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Car Forum / Volvo Cars / November 2005Desperate: need advice on object that fell into oil pan
I desperately need a little advice as I'm heading out of town for the weekend and I think I may have created a problem for myself! I have a 1999 Volvo S80 that I had put away for the summer and I pulled it back out for the winter. The oil needs to be changed and I was checking the power steering fluid and the oil levels before driving it much further. When I went to pull the oil dipstick out, it got stuck and broke into several small pieces. I was able to get most of the pieces out but one of the small pieces fell down the tube. Assuming the piece went all the way down, what are the risks? Could that little piece cause a blockage and, perhaps cause engine seizure? Would changing the oil remove the piece? Would it be safe to drive a few miles to the dealer to have them fix it? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!! The quicker the better!! Thanks!  Signature"I'm just very selective about the reality I accept" -- Calvin > I desperately need a little advice as I'm heading out of town for > the weekend and I think I may have created a problem for myself! > I have a 1999 Volvo S80 that I had put away for the summer > and I pulled it back out for the winter. > The oil needs to be changed and I was checking the power steering > fluid and the oil levels before driving it much further. When > I went to pull the oil dipstick out, it got stuck and broke into > several small pieces. > I was able to get most of the pieces out but one of the small pieces > fell down the tube. > Assuming the piece went all the way down, what are the risks? > Could that little piece cause a blockage and, perhaps cause > engine seizure? > Would changing the oil remove the piece? Would it be safe > to drive a few miles to the dealer to have them fix it? > Any advice would be greatly appreciated!! The quicker > the better!! Depends how big it is. I dropped a small bolt into the sump of a 350 chev years ago - down the distributor hole. The bolt was probably a 5/16UNC bolt about 12mm (1/2") long, with a captive nut under the head. IIRC, it was one of the bolts that held the coil bracket onto the inlet manifold and I was removing it to convert the engine to electronic ignition. The bolt stayed in the sump for several years, coming out when I removed the sump for an unrelated reason. I think it was the sump that got squashed in a crash, but might have been when I was changing sumps to put the engine in a different car. Don't remember, but doesn't matter. The bolt had a few gouges in it where it had obviously been a bit close to moving parts of the engine, but there were only about 2 or 3 marks and there was no obvious damage to the engine, which is still in a car (a Volvo, even) and runs fine. I don't know enough about the specific model of engine or the size of the broken piece, but as a general rule, I'd suggest that a small piece shouldn't do too much damage provided that it is too big to be picked up by the oil pickup and ends up falling into the bottom of the sump. SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > I don't know enough about the specific model of engine or the size of > the broken piece, but as a general rule, I'd suggest that a small piece > shouldn't do too much damage provided that it is too big to be picked > up by the oil pickup and ends up falling into the bottom of the sump. I guess that's my big concern there: It's small, plastic and likely to float and not go to the bottom. Thanks for the response. Signature"I'm just very selective about the reality I accept" -- Calvin >>I don't know enough about the specific model of engine or the size of >>the broken piece, but as a general rule, I'd suggest that a small piece [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks for the response. If it's plastic it probably won't cause much of a problem, if it does get into anything moving, it'll be shredded and end up as bits in the oil filter. >>>I don't know enough about the specific model of engine or the size of >>>the broken piece, but as a general rule, I'd suggest that a small piece >>>shouldn't do too much damage provided that it is too big to be picked >>>up by the oil pickup and ends up falling into the bottom of the sump. >> I guess that's my big concern there: It's small, plastic and likely >> to float and not go to the bottom. > If it's plastic it probably won't cause much of a problem, if it does > get into anything moving, it'll be shredded and end up as bits in the > oil filter. That's pretty much my thoughts, too. Extremely unlikely to damage any metal bits in the engine. If it floats, it might get bashed around a bit and that's about that. Of course, if you have some engine oil and another piece of the same stuff, you could put it in a jar or similar and check whether it floats or sinks. If it sinks, forget about it completely! SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. >>>>I don't know enough about the specific model of engine or the size of >>>>the broken piece, but as a general rule, I'd suggest that a small piece [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > stuff, you could put it in a jar or similar and check whether it floats > or sinks. If it sinks, forget about it completely! How about dragging a magnet from the outside of the sump all round to the centre where you drain the oil and see if it shows up....ahem drain oil first!!! <snip> > How about dragging a magnet from the outside of the sump all round to > the centre where you drain the oil and see if it shows up....ahem drain > oil first!!! It won't. It's plastic. :) SignatureCrazy Dog wfh at crazy hyphen dog dot fsnet dot co dot uk > How about dragging a magnet from the outside of the sump all round to > the centre where you drain the oil and see if it shows up....ahem drain > oil first!!! Given that it's plastic, I have slight doubts as to a magnet being helpful :) >>I don't know enough about the specific model of engine or the size of >>the broken piece, but as a general rule, I'd suggest that a small piece [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks for the response. A plastic oil dipstick? My XC has a cheap yellow plastic transmission dipstick with no handle on it which is concealed by a hose that is stamped "made in Spain", just to keep owners from checking their own fluid or it's color. > When > I went to pull the oil dipstick out, it got stuck and broke into [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Would changing the oil remove the piece? Would it be safe > to drive a few miles to the dealer to have them fix it? Timing gear teeth are a regular find in the oilpan of B20 & B30 engines, so usually small pieces pose no problem. Provided the sieve on the oilpump is intact. This could be damaged if you have a large dent in the bottom of the oilpan. You don't want the oilpressure relief valve jammed open! Signature--- Marten >I desperately need a little advice as I'm heading out of town for >the weekend and I think I may have created a problem for myself! [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Thanks! Isn't that what an oil filter's for? It would stand to reason that the filter stands between the oil in the pan and the engine. Perhaps next time you change the filter you'll find the piece. blurp. >>I desperately need a little advice as I'm heading out of town for >>the weekend and I think I may have created a problem for myself! [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >filter stands between the oil in the pan and the engine. Perhaps next >time you change the filter you'll find the piece. For a plastic part that is probably true, but if it were a metal part it would have to go through the oil pump first, and that could definitely be a problem. And as another poster stated, you don't want anythign to get wedged into the oile pressure relief valve. __ __ Randy & \ \/ /alerie's \__/olvos '90 245 Estate - '93 965 Estate "Shelby" & "Kate" >Isn't that what an oil filter's for? Nope. The filter is between the oil pump and the "engine". Anything caught by the filter has already passed through the pump. There's also a simple wire mesh strainer on the pump inlet, so as to protect the pump itself. Get a small piece of wire, or a coil of swarf from a stripped bolt, through this strainer and into the pump's gears and it's likely to damage the pump, possibly enough to cause low oil pressure problems. |
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