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I've wondered for a long time why anybody would buy a Volvo. They're ugly, though recent models are a little less so, and built like a brick. They also affect the minds of fairly normal (I said fairly) who are turned into that dangerous and stupid road beast, the Volvo driver, something rather like a rhino, short-sighted, aggressive and only able to move in straight lines, usually fairly slowly. The only excuse that I've heard is that, being built like a brick sh.t-house Volvo drivers can keep their sprogs uncrushed despite their bad driving. It turns out that I was wrong. Apparently the back seats of revolves are the most comfortable mobile bonk locations. I'm not sure if Rolls Royces and Winnebagos were included in the survey, and I'm surprised that jags don't feature as their seats are quite squishy, but it is probably the sheer width that gives them the edge - or maybe those funny barred headrests give a good purchase. I'm not sure, the article said that they were best, not exactly why. What's odd is that revolves tend to be driven by middle-aged wage-slave types who can, presumably, bonk at home. When have they had the opportunity or inclination to find out enough to fill in the survey? If anything, I'd have expected them to carry out adulterous limbo dancing in the bog at the local Sainsbury's or in their shed on the allotment. Or could it be that the sprogs, protected from crushing over all these years in their brick on wheels are forced to rebel when teenagers borrowing the car? It would make sense, I suppose. Peter H.M.Brooks wrote [all over the place] : > I've wondered for a long time why anybody would buy a Volvo. I had an accident in someone else's volvo once (my fault) and would have prolly died it it hadn't been built like the tank it was, I said at the time that I'd buy one, I never have > They're > ugly, though recent models are a little less so, I keep seeing the odd one or two on the road that look "ok", byut whenever I consider buying cars, I can never work out which model I'd though might be "ok" after all. > Peter H.M.Brooks wrote [all over the place] : > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > prolly died it it hadn't been built like the tank it was, I said at the > time that I'd buy one, I never have Very wise, why buy cars so that you can accidents in them? >> They're >> ugly, though recent models are a little less so, > > I keep seeing the odd one or two on the road that look "ok", byut > whenever I consider buying cars, I can never work out which model I'd > though might be "ok" after all. Saab also makes cars that look slightly less ugly these days, as do Citroen. This is a curious thing as aesthetics has generally taken a bit of a dive the past couple of decades. >> Peter H.M.Brooks wrote [all over the place] : >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Citroen. This is a curious thing as aesthetics has generally taken a > bit of a dive the past couple of decades. I suspect that South Africans just had very little exposure to any new models until recently, due to sanctions. When I got to Australia I was amazed at the car models that had never even made it to my radar!  Signaturegilleebee *go with the flow* ;-) >>> Peter H.M.Brooks wrote [all over the place] : >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > When I got to Australia I was amazed at the car models that had never even > made it to my radar! I don't think so - I saw less ugly models starting to develop back when I was living in Pom. > I suspect that South Africans just had very little exposure to any new > models until recently, due to sanctions. OH!! So now we backward are we ?????????????? > When I got to Australia I was amazed at the car models that had never even > made it to my radar! Like aus is *such* an advanced country .. human right records just continue to amaze, huh? **PLONK** >> I suspect that South Africans just had very little exposure to any new >> models until recently, due to sanctions. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > continue > to amaze, huh? Regardless of how backwards the Aussies are, SA does have a limited range of cars. It's changed a heck of a lot post-apartheid, but the range is still small compared to the UK. I've just bought a VW Touran and had a look at the UK website to compare prices and was amazed at the extra types of the models they had, never mind the additional models that we've never seen. I'd bet you'd find it's the same with most, if not all of the manufacturers. Spizz SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> I suspect that South Africans just had very little exposure to any new >>> models until recently, due to sanctions. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I'd bet you'd find it's the same with most, if not all of the manufacturers. I'm hoping that this isn't true of colour laser printers - Samsung have just come out with a brilliant, and cheap, model that I just have to have - I've been looking for one for a while now and most are just too expensive. > I'm hoping that this isn't true of colour laser printers - Samsung > have just come out with a brilliant, and cheap, model that I just have > to have - I've been looking for one for a while now and most are just > too expensive. B&W lasers have been disposable-cheap for a number of years, and colours have also got to damn near that level now. A quick glance at just one of the "usual suspects" shows a wide choice in the 150-200 quid range, with all the reputable brands in there. > > I'm hoping that this isn't true of colour laser printers - Samsung > > have just come out with a brilliant, and cheap, model that I just have [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > A quick glance at just one of the "usual suspects" shows a wide choice in > the 150-200 quid range, with all the reputable brands in there. I think we have a way to go before cheap colour lasers are worth buying. At the moment, there's loads of cheap models on the market, but re-filling them costs more than the printer cost originally. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >> A quick glance at just one of the "usual suspects" shows a wide >> choice in the 150-200 quid range, with all the reputable brands in >> there. Ooops. Those prices are ex Vat. Add 17.5%. > I think we have a way to go before cheap colour lasers are worth > buying. > > At the moment, there's loads of cheap models on the market, but > re-filling them costs more than the printer cost originally. And this differs from colour inkjets how...? > > I think we have a way to go before cheap colour lasers are worth > > buying. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And this differs from colour inkjets how...? Only if you buy Lexmark.... SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >> > At the moment, there's loads of cheap models on the market, but >> > re-filling them costs more than the printer cost originally. >> And this differs from colour inkjets how...? > Only if you buy Lexmark.... People *buy* Lexmark inkjets...? I thought they were just *given* the damn things as a "free bonus" for buying something else... <thinks> That business model reminds me of a different trade... > >> A quick glance at just one of the "usual suspects" shows a wide > >> choice in the 150-200 quid range, with all the reputable brands in [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > And this differs from colour inkjets how...? Quite simple, really. With an inkjet you're likely to pay much more than the price of the printer over three years in cartridges. With a colour laser printer you're likely to pay the price of the printer in toner over about five years. OK, all this depends on usage. However, you're going to pay much, much more, whatever your usage, per page, for an inkjet than for a laserjet. If your printing extends to 100 pages a year, you'll lose out on the inkjet because it will dry out from under use (this doesn't happen with lasers because the toner is dry). If you print 1000+ pages a year then you'll win becuase you'll have to change a cartridge every four years - with an inkjet you'll have to change it ten times a year. The cartridge will cost you $40 a throw for an inkjet, but $100 for the laser printer - look at the print output and the calculations are obvious. Inkjet printers are a supreme rip-off. > all. >> > Saab also makes cars that look slightly less ugly these days, as do > Citroen. This is a curious thing as aesthetics has generally taken a bit > of a dive the past couple of decades. Ugly would be a generous term - they're just non-descript boxes..... At least Saab and Citroen made cars with curves and aerodynamics, something ovlov never did.... the DS and CX were great looking cars. BTW have you seen the new Saab 9-5? That front end treatment....hideous.... >> all. >> Saab also makes cars that look slightly less ugly these days, as do >> Citroen. This is a curious thing as aesthetics has generally taken a bit >> of a dive the past couple of decades. > > Ugly would be a generous term - they're just non-descript boxes..... Yes, I agree, ugly was generous - hideous was more accurate, but I was trying to be kind. On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 11:48:36 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet.oct2006@adslpipe.co.uk> brought a sputtering torch to the cave wall and scrawled: >Peter H.M.Brooks wrote [all over the place] : > >> I've wondered for a long time why anybody would buy a Volvo. > >I had an accident in someone else's volvo once (my fault) and would have >prolly died it it hadn't been built like the tank it was, Ditto MTAAW - apart from the 'someone else's '.....Ah, the A405 between St Albans and Hatfield, visiting the Aged P's laden with Chrissy prezzies....a dark and dismal night....70 mph on a recently re-surfaced road...the graceful fishtail coming OUT of the bend at the bottom of the hill and Bu Fuvg...that's what happens when you hit a kerb obliquely ?...hmmm...aerodynamics are interesting...hello, car on it's side eh ?...I know, let's climb out of this handily placed drivers window....What? no i'm fine thank you...this ambulance ? Okay...ah...so you'll be coming to Casualty too Officer?....what, you mean the EXACT place I came off the road?....and it was a brand new Rover cruiser yours then?....rolled into you ?....and he's?....ah...a Peugeot 205 - yes they ARE a bit of a tin snail really......mmm, broken pelvis?....ouch....BTW, these yoghurts were in my glove compartment...No, they're untouched seemingly....Vanilla for you? Roger ( Boodly Insurers insisted it was a write-off even so...onfgneqf...) \\ <|:-) Helga? Damn,it's been a long time -lookin'GOOD! // > It turns out that I was wrong. Apparently the back seats of revolves are > the most comfortable mobile bonk locations. I don't believe it. I just don't. I've had a ride (no, Frank) in a VW camper van, and that would have been emminently suitable. And have camped out in a bench-seated transit that would have commended itself too. My own amourous experiences were confined to a few preliminaries in an MG midget, which would never in a million years have permitted a conclusion. I owned an austin A35 van, which a friend of mine borrowed for marital olympics and succeeded in damaging his back sufficiently to require a hospital visit. See the shedde, some years ago, for details. The message <1160136106.525623.241120@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> from robertharvey@my-deja.com contains these words: > My own amourous experiences were confined to a few preliminaries in an > MG midget, which would never in a million years have permitted a > conclusion. Do not, under any circumstances, allow the young lady to become so distracted that she presses on the top corners of the windscreen with her feet. At