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Car Forum / Volvo Cars / September 2005Tare weight of 2-series?
I'm trying to find a definitive weight of a 2-series Volvo. Most of the web sites that I've looked at have either had a weight that was too light or quote vague "ranges" of weight. The reason that I'm trying to find a weight is that the original weight of the "heaviest sedan variant" is used to determine the maximum engine capacity permitted where I am. It's explained here: <http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi06.pdf> In summary, heaviest sedan variant can be 2-door or 4-door but not a wagon. The weight is supposed to include all fluids at normal levels, 10 litres of fuel and no people or luggage. Standard equipment counts but options don't, so a GLE coming standard with power steering, A/C, etc. counts but not extras such as a towbar. To be allowed to put turbochargers on the 350 chev in my Volvo, I need to be able to show that the heaviest sedan variant weighed over 1434kg (3155lbs). Otherwise, I'll have to source a 327 crankshaft and rebuild the engine to the smaller capacity... Any suggestions?  SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > I'm trying to find a definitive weight of a 2-series Volvo. Most of the > web sites that I've looked at have either had a weight that was too light [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Any suggestions? How would they ever know whether the engine was a 327 or a 350? IIRC the heaviest sedan model was right around 3100 lbs, there's so many variables though I don't know how you could possibly specify it down to within a hundred pounds or so. Why don't you weigh the car? Any metal scrap yard should have a vehicle scale. > How would they ever know whether the engine was a 327 or a 350? It can be done. Not easy but possible. Unfortunately, aside from the fact that I would know, the receipt that I have for the engine clearly states that it's a 350. > IIRC the heaviest sedan model was right around 3100 lbs, I found reference to early 264GLEs and 244GLTs over the 3155lbs that I was looking for. I just need to find a viable way of proving it... > there's so many > variables though I don't know how you could possibly specify it down to > within a hundred pounds or so. Vehicle manufacturers specify down to far less. Often, they'll specify the weight of a car to an odd number of kg, but the AU model will have a different specified weight to the US model, Canadian model, etc.. > Why don't you weigh the car? Any metal scrap > yard should have a vehicle scale. The weight I have to use is the original manufacturer's weight, not as modified. So far, I've found this web site that has dubious accuracy: <http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=106315> The reason why I question it's accuracy is that the vehicle listed is a 1980 240 Turbo (no such thing) and the 1980 264GLE is listed as much lighter than it should be and has the 2.8L engine capacity listed instead of the 2.7L. I'm hoping that I'll be able to confirm the weight of a 240GLT as 1440kg because that would solve the problem. :-) SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > It can be done. Not easy but possible. Unfortunately, aside from > the fact that I would know, the receipt that I have for the engine > clearly states that it's a 350. I'm not sure I understand the significance? I guess things are different there but here nobody would care what the displacement of the engine is. > The reason why I question it's accuracy is that the vehicle listed is a > 1980 240 Turbo (no such thing) and the 1980 264GLE is listed as much > lighter than it should be and has the 2.8L engine capacity listed instead > of the 2.7L. I know someone who has or had a 1980 240 Turbo, they didn't make very many of them but they did make them. > I'm not sure I understand the significance? I guess things are different > there but here nobody would care what the displacement of the engine is. Bureaucrats care. :-p > I know someone who has or had a 1980 240 Turbo, they didn't make very many > of them but they did make them. It was called a "240", not a "244" in 1980? SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > I'm trying to find a definitive weight of a 2-series Volvo. Most of the > web sites that I've looked at have either had a weight that was too light [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Any suggestions? will the owners manual do? It isn't always pointed out that those weights include the driver. Otherwise the diesel (1369) is slightly heavier than the turbo (1364). Some markets had 244 GLT's with the V6, these might be heavier. 1980 turbo's could be police versions, or you might put it down to the volvo practice of introducing 81 models in the fall of '80. Signature--- Marten >I'm trying to find a definitive weight of a 2-series Volvo. Most of the >web sites that I've looked at have either had a weight that was too light >or quote vague "ranges" of weight. That's never been easy. Depending on what country and what the car is, all sorts of "standards" might have been used. In the US, in the 40's some cars' weights were listed dry, and without tires, but that was not generally advertised. I think it might have had something to do with registration or shipping fees, but that's hjust a guess. __ __ Randy & \ \/ /alerie's \__/olvos '90 245 Estate - '93 965 Estate "Shelby" & "Kate" Is there not a weight listed on the door sticker with the VIN, date of manufacture, etc? Of course, no Volvo came with a 350 chevy."The weight I have to use is the original manufacturer's weight, not as modified." I know you said heaviest variant at the beginning, but if the issue of truth about a 350 instead of a 327 troubles you, I guess if your door sticker has a weight that doesn't meet the requirement, that should trouble you also. Good Luck. >>I'm trying to find a definitive weight of a 2-series Volvo. Most of the >>web sites that I've looked at have either had a weight that was too light [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > '90 245 Estate - '93 965 Estate > "Shelby" & "Kate" Googled it and looks like 1293 kg for a 1980 262 GL. > Is there not a weight listed on the door sticker with the VIN, date of > manufacture, etc? Of course, no Volvo came with a 350 chevy."The weight [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> '90 245 Estate - '93 965 Estate >> "Shelby" & "Kate" > Googled