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What's my car worth?
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PButler111 - 26 Jun 2004 18:58 GMT I've just bought a "new" 240 wagon (via eBay) and my brother-in-law, who lives in mid-Michigan (I'm in the Chicago area) wants to buy my old car. I don't want to give it away, but I want to be fair on the price, or even slightly unfair to me. I've checked Kelley, so I know what they think. But I want to run it by you folks and get your opinions.
The car is a 1989 250 wagon. It has the usual power locks, steering, etc., but not power windows or mirrors. The seats are vinyl (or whatever they are when they're not cloth or leather) and in fairly good shape, though with some splits in the well-worn driver's seat; no damage to the dashboard. The Volvo stereo/cassette's been replaced with a really nfity stereo/CD player, though the brand escapes me at the moment. (I think it's nifty because you just press a little button and take off the front of it, which has its own little case so you can pop it in the glove box while you're away from the car and it looks like there's no stereo in the car to steal.) There are 138,000 miles on the car. The body is in good, though not perfect shape. There's no rust anywhere (I wash it like a demon all year long), but there's some damage in the area of the right front parking light. I was backed into a parking space, in a lot, and someone in the row in front of me obviously backed out and into that part of my car and, naturally, took off without leaving a note. It did bend the metal, though didn't break the paint, and the parking light cover is cracked. I didn't get it fixed because it's not immediately noticable and didn't really seem worth bothering with. Still, the damage is there. Beyond that, though, there are a couple small dings, a little wear -- nothing you wouldn't expect in the body of a 15 year old car. Overall in good shape. The car's been really well maintained by a mechanic who specializes in these cars. Just this year I've (voluntarily -- not forced by lack of performance) replaced a tie rod, and put four new tires on the car. At the same time, the mechanics checked the whole car for leaks, tightened a couple of things that needed tightening, and steam cleaned the engine.
Anything I'm forgetting?
So -- given all that -- what do you think is a fair price for this car?
Thanks very much,
Patricia
Bev A. Kupf - 26 Jun 2004 20:43 GMT > Anything I'm forgetting? > > So -- given all that -- what do you think is a fair price for this car? I don't know - but Hubbard Woods Motors in Winnetka gives very good appraisals for $40. They're on Green Bay Road right next to the Hubbard Woods Metra stop.
If you go there, ask for Tad -- he might even do it for free for a first time customer.
 Signature Bev A. Kupf "The lyfe so short, the craft so long to lerne" -- Chaucer
PButler111 - 26 Jun 2004 21:43 GMT >Subject: Re: What's my car worth? >From: "Bev A. Kupf" bevakupf@myhome.net [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >If you go there, ask for Tad -- he might even do it for free for a first time >customer. I was asking for the opinions of Volvo drivers here, based on their experiences. If you didn't want to give an opinion, you could have just skipped it. I wasn't asking because I was trying to cheap out of having an appraisal done.
Bev A. Kupf - 26 Jun 2004 21:43 GMT > I was asking for the opinions of Volvo drivers here, based on their > experiences. If you didn't want to give an opinion, you could have just > skipped it. I wasn't asking because I was trying to cheap out of having an > appraisal done. Umm ... I was giving you my opinion as a Volvo driver. Apparently you're a little too touchy to understand that.
 Signature Bev A. Kupf "The lyfe so short, the craft so long to lerne" -- Chaucer
PButler111 - 26 Jun 2004 21:58 GMT >Subject: Re: What's my car worth? >From: "Bev A. Kupf" bevakupf@myhome.net [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Umm ... I was giving you my opinion as a Volvo driver. Apparently you're >a little too touchy to understand that. Apparently I am, then, because it sounded to me like your opinion is that my car is worth a $40 appraisal by someone else.