least, not on a Fiat 127 which like its contemporaries didn't have the screen glued in. SignatureSkipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. > The message <1160136106.525623.241120@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> > from robertharvey@my-deja.com contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > her feet. At least, not on a Fiat 127 which like its contemporaries > didn't have the screen glued in. Is there something you would like to share with us Guy? SignatureMalc The message <1160138611.273519.98700@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> from "Malc" <malcolm.white@ubht.swest.nhs.uk> contains these words: > > Do not, under any circumstances, allow the young lady to become so > > distracted that she presses on the top corners of the windscreen with > > her feet. At least, not on a Fiat 127 which like its contemporaries > > didn't have the screen glued in. > > > Is there something you would like to share with us Guy? Just that it leads to a very draughty drive home and some tricky explanations. SignatureSkipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. > The message <1160138611.273519.98700@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> > from "Malc" <malcolm.white@ubht.swest.nhs.uk> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Just that it leads to a very draughty drive home and some tricky > explanations. Excellent !!! I'm most impressed. :-) SignatureTunku "end user" v. A command regrettably not implemented in most systems. The message <Xns9854E77489674stuartggraydslpipexc@216.196.109.145> from Tunku <stuartggray-nospam@dsl.pipex.com> contains these words: > >> > Do not, under any circumstances, allow the young lady to become so > >> > distracted that she presses on the top corners of the windscreen [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Just that it leads to a very draughty drive home and some tricky > > explanations. > Excellent !!! I'm most impressed. :-) I wasn't impressed with getting it back in the next day. Loads of lubricant all over the rubber and several sets of hands helping and it was still a tight fit. Shoving a screwdriver in the crack and waggling it around gently to ease the lips over it wasn't ideal, and the old trick of using string was OK except the string kept falling out. Putting the screen back wasn't easy, either. SignatureSkipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. > T > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Putting the screen back wasn't easy, either. Well, it seems that Volvo owners aren't slow in all departments. If string isn't working for you, there is always the electric bunny. >The message <1160136106.525623.241120@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> >from robertharvey@my-deja.com contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >her feet. At least, not on a Fiat 127 which like its contemporaries >didn't have the screen glued in. hehe. Do I detect the voice of experience? Apparently, a mate of mine's mother questioned the footprints on the headlining. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "Would to God that we might spend a single day really well!" Thomas À Kempis (1380 - 1471) Imitation of Christ, I.xxiii. > > It turns out that I was wrong. Apparently the back seats of revolves are > > the most comfortable mobile bonk locations. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > for marital olympics and succeeded in damaging his back sufficiently to > require a hospital visit. See the shedde, some years ago, for details. I'm just quoting a new story: " Volvo Estate Is Britain's "Sexiest" Car October 5, 2006 7:00 p.m. EST Komfie Manalo - All Headline News Foreign Correspondent London, England (AHN) - Thanks to its extra space, the wide-bodied but boring-looking Volvo Estate has been voted as the best car for having sex in the back seat by British car owners. According to a survey, the car has seen more action than any other. The multi-purpose Mercedes Benz Sprinter Van came in second place. The survey, which was conducted by yesinsurance.co.uk polled over 4,000 people and placed the VW Camper van in third, the BMW 3 Series Saloon in fourth and the Ford Escort in fifth. The result of the survey showed that at least 68 percent of those polled said they have had sex in a car and one in 10 say they had did it while driving. Another six per cent claimed they had damaged their vehicles while getting busy - but only one in 100 of these were bold enough to claim on their insurance. A spokesman for the yesinsurance.co.uk said, "It would seem that space is the most important issue for couples who want to enjoy themselves." " Do you have something useful to say or are you just trolling? You really should find some meaning in your life. When your last day comes you may look back and say, "I wasted the gift." > When your last day comes you may look > back and say, "I wasted the gift." I'm not quite sure about this, but that rather sounds like the sentiment of a Volvo driver. That isn't, by the way, a gift that you've wasted, it's another road user! > Do you have something useful to say or are you just trolling? You > really should find some meaning in your life. When your last day > comes you may look back and say, "I wasted the gift." Who are you responding to? Please quote enough of the post you're responding to to give readers some context. > > Do you have something useful to say or are you just trolling? You > > really should find some meaning in your life. When your last day > > comes you may look back and say, "I wasted the gift." > > Who are you responding to? Please quote enough of the post you're responding > to to give readers some context. I agree - it'd be more useful if he explained that he was unhappy with the quality of the bonk in a Volvo backseat and had a better model car to suggest. Not that I personally am looking for a bonk-mobile, but, for those reading this who are, that would, at least explain why they'd regret this wasted gift on their last day on earth - I can't imagine anybody bleak enough to spend their last day on earth worrying about that, but there's none so queer as folks. Troll. Get in your Shit-vet and go to the 24 hour liquor store to buy your cheap Chianti. Then you can laze on your Barka-lounger, mow down on twinkies and watch Regis and whoever... Jordan 1999 S70 Loaded! > I've wondered for a long time why anybody would buy a Volvo. They're > ugly, though recent models are a little less so, and built like a brick. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > years in their brick on wheels are forced to rebel when teenagers > borrowing the car? It would make sense, I suppose. You can't say that I'm not fair! Here's an article, from the Telegraph, suggesting that BMW drivers are even worse. I'm not sure if this is because potential or actual Volvo drivers have switched to BMWs, or if it is a quite different phenomenon - maybe BMWs are now safer, uglier and more brick-like than Volvos. " 'The worst drivers own BMWs' By David Millward, Transport Correspondent (Filed: 06/10/2006) BMW owners have been named as the worst drivers in Britain in a poll of more than 5,000 motorists. The survey showed that the image of the BMW driver has not changed since they came to symbolise the brash winners of the boom-bust economy of the 1980s. "They seem to be unable to use signals, expecting others on the road to have psychic powers," said Ian Vince, co-author of The Myway Code, who organised the survey. advertisement "We were really surprised that BMW drivers got so many votes. We expected Chelsea Tractors and 'White Van Man' to come in higher. "The BMW is a smug car and perhaps there is some envy towards the drivers from those of us in our Fiestas." Those who drive 4x4s drew the ire of just over a third of the number who nominated BMW drivers, while "white van" drivers came in third. Mr Vince added: "BMWs are solidly and beautifully built cars and, as a result, their drivers seem detached from the rest of the world. "They seem to be insulated by all this teutonic engineering. It is like travelling in a womb." " The message <1160149629.644459.33510@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> from "Peter H.M. Brooks" <Peter.H.M.Brooks@gmail.com> contains these words: > BMW owners have been named as the worst drivers in Britain in a poll of > more than 5,000 motorists. Of course, just 'cos people /see/ them as the worst drivers doesn't mean they are. Though I find some BMW drivers irritating I find Corsa drivers with the thumpetty-thumpetty-bangy-crash sounds systems worse. SignatureSkipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. > The message <1160149629.644459.33510@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> > from "Peter H.M. Brooks" <Peter.H.M.Brooks@gmail.com> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > they are. Though I find some BMW drivers irritating I find Corsa drivers > with the thumpetty-thumpetty-bangy-crash sounds systems worse. Oh, that's quite right. Volvo drivers might be very safe. They might, however, cause increased blood pressure and consequent death in many other road users. I'd imagine that they'd thing that fun. Given the personality profile, we might consider how well a Volvo boot does as a carrying place for the corpse of the Volvo driver's wife or husband. Any personal experiences to report? >I've wondered for a long time why anybody would buy a Volvo. They're >ugly, though recent models are a little less so, and built like a brick. >They also affect the minds of fairly normal (I said fairly) who are >turned into that dangerous and stupid road beast, the Volvo driver, >something rather like a rhino, short-sighted, aggressive and only able >to move in straight lines, usually fairly slowly. It's been many years since I drove a Volvo, but when I did none of those criteria applied. It was simply the fastest saloon car on the road, and outperformed a lot of sports cars. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa http://people.tribe.net/hayesstw E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk > >I've wondered for a long time why anybody would buy a Volvo. They're > >ugly, though recent models are a little less so, and built like a brick. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > criteria applied. It was simply the fastest saloon car on the road, and > outperformed a lot of sports cars. 'outperformed' in the technical sense, presumably, Volvos have no descernable aesthetic or emotional connection to sports cars that I can detect. You wrote: > It was simply the fastest saloon car on the road, and >> outperformed a lot of sports cars. >> > 'outperformed' in the technical sense, presumably, By what other "sense" is performance measured? Its true, Peter. The Volvos hate you and have been trying for years to take you down. You are wise to invest your energy in fighting this Nordic menace. Kick the radiator first, its the Achille's Heel of these cold blooded Swedish bastards. Godspeed and good luck to you. ------------------------ > 'outperformed' in the technical sense, presumably, Volvos have no > descernable aesthetic or emotional connection to sports cars that I can > detect. > Its true, Peter. The Volvos hate you and have been trying for years to > take you down. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Godspeed and good luck to you. Thank you! I'll bear you good advice in mind. Its true, Peter. The Volvos hate you and have been trying for years to take you down. You are wise to invest your energy in fighting this Nordic menace. Kick the radiator first, its the Achille's Heel of these cold blooded Swedish bastards. Godspeed and good luck to you. > 'outperformed' in the technical sense, presumably, Volvos have no > descernable aesthetic or emotional connection to sports cars that I can > detect. >> >I've wondered for a long time why anybody would buy a Volvo. They're >> >ugly, though recent models are a little less so, and built like a brick. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > descernable aesthetic or emotional connection to sports cars that I can > detect. What about the 850R BTCC Racer? I guess Steve would be talking about the road going version of that. I use my Volvo for road rallying and have now owned 3 of them. People like you make it even more amusing to use them in this way! > I use my Volvo for road rallying and have now owned 3 of them. People like > you make it even more amusing to use them in this way! Well, that's nice for you, dear. > I use my Volvo for road rallying and have now owned 3 of them. People like > you make it even more amusing to use them in this way! I wonder, just a little bit you understand, quite how this is relevant to bonking in a Volvo, or any other car. Do you find t hat the girlies warm to the idea of bonking on a rally? Rallys seem to me quite a boy's thing, dirty, bumpy, tedious, competitive and ultimately utterly pointless. Just the sort of thing that girlies, sensibly avoid. Come clean. How many girls have wanted to bonk boys in the back of their rally cars? I'm not really expecting honesty in your reply, but, note, I'm leaving it open to friends of yours that might have reported having friends that knew rally drivers who got a bonk in their cars. Of course I know that there are some girl rally drivers, at least those of the feminine sex clinically, who rally cars. Good luck to them. If there are any of them here they might have a view as to how often they've felt moved to bonk in a rally car - or, more implausibly, in a Volvo. We do have to look at the full picture, after all... >> I use my Volvo for road rallying and have now owned 3 of them. People >> like [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > thing, dirty, bumpy, tedious, competitive and ultimately utterly > pointless. Just the sort of thing that girlies, sensibly avoid. Perhaps if you quoted to what I was actually replying to it would be a bit clearer. > Come clean. How many girls have wanted to bonk boys in the back of > their rally cars? I'm not really expecting honesty in your reply, but, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > We do have to look at the full picture, after all... Actually my navigator is female and is quite fit. And TBH during an event I've got far better things to think about than getting my end away in the back of the car! You seem obsessed with 'bonking'. Are you perhaps a 29 year old virgin that still lives with his mum and spends his time making online friends rather than actually stepping out of the house to intereact with 'real' people? Or maybe just a 16 year old boy with his hormones going crazy? Whatever the backseat-boink factor is, my 240 turbo is the best car to speed in. Besides the fact that most self-respecting highway patrol officers won't even bother to clock you in a volvo, it is just too easy to get someone else to go faster than you while driving on the freeway. All of this is totally dependent on the fact that 95% of volvo drivers do the speed limit. Consequently, most of the driving population is trained to pass volvos whenever they see one. Even if you pass someone, they will instantly think "I need to speed up if that volvo is going by me" and you can usually get a couple of decoys to fend off the radar and always drive ahead of you no matter what speed you want to go. This theory also holds for the 2.0L FI volkswagen busses from the late 70's. "Peter H.M. Brooks" <Peter.H.M.Brooks@gmail.com> wrote in message > Of course I know that there are some girl rally drivers, at least those > of the feminine sex clinically, who rally cars. Good luck to them. If > there are any of them here they might have a view as to how often > they've felt moved to bonk in a rally car - or, more implausibly, in a > Volvo. I had a "gentleman caller" who drove a Volvo. I point out that I never felt inclined to bonk in it. But it was a very comfortable vehicle from the passenger point of view. -- Moira de Swardt posting from Johannesburg, South Africa Remove the dot in my address to find me at home. > "Peter H.M. Brooks" <Peter.H.M.Brooks@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > never felt inclined to bonk in it. But it was a very comfortable > vehicle from the passenger point of view. It's always seemed a strange thing to want to do in cars - sleeping in cars is also a strange thing to want to do and generally not a good way to get a restful night. > [S]leeping in > cars is also a strange thing to want to do and generally not a good way > to get a restful night. It is often far better than the alternatives. Think "6,000 mile road trip, $200 to your name." >> [S]leeping in >> cars is also a strange thing to want to do and generally not a good way >> to get a restful night. > > It is often far better than the alternatives. Think [of a] "6,000 mile road > trip, $200 to your name." I assume you left out the 'of a' by accident'. If you have a car and need to travel six thousand miles but only have a small sum of money, one option would be to sell the car and travel in comfort on a train. The other would be to spend the money on a tent, which would be much more comfortable. If the weather is clement, a sleeping bag outside would be nicer, even without the tent. >>> [S]leeping in >>> cars is also a strange thing to want to do and generally not a good >>> way to get a restful night. >> It is often far better than the alternatives. Think [of a] "6,000 >> mile road trip, $200 to your name." > I assume you left out the 'of a' by accident'. > > If you have a car and need to travel six thousand miles but only have > a small sum of money, one option would be to sell the car and travel > in comfort on a train. Sod that. www.easyjet.com >>> >I've wondered for a long time why anybody would buy a Volvo. They're >>> >ugly, though recent models are a little less so, and built like a brick. