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Car Forum / Volvo Cars / February 2007V70 tyres
I'm going to change the tyres on our 2001 V70 soon - they've got Pirelli P6000s on that seem OK although I've had punctures/valve problems in all of them and one is still leaking. Any other recommendations? We're in the UK. E. > I'm going to change the tyres on our 2001 V70 soon - they've got Pirelli > P6000s on that seem OK although I've had punctures/valve problems in all > of them and one is still leaking. Any other recommendations? We're in > the UK. I would still recommend P6000's. - I wouldnt have anything else on my vehicles, one of which is a 70 series Volvo. Tim. . > > I'm going to change the tyres on our 2001 V70 soon - they've got Pirelli > > P6000s on that seem OK although I've had punctures/valve problems in all [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Tim We do mostly urban driving in inner London with lots of speed bumps and poor roads - I'm wondering if there may be more robust tyres for this sort of thing. E. > I'm going to change the tyres on our 2001 V70 soon - they've got Pirelli > P6000s on that seem OK although I've had punctures/valve problems in all > of them and one is still leaking. Any other recommendations? We're in > the UK If you understand some German: According to the tyretests published by the automobile clubs Austrian OEAMTC http://www.oeamtc.at/tests/reifen/ and the German ADAC http://www.adac.de/Tests/Reifentests/Sommerreifen/185_60_R14H_2006/default.asp?C omponentID=139632&SourcePageID=8772# the Pirelli P6000 is rated in the top class (very recommended) with the Bridgestone Turanza. Probably they published the same test. Another question is, whether you really want to pay the extra money for the top quality. There is a lot of other products in the tests still rated "recommended". Maloya Futura Primato was a tyre offering much for the Euro (pound) if you do not want to pay for the two top products. I would not go below that. I myself have put the P6000 on my 745 two years ago and will probably put another new set on my 855 this summer, too. Regards  SignatureViktor Weisshäupl The e-mail address in the header is never read For private e-mail please use vikwei at gmx dot at In an earlier contribution to this discussion, > I'm going to change the tyres on our 2001 V70 soon - they've got > Pirelli P6000s on that seem OK although I've had punctures/valve > problems in all of them and one is still leaking. Any other > recommendations? We're in the UK. > > E. Stick with 6000's - they're fine. They're no more likely to puncture than any other tyre - you've just been unlucky - or careless. Valve problems obviously have nothing to do with the type of tyre fitted - the valve is a totally separate item! SignatureCheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! > In an earlier contribution to this discussion, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > obviously have nothing to do with the type of tyre fitted - the valve is a > totally separate item! I totally disagree! Get rid of the Pirellis. Always when I bought an 850 or a V70 (had 5 in total so far) I insisted that the original Pirellis were changed to Michelins. Pirellis are never round and very difficult to balance. In addition they live hardly 50 % of a Michelin. http://www.michelin.co.uk/uk/front/affich.jsp? codeRubrique=20060215120720 HTH, Joerg (from Switzerland) P.S.: My wife hast the same tyres on her Renault but a heavy duty version which has only a VR-rating - which should be sufficient for the UK and the top speed for most of the V70s. Ask for them if you thin you would need them. > -- > Cheers, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. > PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! > I totally disagree! Get rid of the Pirellis. Always when I bought an > 850 or a V70 (had 5 in total so far) I insisted that the original > Pirellis were changed to Michelins. Pirellis are never round and very > difficult to balance. In addition they live hardly 50 % of a Michelin. Where the Michelin is included in the tests published it really rates best for wear. But looses points on wet surface so it does not make it into the top category. SignatureViktor Weisshäupl The e-mail address in the header is never read For private e-mail please use vikwei at gmx dot at In an earlier contribution to this discussion, >> I totally disagree! Get rid of the Pirellis. Always when I bought an >> 850 or a V70 (had 5 in total so far) I insisted that the original [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > best for wear. But looses points on wet surface so it does not make > it into the top category. It is often the case that tyres which are good for wear are not very good for grip - particularly in the wet. The P6000 seems to be a good 'all round' tyre - which is possibly why Volvo fit them as original equipment. SignatureCheers, Roger ______ Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks. PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP! > I'm going to change the tyres on our 2001 V70 soon - they've got Pirelli > P6000s on that seem OK although I've had punctures/valve problems in all > of them and one is still leaking. Any other recommendations? We're in > the UK. In the US the '01 V70 XC came with Pirelli Scorpion S/T 215/65R16. It is a great tire. I have used Pirelli's in the past and even though they had good traction, they didn't last. The Scorpions last so well that I have used the exclusively for replacement tires also. They have good wet and dry traction and good wear characteristics and good speed performance. A great tire. SignatureCheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA, USA Owned '67,'68,'71,'74,'79,'81,'87,'93,'95 & '01 Volvos. The '67,'74,'79,'87,'95 and '01 through European Delivery. http://rhodyman.net/homevo.html > In the US the '01 V70 XC came with Pirelli Scorpion S/T 215/65R16. It > is a great tire. I have used Pirelli's in the past and even though they > had good traction, they didn't last. The Scorpions last so well that I > have used the exclusively for replacement tires also. They have good > wet and dry traction and good wear characteristics and good speed > performance. A great tire. Those tyres are cheaper here in the UK than the P6000s - they cost about £75 a tyre (which is now almost $150...) E. > In the US the '01 V70 XC came with Pirelli Scorpion S/T 215/65R16. It > is a great tire. I have used Pirelli's in the past and even though they > had good traction, they didn't last. The Scorpions last so well that I > have used the exclusively for replacement tires also. They have good > wet and dry traction and good wear characteristics and good speed > performance. A great tire. The Pirelli Scorpion is not a "summer" tire, it is listed as an "all year" tire, i.e. snow grip better than a usual summer tire but its properties on dry warm surfaces must be worse than a top summer tire. SignatureViktor Weisshäupl The e-mail address in the header is never read For private e-mail please use vikwei at gmx dot at > The Pirelli Scorpion is not a "summer" tire, it is listed as an "all year" > tire, > i.e. snow grip better than a usual summer tire but its properties on dry warm > surfaces must be worse than a top summer tire. We don't have summer tires in the US. We have regular, all-weather and snow tires. The Scorpions are all-weather. But "all year" tires are much better when it rains in the summer. Dry performance varies only slightly from tire to tire, but wet performance varies greatly, so only consider wet performance. The Scorpions have great rain performance, even toward the end of the tread life. I consider hydroplaning avoidance my first concern when buying new tires. Hydroplaning can be deadly. SignatureCheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA, USA Owned '67,'68,'71,'74,'79,'81,'87,'93,'95 & '01 Volvos. The '67,'74,'79,'87,'95 and '01 through European Delivery. http://rhodyman.net/homevo.html > We don't have summer tires in the US. We have regular, all-weather and > snow tires. The Scorpions are all-weather. Probably the equivalents are: regular = what we call in German "summer" tires (Sommerreifen) All weather = "all year" (Ganzjahresreifen) snow = "winter" tires. (Winterreifen) SignatureViktor Weisshäupl The e-mail address in the header is never read For private e-mail please use vikwei at gmx dot at viktor roskakori schrieb: >> We don't have summer tires in the US. We have regular, all-weather and >> snow tires. The Scorpions are all-weather. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > All weather = "all year" (Ganzjahresreifen) > snow = "winter" tires. (Winterreifen) I strongly suggest to use specialist tyres for each season i.e. summer and winter. All weather tyres are always a compromise. It is proven wrong that All Weather-Tyres have the better aquaplaning-properties than summer(regular)-tyres. And the performance during the wet and snowy season of specialist tyres with softer rubber with a high content of Kieselsäure (I don't know the english expression for it) is ways beyond All Weather-Tyres. The draw back is a reduced speed rating (which is not relly important given the speed limits). It is a fact that in Hitech-Markets (as far as cars are concerned) All Weather-Tyres are not accepted because of their mediocre performance. In Europe the market share is close to zero on passenger vehicles. Joerg SignatureReclaim your inbox! Thunderbird makes emailing safer, faster, and easier than ever before with the industry's best implementations of features such as intelligent spam filters, built-in RSS reader, quick search, and much more. http://www.mozilla-europe.org/de/products/thunderbird/ > viktor roskakori schrieb: >>> We don't have summer tires in the US. We have regular, all-weather and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Joerg Eastender said he lives in the UK. Unless he lives in the Highlands of Scotland, or perhaps in the Pennines, there is rarely more than a few days of snow each winter. So special winter tyres are not really needed, imho. I have a V70 AWD, fitted with P6000s. They have been fine so far, and when the time comes I shall probably replace them with the same. Bill >>> Eastender said he lives in the UK. Unless he lives in the Highlands of > Scotland, or perhaps in the Pennines, there is rarely more than a few [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I have a V70 AWD, fitted with P6000s. They have been fine so far, and > when the time comes I shall probably replace them with the same. Yes indeed, in London, although amazingly we did have snow here the other day - the first I can recall for years. As for the P6000s, I'm still tempted to get something else - was at air line this evening and one of the rear tyres was down to 12psi and one of the fronts at 18psi, the other rear at 25psi and only one front at 29psi (I had them all up to 29psi a week and a half ago). I've had three of these tyres off and two small punctures fixed and three new valves and they've plenty of tread left but I'm losing my patience now. E. Bill schrieb: > Eastender said he lives in the UK. Unless he lives in the Highlands of > Scotland, or perhaps in the Pennines, there is rarely more than a few > days of snow each winter. So special winter tyres are not really needed, > imho. Yes they are: Below 8°C summer rubber gets very hard and has no grip anymore. Snow Tyres are not