Proconsul - 27 Jun 2004 01:33 GMT | >Subject: Re: What's my car worth? | >From: "Bev A. Kupf" bevakupf@myhome.net [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] | Apparently I am, then, because it sounded to me like your opinion is that my | car is worth a $40 appraisal by someone else. Nobody who isn't "familiar" with the market in your area can give you anything remotely as accurate as an appraiser who DOES know the market in your area. Volvo drivers tend to "inflate" their views of the "value" of their cars - as do most people who favor the type/model of car that they drive. If your really seek "fair" or actual market value as your price - use an appraiser.
Bev gave you and exceptionally good answer - and the only really useful answer you'll get from anyone. Forty bucks for an appraisal done by a pro is dirt cheap - and, as stated, the best way to get that "fair" price you are seeking....
Finally, you owe Bev an apology.....
FER
PButler111 - 27 Jun 2004 03:36 GMT >Subject: Re: What's my car worth? >From: "Proconsul" nospam@nospam.org [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >FER Apparently you and Bev both misunderstood what I was asking. I've already given my brother-in-law a price on the car. I know what I'm charging him. I don't need a professional appraisal. If I did, that's what I would have gone for instead of asking Volvo owners for their opinions. But that is, in fact what I want -- unprofessional opinions from people who own Volvo and drive Volvos and undoubtedly have bought and sold them. That's what I'm asking for. I'm sorry you misunderstood. (And I don't owe Bev a damn thing.)
Bev A. Kupf - 27 Jun 2004 04:43 GMT > Apparently you and Bev both misunderstood what I was asking. I've already > given my brother-in-law a price on the car. I know what I'm charging him. This seems a little at odds with what you wrote earlier ...
> I've just bought a "new" 240 wagon (via eBay) and my brother-in-law, who lives > in mid-Michigan (I'm in the Chicago area) wants to buy my old car. I don't > want to give it away, but I want to be fair on the price, or even slightly > unfair to me. I've checked Kelley, so I know what they think. But I want to > run it by you folks and get your opinions. However, if had already decided on a price at the time you wrote this, then you felt that it worth expending the time of others playing guessing games for you. How delightfully mature and considerate.
 Signature Bev A. Kupf "The lyfe so short, the craft so long to lerne" -- Chaucer
PButler111 - 27 Jun 2004 04:53 GMT >Subject: Re: What's my car worth? >From: "Bev A. Kupf" bevakupf@myhome.net [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >you felt that it worth expending the time of others playing guessing games >for you. How delightfully mature and considerate. You're really being an a.s about this. No one was playing any games, and certainly no one forced you to waste your time on anything. If the people on this group came back with an overwhelming opinion that the car was worth more than I asked, then fine. If they'd come back with an overwhelming opinion that it was worth less than I asked, I could adjust the price accordingly. So far no one's responded with any opinion at all, so it's hardly been a waste of anyone's time, except maybe mine.
Proconsul - 27 Jun 2004 06:37 GMT | >Subject: Re: What's my car worth? | >From: "Bev A. Kupf" bevakupf@myhome.net [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] | no one's responded with any opinion at all, so it's hardly been a waste of | anyone's time, except maybe mine. You didn't' ASK your question that way.....you didn't say you'd already quoted a price.....you don't deserve an opinion beyond the excellent advice you were given - and which you chose to trash. A polite "thank you" would have made you look more like someone worth wasting bandwidth over. You didn't do that, and you're not worth wasting any more bandwidth over.
Frankly, I hope you aren't screwing your relative over.....but he should remember "Caveat Emptor".....
Thread ended.....
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PButler111 - 27 Jun 2004 17:53 GMT >You didn't' ASK your question that way.....you didn't say you'd already >quoted a price.....you don't deserve an opinion beyond the excellent advice >you were given - and which you chose to trash. A polite "thank you" would >have made you look more like someone worth wasting bandwidth over. You >didn't do that, and you're not worth wasting any more bandwidth over. Then why in the world are you still whingeing on? You're acting like a baby without its nap. I'm sure there are people who post here who understood what I was asking. You aren't one of them, so please move on. No one's forced you to make your several nasty posts on this thread.
