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James Sweet - 11 Jun 2007 19:45 GMT
I did a little experiment the last few days since I was doing a lot of
highway driving. Tried to keep the speed at 65 or below, and focussed on
staying out of boost entirely and keeping the boost guage as far into the
black as I could. Managed almost 31 mpg from my '87 740 Turbo, wow, I was
amazed, the highest I'd *ever* gotten before was a hair under 27, with 25
being more typical highway mileage. It took some concentration but I didn't
really have to go much slower overall than I normally drive.
doofy - 11 Jun 2007 20:46 GMT
> I did a little experiment the last few days since I was doing a lot of
> highway driving. Tried to keep the speed at 65 or below, and focussed on
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> being more typical highway mileage. It took some concentration but I didn't
> really have to go much slower overall than I normally drive.

I've been trying to keep my foot out of my 91 740 wagon, which seems to
get 22mpg (last time I checked a couple of years ago).  I'll see what
happens in the -80mph category.  Just started tracking on Saturday.
James Sweet - 12 Jun 2007 00:19 GMT
>> I did a little experiment the last few days since I was doing a lot of
>> highway driving. Tried to keep the speed at 65 or below, and focussed on
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> get 22mpg (last time I checked a couple of years ago).  I'll see what
> happens in the -80mph category.  Just started tracking on Saturday.

I find I get around 24 mpg at 80, the mileage falls off rapidly as the speed
increases beyond 65 or so. This is with a manual transmission, automatic
will get significantly lower.
doofy - 12 Jun 2007 18:11 GMT
>>> I did a little experiment the last few days since I was doing a lot of
>>> highway driving. Tried to keep the speed at 65 or below, and focussed on
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> increases beyond 65 or so. This is with a manual transmission, automatic
> will get significantly lower.

I've got an automatic, on a wagon.  I think its against the law to have
a stick on a wagon.  I've wondered how much it would cost me to put a
manual in that baby.
c.fiedler@sbcglobal.net - 12 Jun 2007 19:36 GMT
>>>> I did a little experiment the last few days since I was doing a lot of
>>>> highway driving. Tried to keep the speed at 65 or below, and focussed on
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>a stick on a wagon.  I've wondered how much it would cost me to put a
>manual in that baby.

Back in the '80s, I did a change from auto to manual but I'm not sure
it could be done with a car as they are today (all interlinked through
the computer system).
James Sweet - 12 Jun 2007 19:57 GMT
> I've got an automatic, on a wagon.  I think its against the law to have a
> stick on a wagon.  I've wondered how much it would cost me to put a manual
> in that baby.

When I did it on another 740, it cost about $300. We found a manual 740 at
the wrecker, pulled the gearbox, front half of the driveshaft, clutch/brake
pedal assembly, flywheel, and interior trim then bought a new clutch.
Conversion took a weekend and everything just came together. Manual wagons
are around, they're just not as common.
doofy - 13 Jun 2007 00:35 GMT
>> I did a little experiment the last few days since I was doing a lot of
>> highway driving. Tried to keep the speed at 65 or below, and focussed
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> get 22mpg (last time I checked a couple of years ago).  I'll see what
> happens in the -80mph category.  Just started tracking on Saturday.

Just logged 26.7mpg on my wagon.  And that was keeping it under 70.

Looks like I've got a bit of catching up to do with you.

I'm also about to buy another vehicle which will get infinite mpg, a
recumbent bike.

So, as my mileage goes down, my mpg will go up.
James Sweet - 13 Jun 2007 02:59 GMT
> Just logged 26.7mpg on my wagon.  And that was keeping it under 70.
>
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>
> So, as my mileage goes down, my mpg will go up.

I've been eyeing those recumbant bikes for a while now, wish I knew someone
who had one so I could try it out. I also wish this area was better laid out
for bicycle commuting but at least we do have one excellent bike trail which
is convenient for anything that happens to be along it.
doofy - 13 Jun 2007 03:32 GMT
>>Just logged 26.7mpg on my wagon.  And that was keeping it under 70.
>>
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> for bicycle commuting but at least we do have one excellent bike trail which
> is convenient for anything that happens to be along it.

Check out bentrideronline.com.  Lots of resources there, places to ask
questions.  I'm only just venturing into this.  I was toying with the
idea about a year ago.  I just couldn't see spending a few hundred
dollars for half-way measures again, trying to get a regular bike to not
kill my wrists, etc, so I'm seriously searching right now.  Someone on
bentrideronline.com might be able to point you to a dealer somewhat
close to you.