only a question of snow, they are much better in wet conditions and low temps. SignatureReclaim your inbox! Thunderbird makes emailing safer, faster, and easier than ever before with the industry's best implementations of features such as intelligent spam filters, built-in RSS reader, quick search, and much more. http://www.mozilla-europe.org/de/products/thunderbird/ > Yes they are: Below 8°C summer rubber gets very hard and has no grip > anymore. Snow Tyres are not only a question of snow, they are much > better in wet conditions and low temps. Gee, that is 46°F. It gets colder than that in the American West at night on the hottest days of summer. In fact in Hell's Canyon, between Oregon and Idaho, I saw it get up to nearly 120°F (49°C) in the day and our water bags froze solid at night. That is not unusual in the "big sky" country. So I guess you wouldn't use summer tires at all here. We do and we don't have any problems. Maybe our tires are a little more accommodating that yours. Try some American "summer" tires, they do have grip below 8°C. If they didn't we couldn't drive to the top of Pike's Peak (14,110 feet) or to the top of Mauna Kea (13,796 feet) without sliding off the roads that don't have guard rails. So our summer tires must have some grip, in fact they have a lot of grip below 8°C. By the way if you do drive to the top of Pike's Peak or Mauna Kea, take a coat. It is unbelievably cold up there on the hottest days of summer and the wind almost blows you over. For example on July 12, 2006, on Mauna Kea in Hawaii, the temperature was 2C and winds were 40 mph. Pikes Peak it is even colder. SignatureCheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA, USA Owned '67,'68,'71,'74,'79,'81,'87,'93,'95 & '01 Volvos. The '67,'74,'79,'87,'95 and '01 through European Delivery. http://rhodyman.net/homevo.html > I strongly suggest to use specialist tyres for each season i.e. summer > and winter. All weather tyres are always a compromise. It is proven > wrong that All Weather-Tyres have the better aquaplaning-properties than > summer(regular)-tyres. It depends more on the individual tire than on the class of tire. Some "summer tires" have horrible aquaplaning properties and some have excellent. Same goes for "winter tires" and "all year" tires. Driving is always a compromise. Most winter days are sunny and dry. Some summer days are wet and slippery. That is why an compromise tire is best. It is always ready. When snow is on the ground, then a "winter tire" makes sense, and in Anchorage Alaska, that is just about all winter. But here in PA it is seldom. We usually have salt on the ground, not snow. SignatureCheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA, USA Owned '67,'68,'71,'74,'79,'81,'87,'93,'95 & '01 Volvos. The '67,'74,'79,'87,'95 and '01 through European Delivery. http://rhodyman.net/homevo.html > Driving > is always a compromise. Regardless of which type of tires one uses, maybe the most important thing as usual is: not to turn off the program brain.exe while driving under nonoptimal weather and road conditions. Having the best summer or winter tire under your a.s shouldn´t lure you into a false safety feeling. SignatureViktor Weisshäupl The e-mail address in the header is never read For private e-mail please use vikwei at gmx dot at Of course tyres do not stop working at any given temperature that we are likely to encounter... As per Steve Henning's comments... they may tail off in performance outside the design temperature range, but that's what happens in real life and tyres have been designed to cope with. By far a bigger issue is what if you have a crash with "proper" winter tyres on and the speed rating is not what is recommended by the manufacturer ! Ideal wriggle-out possibilty for them, all because we were "trying to be smart" and fit a "better" tyre .... What happens if we have winter tyres on and the sun comes out - do we change tyres and then back again at night ? Here in the UK, we are having -6 deg C at night and + 12 deg C in the day...not a great temperature range and our "all weather tyres" seem to cope admirably... Nick > I strongly suggest to use specialist tyres for each season i.e. summer > and winter. All weather tyres are always a compromise. It is proven [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > All Weather-Tyres. The draw back is a reduced speed rating (which is not > relly important given the speed limits). Based on my experience, I concur. I've been running 4 Pirelli "Ice Radials" on my 850T during winters for several years. I bought a set of Toyo Proxes 4 (high performance all- season) last summer partly on the strength of ownership surveys rating them equal to the Pirelli P-Zero Nero All Season. The Toyos performed OK during several snowfalls we've had this winter. I never got stuck, but they were clearly limited in their ability. I recently put the Pirelli Ice Radials back on for a ski trip. What a difference! I noticed it as soon as I drove out of our garage onto our snowy driveway. The rubber compound on the Ice Radials provided a major improvement in traction on packed snow and ice. As you would expect, the tread pattern on the Ice Radials helped immensely in the deeper snow I encountered in the mountains approaching the ski area, but that's a no-brainer. As an aside, I'm fairly impressed with the performance of the Toyo Proxes 4 during summer and fall. Traction on dry and wet roads is very good, they track very nicely on the highway, they're quiet, and they balanced up very well. A good tire for the money. But when the tread on the Ice Radials reaches the recommended minimum, I'll get another set of 4 dedicated winter tires. Java |
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