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >What about the 850R BTCC Racer? I guess Steve would be talking about the >road going version of that. Actually I was talking about the 544 Sport -- 1947 American styling, vinyl upholstery, rubber floor mats, creeping death speedometer, single-cam pushrod overhead valves, but it could go like a bat out of hell. The one I compared the road tests with (see other message) was the straight 544, which made it even more remarkable. It differed from the Sport in having a single carb and a 3-speed gearbox. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa http://people.tribe.net/hayesstw E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk >>>> On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:09:11 +0200, "Peter H.M.Brooks" >>>> <peter@new.co.za> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > pushrod > overhead valves, but it could go like a bat out of hell. Ah, when you said 'many years', you meant quite a few! :) >> It's been many years since I drove a Volvo, but when I did none of those >> criteria applied. It was simply the fastest saloon car on the road, and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >descernable aesthetic or emotional connection to sports cars that I can >detect. That was the whole point. I once devised a complicated formula to calculate the best car to buy from road tests in a motoring magazine - the lowest price, the highest top speed, the best acceleration, the best fuel economy etc. I was quite surprised to find that the Volvo came top -- its styling was at least 10 years out of date. Then a friend gave me a drive in his father's Volvo, along the old Johannesburg-Pretoria road, going down the hill from Buccleuch at over 120 miles an hour, changed into 3rd gear at the bottom and went up the othetr side at over 90, at which point the Austin Healey sports car (with a much bigger engine) that had been trying to catch us got left way behind. That taught me not to judge be external appearance. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa http://people.tribe.net/hayesstw E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk > >I've wondered for a long time why anybody would buy a Volvo. They're > >ugly, though recent models are a little less so, and built like a brick. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > criteria applied. It was simply the fastest saloon car on the road, and > outperformed a lot of sports cars. That was the 850TR, 'faster than a Porsche between 3rd and 4th gear' was the gist of the ads in those days IIRC. My ex has had her 850 station wagon for 14 years, still drives it occasionally. Beautiful car, aged better than its owner did. Jon Signatureremove the c in austrobock to email me Apparently the back seats of revolves are > the most comfortable mobile bonk locations. My Volvo (FH12-460) has got a bed in it. And a built-in fridge to keep the champagne cool. SignatureRegards, Vince. www.TruckDrivingInRussia.co.uk Whenever I come across an argumentative post full of overstatements like this one I'm tempted to respond. But I usually catch myself and re-read the excellent description of Internet Trolls on Wikipedia. This individual manages to hit at least four categories. And he apparently enjoys re-reading himself in print because he cross-posts to all manner of marginally related boards. > I've wondered for a long time why anybody would buy a Volvo. They're > ugly, though recent models are a little less so, and built like a brick. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > years in their brick on wheels are forced to rebel when teenagers > borrowing the car? It would make sense, I suppose. "Peter H.M.Brooks" <peter@new.co.za> wrote in news:eg4vem$ha6$1@ctb- nnrp2.saix.net: > I've wondered for a long time why anybody would buy a Volvo. They're > ugly, though recent models are a little less so, and built like a brick. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > years in their brick on wheels are forced to rebel when teenagers > borrowing the car? It would make sense, I suppose. Ever since my wife managed to roll my Volvo 240 estate, and she and all 3 sprogs and her mother, who were aboard, all walked out without a scratch, I've bought Volvo. Since said sprogs have grown up and I can no longer afford Volvos, I drive a diesel Cit ZX and a Pug 205. I don't feel nearly as safe as I did when I had my beloved Volvos. Plus my back aches after a long drive, something that never happened in the Volvo. I've never tried screwing in the 3 740's I've had, as the kids would probably have been a bit scarred by the experience, not to mention the MIL. SignatureTunku "end user" v. A command regrettably not implemented in most systems. -Yhey do handle very well, is just enought to have one and be sure of what I´m talking about -Long service life -They do look great, not in need to have a burble shape, an asleep chinesse face, or such kind of strange things -Break is not a bad concept: you can buid up many things based on one of them (family, future, savings, personality, etc.), I won´´t never be staisfy inside a ridiculous shaped car such a Ford Contour, Toyota Yaris or Citroen C4, not to say a "crab face" Mazda 6. -Is for protecting ourselves and family from some maniatics driving, drunked or not drunked -I sold three monthso an 86 740 Turbo Intercooler with 215.127miles on it, and withou any important problem in engine, shifting box, etc-, and was still able to reach 125MPH. -Someones like to change year to year the car (loosing each year the 25% of the new car, if it is a new car, or wasting lots of money in up-dating maintanence), Volvo owners do it once each 5 or ten years, may be more -Some of the Volvo owners have other cars, and it let us compare with a greet point of view. -Finally: If we decide to have a car is just because its shape, safety and performances makes us happy, no matter if there are fashion people, new car sellers, etc., that does´t share our point view. At the end, is our sacred right to do what we preffer without need to get the agreement of thoose who are not part of our family or aren´t giving us the money for the buying or maintanence of one lovely Volvo. Best regards > I've wondered for a long time why anybody would buy a Volvo. They're > ugly, though recent models are a little less so, and built like a brick. