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Driving 3 hours with a crack in the radiator?

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rolandrolandroland@gmail.com - 16 Nov 2006 00:19 GMT
The radiator in my 1994 940 has developed a crack in the plastic tank.
I'm currently out of town and need to drive about 3 hours to get home.
If I leave the radiator cap loose, and prevent excessive pressure from
building, can I limp the car home? I'll obviously bring LOTS of water
with me just in case. I've been driving the car around town with the
cap loose enough to relieve pressure, but tight enough to keep coolant
in. If anyone has any advice for me, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!
John Horner - 16 Nov 2006 00:41 GMT
> The radiator in my 1994 940 has developed a crack in the plastic tank.
> I'm currently out of town and need to drive about 3 hours to get home.
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> cap loose enough to relieve pressure, but tight enough to keep coolant
> in. If anyone has any advice for me, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

If you have time to let it cure you might try some of the dubious
plastic radiator epoxy as a short term thing along with a loose pressure
cap.   A better answer would be to put a new or good used radiator in
before the trip.  You really don't want to overheat and cause more damage.

John
rolandrolandroland@gmail.com - 16 Nov 2006 00:56 GMT
Thanks. I actually would rather try and drive home, because my buddy
works at a radiator shop and can fix it for cheap/free. I'm mostly
curious if keeping the cap loose and bringing lots of water would work,
and if there are any other measures I can take (short of replacing or
repairing the radiator) to help the car stay cool through the drive.

> > The radiator in my 1994 940 has developed a crack in the plastic tank.
> > I'm currently out of town and need to drive about 3 hours to get home.
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>
> John
Mr. V - 16 Nov 2006 03:25 GMT
> Thanks. I actually would rather try and drive home, because my buddy
> works at a radiator shop and can fix it for cheap/free. I'm mostly
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> >
> > John
don b - 03 Jan 2007 23:55 GMT
My 1995 940 non-turbo's radiator cracked and I was hoping to
replace it with a heavy duty full metal model like I did with
my beloved (and totaled) '87 740 turbo.

Does such an animal exist?
Is it worth it?

I don't trust some of the online sites that claim
one size fits all 940s when IPD's catalog says
that their heavy duty three row radiator for 940s
fits up to '93 only.
Plus I don't know a lot of these brands!

I live in the south East US. So it wouldn't hurt
to have the extra cooling capacity. But, at this
point I just need to get the car running properly!

Thanks for any help. The sooner the better.

don
John Horner - 04 Jan 2007 07:40 GMT
> My 1995 940 non-turbo's radiator cracked and I was hoping to
> replace it with a heavy duty full metal model like I did with
> my beloved (and totaled) '87 740 turbo.

In my experience the so called all metal heavy duty radiators are
shorter lived than some of the aluminum and plastic ones.  I suppose
that an advantage of the metal type is that they are more easily
repaired.  Since you got almost 12 years out of the factory radiator you
don't have a lot to be upset about IMO.

fcpgroton.com has several options for you and they are on the east
coast.  You might want to call and discuss the different ones with them:

http://www.fcpgroton.com/volvo700900heating.htm
~^ beancounter ~^ - 04 Jan 2007 17:08 GMT
bring some eggs on your trip...did anyone catch the
myth buster segement on raw eggs fixing leaks in
radaitors?...interesting....

> > My 1995 940 non-turbo's radiator cracked and I was hoping to
> > replace it with a heavy duty full metal model like I did with
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>
> http://www.fcpgroton.com/volvo700900heating.htm
don b. - 04 Jan 2007 20:59 GMT
I believe rolandrolandroland was on a trip home with a 1994 940 cracked
radiator.
I'm don in orlando with a 1995 that is thankfully close to home. No eggs
required!

I finally decided on the Nissen Aluminum and plastic.
From all reports it is a quality replacement product.

I was a bit surprised how much prices could vary from website to website!
I've gotten good service and prices from eEuroparts in CT. So I went
with them again.

says...

>bring some eggs on your trip...did anyone catch the
>myth buster segement on raw eggs fixing leaks in
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>>
>> http://www.fcpgroton.com/volvo700900heating.htm
Michael Pardee - 05 Jan 2007 01:49 GMT
> bring some eggs on your trip...did anyone catch the
> myth buster segement on raw eggs fixing leaks in
> radaitors?...interesting....

