4:31 pm, "Andy" <brackenb...@shaw.-deletethisbit-ca> wrote: > Thanks for the encouraging comments"Roadie". [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - gee, i guess i'm a newbie. i only bought a volvo 122 in november 64 [but my brother had a 544 and then an 1800] 122, 145, 245, 745, v70xc (98) and still going but only 107k miles (us miles) did you not think others have miles, eg, swedish miles? yes there are miles in sweden; from stockholm to gothenberg is about 50 swedish miles klh in VA >You have me beat by a long ways...1958!! Wow!! My earliest Volvo was >a 240 Diesel. Although the swedish manager of a store I worked at [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Hi "klh", You may think of yourself as a "newbie", but you've sure sampled quite a range of Volvos! Andy I. : gee, i guess i'm a newbie. : i only bought a volvo 122 in november 64 [but my brother had a 544 and [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] : >> : >>- Show quoted text - > gee, i guess i'm a newbie. > i only bought a volvo 122 in november 64 [but my brother had a 544 and > then an 1800] > 122, 145, 245, 745, v70xc (98) and still going but only 107k miles (us > miles) My 240 diesel made it past 200,000 US miles, but the motor was quite used by then. > did you not think others have miles, eg, swedish miles? I do not understand your question. > yes there are miles in sweden; from stockholm to gothenberg is about 50 > swedish miles Yes there are several ways of measuring distance. > klh in VA > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Then klh in VA wrote: > did you not think others have miles, eg, swedish miles? Unfortunately the term mile is ambiguous. Today the US mile is the International or Statute Mile (1.609344 kilometers). Then there is the Norwegian and Swedish modern mil which is 10 kilometers. So sometimes a mile is not a mile, but kilometer is always a kilometer. > yes there are miles in sweden; from stockholm to gothenberg is about 50 > swedish miles That is a perfect example of when a mile is not a mile. The distance from Stockholm to Goteborg is 468 kilometers, 46.8 Swedish Miles or 291 International or statute miles. SignatureCheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA, USA Owned '67,'68,'71,'74,'79,'81,'87,'93,'95 & '01 Volvos. The '67,'74,'79,'87,'95 and '01 through European Delivery. http://rhodyman.net/homevo.html >Then klh in VA wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >International or statute miles. > my swedish wife says 50 miles [rounding, before the latest highways, etc???] google offers the following tidbits. > Gothenburg, Sweden - Stockholm, Sweden - Comparison and Distance between > Distance: 398 km > Gothenburg : Planning a Trip | Frommers.com > <http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frommers.com%2Fd estinations%2Fgothenburg%2F0109010002.html&ei=z4l1R5-BBpzSeamKmFg&usg=AFQjCNHnw8 FvnP5KgGFMFS5x_HjVvHTKBQ&sig2=ppfwDWfkcHtA6QZg2LWSoQ> > From Stockholm, take E4 west to Jönköping and continue west the rest > of the way through Borås to Gothenburg, a distance of 470km (292 > miles). ... > Stockholm-Gothenburg, 600 km i guess when the question there is, how far, generality is close enogh. we don't say from stockholm to mora is 36.2 [or what ever my odometer says] we just round about and say 35 miles and to älvdalen is 40 miles shall we move over to easy ways to translate liters per 100km to mpg? So you've driven the old "Humpback"...........but ours was not the PV544. It was a PV445. (Volvo didn't believe in wasting digits....) Also known as the "Duett". It was, I like to think, the world's first minivan. It had the same "unburstable" B16B engine, and a 3-speed gearbox with no synchromesh on 3rd. I eventually switched that to the 4-speed. Andy I. You have me beat by a long ways...1958!! Wow!! My earliest Volvo was a 240 Diesel. Although the swedish manager of a store I worked at long long ago owned a PV544 that I got to drive a few times. > Thanks for the encouraging comments"Roadie". > I'm sure sending your daughter off with a Volvo was a wise move. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Wow! Has this thread ever grown! I can now state that I "went for it" and have now acquired a '97 850 AWD wagon. It's fully up to my expectations, but I still feel regret at abandoning the ranks of the true "bricks", especially my immaculate '93 240 Classic wagon. It was written off in a crash with an idiot driver making a left turn across the bows of the Volvo. (We drive on the right in Canada.) Thanks for all the helpful advice, people. Andy I.
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