Tim McNamara - 28 Jun 2004 00:32 GMT >>You didn't' ASK your question that way.....you didn't say you'd >>already quoted a price.....you don't deserve an opinion beyond the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > like a baby without its nap. I'm sure there are people who post > here who understood what I was asking. And yet oddly none of those people has answered your question. Maybe because you're being such a prick about it?
Tim McNamara - 27 Jun 2004 05:54 GMT > Apparently you and Bev both misunderstood what I was asking. Apparently you misunderstood that you're being a jerk.
> (And I don't owe Bev a damn thing.) Neither do we owe you a damned thing either.
Plonk!
Proconsul - 27 Jun 2004 06:34 GMT | >Subject: Re: What's my car worth? | >From: "Proconsul" nospam@nospam.org [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] | Volvos and undoubtedly have bought and sold them. That's what I'm asking for. | I'm sorry you misunderstood. (And I don't owe Bev a damn thing.) If you knew all that, why bother to ask anyone anything, after all, your mind was already made up.....
Taff was right - you are a thoroughly unpleasant person.....and none of US owes YOU a damned thing....!
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PButler111 - 27 Jun 2004 17:52 GMT >If you knew all that, why bother to ask anyone anything, after all, your >mind was already made up..... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >PC My mind obviously wasn't made up, or I wouldn't have asked, and nobody ever said you owed me anything.
Tim McNamara - 27 Jun 2004 05:53 GMT > I was asking for the opinions of Volvo drivers here, based on their > experiences. If you didn't want to give an opinion, you could have > just skipped it. I wasn't asking because I was trying to cheap out > of having an appraisal done. You know, that's just a rude response to a suggestion made in good faith. Without seeing the car, no one in this newsgroup can give you a reliable suggestion. Use your common sense. I'd say it's worth $750, but what the hell do I know? I haven't seen it!
PButler111 - 27 Jun 2004 05:55 GMT >Subject: Re: What's my car worth? >From: Tim McNamara timmcn@bitstream.net [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >a reliable suggestion. Use your common sense. I'd say it's worth >$750, but what the hell do I know? I haven't seen it! If you assume the response was made in good faith, which I don't. It sounded like a smartass remark to me, and I responded accordingly.
What information about the car do you feel you're still missing?
Graefaxe - 27 Jun 2004 12:53 GMT >>Subject: Re: What's my car worth? >>From: Tim McNamara timmcn@bitstream.net [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > What information about the car do you feel you're still missing? Well...
From the ground up, there's a lot of missing info. How are the tires? How's the paint? How's the mechanical reliability? How is the a/c working? Are there any leaks? Have all maintenence records been kept up to date? And so many more...
Yes, you asked for an opinion as to the value, you were told that without seeing it, no one could give you a good opinion. Without knowing your market, we can't give an opinion. Without a good pre-sale mechanical evaluation, no one should even try. Bev gave a very good piece of advice that I am sure many would not have even thought of, take it to someone for a professional evaluation of the resale value, then you can decide if the deal you gave your brother-in-law was good or not.
You did present this as if you had not decided how much to sell the car for. Now we find out you just wanted to know if you got ripped off or, just maybe, you were making an enemy of a family member. You should have presentred this as, "Hey. I just offered to sell my old ride for $9999. It's got 400,000 miles on it butr runs like a dream (okj more like a nightmare). The paint is peeling everywhere, but it does have the added benefit of not being able to see the bug splatter very well. And you don't even need to open the doors to grab something off the road, just reach through the floorboards! So, is that a deal or am I getting sctewed?" There would have been more info and a more accurate idea of what you were doing. Instead, you just asked for price opinions, making sound like you weren't sure and wanted a price before you made an offer.
