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Car Forum / Volvo Cars / February 2007'94 850 Turbo Dealer estimate for repairs:
Here is the death knell delivered by my Volvo dealer: "Timing belt pulleys throwing metal shavings. Estimate to replace idler pulley, tensioner pulley, hydraulic tensioner, and timing belt $913. Turbo oil return line leaking oil Estimate $106. Left and right inner tie rods worn Estimate $478 plus alignment $89.95 Vehicle needs tires." Add say $350 for tires, and the total is more than the car is worth. The car has about 100k miles. Has always run well. Has anyone heard of the problem mentioned about the "timing belt pulleys throwing metal shavings"? Anyway, I have purchased a car to replace the Volvo. So, I am wondering what to do with the Volvo? I could donate it, but I do not itemize, so that is not a good option. The car owes me nothing, it has been a good car for many years. I can have the car delivered to a mechanic in the Houston, TX area, by AAA towing. I guess, I am wondering what you experts think about the problems above? Should I get a second opinion? Does it pass the smell test? > Here is the death knell delivered by my Volvo dealer: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Add say $350 for tires, and the total is more than the car is worth. Erm...that's a bit less than $2000 for the repairs. > The car has about 100k miles. Has always run well. The Kelley Blue Book gives the 'suggested retail value' for such a car, in excellent condition, as ... $5800. Is yours not in excellent condition, that you underestimate it so direly? cheers, Henry >> Here is the death knell delivered by my Volvo dealer: >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Henry In addition to the above, the car has the following defects :( 1. Odometer stopped working at 72,502 miles. 2. Left rear door check that holds the door at an intermediate position, is detached from the auto body (broken weld). The door still works fine, so I did not spend the money to fix it. 3. The AM radio has nothing but static after being on for a short time. FM portion & CD changer (Sony 10 cd after market changer) are OK. 4. Windshield has a very small star type crack (3/8" diameter) Other than these items, the car is in good shape. Paint Excellent, Leather good, Power windows, cruise control, moon roof etc. all work fine. My understanding has always been that the Odometer problem means that the car is almost worthless. Perhaps not, but it precludes anything like excellent or even good or even fair condition. If this is true, then spending money on this Volvo would be throwing good money after bad. I read somewhere that you could use the on board computer which among other things turns on the "Service Light" to get the miles in thousands by certain codes entered into the under the hood maintenance computer, then counting the flashes. Does anyone know, in detail, how to do this? > Here is the death knell delivered by my Volvo dealer: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I guess, I am wondering what you experts think about the problems above? > Should I get a second opinion? Does it pass the smell test? http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/tayco/wizard.jsp?partner=tayco&clientid=all oemautoparts.com&baseurl=http://www.alloemautoparts.com/&cookieid=1ZT01GQ351ZT01 GU6Q&year=1994&make=VO&model=850-T-001&category=A&part=Timing+Belt+Kit $214.00 Only one of three at all oem for the tensioner - but less then 200 I would warrant...here are three: http://www.volvopartsdirect.com/epc-items.asp While you are in there it would be criminal not to R&R the water pump http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/tayco/wizard.jsp?partner=tayco&clientid=all oemautoparts.com&baseurl=http://www.alloemautoparts.com/&cookieid=1ZT01GQ351ZT01 LL8P&year=1994&make=VO&model=850-T-001&category=All&part=Water+Pump $65.00 Say 450-500 A decent tech can do the job in less the 5 hours 4x90=360 860 with the water pump that the dealer does not include. Tie rod ends (inner) http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/tayco/wizard.jsp?partner=tayco&clientid=all oemautoparts.com&baseurl=http://www.alloemautoparts.com/&cookieid=1ZT01GQ351ZT01 PWJW&year=1994&make=VO&model=850-T-001&category=M&part=Tie+Rod+End 60-90 each. 1 hour a side seems generous! 90x2=180+90x2(labor)=180=360 total+ alignment 60-80 bucks. so we have 850 for the timing belt job TOPS tie rods 440 Tires 400 and just add oil for a bit to the engine, checking it every fuel stop. 1690 worth of maintance, not repairs for a great car that has at least another 100,000 miles in it. 5000 (car value guess from other comment in thread) (1700) Repair cost (200) Good detail job You should yield around $3000 if you fix and resell. If I lived there I might buy it! BTW all the stuff sounds reasonable, however the turbo leak might be minor (ignore it) or major (fix it NOW) >> Here is the death knell delivered by my Volvo dealer: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> Turbo oil return line leaking oil >> Estimate $106. SNIP >> The car has about 100k miles. Has always run well. What is the recommended time/miles for replacing the timing belt for that engine? If it hasn't been changed, it should be and it's routine to replace those moving parts anyway - along with a water pump. If the turbo oil return line is somewhat similar to the one on an S-40, it's just a cheap rubber gasket that needs to be replaced. With only 100K - assuming the car is in otherwise good shape, I'd have the work done and run it for another 100+K. I'll bet a competent independent shop could do the same work much cheaper. >>> Here is the death knell delivered by my Volvo dealer: >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > engine? If it hasn't been changed, it should be and it's routine to > replace those moving parts anyway - along with a water pump. The Timing belt is supposed to be changed at 70,000 miles. It was, in fact, replaced at 68,088 miles, on 11/30/2001.. > If the turbo oil return line is somewhat similar to the one on an S-40, > it's just a cheap rubber gasket that needs to be replaced. I do not know?? > With only 100K - assuming the car is in otherwise good shape, I'd have the > work done and run it for another 100+K. I have already purchased a replacement car, so my motivation would be to sell the Volvo to someone who could and would drive it AND take care of it. I would not sell the car without disclosing all relevant negative information. >I'll bet a competent independent shop could do the same work much cheaper. Anyone recommend a competent independent shop in the Houston, TX, area?? Thanks for all your input! (re: '94 850T) > The Timing belt is supposed to be changed at 70,000 miles. > It was, in fact, replaced at 68,088 miles, on 11/30/2001.. According to my mechanic at the local Volvo dealership, the timing belt is "supposed to be changed" not only according to the distance measurement but also / instead according to a _time_ measurement; according to him, 'Volvo recommends every five years'. (Not only that, but here in the Frozen North -- the car is in Finland -- because of the severe climate, they make it every _four_ years.) I have a '95 850T with very low mileage ( <75 000 km.). I had that belt changed in 2001 and this spring when I take the car in for the 75K service I expect they'll tell me it should be done again. I'm debating. Is it really necessary now, or would another year be OK? Decisions, decisions. On the other hand, a broken belt can cause the kind of damage that would definitely haunt your nightmares. cheers, Henry > Anyone recommend a competent independent shop in the Houston, TX, > area?? > > Thanks for all your input! Mark Garcia at Downtown Automotive on Fairview. SC Perkins > Here is the death knell delivered by my Volvo dealer: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Left and right inner tie rods worn Estimate $478 plus alignment $89.95 > Vehicle needs tires." None of those are completely surprising needs for a car of that age. You should be able to get the work done much cheaper by an independent Volvo specialist. Or, to the DIY route and it can all be done for a few hundred dollars in parts. www.eeuroparts.com should be able to provide all the needed bits at a good price. www.tirerack.com for tires John |
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