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Help! 1995 Volvo 850 with 95K?

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Daniel Anderson - 21 Nov 2005 00:34 GMT
I just ran across a 1995 Volvo 850 4 Door sedan with 95K miles for $3750.
I've been looking to buy a Toyota/Honda for under $5000 and ran across this.
But, I'm totally Volvo illiterate. Is this a good model and year? Are Volvos
reliable? The car has only had one owner and seems to be well-taken care
of -- can I get the same mileage out of a Volvo as I could a Honda or
Toyota? Chime in, anyone, please!
john - 21 Nov 2005 01:13 GMT
i have a 1995 850 GLT with 122,000 miles on it and I love it....just keep
the maintenance up and you shouldn't  have a problem.

>I just ran across a 1995 Volvo 850 4 Door sedan with 95K miles for $3750.
>I've been looking to buy a Toyota/Honda for under $5000 and ran across
>this. But, I'm totally Volvo illiterate. Is this a good model and year? Are
>Volvos reliable? The car has only had one owner and seems to be well-taken
>care of -- can I get the same mileage out of a Volvo as I could a Honda or
>Toyota? Chime in, anyone, please!
Stephen Henning - 21 Nov 2005 15:29 GMT
"Daniel Anderson" <danderso@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I ran across a 1995 Volvo 850 4 Door sedan with 95K miles for $3750.
>I'm totally Volvo illiterate. Is this a good model and year? Are
>Volvos reliable? The car has only had one owner and seems to be
>well-taken care of -- can I get the same mileage out of a Volvo as I
>could a Honda or Toyota? Chime in, anyone, please!

I had a 1993 Volvo 850 and have a 1995 Volvo 850.  It is a very good
model.  We get about 25 mpg around town and around 30 mpg on highway
driving.  We get dealer service every 10,000 miles and will keep the car
for at least 180,000 miles and then sell it privately.  It is still like
new.  The only problem I had was with the automatic transmission.  The
pnp switch failed causing the idiot light (a flashing up arrow) to come
on.  The dealer misdiagnosed the problem and fixed other things before
he finally (through help on this group) was told what the problem was.  
I have a review of my 850's on my website.
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James Sweet - 21 Nov 2005 04:00 GMT
> I just ran across a 1995 Volvo 850 4 Door sedan with 95K miles for $3750.
> I've been looking to buy a Toyota/Honda for under $5000 and ran across this.
> But, I'm totally Volvo illiterate. Is this a good model and year? Are Volvos
> reliable? The car has only had one owner and seems to be well-taken care
> of -- can I get the same mileage out of a Volvo as I could a Honda or
> Toyota? Chime in, anyone, please!

There's a few issues with the 850's, but they're well documented and
they're overall good cars. I'm not aware of a car that lasts as long in
general as Volvos, there's quite a few of them running around with well
over 200K on them and I've seen a few with the 300K badge on the back in
my area. Heck mine will be deserving of that badge in about a year if
things keep up.
Aawara Chowdhury - 21 Nov 2005 04:40 GMT
>> I just ran across a 1995 Volvo 850 4 Door sedan with 95K miles for $3750.
>> I've been looking to buy a Toyota/Honda for under $5000 and ran across this.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> my area. Heck mine will be deserving of that badge in about a year if
> things keep up.

On alt.autos.mercedes and alt.autos.bmw, you'll find lots of people
who'll say the same about their MBs and BMWs.  One of my cars was a
1981 300TD wagon with just over 350K miles.  Ran great, minimal
maintenance - until Katrina hit.  Living in the South does help with
the diesel though.  I just looked at a 84 BMW 633csi today with
223K miles, but the asking price was too high.  Car was in great
shape.

To the OP - any good European car that's maintained well will outlast
a Toyota or a Honda.  But - maintenance will usually be more expensive.