However, theirs was a puncture in the core. Cracks are normally in the
tanks; the only two I've dealt with were on the top of the radiator where
the egg wouldn't reach anyway. (Volvo 765T and Honda Accord)

Mike
Roadie - 05 Jan 2007 13:41 GMT
> > bring some eggs on your trip...did anyone catch the
> > myth buster segement on raw eggs fixing leaks in
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> tanks; the only two I've dealt with were on the top of the radiator where
> the egg wouldn't reach anyway. (Volvo 765T and Honda Accord)

Yes, the tanks are usually the part to go.  And the ones I've seen
developed a crack right where the inlet pipe protrudes from the tank.
A tight right-angle bend is a perfect place for a crack to start.

> Mike
~^ beancounter ~^ - 05 Jan 2007 13:45 GMT
yea, i used some of the "liquid metal" from auto zone and fixed
a crack near the top inlet pipe...it actually has lasted over a
year now....i was just going to replace the unit a week or two
later...but let ot slide.......this on a 93 940t...i guess i should
go ahead and swap out the unit b4 it pops some day.....

> > > bring some eggs on your trip...did anyone catch the
> > > myth buster segement on raw eggs fixing leaks in
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>
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Roadie - 05 Jan 2007 17:58 GMT
>From personal experience those things will seep very slightly for
months then suddenly let go with a gush of hot coolant all over the
road.

> yea, i used some of the "liquid metal" from auto zone and fixed
> a crack near the top inlet pipe...it actually has lasted over a
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Mr. V - 16 Nov 2006 03:25 GMT
Try duct tape.

Can't hurt.
James Sweet - 16 Nov 2006 08:22 GMT
> Thanks. I actually would rather try and drive home, because my buddy
> works at a radiator shop and can fix it for cheap/free. I'm mostly
> curious if keeping the cap loose and bringing lots of water would work,
> and if there are any other measures I can take (short of replacing or
> repairing the radiator) to help the car stay cool through the drive.

It only takes 10 minutes to replace a radiator, you the bulk of the cost
is in the part. You could pick up a new Nissens 3 row metal tank
radiator and install it yourself, all you need is a 10mm wrench and a
screwdriver, oh and if it's an automatic you need another wrench too to
do the cooling lines for the tranny. It's not a bad idea to replace the
hoses too while you're at it.
mjc<DELETETHIS>13 - 16 Nov 2006 10:06 GMT
>> Thanks. I actually would rather try and drive home, because my buddy
>> works at a radiator shop and can fix it for cheap/free. I'm mostly
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> do the cooling lines for the tranny. It's not a bad idea to replace the
> hoses too while you're at it.

   That's 10 minutes (maybe) if you've done the job before, and
are fast. For a first time job, average mechanic, figure the
better part of an hour, if the clamps come off ok.. But it's
still better than driving it spewing coolant.
~^ beancounter ~^ - 16 Nov 2006 14:11 GMT
"It only takes 10 minutes to replace a radiator"

more like 3 - 5 hrs on a 940......

> rolandrolandrol...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Thanks. I actually would rather try and drive home, because my buddy
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> do the cooling lines for the tranny. It's not a bad idea to replace the
> hoses too while you're at it.
James Sweet - 16 Nov 2006 19:05 GMT
> "It only takes 10 minutes to replace a radiator"
>
> more like 3 - 5 hrs on a 940......

What makes it so much harder on a 940 than a 740? One could just about
do a transmission swap in 5 hours so long as they have all the correct
tools.
~^ beancounter ~^ - 16 Nov 2006 21:02 GMT
I believe many parts off of the front end need to
come off...cowling, fan, etc...Although, I have not
done one myself...So I should shut up @ this point..

...but, on my 1993 940t...it took a lot longer than 10min..
for a expierenced volvo mech to swap out the rad...that's for sure....

btw: i went on to have more cooling issues...evend. cooking
the head and having it replaced.....BE CAREFUL OVER
HEATING YOUR 940.....watch the temp guage and pull
over if it gets high...EVEN IF IT GOES BACK TO NORMAL....
as the guage will do this, once the water is gone from
around the sensor...it means yoyr guage is now giving
you air temp, no water temp any more..as the coolant is
gone from around the sensor....good luck...and keep us
all posted...three hrs is a pretty long trip...take it easy
and go slow...