PButler111 - 27 Jun 2004 18:00 GMT >>>Subject: Re: What's my car worth? >>>From: Tim McNamara timmcn@bitstream.net [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >working? Are there any leaks? Have all maintenence records been kept >up to date? And so many more... Hi. Thatnks for the response. I did actually talk about most of this, except, I think, the air conditioner, which needs to be recharged. To recap the rest, the tires are all new last month, the paint is good and there's no rust, the mechanical reliability is top notch, there are no leaks, the maintenance records are all there, and the car was given another check up by a Volvo mechanic last month, when the tires were replaced.
>Yes, you asked for an opinion as to the value, you were told that >without seeing it, no one could give you a good opinion. Without [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >it to someone for a professional evaluation of the resale value, then >you can decide if the deal you gave your brother-in-law was good or not. Were I advetising the car for sale, I would have done that. I'm not -- I'm making a private family deal -- and I was interested in the opinions of others with similar experience.
>You did present this as if you had not decided how much to sell the car >for. Now we find out you just wanted to know if you got ripped off or, >just maybe, you were making an enemy of a family member. How would I be ripped off if I'm the one setting the price? I wanted to know if other Volvo owners thought the price I was setting was fair so I could adjust it downward if not. There was never a question of anyone being an enemy.
You should
>have presentred this as, "Hey. I just offered to sell my old ride for >$9999. It's got 400,000 miles on it butr runs like a dream (okj more [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >getting sctewed?" There would have been more info and a more accurate >idea of what you were doing. I gave a very thorough description and explained the situation.
Instead, you just asked for price
>opinions, making sound like you weren't sure and wanted a price before >you made an offer. Again, I'm not making an offer on anything, and I did ask for price opinions because that's what I want. I've asked for and received very good and helpful advice and opinions from the people on this board before. Why I'm getting all the nastiness and bile this time around is a bit of a mystery.
Tim McNamara - 27 Jun 2004 13:54 GMT >>> I was asking for the opinions of Volvo drivers here, based on >>> their experiences. If you didn't want to give an opinion, you [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It sounded like a smartass remark to me, and I responded > accordingly. Then you're being way overly sensitive. Bev is a solid regular contributor to this newsgroup and gave you the best advice you're going to get, right down to possibly getting the appraisal done for free by even giving you the name of the peson to talk to, fer Pete's sake.
> What information about the car do you feel you're still missing? Seeing it. Driving it. Kicking the tires. Listening to the engine and the transmission, feeling the brakes and the steering. Can't do those things over the Internet. None of us are clairvoyant.
PButler111 - 27 Jun 2004 18:01 GMT >Subject: Re: What's my car worth? >From: Tim McNamara timmcn@bitstream.net [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >and the transmission, feeling the brakes and the steering. Can't do >those things over the Internet. None of us are clairvoyant. Apparently you're not a lot of things, including polite or helpful. Again, if you didn't have an answer, you should have just skipped the question.
Tim McNamara - 28 Jun 2004 00:31 GMT > Apparently you're not a lot of things, including polite or helpful. > Again, if you didn't have an answer, you should have just skipped > the question. At least I'm not a self-entitled a.shole who can't comprehend and doesn't know what politeness is.
taff - 27 Jun 2004 01:41 GMT Try looking on Ebay. That should give you some idea of what they are going for.
Taff...........
>I've just bought a "new" 240 wagon (via eBay) and my brother-in-law, who lives >in mid-Michigan (I'm in the Chicago area) wants to buy my old car. I don't [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >Patricia www.sounds-pa.com | www.thecomputerworkshop.com
PButler111 - 27 Jun 2004 03:37 GMT >Subject: Re: What's my car worth? >From: taff taff@the-valleys.com [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Taff........... Please don't anyone else give me an answer like this.
taff - 27 Jun 2004 03:54 GMT >>Subject: Re: What's my car worth? >>From: taff taff@the-valleys.com [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Please don't anyone else give me an answer like this. You seem a most unpleasant person. Goodbye.
Taff...........
