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Car Forum / Volvo Cars / July 2005

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John Robertson - 13 Jul 2005 13:21 GMT
my 740turbo 1990 has 205- 55-16 tyres on it which are very expensive .Is it
possible to put 215-60-16 which messes the speedo up ,on the car and alter
the gearing going into the differential to compensate or is it an electrical
sender .The difference is about $45 .00au dollars per tyre OR $180.00 a set
of 4 which seems a lot .As it is it would be 3.1 klms perhour too slow on a
straight swap over and with our stupid laws thats enough to get a fine of
$125.00 I think .1.8 Mph = 3 klms per hour an hour and your done cold .What
is the best cheapest way to compensate the speedo difference please .

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Peter K L Milnes - 13 Jul 2005 23:31 GMT
Try using the correct combination of wheel/tyre for the car. 15" wheels shod
with 185/65/15 tyres if saloon (sedan) or 195/65/15 tyres if estate (wagon).
If you use a set of alloys from a 740 GLE you will end up with a superb
combination which will enhance the comfort, hold the road like s**t to a
blanket and look like a Bentley/RR into the bargain.

All the best, Peter.

700/900/90 Register Keeper,
Volvo Owners Club (UK).

> my 740turbo 1990 has 205- 55-16 tyres on it which are very expensive .Is
> it possible to put 215-60-16 which messes the speedo up ,on the car and
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>
> 4
James Sweet - 14 Jul 2005 04:00 GMT
> Try using the correct combination of wheel/tyre for the car. 15" wheels shod
> with 185/65/15 tyres if saloon (sedan) or 195/65/15 tyres if estate (wagon).
> If you use a set of alloys from a 740 GLE you will end up with a superb
> combination which will enhance the comfort, hold the road like s**t to a
> blanket and look like a Bentley/RR into the bargain.

But that's no help for him since he has a '90 turbo which came with the 16"
Hydra rims. Nice wheels they are too, and getting harder to find in good
shape.
John Robertson - 14 Jul 2005 07:53 GMT
Yes they are in good condition but an odd size .LOOKS like I must pay the
man or get the speedo adjusted .Question is can I change a cog \gear teeth
on the drive somewhere to compensate my tire tyre size ?

>> Try using the correct combination of wheel/tyre for the car. 15" wheels
> shod
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Hydra rims. Nice wheels they are too, and getting harder to find in good
> shape.
Peter K L Milnes - 14 Jul 2005 12:13 GMT
Oh yes it is of help because the brake disc and callipers were made to fit
into a 15" rim. All he has to do is swap with someone for a set of 15s and
"Robert is your father's brother" ( old UK phrase "Bob's yer uncle" meaning
job sorted.).

All the best, Peter.

700/900/90 Register Keeper,
Volvo Owners Club (UK).

> Yes they are in good condition but an odd size .LOOKS like I must pay the
> man or get the speedo adjusted .Question is can I change a cog \gear teeth
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>> Hydra rims. Nice wheels they are too, and getting harder to find in good
>> shape.
James Sweet - 15 Jul 2005 04:02 GMT
> Oh yes it is of help because the brake disc and callipers were made to fit
> into a 15" rim. All he has to do is swap with someone for a set of 15s and
> "Robert is your father's brother" ( old UK phrase "Bob's yer uncle" meaning
> job sorted.).
>
> All the best, Peter.

Well if he wanted to lose the nice 16" rims. If they're in good shape I'd
trade him my 15" alloys with a decent set of tires on them for the 16"s,
best looking rims Volvo ever made IMO, and they improve the handling of the
car over the 15s too. Tires cost a bit more but so what? Not like they have
to be replaced weekly.
Mike F - 14 Jul 2005 13:49 GMT
> Yes they are in good condition but an odd size .LOOKS like I must pay the
> man or get the speedo adjusted .Question is can I change a cog \gear teeth
> on the drive somewhere to compensate my tire tyre size ?

The speedo has an electronic pick in the diff cover that "counts" the
teeth on a gear on the diff carrier.  There's nothing to exchange
easily.  However, customization is very common with hot rodders and
there's quite an industry to support this sort of thing.  A quick search
of the 'net turned this up at the top of the list.

http://www.abbott-tach.com/era.htm

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Peter K L Milnes - 15 Jul 2005 00:53 GMT
At last an easy way to do it. Thanks for the link Mike.

All the best, Peter.

700/900/90 Register Keeper,
Volvo Owners Club (UK).

>> Yes they are in good condition but an odd size .LOOKS like I must pay the
>> man or get the speedo adjusted .Question is can I change a cog \gear
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> http://www.abbott-tach.com/era.htm
John Robertson - 14 Jul 2005 07:50 GMT
Hi its got alloys 16 inch as standard nice too but the cost of tires tyres
is an issue .16 inch are very expensive as for 17 go rob a bank first .
> Try using the correct combination of wheel/tyre for the car. 15" wheels
> shod with 185/65/15 tyres if saloon (sedan) or 195/65/15 tyres if estate
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>>
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User - 16 Jul 2005 20:01 GMT
> Hi its got alloys 16 inch as standard nice too but the cost of tires tyres
> is an issue .16 inch are very expensive as for 17 go rob a bank first .

Speedometers are designed so that 1000 revolutons of the driven wheel
equals one mile or one kilometer. This can be seen on the speedo face by
the designation r=XXX or KXXXX. If the circumference of your wheel and
tire combination can be matched with any other wheel combination
available for the chassis then there is speedometer gearing avaialble
for your car. Provided of course that the rear axle ratio in your car
was also available in other versions.

There are five differential ratios for the US market:
3.31; 3.54; 3.91; 3.73; 4.10, and five different speedo ratios. The
available combinations in your market should be similar.

Bob


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James Sweet - 16 Jul 2005 21:41 GMT
> Speedometers are designed so that 1000 revolutons of the driven wheel
> equals one mile or one kilometer. This can be seen on the speedo face by
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> for your car. Provided of course that the rear axle ratio in your car
> was also available in other versions.

That doesn't really apply to these cars though as they don't have a speedo
gear, it's electronic and replacing the pickup wheel involves dissasembling
the rear axel assembly.
User - 19 Jul 2005 22:58 GMT
> > Speedometers are designed so that 1000 revolutons of the driven wheel
> > equals one mile or one kilometer. This can be seen on the speedo face by
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> gear, it's electronic and replacing the pickup wheel involves dissasembling
> the rear axel assembly.

That's why the speedometer gearing is matched to the differential ratio.
The shutter wheel on the diff is the same for all models with an
electronic speedo.

Bob
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athol - 20 Jul 2005 09:21 GMT
>> That doesn't really apply to these cars though as they don't have a speedo
>> gear, it's electronic and replacing the pickup wheel involves dissasembling
>> the rear axel assembly.

> That's why the speedometer gearing is matched to the differential ratio.

Is it?  I thought that it was attached to the hemisphere, not the pinion?!?

If it's on the hemisphere (or ring gear, or an axle) it'll depend only on
the tyre diameter.

> The shutter wheel on the diff is the same for all models with an
> electronic speedo.

Almost.  According to someone on brickboards, there is a 12-tooth for non-ABS
and a different one (48 or 96) for ABS.

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James Sweet - 21 Jul 2005 03:32 GMT
> >> That doesn't really apply to these cars though as they don't have a speedo
> >> gear, it's electronic and replacing the pickup wheel involves dissasembling
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>
> Is it?  I thought that it was attached to the hemisphere, not the pinion?!?

It's on the axel, you're right, the pinion ratio has no effect, only the
tire size.
 
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