> > "It only takes 10 minutes to replace a radiator"
>
> > more like 3 - 5 hrs on a 940......What makes it so much harder on a 940 than a 740? One could just about
> do a transmission swap in 5 hours so long as they have all the correct
> tools.
Tim (remove obvious) - 16 Nov 2006 09:24 GMT
> The radiator in my 1994 940 has developed a crack in the plastic tank.
> I'm currently out of town and need to drive about 3 hours to get home.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> cap loose enough to relieve pressure, but tight enough to keep coolant
> in. If anyone has any advice for me, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

As long as it doesnt run short of water and overheat, it'll be fine.

Tim..
Pedroman - 16 Nov 2006 20:25 GMT
If you can find a radiator where you are at I'd replace it.
OR use an epoxy product that sets overnight and try driving home.

Don't do like my wife and run it dry. Plus use a Nissen radiator, don't go
for a knockoff generic radiator. It simply isn't worth it. If it's an Auto
then plan on about 1 1/2 hours. Very easy to do even for a novice.

If you run it dry plan on machining the head, flushing the engine. (about
$800.00 in repairs) Believe me it's not worth it!

Pedroman
> The radiator in my 1994 940 has developed a crack in the plastic tank.
> I'm currently out of town and need to drive about 3 hours to get home.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> cap loose enough to relieve pressure, but tight enough to keep coolant
> in. If anyone has any advice for me, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!
Joe D - 16 Nov 2006 22:42 GMT
>The radiator in my 1994 940 has developed a crack in the plastic tank.
>I'm currently out of town and need to drive about 3 hours to get home.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>cap loose enough to relieve pressure, but tight enough to keep coolant
>in. If anyone has any advice for me, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

One to be wary of is, the tempature gauge is compensated and does not
always reflect the exact temperature of the coolant. Done that way to
prevent complaints about small fluctuations.
~^ beancounter ~^ - 18 Nov 2006 20:16 GMT
Joe D...

They way my mechanic explained to me was this..."once the water
is no longer surrounding the sensor, the sensor will reflect the air
temp,
which is much lower than the coolant was"...so, that is why my temp
guage 1st spiked ... for 3 - 5 (as the coolant started heating up) min
of
driving, then seemed to return to normal...even though I was really way

low on coolant........The guage does not reflect motor temp, just
coolant
or coolant cavaity (if empty) temp.....And yea, I agree there is a
dampner
factor built into the guage or sensor , so the guage is a bit more
stable........My mechanic told me he has seen the 940t's get so hot
and overheated...all the plastic pieces in the engine compartment
were melted and totaled......and, if you l@@k at my 93 940t...there is
a
hell of a lot of plastic under the hood.....

> >The radiator in my 1994 940 has developed a crack in the plastic tank.
> >I'm currently out of town and need to drive about 3 hours to get home.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> always reflect the exact temperature of the coolant. Done that way to
> prevent complaints about small fluctuations.
jimmy - 22 Nov 2006 15:13 GMT
> The radiator in my 1994 940 has developed a crack in the plastic tank.
> I'm currently out of town and need to drive about 3 hours to get home.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> cap loose enough to relieve pressure, but tight enough to keep coolant
> in. If anyone has any advice for me, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!

I know this is late, but I haven't seen anyone suggest that you drive
with
your heater turned on.  This really works and have used the technique
several
times while in those conditions.  
jimmy
1990 740 GL wagon
mjc<DELETETHIS>13 - 23 Nov 2006 06:25 GMT
>>The radiator in my 1994 940 has developed a crack in the plastic tank.
>>I'm currently out of town and need to drive about 3 hours to get home.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> jimmy
> 1990 740 GL wagon

   You haven't seen it suggested because on a three hour drive
it would be of minimal help. Using the heater core as an
auxiliary radiator is really only effective when the radiator is
plugged or overloaded, not spewing coolant.
M-gineering - 23 Nov 2006 08:47 GMT
>> I know this is late, but I haven't seen anyone suggest that you drive
>> with
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> really only effective when the radiator is plugged or overloaded, not
> spewing coolant.

You missed the point: when the heater goes out you better fill up again
quick
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Marten

~^ beancounter ~^ - 24 Nov 2006 16:22 GMT
i agree on this point...the other way i could tell my coolant was
getting way low, is the heater would no longer put out heat...good
point.....mine being a 1993 940t....

> >> I know this is late, but I haven't seen anyone suggest that you drive
> >> with
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> ---
> Marten
 
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