AC
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James Sweet - 21 Nov 2005 06:58 GMT
> On alt.autos.mercedes and alt.autos.bmw, you'll find lots of people
> who'll say the same about their MBs and BMWs.  One of my cars was a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> 223K miles, but the asking price was too high.  Car was in great
> shape.

Mercedes and BMW are also very well made cars, much better than the
average Ford, Chevy, Kia, etc which are so common.
Henry - 21 Nov 2005 09:25 GMT
> ...can I get the same mileage out of a Volvo as I could a Honda or
> Toyota? Chime in, anyone, please!

If by 'mileage' you mean 'longevity', then, as others have replied, yes,
indeed. Well-maintained Volvos last a very long time.

If, however, you mean 'fuel economy', then...well...maybe not.   :-)

cheers,

Henry

'95 850T with 71K _km_
John Horner - 21 Nov 2005 16:38 GMT
>>...can I get the same mileage out of a Volvo as I could a Honda or
>>Toyota? Chime in, anyone, please!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> If, however, you mean 'fuel economy', then...well...maybe not.   :-)

My non turbo, manual transmission 850 is completely acceptable from a
fuel economy point of view.  20-25 MPG in local driving, 28-33 mpg on
highway trips.

John
John Horner - 21 Nov 2005 16:37 GMT
> I just ran across a 1995 Volvo 850 4 Door sedan with 95K miles for $3750.
> I've been looking to buy a Toyota/Honda for under $5000 and ran across this.
> But, I'm totally Volvo illiterate. Is this a good model and year? Are Volvos
> reliable? The car has only had one owner and seems to be well-taken care
> of -- can I get the same mileage out of a Volvo as I could a Honda or
> Toyota? Chime in, anyone, please!

I have a '96 850 and like it very much.  As with any car of that age,
problems are going to start coming up and they can be expensive.   Known
big dollar trouble spots include the ABS controller and A/C evaporator.

If the vehicle has an impecable and complete service record you might be
on to a good buy.

John
James Sweet - 22 Nov 2005 03:43 GMT
> If the vehicle has an impecable and complete service record you might be
> on to a good buy.

People always tend to say that, but I don't think I've ever even seen a
used car with what I'd call an "impeccable and complete" service record.
When you buy used, you take what you can find, check it out as well as
possible and if you like it, go for it. You could get a complete dud
with a great service record, or you could pass up a sweet ride because
the paperwork wasn't saved.
Aawara Chowdhury - 22 Nov 2005 04:02 GMT
>> If the vehicle has an impecable and complete service record you might be
>> on to a good buy.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> with a great service record, or you could pass up a sweet ride because
> the paperwork wasn't saved.

Agreed.

I'd say that knowing that major maintenance has been done is a good idea
- like timing belt changes, tranny flush, coolant flush, brake pads.

Something you can tell while test driving - warped rotors, other unusual
sounds.

Little sh.t like oil changes, I don't care too much about - can tell much
more by looking at the oil, and other fluids.

AC
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Henry - 22 Nov 2005 04:43 GMT
> Little sh.t like oil changes, I don't care too much about ...

Heh. The single most important thing you can do for your car.

cheers,

Henry
Aawara Chowdhury - 22 Nov 2005 04:43 GMT
>> Little sh.t like oil changes, I don't care too much about ...
>
> Heh. The single most important thing you can do for your car.

If you change the oil yourself, you're not going to have any
records of having done that - and I was referring to having
records of maintenance, not the maintenance itself.

AC

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James Sweet - 22 Nov 2005 04:53 GMT
>>>Little sh.t like oil changes, I don't care too much about ...
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> AC

I do 100% of my own maintenance, from oil changes to engine/transmission
swaps, so if I sold a car it would be in fantastic shape mechanically
since I'm super anal about that stuff, but it wouldn't have any
maintenance records for the whole time I'd owned it.
John Horner - 22 Nov 2005 17:42 GMT
> I do 100% of my own maintenance, from oil changes to engine/transmission
> swaps, so if I sold a car it would be in fantastic shape mechanically
> since I'm super anal about that stuff, but it wouldn't have any
> maintenance records for the whole time I'd owned it.

