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Car Forum / Volvo Cars / October 2007

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95 or 98 RON fuel ?

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Lorenzo Sandini - 02 Oct 2007 12:32 GMT
Pardon my complete ignorance but reading the manual of my V70 ym2005 it
appears that 98 octane fuel can be used in the 2.5T engine without any
special modification. On my old Opel, there was a little switch
somewhere in the engine that needed to be in the correct position for
the selected fuel.

What is the advantage of higher octane ? I am using standard lead-free
95-octane and my local Shell shop encourages me to switch to their Shell
V-power. Snake oil ?

Lorenzo
Roadie - 02 Oct 2007 12:38 GMT
On Oct 2, 7:32 am, Lorenzo Sandini <lorenzo.sand...@POISTA.uku.fi>
wrote:
> Pardon my complete ignorance but reading the manual of my V70 ym2005 it
> appears that 98 octane fuel can be used in the 2.5T engine without any
> special modification. On my old Opel, there was a little switch
> somewhere in the engine that needed to be in the correct position for
> the selected fuel.

Does the manual say that either 95 or 98 fuel can be used for the long
term?  Or does it say that 95 fuel can be used in an emergency.

> What is the advantage of higher octane ? I am using standard lead-free
> 95-octane and my local Shell shop encourages me to switch to their Shell
> V-power. Snake oil ?
>
> Lorenzo
c.fiedler@sbcglobal.net - 02 Oct 2007 12:55 GMT
In the November, 1992 issue there was an article titled On Tue, 02 Oct
2007 14:32:12 +0300, Lorenzo Sandini <lorenzo.sandini@POISTA.uku.fi>
wrote:

>Pardon my complete ignorance but reading the manual of my V70 ym2005 it
>appears that 98 octane fuel can be used in the 2.5T engine without any
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>95-octane and my local Shell shop encourages me to switch to their Shell
>V-power. Snake oil ?

Lorenzo, the advantage of higher octane in modern computer-controlled
engines is that one thing goes faster -- the flow of money from your
wallet.
Henry - 02 Oct 2007 15:41 GMT
> Lorenzo, the advantage of higher octane in modern computer-controlled
> engines is that one thing goes faster -- the flow of money from your
> wallet.

We talked about this here not so very long ago. When the price of an
average fill-up (say, 50 litres) costs 63.50 euros with 95 and 65.00
euros with 98, it's kind of silly to to worry about saving a few cents.

cheers,

Henry
James Sweet - 02 Oct 2007 17:22 GMT
> Pardon my complete ignorance but reading the manual of my V70 ym2005 it
> appears that 98 octane fuel can be used in the 2.5T engine without any
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Lorenzo

The ECU should allow a bit more boost and more advanced timing with higher
octane fuel if it's designed to take advantage of that, so you'll get more
power. Whether it's enough to be noticeable I'm not sure. The engine has a
knock sensor so low octane fuel will retard the ignition timing and reduce
the boost pressure.
BJ - 13 Oct 2007 16:07 GMT
KLIP

>> What is the advantage of higher octane ? I am using standard lead-free
>> 95-octane and my local Shell shop encourages me to switch to their Shell
>> V-power. Snake oil ?

> The ECU should allow a bit more boost and more advanced timing with higher
> octane fuel if it's designed to take advantage of that, so you'll get more
> power. Whether it's enough to be noticeable I'm not sure. The engine has a
> knock sensor so low octane fuel will retard the ignition timing and reduce
> the boost pressure.

You are absolutely right.

I can feel the difference between 95 RON and 100 RON on my Volvo driving on
german roads (Autobahn with no speed limit).

There is much more power and top speed in the engine.

Regards
Bjørn J. (Volvo S80 T6 in BSR trim with app. 330 Hk).
TimR - 02 Oct 2007 21:28 GMT
This may be of interest (hope the link works for you all):

http://www.whatcar.co.uk/news-special-report.aspx?NA=228253

Tim

> Pardon my complete ignorance but reading the manual of my V70 ym2005 it
> appears that 98 octane fuel can be used in the 2.5T engine without any
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Lorenzo
Lorenzo Sandini - 03 Oct 2007 15:25 GMT
> This may be of interest (hope the link works for you all):
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>>
>> Lorenzo

Thank you everyone for your answers, it's 95E for me, until I win at the
lottery  :)

Lorenzo
Roland Messerschmidt - 03 Oct 2007 21:56 GMT
Hi Lorenzo,

Lorenzo Sandini schrieb:

> Thank you everyone for your answers, it's 95E for me, until I win
> at the lottery  :)

For the same reson we use simple 91 octane for our Volvos in the
family - '95 850, '96 460 and '99 V40. Even in my 160 hp turbo I don't
feel any difference to higher grades. But yes, I know, in Finland the
lowest grade is the 95 octane (being there in summer... ;-) ).

Roland
(Austria)
John Robertson - 13 Oct 2007 08:41 GMT
When you turn up the wick on the turbo you will find the higher octane will
stop the motor from pinging giving power with out ruining the motor./
> Hi Lorenzo,
>
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> Roland
> (Austria)
John Robertson - 25 Oct 2007 13:02 GMT
V POWER HAS ETHANOL IN IT AND COSTS MORE 95 IS FINE
> Pardon my complete ignorance but reading the manual of my V70 ym2005 it
> appears that 98 octane fuel can be used in the 2.5T engine without any
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Lorenzo

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