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c.fiedler@sbcglobal.net - 26 May 2007 14:50 GMT
I read this morning that BMW is in talks with Ford to buy Volvo. Both
Ford and BMW had no comment.

Chuck Fiedler
Nothing but Volvo since 1974
Stephen Henning - 26 May 2007 15:51 GMT
> I read this morning that BMW is in talks with Ford to buy Volvo. Both
> Ford and BMW had no comment.

Ford is looking to sell of all it's European makes to generate some
cash. It is in bad trouble.  It stopped making its cash cow the Taurus
and introduced the Five Hundred which was still born beside the fact it
was a good car.  Now they are rebadging the Five Hundred as the Taurus.  
Detroit is in the business of selling images, not vehicles.

By the way,according to the labels on the car doors that list "percent
of parts made in the US, the most American "cars" are:

1. Ford F-150* Dearborn, Mich.; Kansas City, Mo.; Norfolk, Va.   1
2. Toyota Camry**, Camry Solara   Georgetown, Ky.   3
3. Chevrolet Silverado 1500*  Fort Wayne, Ind.; Pontiac, Mich. 2
4. Chevrolet Cobalt  Lordstown, Ohio   5
5. Ford Explorer, Explorer Sport Trac  Louisville, Ky.; St. Louis   6
6. Chevrolet Malibu, Malibu Maxx Kansas City, Kan. 7
7. Chevrolet TrailBlazer*  Moraine, Ohio  10
8. Toyota Sienna  Princeton, Ind.   9
9. Pontiac G6  Orion, Mich.   --
10.Ford Escape**  Kansas City, Mo.  8

*Rankings based on estimated sales breakouts and/or production data;
TrailBlazer excludes discontinued TrailBlazer EXT.
**Excludes hybrid.

However, this does not distinguish between US and Canadian content.

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Here are some makes that are NOT considered "American Made"

# Chevrolet Equinox
# Chevrolet HHR
# Chevrolet Impala
# Chevrolet Tahoe
# Chrysler 300
# Chrysler PT Cruiser
# Dodge Charger
# Ford Focus
# Ford Fusion
# Ford Mustang

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viktor weisshaeupl - 26 May 2007 16:21 GMT
> Detroit is in the business of selling images, not vehicles.

I have got the impression, that selling images is what is the main business of
every big company nowadays. Product quality and customer satisfaction are
definitely secondary or tertiary issues.

Viktor
z - 31 May 2007 16:46 GMT
> > Detroit is in the business of selling images, not vehicles.
>
> I have got the impression, that selling images is what is the main business of
> every big company nowadays. Product quality and customer satisfaction are
> definitely secondary or tertiary issues.

And it's come home to roost. Image eventually matches reality. There
aren't any teenage boys anywhere bugging their fathers to buy an
Impala anymore.
Stephen Henning - 26 May 2007 22:53 GMT
> Here are some makes that are NOT considered "American Made"
>
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> <http://www.autosite.com/content/shared/articles/templates/index.cfm/arti
> cle_id_int/1965>

Here is more on this:

Built at the Ingersoll plant in Ontario, Canada, the 2006 Chevrolet
Equinox could be the most un-American ³American² car on the road.
Consider that, in addition to its assembly north of the border, the
Equinox has a China-built V6 engine.

GM says that the 2006 Chevrolet HHR was inspired by the 1949 Suburban.
We wonder whether they built that SUV in Ramos Arizpe, Mexico as well.

The much-improved Impala, with more room and comfortable seats  plus an
attractive style  is Canadian.

The Tahoe debuted early this year to brisk sales, and may even find
itself as a serious contender for Truck of the Year. That¹s the good
news, along with the fact that it¹s built in Arlington, Texas and
Janesville, Wisconsin. Ah  but the things they put inside, only 67
percent come from US-based suppliers.

The Chrysler 300, only the most well-received new sedan Chrysler has put
out in years  from critics and consumers alike  is about as American as
a Moose. Built in Brampton, Ontario, the 300 also gets just 72 percent
of its parts from US suppliers.

Built in Toluca, Mexico, the PT Cruiser was updated in 2006.

Like its brother, the Chrysler 300, the Dodge Charger is itself a big
buff Canadian that borrows its legacy from an American icon.