Uh, I do my own work as well, and I write it all down.   It takes less
than 2 minutes to make the entry in the log book.

John
Stephen Henning - 22 Nov 2005 22:16 GMT
> Uh, I do my own work as well, and I write it all down.   It takes less
> than 2 minutes to make the entry in the log book.

<whether the person did the service or not>

I have all my service done at the dealer.  I used to do it myself, but
found out it is cheaper to have the dealer do it.  For example, my '01
V70XC gets an oil change every 7,500 miles.  In 180,000 miles, that is
24 oil changes.  Say, I pay $20 for a dealer to change the oil, that is
$480 and when I sell the car it is worth at least $1000 more because I
can prove that it had all specified dealer service.  I stick the extra
$520 in my pocket, thank you.  Don't worry about the pennies, it is the
dollars where the action is.
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Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA, USA
   Owned '67,'68,'71,'74,'79,'81,'87,'93,'95 & '01 Volvos.
   The '67,'74,'79,'87,'95 and '01 through European Delivery.
 http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman/volvo.html

James Sweet - 23 Nov 2005 03:48 GMT
>> I do 100% of my own maintenance, from oil changes to
>> engine/transmission swaps, so if I sold a car it would be in fantastic
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> John

When you're maintaining upwards of 12 Volvos and a Saab along with a
horrendous pile of non car related projects, that 2 minutes to write
something down starts to add up, not worth it IMO, by the time I sell a
car I've way more than got my money out of it, I've only sold a couple
but they were old and cheap enough nobody even asked for service info.
Stephen Henning - 23 Nov 2005 16:27 GMT
> When you're maintaining upwards of 12 Volvos and a Saab along with a
> horrendous pile of non car related projects, that 2 minutes to write
> something down starts to add up, not worth it IMO, by the time I sell a
> car I've way more than got my money out of it, I've only sold a couple
> but they were old and cheap enough nobody even asked for service info.

I keep my Volvos 180,000 miles and then sell them for about 1/3 of what
I paid for them.  That makes them about the cheapest vehicle I can buy,
even though I do get dealer service.  The increased resale value pays
for the dealer service.
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   Owned '67,'68,'71,'74,'79,'81,'87,'93,'95 & '01 Volvos.
   The '67,'74,'79,'87,'95 and '01 through European Delivery.
 http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman/volvo.html

James Sweet - 24 Nov 2005 02:16 GMT
> I keep my Volvos 180,000 miles and then sell them for about 1/3 of what
> I paid for them.  That makes them about the cheapest vehicle I can buy,
> even though I do get dealer service.  The increased resale value pays
> for the dealer service.

Still more expensive than mine, the one I've put the most mileage on I
paid $500 for nearly 5 years ago, spend probably $300 a year in
maintenance, looks sharp and never let me down. No reason to ever sell
it unless I find a nicer one and have no more space for more cars.
Henry - 22 Nov 2005 05:48 GMT
> If you change the oil yourself, you're not going to have any
> records of having done that -

Erm...why not? You take the receipt showing what oil and filter you
bought on what date, you make a note of the odometer reading on the date
of the change, and you stick it in the folder with the owner's manual
and the other maintenance records. OK, so this is not _proof_ that you
actually performed the oil change. But if you are scrupulous about
taking care of your car and have 'official' documentation for getting
other things done on time, then a prospective buyer will most likely
recognise your 'good faith' and accept the receipts as evidence.

Having said that, I will add here that I keep these records entirely for
myself. I am 54 years old and my '95 850 has only 71 000 km.; if it
lasts another ten years or more (and why shouldn't it?), I expect (and
hope) that this will be the last car I ever need.

> and I was referring to having
> records of maintenance, not the maintenance itself.

