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Car Forum / Volvo Cars / June 2005Convert 245 to manual steering
I have an 81 245. If I pull the manual steering rack and associated parts from an 80 242, will it bolt right in to my car so that I can dump the power steering? I notice the input shaft on the rack is 19mm on my car and 14mm on the 80 but I thought I would grab the universal and other parts from the donor car. I am currently using the p.s. rack with the pump removed. I filled it with grease to lubricate it due to the now missing power steering fluid. I am thinking the manual rack will be better. > I have an 81 245. If I pull the manual steering rack and associated > parts from an 80 242, will it bolt right in to my car so that I can [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with grease to lubricate it due to the now missing power steering > fluid. I am thinking the manual rack will be better. Just make sure you get the whole shaft (2 universal joints) that's inside the engine compartment, as that's longer on a car with manual steering. Also make sure you have all the mounting hardware from the donor car.  SignatureMike F. Thornhill (near Toronto), Ont. Replace tt with t (twice!) and remove parentheses to email me directly. (But I check the newsgroup more often than this email address.) > I have an 81 245. If I pull the manual steering rack and associated > parts from an 80 242, will it bolt right in to my car so that I can [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with grease to lubricate it due to the now missing power steering > fluid. I am thinking the manual rack will be better. What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to avoid any resistance from the hydraulic system still attached? I was considering just removing the belt from mine rather than fix the leak. > What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to avoid any > resistance from the hydraulic system still attached? I was considering just > removing the belt from mine rather than fix the leak. It can be done, but a power rack without power is much stiffer than a manual rack. Personally I like power and would just get a replacement rack, if you don't mind manual then look for a real manual rack. > > What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to avoid any > > resistance from the hydraulic system still attached? I was considering [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > rack. Personally I like power and would just get a replacement rack, if you > don't mind manual then look for a real manual rack. Thanks for the reply, I like the power too but not keen on fixing the oil leak. They are also downright dangerous with a motor which might stall, like with power brakes. I'd rather have an old (pre power steer/brakes/auto) car than a "modern" one when it gets old. > > > What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to avoid > any [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > with power brakes. I'd rather have an old (pre power steer/brakes/auto) car > than a "modern" one when it gets old. How's it dangerous? I drove mine for a while when the belt came off before I got a chance to fix it and while it was stiff in parking lots and such it was fine on the road. I had a truck for a while with manual everything and the brakes were just as stiff as a power braked car with a bad booster or stalled engine, had to put most of my weight on the pedal to stop, particularly with a load. > > > > What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to avoid > > any [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > stalled engine, had to put most of my weight on the pedal to stop, > particularly with a load. I guess it's mainly because you are expecting a certain resistance, specially the brakes which are very light on this car. Usually the first indication it has stalled is you can't steer or brake as effectively and that, coupled with the surprise, is just the time you needed to stop or make a turn. The volvo is not so bad but big fords for instance, really need more strength than most people have to steer or brake when power fails. >>>> What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to avoid >> any [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > stalled engine, had to put most of my weight on the pedal to stop, > particularly with a load. I have been driving my 245 with the power steering pump removed for almost a month. I had some zerk fittings brazed into the banjo fittings so I could pump some grease into the rack to lubricate it in place of the missing power steering fluid. It works, it is not really easy when parking. At speeds over 20 mph it feels better than with power assist. However, I did pick up a manual steering rack yesterday from a yard and plan to fit it some time in the future. >> What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to avoid any >> resistance from the hydraulic system still attached? I was considering [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > you > don't mind manual then look for a real manual rack. In addition, PS racks always have some play when used as a manual rack because the assist valve still deflects. I definitely second that - replace with a manual rack if you don't want PS. Mike > >> What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to avoid any > >> resistance from the hydraulic system still attached? I was considering [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > because the assist valve still deflects. I definitely second that - replace > with a manual rack if you don't want PS. Again thanks fellas, can I ask another... it goes fine for a few weeks then dumps about a reserviour full from the end of the rack away from the steering box all at once. (it's a 1980 265). Is it likely to need more than seals, and are they hard to replace? > > >> What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to avoid > any [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > steering box all at once. (it's a 1980 265). Is it likely to need more than > seals, and are they hard to replace? Dunno, I've never tried, I'd probably just look for a "new" rack from a junkyard, though you always run the risk of a leaky one from there too. > Again thanks fellas, can I ask another... it goes fine for a few weeks then > dumps about a reserviour full from the end of the rack away from the > steering box all at once. (it's a 1980 265). Is it likely to need more than > seals, and are they hard to replace? Resealing a rack is an involved process requiring some special tools. Volvo had dozens of different racks, made by several different vendors, and so there are lots of different seal kits. Add in the fact that racks may have been swapped from a different car, then just getting the correct seal kit can be a challenge! There were some detail changes to the steering column in 1979, any rack from that year or newer fits any other car in that range, provided you get all the mounting hardware. Also, the dealer sells a mounting hardware kit that consists of every piece of hardware to mount any rack. SignatureMike F. Thornhill (near Toronto), Ont. Replace tt with t (twice!) and remove parentheses to email me directly. (But I check the newsgroup more often than this email address.) >> I have an 81 245. If I pull the manual steering rack and associated >> parts from an 80 242, will it bolt right in to my car so that I can [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >resistance from the hydraulic system still attached? I was considering just >removing the belt from mine rather than fix the leak. If you leave the pump hooked up the resistance will be greater than disconnecting it. See other reply (from Apple Computer) for more details. |
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