Built in the US but made of only 60 percent American parts, the Focus
could be considered at least ³near American.²

As the flag-waver for Ford¹s newest rallying cry, ³Red, White and Bold,²
it¹s interesting that the 2006 Ford Fusion is more a hue of green, white
and red, signifying its Mexican birthplace. Or maybe it¹s more red and
white, symbolizing its Mazda/Japanese roots.

According to the Act, cars must be made of 75 percent US parts, and the
Mustang registers at a paltry 65 percent, Canada included.  At least
it¹s still assembled in Michigan.

Consider, though, that if you want to buy a more American car than the
Mustang  the Mustang -- try the Camry, the Accord, the Avalon, the
Corolla
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Roger Mills - 26 May 2007 19:15 GMT
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

> I read this morning that BMW is in talks with Ford to buy Volvo. Both
> Ford and BMW had no comment.
>
> Chuck Fiedler
> Nothing but Volvo since 1974

I sincerely hope not - look what happened to Rover when BMW bought it!
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Sakari Ailus - 26 May 2007 19:26 GMT
>  I sincerely hope not - look what happened to Rover when BMW bought it!

OTOH, there could be RWD Volvos again. ;) 8-]

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Roger Mills - 26 May 2007 22:53 GMT
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

>>  I sincerely hope not - look what happened to Rover when BMW bought
>> it!
>
> OTOH, there could be RWD Volvos again. ;) 8-]

Well they didn't produce any RWD Rovers during their ownership!
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James Sweet - 26 May 2007 19:31 GMT
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>
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>
> I sincerely hope not - look what happened to Rover when BMW bought it!

What happened to it? Could the build quality really have gotten much worse?
Richard Polhill - 27 May 2007 09:46 GMT
> I read this morning that BMW is in talks with Ford to buy Volvo. Both
> Ford and BMW had no comment.
>
> Chuck Fiedler
> Nothing but Volvo since 1974

Oh I do hope so. Perhaps somebody will make progressive Volvos instead
of ridiculous pastiches with most of the old values sapped out.
John Robertson - 27 May 2007 11:04 GMT
I wont drive german cars so if this is true thats the end of my love affair
with Volvos, except those built previous to any possible takeover .
Just as a matter of interest would a volvo bmw have no indicators as it
seems bmw indicators dont seem to work ever ?

>I read this morning that BMW is in talks with Ford to buy Volvo. Both
> Ford and BMW had no comment.
>
> Chuck Fiedler
> Nothing but Volvo since 1974
Richard Polhill - 27 May 2007 13:39 GMT
> I wont drive german cars

What a strange idea.

> so if this is true thats the end of my love affair
> with Volvos, except those built previous to any possible takeover .

By Ford?
Roger Mills - 27 May 2007 14:30 GMT
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

> I wont drive german cars so if this is true thats the end of my love
> affair with Volvos, except those built previous to any possible
> takeover . Just as a matter of interest would a volvo bmw have no
> indicators as
> it seems bmw indicators dont seem to work ever ?

Dunno - but hopefully they'd have no daytime running lights!
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Stephen Henning - 27 May 2007 15:25 GMT
> I wont drive german cars so if this is true thats the end of my love affair
> with Volvos, except those built previous to any possible takeover .

Is a car that is designed in Sweden and built in Sweden and Belgium,  
with Japanese transmissions, German.  I don't think so.  I don't think
the present Volvo is American either.  Ford's only contribution was
adding the V-8 engines which I avoid like the plague.
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   The '67,'74,'79,'87,'95 and '01 through European Delivery.
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volvo480 - 27 May 2007 16:57 GMT
Steve, what is wrong with the Yamaha V8 ? I have never read anything bad
about the engine, apart from the fuel consumption, Rob

>> I wont drive german cars so if this is true thats the end of my love
>> affair
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> the present Volvo is American either.  Ford's only contribution was
> adding the V-8 engines which I avoid like the plague.
Stephen Henning - 29 May 2007 03:01 GMT
> Steve, what is wrong with the Yamaha V8 ? I have never read anything bad
> about the engine, apart from the fuel consumption, Rob

QED

Very inefficient.