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Lane - 27 Jun 2004 21:15 GMT > >Subject: Re: What's my car worth? > >From: taff taff@the-valleys.com [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Please don't anyone else give me an answer like this. 1) There is no answer to your question! 2) You appear to be the center of your world 3) Take a course social skills 4) Responds that don't fit your needs seems to frustate you. (read a book about how to raise your kids) 5) This NG isn't a gathering of really bad and evil people.
I hereby rest my case.
Lane
PButler111 - 27 Jun 2004 21:35 GMT >Subject: Re: What's my car worth? >From: "Lane" n@a.nl [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Lane Thank christ this isn't a capital case or you would have surely been dead halfway through your first "point." If you had no answer to the question, then you should have simply skipped it. Your response was both literally and figuratively uncalled for.
Tim McNamara - 28 Jun 2004 00:35 GMT > Your response was both literally and figuratively uncalled for. Whereas of course your poisonous attacks on almost every single person who responded were perfectly reasonable. Are you this much of a jerk in person, too? ROTFL!
Since you're not going to get the answer you're looking for, I guess it's time for you to move on, eh?
John in NH - 28 Jun 2004 17:01 GMT Gee, wish I had followed this thread from the beginning. :) ~~~ The biggest obstacle on the path to success is the stupidity of others.
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Bev A. Kupf - 28 Jun 2004 00:42 GMT > If you had no answer to the question, then > you should have simply skipped it. ^^^^^^
Should?!!! No offense, but you don't control someone else's ability to respond to a post on Usenet. Whether his/her response is relevant to your query is also something you don't control. Guess what you do control? Your posts, and your responses.
In that context, your use of "should" in place of "could" is presumptuous.
 Signature Bev A. Kupf "The lyfe so short, the craft so long to lerne" -- Chaucer
PButler111 - 28 Jun 2004 03:28 GMT >Subject: Re: What's my car worth? >From: "Bev A. Kupf" bevakupf@myhome.net [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >In that context, your use of "should" in place of "could" is >presumptuous. So is your snotty, self-righteous attitude, but there you are.
Randy S - 28 Jun 2004 16:12 GMT If you treat your cars like you treat people, I wouldn't give you a nickel for any car you've ever owned.
Randy
PButler111 - 28 Jun 2004 18:02 GMT >Subject: Re: What's my car worth? >From: mikado95@aol.com (Randy S) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Randy If you jump to conclusions in real life the way you do on usenet, I would guess you wouldn't have a nickel to give.
Lane - 28 Jun 2004 18:42 GMT > >Subject: Re: What's my car worth? > >From: mikado95@aol.com (Randy S) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If you jump to conclusions in real life the way you do on usenet, I would guess > you wouldn't have a nickel to give. Your behavior puzzled me (forgive me) but I think I know. You're looking for contacts and conversations for IRL you're lacking them. Please continue responding, so we all can amuse ourselves. You fooled us all.
Lane
PButler111 - 28 Jun 2004 19:15 GMT >Subject: Re: What's my car worth? >From: "Lane" n@a.nl [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Lane I have no idea who you are or what you're talking about. I asked a question of a group from whom I normally get polite, informative, helpful responses. This time a few of you decided to be thoroughgoing jackasses. I dont' know why you did, but you did. Those with helpful things to say felt the need to email me privately for fear of getting attacked by you lot as well. How proud you must be. Now why don't you go get ready so swoop down on the next person who comes by and asks a well-meaning question. It seems to be the only way you can feel good about yourself, if only momentarily.
*plonk*
John in NH - 29 Jun 2004 01:10 GMT Wow, what a bitch. :D
>I have no idea who you are or what you're talking about. I asked a question >of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >*plonk* ~~~ The biggest obstacle on the path to success is the stupidity of others.
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Doki - 29 Jun 2004 19:36 GMT > So -- given all that -- what do you think is a fair price for this > car? The car's worth what someone's willing to pay for it. Whatever the going rate is on ebay / whatever magazine cars get advertised in where you are - whatever you'd be likely to haggle off the price.
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