it and looks like 1293 kg for a 1980 262 GL. The factory weight of an AU market '80 264GLE is 1390kg... I don't think that there is even any such thing as an '80 262 GL. By '80, the 262 was a Bertone 262C. SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > Is there not a weight listed on the door sticker with the VIN, date of > manufacture, etc? Door sticker? No such thing on an Australian market vehicle. > Of course, no Volvo came with a 350 chevy."The weight > I have to use is the original manufacturer's weight, not as > modified." I know you said heaviest variant at the beginning, but if the > issue of truth about a 350 instead of a 327 troubles you, I guess if > your door sticker has a weight that doesn't meet the requirement, that > should trouble you also. Good Luck. The rule here applies to the heaviest variant, not to the actual car. Because of what I do for a living, my own vehicle has to be beyond reproach. If not, I could genuinely jeopardise my career. Pretending that a 350 is a 327 could be a serious issue. Proving that a turbocharged 350 is okay would eliminate the problem. SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. This website list the 1980 240 turbo at1440kg- 3175 lb- maybe your aussie civil servant would accept that information. http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=106315 >>Is there not a weight listed on the door sticker with the VIN, date of >>manufacture, etc? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Pretending that a 350 is a 327 could be a serious issue. Proving that a > turbocharged 350 is okay would eliminate the problem. > This website list the 1980 240 turbo at1440kg- 3175 lb- maybe your > aussie civil servant would accept that information. > http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=106315 If I can find a completely independant source that gives the same number, preferrably in the form of a number on registration documents or a genuine Volvo document, I'll be right... SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > > This website list the 1980 240 turbo at1440kg- 3175 lb- maybe your > > aussie civil servant would accept that information. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. > I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. The Dutch vehicle registration authority lists 240 turbo's at 1305 kg, and a diesel at 1335kg. Will figures for a 264 do? Signature--- Marten Gerritsen INFOapestaartjeM-GINEERINGpuntNL www.m-gineering.nl > The Dutch vehicle registration authority lists 240 turbo's at 1305 kg, > and a diesel at 1335kg. Will figures for a 264 do? They are the same chassis, so yes, a 264 weight would be fine. SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > I'm trying to find a definitive weight of a 2-series Volvo. Most of the > web sites that I've looked at have either had a weight that was too light [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > (3155lbs). Otherwise, I'll have to source a 327 crankshaft and rebuild > the engine to the smaller capacity... Got it: go to https://info.apk.nl/ovi/OviInvoer.aspx this is the offical register of our road vehicle licencing authority in the Netherlands type in ZJ-HN-10 in the yellow licence plate (note capitals!) hit "zoeken" massa ledig voertuig = 1530 kg (mass empty vehicle) SignatureMarten > Got it: > go to https://info.apk.nl/ovi/OviInvoer.aspx > this is the offical register of our road vehicle licencing authority in > the Netherlands > type in ZJ-HN-10 in the yellow licence plate (note capitals!) > hit "zoeken" I'm guessing that this is the details of a specific car? > massa ledig voertuig = 1530 kg (mass empty vehicle) Eek! That's far heavier than expected! Let's see... 264 TE (never heard of TE before), Blue, petrol, 6-cylinder, Built 1 July 1977, entered Netherlands 25 May 1999, current rego renewed 28 June 2005, expires 3 June 2006. Oh, and they haven't got the engine capacity, gross mass or tow rating on their records... How'd I do? SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > > Got it: > > go to https://info.apk.nl/ovi/OviInvoer.aspx [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I'm guessing that this is the details of a specific car? yes, you can look up your own car and see when it is due for it's MOT etc. I had to troll a few websites for a picture of a nice and heavy 264. > > massa ledig voertuig = 1530 kg (mass empty vehicle) > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > How'd I do? correct, standard 264.s are around 1330, but this is a special import so they didn't bother with the all the details. But they made sure they got the weight right, as that is used for -heavy- taxation ;) Signature--- Marten > correct, standard 264.s are around 1330 Hmm. The AU market 264GLE was 1390. I wonder what extra we got (or what they left out of the NL model)... > but this is a special import so > they didn't bother with the all the details. But they made sure they got > the weight right, as that is used for -heavy- taxation ;) It's amazing how much bureacrats across the world have in common. :-p SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > massa ledig voertuig = 1530 kg (mass empty vehicle) The 1977 and 1979 Volvo brochures say "approx 1635kg". http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/pdf/brochures/264TE-Brochure1977.pdf http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/pdf/brochures/264TE-Brochure1979.pdf Long wheelbase model. I didn't even know it existed until I entered 264TE into google... Thank you, thank you, thank you. :-) SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > > massa ledig voertuig = 1530 kg (mass empty vehicle) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Thank you, thank you, thank you. :-) You might want to keep mumm about the extra long wheelbase ;) Signature--- Marten Gerritsen INFOapestaartjeM-GINEERINGpuntNL www.m-gineering.nl > You might want to keep mumm about the extra long wheelbase ;) It is an official Volvo model, and is a sedan variant of the platform... If they can use the weight of a 111" wheelbase sedan (GM Holden) to determine the maximum engine size permitted in a 119.5" wheelbase truck based on that sedan, I think that I can use an official Volvo model long wheelbase vehicle that is quite clearly the same basic model... :-) SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. |
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