Volvo engines have a long reputation of efficiency and durability.
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sorint@yahoo.com - 31 May 2007 16:30 GMT
> > Steve, what is wrong with the Yamaha V8 ? I have never read anything bad
> > about the engine, apart from the fuel consumption, Rob
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>     The '67,'74,'79,'87,'95 and '01 through European Delivery.
>  http://rhodyman.net/homevo.html

I just sold my 95 940 wagon that was not even pulling 24mpg, unless on
a highway. And it wasn't even a turbo. Where was the efficiency in
that? and it was so underpowered that it was literally painful to
drive. Between that and a new 90 series that has the same mpg I'll
pick the last one even if it has twice the cylinders (all other things
being equal, of course). Now, I'm not complaining about its
reliability, that was great.
No, I'm not bashing Volvo, I am a big fan and I still own an S70 but
that 940 was painful to drive, plain and simple AND getting a horrible
MPG. That combined with a lack of manual transmission in the late yrs
of 940's have lost me as a fan of the series. Now I'm looking for a
manual 850 or S70 that are very difficult to find.
mdrawson - 27 May 2007 23:51 GMT
Too bad you feel as you do about the V8.  We have one (XC90) and it's
incredible --- great power, very reliable, and decent gas mileage (24MPG
highway, which is better than the 3.2 6cyl XC90 that we drove --- the V8
prob doesn't have to work as hard).  My understanding was that the V8 was
not made in US but in China or Japan or some such.  At any rate, we love it
and would buy another.  'Bout time Volvo did a V8.

>> I wont drive german cars so if this is true thats the end of my love
>> affair
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> the present Volvo is American either.  Ford's only contribution was
> adding the V-8 engines which I avoid like the plague.
John Horner - 28 May 2007 07:42 GMT
> Too bad you feel as you do about the V8.  We have one (XC90) and it's
> incredible --- great power, very reliable, and decent gas mileage (24MPG
> highway, which is better than the 3.2 6cyl XC90 that we drove --- the V8
> prob doesn't have to work as hard).  My understanding was that the V8 was
> not made in US but in China or Japan or some such.  At any rate, we love it
> and would buy another.  'Bout time Volvo did a V8.

Made in Japan by Yamaha.  It is a further development of the engine
design Yamaha used to build for the Ford Taurus SHO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Yamaha_V8_engine
Mike Lindsay - 29 May 2007 21:22 GMT
>> I wont drive german cars so if this is true thats the end of my love affair
>> with Volvos, except those built previous to any possible takeover .
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>the present Volvo is American either.  Ford's only contribution was
>adding the V-8 engines which I avoid like the plague.

There is a new Volvo on sale in the UK, called C30. It looks very like
what we know as the Ford Fiesta. Anyone know anything about it?
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Stephen Henning - 30 May 2007 13:50 GMT
> There is a new Volvo on sale in the UK, called C30. It looks very like
> what we know as the Ford Fiesta. Anyone know anything about it?

It is a "near-luxury" hatchback/coupe and is coming to the US in October
as a 2008 model.

A hybrid version is in the works.  It shares the platform of the Volvo
S40/V50/C70.  The term platform is very vague.  This C1 platform is
designed for either front- or all wheel drive.  The C1 platform was
designed in Cologne, Germany as the "C Technologies Program". Thirty
engineers each from Mazda, Ford, and Volvo worked to combine the compact
car engineering from all three automakers. This is especially beneficial
as each manufacturer involved assisted in certain areas that they are
well known for, Volvo with safety, Mazda with handling, and Ford with
cost cutting.

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Mike Lindsay - 02 Jun 2007 08:06 GMT
>> There is a new Volvo on sale in the UK, called C30. It looks very like
>> what we know as the Ford Fiesta. Anyone know anything about it?
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_C30>

Thanks for that informative answer.

Not sure if I like the idea of 30 engineers from different countries all
with a finger in the pie. Someone described a camel as a horse designed
by a committee.
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Richard Polhill - 02 Jun 2007 12:03 GMT
>>> There is a new Volvo on sale in the UK, called C30. It looks very like
>>> what we know as the Ford Fiesta. Anyone know anything about it?
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> with a finger in the pie. Someone described a camel as a horse designed
> by a committee.

A bit unfair on camels which are eminently suitable for their environment.
John Horner - 27 May 2007 16:07 GMT
> I read this morning that BMW is in talks with Ford to buy Volvo. Both
> Ford and BMW had no comment.

