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> Check for air leaks, particularly at the injector seats. Trickle water
> over them while the engine is running and listen for a change in
> speed, or even for it to stall.
I tried spraying some WD-40 around the injectors and on hoses, didn't seem
to make a change, I'll try water though so I can get in more places without
making such a mess.
> Does a car of that age have points ignition? If so and they are pitted
> change them. If you see much of a spark between them if you open them
> manually (ignition on) change the condenser. Set the points gap (or
> dwell angle) and check the timing. Also replace the spark plugs if
> here is any doubt about them.
Nope, it's fully electronic with a pickup coil in the distributor. Timing is
adjustable but no points to mess with.
> It's unlikely to be a slipped timing belt if this has come on
> gradually.
That was my thought too, though knowing my brother it's hard to say exactly
how/what happened, I seem to have gotten all the mechanical aptitude and he
got the art/music ability.
> A compression test may tell you something.
I guess I may as well do this since I have access to the equipment, the
engine has around 230k miles on it but it doesn't make any nasty mechanical
sounds and ran strong well past 200k.
> If all that checks out OK, move to the fuel system. Make sure the cold
> start injector isn't leaking. Check the spray patterns of the
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> likely than any other part of the system, but don't know what symptoms
> it would produce.
The Lambda system doesn't kick in until the O2 sensor has warmed up anyway
and it idles very poorly even when cold so I'm thinking this is probably ok
or at least not the cause of all the problems.
> The warm up regulator can go bad. Check for a voltage at the
> connector, and make sure the internal heater coil has not gone open
> circuit.
The warmup regulator has been a source of trouble on my 240 Turbo as well,
it's a bit of a black box, nobody seems to know how to diagnose or repair
them. I'm hoping it's ok but another thing to check I suppose.
> Similarly, the thermo-time switch (looks like a temperature sensor at
> the rear of the engine, under the last leg of the inlet maniforld).
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>
> After this, you need to think of pressure testing the system.
I've got a list of things to check, now to find some time to deal with it.
Thanks.
Stewart Hargrave - 16 Nov 2004 01:23 GMT
>The warmup regulator has been a source of trouble on my 240 Turbo as well,
>it's a bit of a black box, nobody seems to know how to diagnose or repair
>them. I'm hoping it's ok but another thing to check I suppose.
I remember another fault that can *apparently* occur with these units.
The underside of the unit has a hole in it (some versions vary) so
that it is open to atmospheric pressure, and somewhere between the
unit and the mounting bracket, it gets blocked.
Inside is a bi-metallic strip that is heated by an electric coil as
well as by ambient temperature. The purpose of this strip is to push
against a spring, countering the effect it has upon a fuel valve port,
restricting the flow, and consequently affecting the system's control
pressure. When the strip is cold, the spring is restrained, and a
richer mixture results for cold running. As the strip warms up, it
moves away from the spring, which can then bear harder upon the valve,
reducing the mixture for normal running. Have a look here for diagrams
and further detail about K-Jet http://www.auto-solve.com/mech_inj.htm
If the strip doesn't lift off the spring retainer (for example, if the
heater coil has failed), the car will start normally from cold, and
then gradually behave as if the mixture was over rich. If the strip is
damaged, and is permanently away from the spring, it will be hard to
start, but behave normally when warm. If the valve port is blocked it
will be harder to start, and may show signs of a weak mixture when
warm. If the spring is weakened, then a permanently enriched mixture
will result.
In practice, the bimetallic strip doesn't move more than a few
millimeters, and this can be checked on the bench by opening the unit
and connecting the heater coil to a 12v battery.
I have repaired a warm-up regulator, but other than re-solder a broken
wire to the heater, you are very limited with what you can do. It is
possible to alter the position of the bimetallic strip inside by
whacking it's mounting post with a hammer (I've done it), but this is
hardly precision adjustment. Easier by far to replace.

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blurp - 17 Nov 2004 16:31 GMT
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 01:23:51 +0000, the illustrious Stewart Hargrave
<SpamOnlyToHere@MiserableOldGit.Me.uk> favored us with the following
prose:
SNIP!
>Have a look here for diagrams
>and further detail about K-Jet http://www.auto-solve.com/mech_inj.htm
That is a beautifully informative web page. Thanks James!
blurp
blurp - 17 Nov 2004 17:13 GMT
>On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 01:23:51 +0000, the illustrious Stewart Hargrave
><SpamOnlyToHere@MiserableOldGit.Me.uk> favored us with the following
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>
>blurp
CORRECTION!
Well thanks for everything else, James, but thanks to Stewart for that
link!
blurp
James Sweet - 17 Nov 2004 21:46 GMT
> >On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 01:23:51 +0000, the illustrious Stewart Hargrave
> ><SpamOnlyToHere@MiserableOldGit.Me.uk> favored us with the following
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>
> blurp
No need to thank me for anything, all I did was ask a question :)
> Check for air leaks, particularly at the injector seats. Trickle water
> over them while the engine is running and listen for a change in
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>
> A compression test may tell you something.
Well the compression test told us just about all we needed to know. The plug
on #3 was siezed so we couldn't check, but
the compression on 1, 2, and 4 was 8 (yes, 8), 120, 120. Leakdown test on 1
and 4 revealed badly leaking exhaust valves, spark plug in #1 was gummed up
black and #4 was white with bubbles in the insulator, #2 looked pretty
normal. I'm guessing either the injectors partially clogged or the whole
system was running too lean. At any rate it looks as though it's time for an
engine swap, might be a good excuse to drop in a B23E for a bit more kick.
Thanks all for the tips.