OK, fair enough.

cheers,

Henry
Aawara Chowdhury - 22 Nov 2005 05:50 GMT
>> If you change the oil yourself, you're not going to have any
>> records of having done that -
>
> Erm...why not? You take the receipt showing what oil and filter

Some people take care of more than one car, and don't make the
notes that you do.

> Having said that, I will add here that I keep these records entirely for
> myself. I am 54 years old

I'm 48, and have never kept records of car maintenance.  I do keep
records of major items purchased (new exhaust, tyres etc.).  We're
down to one car now - my wife's '89 240 that went to Texas with us.  
My car was totalled by Katrina.

AC
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Henry - 22 Nov 2005 06:17 GMT
> My car was totalled by Katrina.

Unlucky, mate. That of course is the kind of thing that even the
best-kept records can't help. No hurricanes here, thank luck, but my
nightmare would be having my 850 totaled in an accident that was 100%
not my fault, because I know full well that any insurance settlement on
a ten-year-old car is never going to come close to reimbursing the
actual value of this lovingly-tended, little-used one of mine -- not to
mention the cost of replacing it with something comparable.

cheers,

Henry
Stephen Henning - 22 Nov 2005 04:08 GMT
> People always tend to say that, but I don't think I've ever even seen a
> used car with what I'd call an "impeccable and complete" service record.

Then you never bought one from me.  Mine are always serviced by the
dealer that sold it to me.  The dealer transfers the record over to the
new owner. No problem.  I think all dealers will do that.
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Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA, USA
   Owned '67,'68,'71,'74,'79,'81,'87,'93,'95 & '01 Volvos.
   The '67,'74,'79,'87,'95 and '01 through European Delivery.
 http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman/volvo.html

John Horner - 22 Nov 2005 17:41 GMT
>> If the vehicle has an impecable and complete service record you might
>> be on to a good buy.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> with a great service record, or you could pass up a sweet ride because
> the paperwork wasn't saved.

They are out there.  For one thing, anytime I sell one of my personal
cars that is exactly what the buyer gets.

True enough, such vehicles are the exception, but with a high end car
like a Volvo you should be able to find one's where the original owner
went to the dealer every six months like clockwork.  Somewhere around 1
in 10 used Volvos can be found which are indeed perfectly maintained.

With garden variety cars this is less common, but with higher end brands
they are not all that hard to find if you take your time.

John
Doug Warner - 22 Nov 2005 14:51 GMT
>I have a '96 850 and like it very much.  As with any car of that age,
>problems are going to start coming up and they can be expensive.   Known
>big dollar trouble spots include the ABS controller and A/C evaporator.

What's the issue with the ABS controller?  My 94, with 220K turns the
ABS light on occasionally, and shows almost every fayult in the book
when I read it.  ABS still works though, even when the light is on.

(Only major repair needed on mine was a leaking rear crankshaft seal)
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Java Man - 22 Nov 2005 16:41 GMT
> >I have a '96 850 and like it very much.  As with any car of that age,=20
> >problems are going to start coming up and they can be expensive.   Known=
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> ABS light on occasionally, and shows almost every fayult in the book
> when I read it.  ABS still works though, even when the light is on.

I had the ABS warning light coming on intermittently along with a few
other electrical symptoms -- shift lock staying on, turn signals
inoperative.  It was fixed by replacing the ignition switch.

Rick
PK - 22 Nov 2005 00:28 GMT
I have a 95 850 turbo wagon that I purchased with 60,000. It now has 115,00
and has been very reliable and a joy to drive even for a wagon. Earlier 850
had automatic tranny issues but improved with the 95 model. The only costly
repairs were the a/c evap changed at 100,000 and the fuel pump at 110,000.
Where are you going to get a reliable used car that could last, with proper
maintenance, another 120,000 or more for $3750? Ask the guy for the
maintenance records. If he took good care of it, don't think twice.
Java Man - 22 Nov 2005 17:22 GMT
> I just ran across a 1995 Volvo 850 4 Door sedan with 95K miles for $3750.
> I've been looking to buy a Toyota/Honda for under $5000 and ran across this.
> But, I'm totally Volvo illiterate. Is this a good model and year? Are Volvos
> reliable? The car has only had one owner and seems to be well-taken care
> of -- can I get the same mileage out of a Volvo as I could a Honda or
> Toyota? Chime in, anyone, please!

