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Car Forum / Volvo Cars / May 2004MAY 19 ..... FED UP WITH THE HIGH GAS PRICES
I don't usually pass these things around but I believe it would help if we all got involved on this one. THIS IS BECOMING A REAL HARDSHIP ON EVERYONE AND FOR "NO" REASON. THEY DON'T "HAVE" TO RAISE THE GAS PRICES LIKE THEY HAVE BUT THEY ARE "WHY" BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING RICH. MOST OF YOU THAT ARE WORKING HAVE A PERSONAL DAY YOU CAN USE ON THE 19TH TO HELP GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS THAT "WE THE PEOPLE" ARE FED UP WITH THE HIGH GAS PRICES. IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE OIL COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES. AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF OVER 4.6 BILLION DOLLARS, WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE OIL COMPANIES. THEREFORE MAY 19TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT UP THEIR behind" DAY AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION SHOULD NOT BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE THAT DAY. THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN BE DONE IS IF YOU FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN, AND AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN-GET THE WORD OUT! WAITING ON THIS ADMINISTRATION TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REDUCTION AND CONTROL IN PRICES THAT THE ARAB NATIONS PROMISED TWO WEEKS AGO? REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT AT THE SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES, TRUCKING COMPANIES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING THAT IS SHIPPED, THINGS LIKE FOOD, CLOTHING, BUILDING MATERIALS, MEDICAL SUPPLIES ETC. WHO PAYS IN THE END? WE DO! WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY, WE WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN. SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD. FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. MARK YOUR CALENDARS AND MAKE MAY 19TH A DAY THAT THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES SAY "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH You can't be fed up you still vote republican,you still think the junkie in office was elected and you do not even know that 83.5 percent % of USA crude oil comes from Mexico,Canada,and USA, what the Wogs do or don't do is irrelevant ,its all smoke and mirrors so the already rich republicans can get richer,just like in'71 and '73,all you stupid greedy republicans did it to yourselves again!!!!! > I don't usually pass these things around but I believe it would help if we > all got involved on this one. [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > STATES SAY "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH | You can't be fed up you still vote republican,you still think the junkie in | office was elected and you do not even know that 83.5 percent % of USA crude oil | comes from Mexico,Canada,and USA, what the Wogs do or don't do is irrelevant | ,its all smoke and mirrors so the already rich republicans can get richer,just | like in'71 and '73,all you stupid greedy republicans did it to yourselves | again!!!!! Can you provide any facts to substantiate this rather silly partisan diatribe? Somehow, I don't think you can.....! For openers, your percentages are way off.....we get more than 60% of our oil these days from countries other than those you mentioned. The original thought behind doing this was to burn up somebody else's natural resources rather than our own. Like many other "politically correct" notions, it sounds good but doesn't work in practice. Personally, I think we should tell the Arabs to drink the oil and refuse to buy any from them and refuse to trade with any country that does. We should deal ONLY with countries that play fair and with an even-handed approach to market economics. It's time the Arabs learned that they need us more than we need them.... PC | > I don't usually pass these things around but I believe it would help if we | > all got involved on this one. [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] | > | > STATES SAY "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH > Personally, I think we should tell the Arabs to drink the oil and refuse to > buy any from them and refuse to trade with any country that does. We should > deal ONLY with countries that play fair and with an even-handed approach to > market economics. It's time the Arabs learned that they need us more than we > need them.... Obviously you do not understand anything about the dynamics between Washington D.C and Riyadh. Your leaders would be in welfare if it wasn't the money flowing from Saudi Arabia. And what's with this: Arabs need you more than you need them. Please let me laugh. What's the nation that consumes most of the global resources, including oil? You go figure that out all by yourself...  SignatureKytis "Is?n t?rkein teht?v? on kasvattaa tytt?rens? niin ettei h?n huoli paskaa j?tk?? miehekseen" J.Sarasvuo Don't be silly - The Saudis get virtually ALL their money from selling oil to the US and the rest of the world. They "give" nothing to anyone except themselves and terrorists.... But then, what's the point of trying to reason with a closed mind? When yours is opened up, try again...... PC | > Personally, I think we should tell the Arabs to drink the oil and refuse to | > buy any from them and refuse to trade with any country that does. We should [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] | me laugh. What's the nation that consumes most of the global resources, | including oil? You go figure that out all by yourself... > > > Personally, I think we should tell the Arabs to drink the oil and refuse to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > me laugh. What's the nation that consumes most of the global resources, > including oil? You go figure that out all by yourself... An important factor in the rising prices that is overlooked is the big increase in gas consumption in China. With the chinese getting wealthy they now prefer to take the car than the bicycle.. SignatureRL > IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID > > NOT PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, It's not often I have the pleasure of saying this but... QUIT WHINING! :) When your petrol price is anything vaguely on the same planet as what it costs most of the rest of the world then I'll listen. Highest UK price is presently something like $8.80 per imperial gallon. Locally it's about $6.70. Remind me again how much yours is?... :) David. >> IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Remind me again how much yours is?... the price of your fuel has nothing to do with reality, your fuel costs so much so your government can fund it's socialist policies, you may or may not think that's a good policy, but that's irrelevant. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Because of the current email spam attacks my email account is not included, reply via the newsgroups or ask for a valid email address. | >> IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID | >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] | so much so your government can fund it's socialist policies, you may | or may not think that's a good policy, but that's irrelevant. Trying to "reason" with socialists or those who live under socialism and have turned their brains off is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It frustrates you and pisses off the pig....:) PC > Trying to "reason" with socialists or those who live under socialism and > have turned their brains off is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It > frustrates you and pisses off the pig....:) Geez, what gives with you guys? Who said anything about me being a socialist or supporting socialist ideals? It matters not which of the political parties are in power in the UK, 80% is fuel tax period. Our income tax is lower but that's another issue. Just quit whining. David. >> Trying to "reason" with socialists or those who live under socialism and >> have turned their brains off is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Just quit whining. no, you quit whining about YOUR high fuel prices, YOUR prices are high because of political choices. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Because of the current email spam attacks my email account is not included, reply via the newsgroups or ask for a valid email address. > no, you quit whining about YOUR high fuel prices, YOUR prices are high > because of political choices. Umm, I'm not whining about my high fuel prices, I just drew a comparison - I didn't start this mate! As for political choices, it would be refreshing if for once, some Americans would quit trying to reduce *every* single usenet discussion to something to do with politics. Have a nice day! David. | > Trying to "reason" with socialists or those who live under socialism and | > have turned their brains off is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | | Just quit whining. Following the thread, "we" aren't the ones who are whining.....:) Read the above again...."those who live under socialism and have turned their brains off"......that was the operative phrase. What strikes me as odd is that so many Brits proclaim that they aren't socialists and aren't supporters of Labor, but the socialist ideas prevail and Labor gets re-elected. Hmmmmmmmmm....... PC > Read the above again...."those who live under socialism and have turned > their brains off"......that was the operative phrase. What strikes me as odd > is that so many Brits proclaim that they aren't socialists and aren't > supporters of Labor, but the socialist ideas prevail and Labor gets > re-elected. Hmmmmmmmmm....... That's down to the non proportional voting system. Just to be clear, at the last general election, more than 50% of the population DID NOT vote for Labour. Labour won. Therefore the claim that so many Brits are not Labour supports would be true. Anyway, this is a Volvo forum. :) David. > the price of your fuel has nothing to do with reality, your fuel costs > so much so your government can fund it's socialist policies, you may > or may not think that's a good policy, but that's irrelevant. Wasn't my point, I just said QUIT WHINING, come back when it's anywhere near as expensive as mine! David. | > the price of your fuel has nothing to do with reality, your fuel costs | > so much so your government can fund it's socialist policies, you may | > or may not think that's a good policy, but that's irrelevant. | | Wasn't my point, I just said QUIT WHINING, come back when it's anywhere | near as expensive as mine! Your prices are YOUR problem - do something about it! For openers, I suggest you coax Lady Thatcher out of retirement and put her back in office along with a Conservative majority..... Our prices are OUR problem and some of us are putting forward ways and means to bring them down.....primarily we have to dismantle OPEC and let the free market rule once again....! PC >Our prices are OUR problem and some of us are putting forward ways and means >to bring them down.....primarily we have to dismantle OPEC and let the free >market rule once again....! OPEC does not control pricing, the market does, opec does control output for a good part of the world's supply and their decisions can affect prices but they do not control prices --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Because of the current email spam attacks my email account is not included, reply via the newsgroups or ask for a valid email address. | >Our prices are OUR problem and some of us are putting forward ways and means | >to bring them down.....primarily we have to dismantle OPEC and let the free | >market rule once again....! | OPEC does not control pricing, the market does, opec does control | output for a good part of the world's supply and their decisions can | affect prices but they do not control prices OPEC controls production which DIRECTLY influences, i.e., "controls" prices. IF OPEC produces more oil, making it more available, prices go down. IF OPEC produces less oil, making it less available, prices go up. Therefore, OPEC is controlling prices by controlling output - you have chosen to try to avoid that fact by stating a distinction without a difference. We need to dismantle OPEC, along with any other group of producers who decide that they can/should/will keep prices high by controlling production..... PC >OPEC controls production which DIRECTLY influences, i.e., "controls" prices. >IF OPEC produces more oil, making it more available, prices go down. IF OPEC >produces less oil, making it less available, prices go up. Therefore, OPEC >is controlling prices by controlling output - you have chosen to try to >avoid that fact by stating a distinction without a difference. opec produces about half the world's oil, if the other half want to produce more, they have in the past and can in the future dictate where prices are going >We need to dismantle OPEC, along with any other group of producers who >decide that they can/should/will keep prices high by controlling >production..... hah, it's called free enterprise --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Because of the current email spam attacks my email account is not included, reply via the newsgroups or ask for a valid email address. | >OPEC controls production which DIRECTLY influences, i.e., "controls" prices. | >IF OPEC produces more oil, making it more available, prices go down. IF OPEC [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | produce more, they have in the past and can in the future dictate | where prices are going The "other half" is quite happy to go along with OPEC - it's the concept that has to be dealt with..... | >We need to dismantle OPEC, along with any other group of producers who | >decide that they can/should/will keep prices high by controlling | >production..... | hah, it's called free enterprise It's the exact opposite of free enterprise - it's "cornering" a product so that you can dictate prices.....a free market operates on supply and demand. When you control one or the other, or both, the market is no longer free..... PC > Our prices are OUR problem and some of us are putting forward ways and means > to bring them down.....primarily we have to dismantle OPEC and let the free > market rule once again....! Well if you want to take this to a different plane, your prices are the rest of the world's problem because whereas the most of the rest of the developed world agreed that burning fossil fuels and adding to polution was a bad thing and addressed this to a point by discouraging vehicular use (debateable!), the US decides to carry on in a single minded "f.ck you" attitude and decides not to sign the Kyoto agreement. Is it sustainable that 2% of the worlds population creates 14% of the polution? Is it surprising that the attitudes towards the US are not necessarily in total alignment? Why is it that the US believes that it is "always right" Why is there any surprise in the US (because there seems to be) when the word "hate" is used against the US with whatever actions are a result? Please note, the word US is used in the general collective and not intended to suggest that every individual thinks the same nor does the above necessarily represent my opinion or feelings. :) David. > I don't usually pass these things around but I believe it would help if we > all got involved on this one. > > THIS IS BECOMING A REAL HARDSHIP ON EVERYONE AND FOR "NO" REASON. > > THEY DON'T "HAVE" TO RAISE THE GAS PRICES LIKE THEY HAVE BUT THEY ARE ... and the useless rambling goes on... Do you honestly have any idea how much YOU yanks would have to pay for your gasoline, if YOU imported it in real, global market price. Shame on you! This is exactly what happens, when you start unjustified wars and stick your nose in other people's business. I sincerely hope that you will start to see gas prices close to USD 6.00 per gallon. Then YOU know how much WE have to pay for our gas. Keep on voting that idiot Bush for another term, and this BS will just go on and on. Washington D.C. is so corrupted and blind with Saudi Arabia, that there's no easy way out of this mess. Blame your bloody government! SignatureKytis "Is?n t?rkein teht?v? on kasvattaa tytt?rens? niin ettei h?n huoli paskaa j?tk?? miehekseen" J.Sarasvuo How come you pay so much for your gas when your country owns one of the most productive sources of oil in the world over there in the North Sea? Gee - maybe you don't have all the answers.....:) PC | > I don't usually pass these things around but I believe it would help if we | > all got involved on this one. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] | Arabia, that there's no easy way out of this mess. Blame your bloody | government! > How come you pay so much for your gas when your country owns one of the most > productive sources of oil in the world over there in the North Sea? Gee - > maybe you don't have all the answers.....:) Because successive governments have decided by empirical evidence that we (the populus) are prepared to pay for fuel which includes 80% tax to why not tax it that much. Having said that, the fuel blockades of a couple of years ago made for interesting following. Nearly brought the country to a complete standstill. I look forward to them again, one of my cars runs on LPG. :) David. | > How come you pay so much for your gas when your country owns one of the most | > productive sources of oil in the world over there in the North Sea? Gee - [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | interesting following. Nearly brought the country to a complete | standstill. Think about it - especially if you're happy with being taxed at that rate..... Take back your country - as we here in America need to take ours back..... PC >I don't usually pass these things around but I believe it would help if we >all got involved on this one. you shouldn't have posted this crap either, not buying gas for one day is a meaningless gesture, you and everyone else will be buying the same amount of gas, either a day earlier or later, proving nothing --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Because of the current email spam attacks my email account is not included, reply via the newsgroups or ask for a valid email address. > >I don't usually pass these things around but I believe it would help if we > >all got involved on this one. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Because of the current email spam attacks my email account is not included, > reply via the newsgroups or ask for a valid email address. Right. If you really want to get their attention, don't buy anything from a gas station that you can get anywhere else. (i.e. only buy fuel.) No chips, no soft drinks, no engine oil, no windshield washer fluid, no chicken nuggets, no donuts, no beer... etc. etc. SignatureMike F. Thornhill (near Toronto), Ont. NOTE: new address!! Replace tt with t (twice!) and remove parentheses to email me directly. (But I check the newsgroup more often than this email address.) | >I don't usually pass these things around but I believe it would help if we | >all got involved on this one. | > | you shouldn't have posted this crap either, not buying gas for one day | is a meaningless gesture, you and everyone else will be buying the | same amount of gas, either a day earlier or later, proving nothing Dead bang right.....! PC |
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