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > years in their brick on wheels are forced to rebel when teenagers > borrowing the car? It would make sense, I suppose. DO NOT TOP-POST! WHY NOT??????????????? IT'S AS READABLE AS BOTTOM POSTS. > DO NOT TOP-POST! IF YOU ARE HAVING PROBLEMS FOLLOWING THE THREAD THEN YOU NEED TO GET AN UP-TO-DATE READER. OR JUST USE GOOGLE GROUPS SOFTWARE. ISN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT NO > WHY NOT??????????????? > IT'S AS READABLE AS BOTTOM POSTS. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > IF YOU ARE HAVING PROBLEMS FOLLOWING THE THREAD THEN YOU NEED TO GET > AN UP-TO-DATE READER. OR JUST USE GOOGLE GROUPS SOFTWARE. IT BEING......????? > ISN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > IT [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > IF YOU ARE HAVING PROBLEMS FOLLOWING THE THREAD THEN YOU NEED TO GET > > AN UP-TO-DATE READER. OR JUST USE GOOGLE GROUPS SOFTWARE. PRECISELY!!!! See the correct location for the definition. > IT BEING......????? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> > IF YOU ARE HAVING PROBLEMS FOLLOWING THE THREAD THEN YOU NEED TO >> > GET AN UP-TO-DATE READER. OR JUST USE GOOGLE GROUPS SOFTWARE. "it" being 'top posting' - the subject of this subthread. When people start top posting in a bottom posting group, contrary to the RFCs, group and Usenet conventions, it gets difficult to follow the flow of the threads. Which is why you didn't know what 'it' was. If you want to top-post, go and play in the noobie top posting microsoft.*.* groups. >WHY NOT??????????????? >IT'S AS READABLE AS BOTTOM POSTS. Stop shouting. >> DO NOT TOP-POST! > >IF YOU ARE HAVING PROBLEMS FOLLOWING THE THREAD THEN YOU NEED TO GET AN >UP-TO-DATE READER. OR JUST USE GOOGLE GROUPS SOFTWARE. Christ, no, not googlegroups. Come back when you've read something about Usenet etiquette. SignatureI am careful and logical and I look things up I don't understand! When I hear people use the wrong words I get edgy! I am good with cheese. I read books fast. I /think/! And I always have a piece of string. That's the kind of person I am! (Pratchett, Wee Free Men) And the Volvo ? >> WHY NOT??????????????? >> IT'S AS READABLE AS BOTTOM POSTS. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Christ, no, not googlegroups. Come back when you've read something > about Usenet etiquette. > And the Volvo ? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> Christ, no, not googlegroups. Come back when you've read something >> about Usenet etiquette. hhmm made me think about outlook express, after all of these years you would have thought that microsoft would make it so that the sig and reply would be at the bottom of the post automatically. >> And the Volvo ? >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >hhmm made me think about outlook express, >after all of these years you would have thought that microsoft would make it so that the sig and reply would be at the bottom of the post automatically. Really? Cravens, I never thought I'd see the day. Now they have to sort of the gazillion other things that are wrong too, though. SignatureWe're climbing up the sunshine mountains Where the pretty brezes blow We're climbing up the sunshine mountains Faces all a-glow >> And the Volvo ? >>> Christ, no, not googlegroups. Come back when you've read something >>> about Usenet etiquette. > >hhmm made me think about outlook express, >after all of these years you would have thought that microsoft would make it so that the sig and reply would be at the bottom of the post automatically. And line wrap. SignatureI am careful and logical and I look things up I don't understand! When I hear people use the wrong words I get edgy! I am good with cheese. I read books fast. I /think/! And I always have a piece of string. That's the kind of person I am! (Pratchett, Wee Free Men) > hhmm made me think about outlook express, > after all of these years you would have thought that microsoft would make it so that the sig and reply would be at the bottom of the post automatically. Not just express. My employer, a multinational who appears to think Bill Gates is the pope and all known rock starts rolled into one, makes us use big grown up outlook, and EVERYONE in the organisation top posts, 'cos if you don't it puts your name in lots of coloured brackets all over the place. I loathe top posting, and I loate Outlook even more. And every PDA manufacturer seems to think you want to synchronise with it. I loate that too. Bill Gates is the Antichrist, you know. The message <hf4Wg.6440$xD6.239@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net> from "Tom" <werty@tpamy.com> contains these words: > And the Volvo ? No Volvo driver would ever be so rude as to top post in all caps and suggest using Google groups. SignatureSkipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. OH YES I WOULD!!! I OWN A 1998 V40 2.0i & IT'S KEWL!!! GOOGLE ROCKS 2 M8 >The message <hf4Wg.6440$xD6.239@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net> >from "Tom" <werty@tpamy.com> contains these words: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >No Volvo driver would ever be so rude as to top post in all caps and >suggest using Google groups. SignatureRoger Hunt Refuses to take responsibility for the cross-post, or anything else. > OH YES I WOULD!!! I OWN A 1998 V40 2.0i & IT'S KEWL!!! > GOOGLE ROCKS 2 M8 