I've owned my 95 854T since new, and it now has 85,000 mi on it.  

Notable repairs have included:
- disks replaced twice (normal -- they're a "consumable part")
- evaporator replaced
- CV boots replaced (I consider this normal for an 11 year old car
- battery replaced twice
- other normal service (timing belt, brake pads, etc.)

Notably, the exhaust system is original and so far, no problems.

It has been serviced by Volvo dealers since new whenever the mileage has
required it.  (Dealers want you to come in every 6 months max, but in my
case that has only been every ~ 3800 mi.)  Service is more expensive
than, say, my wife's Honda.  But if it's done right, I am willing to pay
for it.

The car has stranded me once -- when the battery died in rush hour
traffic on the way to an important meeting.  I blame the dealer -- they
had checked "battery inspected" on every service, but the battery
terminal clamp was corroded clean through!  The previous service was 2
WEEKS PREVIOUSLY!  If you're from the Vancouver area, that was North
Shore Volvo.

In my experience, there's a big difference among dealers. The one I go
to now fixes everything RIGHT the first time.  I have never had to take
the car back when something wasn't done.  The previous dealer was
terrible, and the car had to go back for remedial work within a week of
nearly every service.  The service personnel came from another Volvo
dealer for which Volvo Canada eventually pulled the dealer's franchise
based on letters from me and many other unhappy Volvo owners.

On my most recent service, the dealer gave me a near-new V50 as a
loaner.  It was an interesting drive -- tight, quiet, nimble,
comfortable -- I was quite impressed given that it's a smaller car than
the 850.  But when I picked up my car after the service was complete, I
was amazed at how tight the 11-year old 850 felt after putting ~ 100 mi.
on a new car.  The 850 feels like it has lots of life left in it.  

Rick
Doug Warner - 22 Nov 2005 22:49 GMT
>On my most recent service, the dealer gave me a near-new V50 as a
>loaner.  It was an interesting drive -- tight, quiet, nimble,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Rick

I took a long test drive in a V50 T5 a while back,  Nice, and would
have seriously considered it if it weren't for the issue unavailable
service manuals and fault code docs..   (Owners can't buy this stuff
any more)

I'll may go for an Audi next, or if Mitsubishi brings in their
Evolution wagon, I may consider it as well.  
The worst problem with my 850 now is that it burns a quart of oil in
around 3000 miles..
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LAS - 03 Mar 2006 20:28 GMT
> I just ran across a 1995 Volvo 850 4 Door sedan with 95K miles for
> $3750. I've been looking to buy a Toyota/Honda for under $5000 and ran
> across this. But, I'm totally Volvo illiterate. Is this a good model
> and year? Are Volvos reliable? The car has only had one owner and
> seems to be well-taken care of -- can I get the same mileage out of a
> Volvo as I could a Honda or Toyota? Chime in, anyone, please!

Daniel,
I just lost my '94 850T in a freeway "sandwich"; rear-ended at 50 MPH,
while stopped -  forced into car in front. Bumps and bruises, but wife
and I both opened our car doors and got out. All electrics still work
work and the car runs (after blowing out the muffler due to a crushed
tail pipe). The car had 102K on it, Ran sweet always, but was properly
maintained (real important!) Anyway, now with estimated repairs pegged
at over $11,000 and extensive unibody damage, its a write off, and I'm
real sad.

My advice? Buy the car, it might save your life.

Larry
 
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