In my fantasy world a Swedish industrialist would buy Saab and Volvo and
turn them into great companies with a strong Scandinavian viewpoint.
Not going to happen, but would be nice.
blurp - 29 May 2007 20:57 GMT
>> I read this morning that BMW is in talks with Ford to buy Volvo. Both
>> Ford and BMW had no comment.
>
>In my fantasy world a Swedish industrialist would buy Saab and Volvo and
>turn them into great companies with a strong Scandinavian viewpoint.
>Not going to happen, but would be nice.

And then they'd crank out updated 240's....
Stephen Henning - 30 May 2007 14:08 GMT
> >In my fantasy world a Swedish industrialist would buy Saab and Volvo and
> >turn them into great companies with a strong Scandinavian viewpoint.
> >Not going to happen, but would be nice.
>
> And then they'd crank out updated 240's....

I hope not.  I owned 5 240's and 3 850/V70's and the 240 is a giant step
backward in safety, economy, power, reliability, longevity, luxury, and
roadability.  Other than that it was not too bad.  Volvo could never
bring it back because it doesn't come close to meeting their present
safety standards.  Maybe a retro on a modern platform, but not the real
thing.  NEVER.  But then they should go back to the 444/544/Amazon for a
retro, not the 240.
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James Sweet - 30 May 2007 21:25 GMT
>> >In my fantasy world a Swedish industrialist would buy Saab and Volvo and
>> >turn them into great companies with a strong Scandinavian viewpoint.
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> thing.  NEVER.  But then they should go back to the 444/544/Amazon for a
> retro, not the 240.

While it'll never happen, many of us, myself included like the 240, it's
fine if you think it's a step backwards but the fact remains that it's still
a very safe car, even compared to much of what's out there now. It's
comfortable, dependable, simple, easy to work on, parts are plentiful, and
it has that classic Volvo styling. I've often compared the 240 to the DC-3
aircraft, much more advanced vehicles have been produced in the meantime,
many are improvements in many aspects, but IMO there has never truly been a
replacement for the durable, versatile, economical, and iconic workhorse
that the 240 is. There's a good reason many thousands of 240s are still on
the road well over a decade after the last one rolled off the assembly line.
blurp - 31 May 2007 15:36 GMT
>>> >In my fantasy world a Swedish industrialist would buy Saab and Volvo and
>>> >turn them into great companies with a strong Scandinavian viewpoint.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>that the 240 is. There's a good reason many thousands of 240s are still on
>the road well over a decade after the last one rolled off the assembly line.

Well said, James.
Vanja - 28 May 2007 18:59 GMT
I hope BMW will suceed :-)

>I read this morning that BMW is in talks with Ford to buy Volvo. Both
> Ford and BMW had no comment.
>
> Chuck Fiedler
> Nothing but Volvo since 1974
John Horner - 28 May 2007 21:29 GMT
> I hope BMW will suceed :-)

BMW would be a far better owner for Volvo than Ford is, I think.  But
one must wonder what exactly BMW wants with Volvo?  Perhaps as it's
FWD/AWD brand?  Would we see Volvos being made in the US BMW plant?

I wonder if BMW would pay Ford as much for Volvo as Ford paid BMW for
Land Rover a few years back.

Strange times indeed.

CNN just ran a story on this as well:


http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/28/news/companies/ford_volvo.reut/index.htm?source=
yahoo_quote

Joe - 29 May 2007 00:40 GMT
>I hope BMW will suceed :-)

I understand the 5 cylinder FWD engine is a BMW design, at Volvo request.

joe
Aawara Chowdhury - 29 May 2007 00:56 GMT
>>I hope BMW will suceed :-)
>>
> I understand the 5 cylinder FWD engine is a BMW design, at Volvo request.

No, it isn't.  The modular engines (6, 5, 4 cyl.) were designed at
Porche's Weissbach design facility, as per Volvo's needs.

AC
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John Horner - 01 Jun 2007 07:26 GMT
>> I hope BMW will suceed :-)
>>
> I understand the 5 cylinder FWD engine is a BMW design, at Volvo request.
>
> joe

Everything I ever read about that was the Porsche's contract engineering
unit helped Volvo with the design, not BMW.  Few people realize that
Porsche has a huge contract engineering group.

> http://www.porscheengineering.com/peg/en/
 
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