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>No Volvo driver would ever be so rude as to top post in all caps and >>suggest using Google groups. A V40's a Mitsubishi built by the Dutch, so it doesn't count as a Volvo. <thinks> That's probably a good thing, though. >> OH YES I WOULD!!! I OWN A 1998 V40 2.0i & IT'S KEWL!!! >> GOOGLE ROCKS 2 M8 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >A V40's a Mitsubishi built by the Dutch, so it doesn't count as a Volvo. And I suspect the alarm system was by Lucas, the way it can behave. ><thinks> >That's probably a good thing, though. I must buy a hat to wear in the car ... SignatureRoger Hunt >A V40's a Mitsubishi built by the Dutch, so it doesn't count as a Volvo. How about Focus/Mazda3 based ones? SWMBO got a brand new V50 2.0 as a courtesy car yesterday when her MX5 went in for a service. She hated it. I didn't drive it, but from the passenger seat it felt slow, and considering how much body roll there was (and how stodgy she said it felt) it didn't ride particularly well. Bit of a poor show to start off with a Focus chassis and end up with something with both poor ride and handling. SignatureSteve Walker > >A V40's a Mitsubishi built by the Dutch, so it doesn't count as a Volvo. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with a Focus chassis and end up with something with both poor ride and > handling. Sounds like my experience of the C-Max, which is also new-Focus based. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # > >A V40's a Mitsubishi built by the Dutch, so it doesn't count as a Volvo. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with a Focus chassis and end up with something with both poor ride and > handling. What else would you expect going from a sporty roadster to a station wagon -- any station wagon? Rick >> >A V40's a Mitsubishi built by the Dutch, so it doesn't count as a Volvo. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> with a Focus chassis and end up with something with both poor ride and >> handling. >What else would you expect going from a sporty roadster to a station >wagon -- any station wagon? I expected it to be dog-slow and boring to drive. I didn't expect the ride to be so poor. Not that all estate cars are necessarily so (consider BMW and Subaru), but Volvo have their market to play to. I expected it to be dull, well made and comfortable. It actually only managed one out of three. SignatureSteve Walker >>A V40's a Mitsubishi built by the Dutch, so it doesn't count as a Volvo. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >with a Focus chassis and end up with something with both poor ride and >handling. sounds quite and achievement - the focus is reckoned to be among the better handling things in its class... SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "It is a characteristic of the human mind to hate the man one has injured" Tacitus (c.55 - c.117) Agricola, 45 >>>A V40's a Mitsubishi built by the Dutch, so it doesn't count as a Volvo. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >sounds quite and achievement - the focus is reckoned to be among the better >handling things in its class... Maybe so - but isn't the MX5 reckoned to be one of the best handing sports cars of all time? Maybe it's a bit unfair to compare a 4/5person family car to a dedicated 2seater highly rated sports car? (and Im not a Ford fan before someone asks where my loyalties lie!) >>sounds quite and achievement - the focus is reckoned to be among the >>better handling things in its class... > Maybe so - but isn't the MX5 reckoned to be one of the best handing > sports cars of all time? Mazda claim so... >>sounds quite and achievement - the focus is reckoned to be among the better >>handling things in its class... >Maybe so - but isn't the MX5 reckoned to be one of the best handing >sports cars of all time? Maybe it's a bit unfair to compare a >4/5person family car to a dedicated 2seater highly rated sports car? >(and Im not a Ford fan before someone asks where my loyalties lie!) The comparison wouldn't do the Volvo any favours, for sure. Point is, I didn't expect the Volvo to be any fun to drive. I did expect it to be more comfortable and better built than it was. SignatureSteve Walker >>>A V40's a Mitsubishi built by the Dutch, so it doesn't count as a Volvo. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >sounds quite and achievement - the focus is reckoned to be among the better >handling things in its class... Oops - I shd really read things properly! Further to the point who can expect a Volvo estate to compare to an MX5?? >>>>A V40's a Mitsubishi built by the Dutch, so it doesn't count as a Volvo. >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Oops - I shd really read things properly! Further to the point who > can expect a Volvo estate to compare to an MX5?? At the end of the day Ford has a hand in all of these cars mentioned. It uses Volvo engines in the hot Focus and has a 33.4% share of Mazda and wholly owns VCC. > >WHY NOT??????????????? > >IT'S AS READABLE AS BOTTOM POSTS. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > cheese. I read books fast. I /think/! And I always have a piece > of string. That's the kind of person I am! (Pratchett, Wee Free Men) i was responding in kind to some idiot who chose to write in all caps. >> >WHY NOT??????????????? >> >IT'S AS READABLE AS BOTTOM POSTS. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >i was responding in kind to some idiot who chose to write in all caps. Whereas I was responding to some idiot who can't spell and doesn't know how to trim posts. SignatureI am careful and logical and I look things up I don't understand! When I hear people use the wrong words I get edgy! I am good with cheese. I read books fast. I /think/! And I always have a piece of string. That's the kind of person I am! (Pratchett, Wee Free Men) |
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