They can be a little scary in traffic at first.  Getting them rolling
from a stop takes some experience, particularly if you're distracted
(read "IN TRAFFIC").  I did a 30 mile trip on Sunday, NO PAIN.  I did
the same trip a couple of weeks before that, on my regular bike, and I
was hurting somewhat.  Thought my butt was going to fall off.  Had to
keep getting off the bike to work out a cramp in my glutes/hamstring area.

Hill climbing on them is more problematic, as you're using a different
set of muscles, so I'm told.  I have a hard time believing that, but I
am sore in some new places after test riding this thing.

Joe Bob says check it out.
JRE - 13 Jun 2007 03:30 GMT
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> Just logged 26.7mpg on my wagon.  And that was keeping it under 70.
>
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>
> So, as my mileage goes down, my mpg will go up.

Nah, you'll use water.  In the summer, I used to use about 40-60mpg.
Tastes much better than gasoline, though.

JRE
doofy - 13 Jun 2007 03:32 GMT
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>
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>
> JRE

More expensive too.  Unless you use free-range water.
Gary Heston - 12 Jun 2007 00:28 GMT
>I did a little experiment the last few days since I was doing a lot of
>highway driving. Tried to keep the speed at 65 or below, and focussed on
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>being more typical highway mileage. It took some concentration but I didn't
>really have to go much slower overall than I normally drive.

If you have cruise control, use it on the highway.

I did a test about a week ago with a Mercury; mileage at 70 was 23,
at 65 it was 27, and at 60 it was 30. This was on flat Interstate
using cruise control; the car is a Grand Marquis with a 4.6L V8. I
suspect you'll find similar differences in your 740, particularly if
you stay out of the boost while accelerating.

Gary

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James Sweet - 12 Jun 2007 03:48 GMT
> If you have cruise control, use it on the highway.
>
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> suspect you'll find similar differences in your 740, particularly if
> you stay out of the boost while accelerating.

I have cruise control, but my experiment proved I can do substantially
better manually. With the cruise control engaged, whenever the highway goes
uphill the boost pegs. Driving manually I can be much more gentle on the
throttle and as I found, that's worth several mpg.
vinran1@bellsouth.net - 12 Dec 2007 00:23 GMT
I have tried that in my  89' 780 also, but probably didn't do it long
enough to see a difference. I was just low on gas that day...

It seems like they had a "fuel economy" gauge in GM cars, maybe
Oldsmobile in the late  70's that was basically a vacuum gauge.

You kept the accelation below the yellow and red areas for better fuel
economy as I remember.

Come to think of it, isn't the boost gauge just a form of vacuum gauge
also?

>I did a little experiment the last few days since I was doing a lot of
>highway driving. Tried to keep the speed at 65 or below, and focussed on
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>being more typical highway mileage. It took some concentration but I didn't
>really have to go much slower overall than I normally drive.
James Sweet - 12 Dec 2007 01:30 GMT
> I have tried that in my  89' 780 also, but probably didn't do it long
> enough to see a difference. I was just low on gas that day...
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> Come to think of it, isn't the boost gauge just a form of vacuum gauge
> also?

That's exactly what it is, except it's a compound gauge that also can
measure positive pressure.

Volvo offered a fuel economy gauge for the 200 series, it's just a vacuum
gauge, several other cars had them available as well as aftermarket units.
John Robertson - 07 Jan 2008 10:35 GMT
31 MPG is what I get most times but as thats imperial gallons it means you
did very well for american gallons which is much smaller .I enjoyed saying
that ;)
> I have tried that in my  89' 780 also, but probably didn't do it long
> enough to see a difference. I was just low on gas that day...
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>>didn't
>>really have to go much slower overall than I normally drive.
Marvin - 07 Jan 2008 17:29 GMT
> 31 MPG is what I get most times but as thats imperial gallons it means you
> did very well for american gallons which is much smaller .I enjoyed saying
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>>> didn't
>>> really have to go much slower overall than I normally drive.

I drive from New York City ot Philadelphia on the Jersey
Turnpike every few months.  One time last year, I was in nor
rush so I decided to drive a little slower than I usually
did.  It turned out to be more difficult than when I did my
usual- just kept up with the flow of traffic.  I was
constantly dodging cars that bore down on me from behind.
And I wasn't in the passing lane.  I really dislike tailgaters.
 
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